gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<veleiro> hello
<drakonis> hi
* colemickens waves
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<colemickens> something is setting SSH_AUTH_SOCK on login via ssh and I cant' tell what. it's overriding what should be set by ssh -A.
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<cole-h> gpg-agent?
<colemickens> but that doesn't magically change env vars on login
<colemickens> but it is being set to a gnu socket
<colemickens> which is also weird because it winds up being the wrong path anyway (~/.gnupg instead of /run/user....`
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<lovesegfault> Goddamn why is it so hard to encounter a lapras in pokemon sword
<lovesegfault> been here fishing for like an hour
<lovesegfault> What a PITA
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<V> veleiro: even i3 has a script for saving/loading layouts, I don't think you'll have any issues with sway?
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<V> if you want to find out how to do something with sway, you might have better luck searching for "how to do X with i3" because its IPC mechanism is mostly compatible and i3 has far more resources made for it
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* colemickens <3 --option 'narinfo-cache-negative-ttl' '0'
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* colemickens considers putting that in system-wide nix extra options
<bbigras> What does this option do?
<colemickens> nix caches narinfo misses
<colemickens> so if I try to realize a path, THEN push to cachix, then try to realize again, it doesn't look for it in cachix again
<colemickens> but with that option nix will requery for those paths, even if it recently got a 404 for it
<bbigras> oh nice
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<bbigras> ,locate bin tar
<{^_^}> Found in packages: gnutar, toybox, busybox
<lovesegfault> anyone here have a switch an pokemon sword/shield?
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<eyJhb> lovesegfault: Wish I had a Switch :( Really want to buy one-two broken, and fix them up. But they are insanely expensive broken as well
<lovesegfault> eyJhb: Yes, definitely one of my less reasonable quarantine purchases :P
<eyJhb> s/less/more lovesegfault
<philipp[m]> If you ask me: Anything that you can afford and keeps you going is reasonable.
<lovesegfault> philipp[m]: that's a nice way to look at it :)
<lovesegfault> eyJhb: I have really enjoyed pokemon
<lovesegfault> and mario kart 8 is dope too
<lovesegfault> zelda is nice, but I tend to get lost in games without clear quest markers/goals
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<sphalerite> I've been playing with the idea of getting one, but yeah they're not cheap.
<sphalerite> And I'm not sure I can afford it time-wise :p
<lovesegfault> Yeah, I got it much earlier in 2020, played a bit and put it aside
<lovesegfault> Now I have some downtime at work and am using it to past time
<patagonicus> Ugh, JSON not allowing a trailing comma after the last element in an array or object is so annoying.
<lovesegfault> patagonicus: yes, it's beyond stupid
<eyJhb> sphalerite: It is basically the same I am at. It is expensive and it costs "time" :D
<eyJhb> Maybe over the summer
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<philipp[m]> Whoa! AVM is really decent about supporting their older devices. My fritzbox 7490 from 2013 just got a firmware update that enabled WPA3.
<supersandro2000> my old one fried...
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<viric> I use syncthing (port 22000) and nixos linux tells me "refused connection: .... LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=62660 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=22000 DPT=0 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0"
<viric> how is it messing with DPT=0?
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<tilpner> viric: Local source address?
<cole-h> Man, I really hate how, sometimes, the notifications dashboard just autorefreshes
<cole-h> I was about to go on a "mark as done" spree while keeping a few around, but it autorefreshed and now I marked something I didn't want to as "done"
<viric> tilpner: it's ethernet, from the android syncthing to my eth0
<viric> I thought I better don't disclose the MAC addresses :)
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<tilpner> Hmm. I only stumbled over https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing/issues/4278 , but that doesn't quite fit, as I assume you're not trying to change the port
<{^_^}> syncthing/syncthing#4278 (by vision57, 3 years ago, open): Port 0 listen address gets announced to discovery servers
<tilpner> You did openFirewall = true;, right?
<tilpner> Uhh, openDefaultPorts = true
<viric> tilpner: I have firewall.allowedTCPPorts = [ ... 22000 ]
<tilpner> (This is why I'm not in #nixos anymore, too many interesting problems!)
<viric> and openDefaultPorts = true too, yes
<viric> :)
<dadada_> viric: A source port of 0 typically means that an ephemeral port should be used. How 0 ended up at the discovery server is a bit puzzeling though.
