<{^_^}>
nix#4469 (by dhess, 2 days ago, open): etag assertions
<rmcgibbo[m]>
:sheepish-grin: thanks
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<colemickens>
oof ungoogled-chromium can't install extensions frm the web store?
<samueldr>
that would mean engaging with google
<samueldr>
it doesn't fit their dogma
<samueldr>
google = bad
<samueldr>
I'm surprised they didn't outright blanket ban resolving google dns
<abathur>
lol
<supersandro2000>
that would be kinda stupid to do
<colemickens>
meh, the first attempt at installing the workaround extension didnt work either. That's enough chromium for me then, just take that back on out
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* cole-h
shakes head at worldofpeace who forgot to /me
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<worldofpeace>
worldofpeace never /me because it's not vibe enough
* worldofpeace
disagrees with this vibe for themselves
* cole-h
nods
<worldofpeace>
it also seems according to the irc logs that my vibe doesn't pass the bridge
<cole-h>
More likely it gets stripped
<worldofpeace>
kinda disturbing tbh. this is not a safe place for the vibe
<cole-h>
I saw the italicized text, FWIW :)
<worldofpeace>
vibe stripping should be illegal
<worldofpeace>
hmm, then I guess it's just the logs then
* cole-h
shakes fist at irclogger
<siraben>
cole-h: I use ungoogled-chromium with extensions
<cole-h>
colemickens: ^
<cole-h>
;P
<siraben>
How did installing the workaround extension not work?
<colemickens>
probably wayland, Chromium was acting weird when I was trying to drop the crx on it.
<siraben>
I'm also using wayland, heh
<colemickens>
I hate when d-n-d is the only way to do things. I was hoping for a chromium --install-extension, but I don't have manpages and just lost interest
<energizer>
can i do chromium settings sync using rsync or whatever and expect it to work?
<samueldr>
colemickens: the chrom* manpages don't even start scratching the top of the amount of flags available
<energizer>
chrome://sync-internals/
<siraben>
I wish Roombas had some notification or something when it finishes cleaning a room, I usually close the door when it cleans and it tries in vain to get out
<energizer>
wonder what --enable-local-sync-backend and --local-sync-backend-dir do
<mjlbach>
siraben: my xiaomi did while I had it
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<samueldr>
I'm uh... not liking what I see here
<samueldr>
strace
<samueldr>
faccessat(AT_FDCWD, "/nix/store/5b1flbjkw7smgrvvd45fsx82v7dh0bh8-alsa-lib-1.2.4/share/alsa/ucm2/rk3399-gru-soun/rk3399-gru-sound.conf", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
<samueldr>
faccessat(AT_FDCWD, "/nix/store/5b1flbjkw7smgrvvd45fsx82v7dh0bh8-alsa-lib-1.2.4/share/alsa/ucm2/rk3399-gru-soun/rk3399-gru-soun.conf", R_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
<samueldr>
alsaucm -c "rk3399-gru-sound" [...]
<samueldr>
looks like they have an off-by-one somewhere
<siraben>
mjlbach: oh interesting
<cole-h>
samueldr: nice...
<samueldr>
I'm also highly confused by the cargo culted environment variable used with that tool
<samueldr>
which is not even referenced in the actual source code
<samueldr>
(no idea if it is relevant, just dumbfounded by the function name)
<cole-h>
Maybe named after the number of parameters it takes as input?
<samueldr>
maybe, but get_string is not really telling me anything
<samueldr>
local to the file
<samueldr>
no doc
<cole-h>
.
<samueldr>
though the refs to the environment variable ended up being found
<samueldr>
weird, I thoughg strace printed that, but it seems it doesn't
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<samueldr>
ugh, too much for tonight, but really something is *off*
<siraben>
`data Free f a = Free :: f (Free f a) -> Free f a; Return :: a -> Free f a`
<siraben>
ooh so Element can infer the language
<siraben>
for syntax highlighting
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<ashkitten>
is it rude to pm someone on irc about a thing you're not sure they're involved with anymore?
<cole-h>
IMO no.
<Church->
Nope
<Church->
Worst you get is a fuck off
<Church->
Oops
<Church->
Fsck off
<Church->
Apologies
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<ashkitten>
can you /q someone who is not in any channel with you?
<ashkitten>
/query, that is
<Church->
Yep
<ashkitten>
sometimes in irc it's unclear whether you're just sending messages into the void
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<samueldr>
the server should send an error if you're messaging a nick that doesn't exist
<samueldr>
[01:59:18] * fdshufsdhfishfsd: No such nick/channel
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<V>
ashkitten: I get PMs from randos from time to time
<siraben>
V: what kinds of things do they say?
<V>
siraben: I had someone from fsf/gnu message me in very broken english asking if they could be my friend
<V>
I asked why and they just said that they wanted me to give them my nick if I ever dropped it
<V>
10/10 for honesty but wtf
<siraben>
V: how did you know they're from fsf/gnu
<siraben>
lol
<V>
because that was in their cloak
<siraben>
ah
<V>
I should clarify: they were from the fsf/gnu channel, not necessarily associated with the project
<siraben>
I wonder where all the [A-Z] people are on freenode
<V>
in the staff channels, mostly
<siraben>
were you just an early arrival to freenode to snag V?
<V>
you only need to check my nickserv metadata to know that's not the case
<eyJhb>
V: isn't it like a couple of months ago you got it?
<V>
I'm not sure in which timekeeping system 7 months is just 2, but sure
<V>
again, that only requires checking nickserv metadata to verify
<eyJhb>
In the one where whois does not report it, so I just went from memory :p
<eyJhb>
I remember you had another nick to start out with, and then suddenly you were V, and I got confused
<V>
that's because whois is not nickserv
<V>
what?
<V>
you're mixing me up with another person
<V>
/ns info V
<eyJhb>
Who. The. Fuck. Was. It. Then... FFS. Anyways got to restart, fucking monitor just goes bunkers. Sorry V
<V>
eyJhb: no idea. I know you were surprised at my sudden and mysterious arrival here, maybe you're combining that with another person having changed their nick?
<V>
I can say for certain that I've only ever been in NixOS-related places using this one
<eyJhb>
Might be yeah. I am just very sure, someone said they were you. But eh... Doesn't matter
<eyJhb>
But then you got the last Nick. Might just be some staff that got removed :p
<eyJhb>
It must be hell to have the nick I or A
<pie_>
do a whois first <ashkitten> sometimes in irc it's unclear whether you're just sending messages into the void
<pie_>
but also what sam said
<joepie91>
<V> I'm not sure in which timekeeping system 7 months is just 2, but sure
<joepie91>
that would be Pandemic Time
<V>
:D
<V>
I am genuinely not surprised at getting a real answer to that in here
<V>
Or, wait
<V>
I am not awake
<joepie91>
you type very well for someone who's asleep
<V>
Ugh
<joepie91>
:P
<V>
Well, just because that part of my brain is functioning doesn't mean the part that does comprehension is
<eyJhb>
V: Oh, I could also have answered that as well. That is also called exam time
<V>
Thankfully not something I've had to experience in years :)
<eyJhb>
Rude, I still have 1.5 years left of it...