<cole-h> viric: Also try adding `networking.firewall.allowedUDPPorts = [ 21027 ];`
<viric> tilpner: nixos already works very well
<viric> dadada_: I know
<cole-h> I have TCP 22000 and UDP 21027 marked for syncthing, FWIW.
<tilpner> That's already covered by the default ports though
<viric> right
<cole-h> o
<tilpner> At least, if we're looking at/using a sufficiently similar nixpkgs
<viric> syncthing connects fine, but I have those lines in dmesg every now and then
<viric> tilpner: if the port 0 is announced.... maybe then the remote side simply attempts to connect to it
<tilpner> Yes, but that would be stupid
<viric> well that's a bug
<tilpner> It does match my link above though
<viric> well I took that from your link
<viric> AH well I'm not specifying port 0 anywhere though
<tilpner> Is #syncthing a thing?
<viric> I asked there before here :)
<viric> #nixos-chat is often most effective
<tilpner> And they didn't know?
<viric> silence
<tilpner> Ahh, typical
<__monty__> viric: Please stop abusing -chat for ontopic questions.
<tilpner> It's not that ontopic, if we assume it's a bug
<viric> :D
<__monty__> Bugs are pretty ontopic in #nixos if you ask me.
<viric> __monty__: was it serious?
<tilpner> Nixpkgs bugs, yes. Syncthings bugs though?
<__monty__> Yep. There's a reason I keep an eye on this channel and not #nixos all the time.
<infinisil> I agree with __monty__
<viric> I don't see any related with nixos or nixpkgs
<viric> (it)
<viric> it was a networking question, which has to do with computers in which one of them runs nixos...
<__monty__> Ontopic until proven innocent.
<viric> ¬_¬
<viric> It's not the 1st time I see that kind of hostility here when judging topic-ness... it's disturbing.
<__monty__> It's not the first time I see people trying to abuse -chat as a way to get faster support either. Which is even more disturbing.
<viric> I came to #nixos-chat because of topic-ness claims on #nixos... I think I do good judgement on what is nixos related and what not. And I was asking about DPT=0 here and syncthing, which I judge has nothing to do with nixos
<__monty__> Ok, you are forgiven.
<infinisil> I don't think #nixos-chat should be used as the fallback for everything that doesn't fit into #nixos
<viric> infinisil: I didn't want either, but I was told to go here if things were not nix* questions
<__monty__> What I saw was a lot of talk about nixos options for something that's not a nixos question though.
<infinisil> There are many other irc channels better fit for getting support
<infinisil> This is like a coffee break room
<viric> ok, so my network question was neither for #nixos and #nixos-chat?
<viric> pf
<infinisil> Where you have random little chats, not getting support for all kinds of things
<__monty__> Still sounds like a #nixos question to me. It's a question about syncthing not working with a nixos host specifically.
<viric> tell me where should I go
<infinisil> #nixos, or if it turns out not to he a nixos problem, to wherever syncthing tells people to get support from
<viric> I'll go silent. I'm annoyed
<viric> this is getting authoritarian
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<infinisil> Or #linux, any channel meant for support that kinda fits
<philipp[m]> Look: A lot of people here devote a lot of free time to this project. So much that burn out is an actual problem. At least let those people have a community here to relax and don't bother them.
<infinisil> viric: Imagine if everybody came here for their random problems
<adisbladis> viric: This is not authoritarian, people are nudging you towards a better solution to your problem.
<adisbladis> No one in a position of power is doing anything here
<adisbladis> philipp[m]++
<{^_^}> philipp[m]'s karma got increased to 1
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<eyJhb> #nixos is also a endless hole of questions. A better documentation would aid greatly in many questions in there ...
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<eyJhb> Also.. MANY Markdown to HTML/whatever converters lack a clear distinction between title headers, e.g. # vs ## vs ###, once you nest too much you cannot really tell anymore.
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<worldofpeace> eyJhb: pandoc?
<LinuxHackerman> eyJhb: probably not much different if you just use <h1> <h2> … in HTML
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<eyJhb> worldofpeace: Only if numering is enabled for each subsection :/
<eyJhb> LinuxHackerman: yeah, that is the exact issue. But I think HTML is much worse, as it is about the same size...
<gchristensen> one thing that I find really upsetting about asciidoc is how all the title prefix characters have no specific meaning, and meaning is added based on the order they're used in the document
<eyJhb> https://i.imgur.com/VaLOt0R.png , the top 3. is main header, wha is ##, dif is ##, ken ### I think. I am at #### at a:
<eyJhb> gchristensen: ==?