<eyJhb>
BUt then I have my masters
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<ashkitten>
tfw you're having a problem but it's solved (probably!) by a commit since you last pulled nixpkgs
<ashkitten>
where's jonringer i need to give karma
<eyJhb>
^ First world Nix problems :D
<ashkitten>
now i just need to rebuild 1091 packages
<eyJhb>
Turn off your radiator while doing it in this cold weather ;) :p
<ashkitten>
for sure
<ashkitten>
i was confused why openxr was not working with steam games inside of pressure-vessel, or apps outside of steam
<ashkitten>
then i had a hunch that it was the same cause for both
<ashkitten>
and i believe i'm correct, because there was a change only 8 days ago to share pid namespaces for steam's bwrap
<ashkitten>
i'm extra certain because of the messages vrcompositor was giving, about semaphores and shared memory handles
<ashkitten>
so hopefully(tm) after this openxr should work with steamvr on nixos
<ashkitten>
with the exception that the openxr runtime library is missing some dependencies so those need to be in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH of an openxr client
<ashkitten>
perhaps we could add those to the openxr loader itself, unless it's feasible to patch the library... will have to do some looking
<ashkitten>
adding extra deps to the openxr loader to support a specific runtime feels wrong
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<adisbladis>
ashkitten: You can use patchelf for that
<adisbladis>
At least to avoid LD_LIBRARY_PATH
<eyJhb>
*sigh* DigitalOcean really does not work well...
<eyJhb>
Waiting for my API key to be deleted, we are on the second minute now
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: Tbh DO isn't worth it
<adisbladis>
If you're in Europe Hetzner is _really_ hard to beat
<adisbladis>
Less polished UI, but a much better service
<joepie91>
spotty customer service though
<joepie91>
but then I'm not sure DO is much better there
* joepie91
still prefers hosting with smaller shops
<adisbladis>
joepie91: Exactly
<adisbladis>
joepie91: Like?
<eyJhb>
Does hetzner provide by the hour as well?
<joepie91>
adisbladis: afterburst, ram host come to mind
<joepie91>
though those are not as dirt-cheap as Hetzner
<joepie91>
but then basically nothing is :P
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: I think their VPSes are billed by the hour by default
<adisbladis>
Actually I wast just about to cancel one I used for some temp stuff
<eyJhb>
Fuck Hetzner VPS are cheap by the hour
<adisbladis>
Lemme check
<joepie91>
adisbladis: ramnode also provides a pretty good service, but they are more cookie-cutter with standard plans and everything
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: Seems like it :D
<joepie91>
nice thing about providers like ram host and afterburst is that if you need something weird, you just ask them, and they can probably make it happen for a reasonable price
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: Yep, I was only billed for the 7 days the machine was up
<adisbladis>
joepie91: I'll check them out :)
<eyJhb>
...... I guess it is time to add ANOTHER provider now...
<joepie91>
adisbladis: anyway there a bunch more of these smaller reputable providers, like Inception Hosting, SecureDragon, BuyVM etc.
<eyJhb>
I can get 3 vCPU + 4 GB ram for LESS than DO, and that machine is slower
<joepie91>
but RAM Host / Afterburst / RamNode is where most of my critical stuff runs
<joepie91>
BuyVM is interesting especially if you need a lot of storage for cheap
<joepie91>
$5/TB/mo
<eyJhb>
^ I use BuyVM for my personal VPS
<eyJhb>
Seems like it should be fairly simple to add Hetzner as a provider.
<philipp[m]>
Hahaha! Scott Manley: "You guys are getting way to excited about the eccentric billionaire that now owns two offshore bases named fear and dread".
<__monty__>
joepie91: Looks like BuyVM is only cheaper than hetzner if you want less than 64 TB of storage, past that Hetzner is a lot cheaper, 80 + 80/month compared to 64 * 5/mo + 2/mo = 322/mo (with the cheapest "KVM slice", so less performant than the hetzner offering too).
<__monty__>
You can get ~224 TB for that price at hetzner (modulo the one-time fee).
<__monty__>
Maybe BuyVM has built-in redundancy?
<__monty__>
I have yet to see anything cheaper than Backblaze if it's backup storage though. 6/mo for unlimited data (not sure how unlimited this is but I'm assuming it's at least 100 TB).
<joepie91>
__monty__: what are you comparing to?
<joepie91>
and yes, BuyVM has RAID
<__monty__>
Hetzner's SX3 line. Cheapest and most expensive respectively.
<__monty__>
With hetzner you're responsible for your own software RAID.
<__monty__>
But it still works out cheaper than BuyVM.
<__monty__>
It *is* a high threshold though.
<__monty__>
If you only need a couple TB's of storage.
<__monty__>
I'm really looking at this from an "I want to back up all my data forever" perspective though.
<adisbladis>
__monty__: I take ZFS snapshots on Hetzner and ship them to B2
<adisbladis>
B2 is not as cheap as their regular backup thing
<adisbladis>
But officially has an s3 interface
<__monty__>
adisbladis: Backblaze's cloud storage? My brief napkin math put that at roughly the same price as BuyVM but with additional costs if you want to download anything.
<adisbladis>
__monty__: Yes
<adisbladis>
Exactly
<__monty__>
You don't trust hetzner for reliable storage? Or you just don't want to deal with not having the S3 API?
<adisbladis>
The latter
<adisbladis>
Also it's nice to have your backups on another provider
<adisbladis>
You never know
<__monty__>
Ah, yeah, that probably automatically puts you into a different pricing category anyway.
<adisbladis>
What if they cancel your accounts for some arbitrary reason
<__monty__>
My only issue with backblaze is it's an american business. So I'd be putting my important data into the hands of the US government.
<__monty__>
The pricing is tempting though.
<LinuxHackerman>
Encrypt it.
<LinuxHackerman>
You should do that anyway.
<adisbladis>
__monty__: I don't see many alternatives (also it's encrypted)
<__monty__>
adisbladis: Price-wise I haven't seen any.
<__monty__>
Yes, you can encrypt anything, that's a given.
<__monty__>
But they could still decide they don't want to do business with you.
<__monty__>
I know it's unlikely. I'd still be happier with a european business.
<adisbladis>
I don't really care about this
<adisbladis>
And I prefer my backups to be in a completely different legal jurisdiction
<__monty__>
US jurisdiction rarely works out in your favor though. Unless the other one's Russia or China.
<__monty__>
But the more power to you if it's a non-issue.
<adisbladis>
Payment from the UK for the backup in US
<adisbladis>
Payment from Hong Kong for the hosting
<adisbladis>
Apart from network traffic they look like completely different entities
<__monty__>
Do you have experience with Backblaze's personal backup service? No hidden costs?
<{^_^}>
Starship SN9 Test Flight, window opens in around 4 hours, and ends in ~8, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPRfJxz-ECE: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred]
<gchristensen>
neat
<eyJhb>
Where is the T-?
<infinisil>
Oh boy
<eyJhb>
Running generate in node-packages is ALWAYS fun.
<eyJhb>
Not like it takes ages.
<infinisil>
The weather doesn't look that great :/
<gchristensen>
nice
<gchristensen>
oops
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<philipp[m]>
It's T-Too early to tell
<eyJhb>
And I am still running generate on npm :D :D :D
<eyJhb>
I should have offloaded this to a server with 10 Gbit/s. Not sure if there is a ratelimit however...
<gchristensen>
tbh the generator should just be smarter, breaking the work in to smaller pieces in a resumable fashion
<philipp[m]>
Yes, but they are only launching the spaceship and you are building a piece of software that should have low to medium complexity.
<eyJhb>
Or only target a specific package, when you want to test something
<eyJhb>
! It is the same complexity!
<eyJhb>
\s
<eyJhb>
Also, I seem to remember that SpaceX uses JS for their stuff
<philipp[m]>
Did some of their engineers complain that npm should be launched into the sun and someone in management took it literally?
<eyJhb>
I really want to set that as a life goal... Just.. Take all of NPM and let the sun burn it up
<eyJhb>
You can also do it on a budget with a magnifying glass
<gchristensen>
the cheapest way to do it is to just wait
<eyJhb>
Wait a loooong time
<philipp[m]>
I propose a compromise between temperature and waiting time: Let's throw it in the next supervulcano.