<LinuxHackerman> eyJhb: add some stylesheets :)
<eyJhb> Might be a good idea. Atm. I would MUCH rather look at the raw .md, than the rendered version.
<gchristensen> ah not asciidoc, rst
<eyJhb> Does not look nice indeed
<eyJhb> Even as is, I don't really like the Wiki syntax, or the asciidocs of == title ==... And using == feels like I am going against the norm
<gchristensen> itisn't the visual thing I care about, it is that the meaning is ... there is none
<gchristensen> you have to read the document top to bottom to figure out what means what header level
<eyJhb> Agreed, that does not make any sense. Just redaing it is a pain.
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<abathur> communicating hierarchy in an unnested/left-aligned document is a tricky design problem beyond a few levels
<abathur> it gets a little easier if you're willing to split the document up over many ~page-equivalents; note that most print books (and ebooks laid out using the same idioms) work around this problem by using distinct separator pages for the top few levels of the hierarchy--title page for the book/volume, part pages if parts are used, and a distinct chapter-introduction for beginning each chapter
<abathur> I do like being able to nest in the source in RST, though it does have the downside of huge diffs anytime you rework hierarchy
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<abathur> I suspect people would hate it, but I guess you could get similar hierarchical clarity in markdown if you lint/test to ban multi-section documents; require each file to be a single section, use either one global ToC or per-directory ToCs to structure them into the document (synthesize header levels then), require the ToC and directory structures to match
<jtojnar> wow, since when does gcc include OSC-8 links to docs in the error messages?
<__monty__> gchristensen: One advantage of the way reST does it is there's no bikeshedding as to which characters should mean what header level : )
<__monty__> And in markdown it's only obvious intra-document, not necessarily inter-document. Because you can do things like shift the header level.
<__monty__> Within an reST project you get used to the heading levels.
<eyJhb> jtojnar: Isn't that a hint from your IDE?
<jtojnar> no, that is gnome-terminal
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<samueldr> adisbladis: A5 Pro CC is the unisoc one, right?
<adisbladis> Yep :/
<adisbladis> Sadly it is
<adisbladis> I have very little hopes for software freedom on it
<samueldr> AFAIUI, things are kind of less bad with unisoc, as devices somehow can share builds https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Spreadtrum_SC9863A
<samueldr> but yeah
<samueldr> your reseller probably doesn't even deal with hisense directly
<adisbladis> Given that I ordered it on aliexpress that seems unlikely :P
<adisbladis> The reseller probably bought it off taobao
<samueldr> my scenario likely; unlikely to deal with hisense, right?
<adisbladis> Yeah
<adisbladis> Let's see
<adisbladis> I needed a new phone semi-urgently anyway
<philipp[m]> I'm probably the last person to find it but somebody wrote tetris in pure sed: https://github.com/uuner/sedtris
<bbigras> Do many of you people have raspberry Pi 4 running nixos? Is it worth it for a tiny server at home for fun?
<samueldr> it's an YMMV situation with the raspberry pi foundation products
<samueldr> mainly because we try to stick to mainline, by default, so currently there is a specially-built image for the raspberry pi 4 to help users set themselves up from nothing
<samueldr> the only "supported" board with NixOS on ARM (for what it's worth) is the 3B (not 3B+)
<cole-h> gchristensen: Since you're not going to refresh your GPG key, are you just using vault for passwords management?
<gchristensen> dunno :
<gchristensen> :?
<gchristensen> thus far I just put faked-system-time 1609455600 in .gnupg/gpg.conf
<cole-h> hehe
<cole-h> I wonder if age has a pass equivalent yet.
<cole-h> Looks like gopass has age support.
<gchristensen> maybe vault would be fine, actually, using its kv support
<gchristensen> and the tools that integrate with `pass` have sucha trivial integration that making a `pass` shim would be ~trivial
<cole-h> The only downside is that it doesn't look like vault has a way to link otp and kv. I know it has an otp provider, but the "separation" (mounts, I think they're called) makes it a little awkward
<gchristensen> ah
<gchristensen> I don't use pass for otp anyway, I feel pretty strongly that the otp thing should be separate from the password
<cole-h> I see
<cole-h> What do you use, then? Vault, or an app?
<cole-h> I have an app that I try to keep ~in sync with my password store. I just feel better using password store because I can at least back that up easier (`rsync -av ~/.password-store /djsakljdklas`)
<gchristensen> I use authy
<cole-h> Ah, I see.