<gchristensen>
"why has my nix-daemon been completely unable to build on my build farm??" "oh right I prohibited it from talking to local IPs" d'oh
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<abathur>
Looney is an unfortunate last name
<cransom>
i went to school with someone who had a last name of 'schmuck'.
<LinuxHackerman>
That's German for "jewellery"
<makefu>
it can even be used as a verb as in "Sieht schmuck aus" -> "Looks very nice". even though nobody really says this anymore
<cransom>
bit of a different meaning in yiddish.
<philipp[m]>
Apparently police are closing areas in boca chica, so it's looking good for vroom||boom today.
<eyJhb>
Troll him how? :D JUst trying to wake him up a little :p
<eyJhb>
Pretty nice exploit
<eyJhb>
I should really find a better way of doing notifications.... If someone pastes a LONG piece of text into Matrix ,my entire screen will be a blue box of text
<eyJhb>
And I have to wait for 2-3 sec before it disappears
<abathur>
ok, phew, will hopefully be an easier resolution than the last one
<abathur>
I spent ~3 weeks around christmas with a borked global code search that was working fine for others :/
<eyJhb>
After such thigs one gets trust issues.
<eyJhb>
`This should work, but... Does it? Is it just me?`
<V>
I pity for people who still trust GitHub :p
<eyJhb>
V: Is it really so much trust, as it is just a easy tool?
<joepie91>
eyJhb: aside from the irritating language bashing and fluff, that's a rather... misleading post
<eyJhb>
Also, I don't even trust myself V , I just found out I wrote `DynamicBool` besides `DynamicBuild`...
<joepie91>
eyJhb: yes, templaters can accept additional options through the parameters passed to a res.render call, and that *could* probably be a somewhat better API, but also their code is basically passing untrusted input as-is into something that is not designed for untrusted input?
<eyJhb>
joepie91: Enlighten me! If you want to :) It was just a post from a team member currently doing a CTF
<joepie91>
like, the key thing that makes the 'exploit' work is the res.render('index', profile) -- that is not how you would normally use res.render
<eyJhb>
But how many do you think do this?
<joepie91>
rather, you would do something like res.render('index', { profile: profile }), which does not have this problem
<joepie91>
eyJhb: I've never seen anyone do it before this post
<eyJhb>
Also pointed out at the end of the post
<joepie91>
it's standard practice - even among those who don't read documentation very carefully - to pass an object literal into the 'locals' parameter instead of some user object
<eyJhb>
Is it possible to do a regex search over all Github code? Would be nice to see if anyone actually does this
<gchristensen>
sourcegraph
<joepie91>
eyJhb: I don't know what the prototype pollution thing is about, that's not how it works, you would need to be able to control the __proto__ property in the parent object which is not the case in { profile }
<joepie91>
eyJhb: honestly this article looks like someone half understands how it works and was looking for an excuse to shit on JS
<joepie91>
rather than doing a honest write-up with accurate risk assessment
<joepie91>
prototype pollution really only occurs in object-merging cases anyway
<joepie91>
which this is not one of
<joepie91>
and if they believe that this is vulnerable to prototype pollution anyway, I would at least expect a proof-of-concept, not a footnote that doesn't make sense...
* joepie91
mumbles PoC||GTFO
<joepie91>
yeah the more I look at this, the more bullshit it is :)
<eyJhb>
Go get him joepie91 ! https://twitter.com/0xCaptainFreak/status/1352998694682054656 but thanks for the IRC writeup ;) See your point, but yeah, it is basically just "Ohh let me take a user input and just throw at this function", which will fuck many things up if not done correctly
<joepie91>
eyJhb: I have extremely low expectations of them rectifying this, unfortunately
<joepie91>
given the attitude in the post
<joepie91>
eyJhb: I can't even reply, they've turned off public replies, so 🤷♂️
<joepie91>
like, if you know them, feel free to pass on my comments, but I'm honestly not going to spend more time on this :)
<eyJhb>
No of course not, I do not expect you to! I am not sure if any of the team members know them personally, I will try to ask
<joepie91>
eyJhb: as a future heuristic, any article about JS that starts off by dedicating a paragraph or more to how awful everything is with vague superficial complaints, is probably not worth taking seriously :P
<joepie91>
seen it a million times before, basically always ends up being a case of "ungenerously interpreting whatever they see so they can complain"
<joepie91>
the genuine articles are typically written from a perspective of "let's get this fixed!", and not "haha look at how awful it is!"
<eyJhb>
:p Well I knew that you wouldn't like the bashing! But I was a little curious if you have seen people do such stupid shit when you review code
<joepie91>
eyJhb: this specific case, no, basically never
<joepie91>
people do plenty of stupid things, just not this one :)
<eyJhb>
LinuxHackerman: Looks like a nice easy way to write plugins.. :(
<__monty__>
eyJhb: It doesn't cover all of github. And I really wish it had filtering by org/repo or even language at least. But it does grep a lot of code on github.
<LinuxHackerman>
eyJhb: you have no idea how long I fought all those parentheses.
<eyJhb>
__monty__: But quite a clean UI, might come later?
<eyJhb>
LinuxHackerman: You had the chance just to be a guru at this! :p
<eyJhb>
But that is also my main fear with Emacs/LISP
<LinuxHackerman>
eyJhb: I was very satisfied with the results though, and I much prefer this to the idea of having to write it for vim
<adisbladis>
vimscript is... ehh...
<adisbladis>
Not very competent
<LinuxHackerman>
(I used vim/neovim for a couple of years but have now mostly switched to emacs)
<eyJhb>
Don't you dare say it!
<eyJhb>
I just spent yesterday writing a very simple plugin in Vim. ANd it almost works!
<LinuxHackerman>
Oh yeah no VimL is an awful language
<eyJhb>
The bindings into Python still sucks
<eyJhb>
But is better
<__monty__>
What sort of monster would give gchristensen jq composition superpowers?
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: Come to the dark side (emacs)
<eyJhb>
But no one in #vim can help with anything
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: I tried! But where was my help in #nixos-emacs ?! :p
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: I haven't paid attention!
<adisbladis>
I've been busy looking at pyramids and other stuff
<eyJhb>
... Still jelly
<adisbladis>
^_^
<colemickens>
you ever just write a discourse post for 45 minutes and then delete it?
<colemickens>
oh well, I'll just cross my fingers and hope GH does disappear more of our project data.
<eyJhb>
But I tried to setup Emacs yesterday, but I am unsure how it works in NixOS :p
<colemickens>
oops, freudian slip
<bbigras>
I like the emacs-init module for home-manager.
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<adisbladis>
genevino: :/
<adisbladis>
I would like a rendering with a black background
<genevino>
adisbladis: ok found the origin, that one was made by user gkaply532 on the nixos dicord and was posted to "offtopic" first with the description ": I made a low effort glowing nix wallpaper on windows using blender, I wanted to share it"
<adisbladis>
Too bad it's on discord
<adisbladis>
I refuse to use that
<genevino>
adisbladis: i can ask if the person uses IRC :)
<colemickens>
I'm getting "The site at https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/ has experienced a network protocol violation that cannot be repaired." lately, so that's fun.
<genevino>
adisbladis: appearently one person reports their IPS panel produces weird artifacts when displaying the black one.
<genevino>
adisbladis: i can't say so, looks fine on my monitors (but they're not IPS)
<genevino>
adisbladis: just as a warning. :D
<adisbladis>
genevino: Looks fine on my IPS monitor
<genevino>
adisbladis: cool :)
<colemickens>
gnupg 2.2.27 supposedly fixed the need for calling --card-status, but that doesn't actually seem to be true for me. some others here reported seeing the issue, is it fixed for y'all?
<adisbladis>
colemickens: Same
<adisbladis>
(you're not going insane)
<colemickens>
:)
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<colemickens>
betawaffle: I looked at mauncher today, it doesn't build easily -_-
<betawaffle>
lame
<colemickens>
actually, my bad, looks like it just has a couple loud warnings that could maybe be patched
<colemickens>
or ignored
<__monty__>
Ah, too bad. Looks like SN-9 test flight was scrubbed.
<infinisil>
Weather was terrible anyways, I don't want it to launch when we can't even see properly ;)
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<ldlework>
gchristensen: hours later, just notice, touchpad is working fine again
<ldlework>
no reboot
<ldlework>
strange
<gchristensen>
huh
<ashkitten>
i wonder if i could somehow make a shim vrclient library that redirects calls to the real vrclient but includes libSDL2 and libGL in its RPATH
<ashkitten>
is that a shitty idea
<ashkitten>
probably
<ashkitten>
oh wait i remember what i was gonna do with adding to the rpath of libopenxr_loader
<ashkitten>
hm
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<gchristensen>
I'd assume bigger numbers means bigger price means better
<cole-h>
gchristensen: Maybe interested in https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/comments/dhvrdm/ssd_guides_resources/ -- the flowchart lists the QVO as a Storage SATA SSD: "Storage SATA SSDs are suitable for general data storage or games. Generally larger in capacity and not the primary drive."
<cole-h>
While the 860 EVO is listed as a Performance SATA: "Performance SATA SSDs are the best SATA drives on the market, suitable for anything"
<leons>
gchristensen: The 870 QVO uses QLC Flash, so 4 bits per cell, which the EVO does not
<gchristensen>
ah right on
<gchristensen>
thanks for the quick summary!
<leons>
I'd guess that makes the QVO less durable, but certainly no expert
<elvishjerricco>
Yea the evo uses 3 bit MLC which is better but more expensive IIUC
<ashkitten>
is there anything besides xrgears i can use to mess around with openxr?
<leons>
Also it seems the QVO have 3 vs 5 years warranty for the EVO, so I suppose Samsung has calculated the additional wear due to QLC there :)
<samueldr>
gchristensen: you're asking the same questions I did a few months back!
<samueldr>
same models even
<samueldr>
and yeah, it was all about QLC and MLC kind of thing
<samueldr>
and 870 vs. 860 was simply because they had a new model for QVO, but not yet for EVO
<samueldr>
though my _actual_ question at the time was "is the price difference worth it or not?"
<samueldr>
which I never really had an actual answer
<samueldr>
but the 2 additional years of warranty kind of help
<samueldr>
if it ends up like it did for me, procrastinate getting them, it'll be cheaper in a couple days ;)
<gchristensen>
hehe
<samueldr>
though really, check on pcpartpicker the pricing history to know how expensive compared to the usual it is
<gchristensen>
I think I'm going to just go ahead and get them. I'm going to get 2x to more closely replicate the storage hydra has (2x nvme drives iirc in a mirror ... but I don't have 2 nvme slots...) so I'm not suffering through migration performance on raid5 5400rpm drives
<samueldr>
maybe get one of those PCIe cards with NVMe?
<gchristensen>
I'd have to go look but I'm not sure I can ... *looks*
<gchristensen>
oh I think it can!
<adisbladis>
gchristensen: There are very simple ones that expose only a single nvme slot
<adisbladis>
They're pretty cheap
<adisbladis>
But there are also bifurcated ones with multiple slots
<samueldr>
I assume the main issue was about having a PCIe slot empty
<colemickens>
thanks for sharing it here :) I'm very interested
<cole-h>
Same. Been waiting since they announced a v2 was in the works
<cole-h>
esp. since I don't yet have a hardware token
<jtojnar>
rmcgibbo: I have been looking into the infinite recursion but no luck so far
<rmcgibbo[m]>
Jan Tojnar: Hi! Okay, cool. I'm still trying to address some of your other (very good!) comments, like adding the names of duplicates in duplicate-check-inputs.