gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<supersandro2000> if nix-top only worked with docker...
<supersandro2000> more like it wouldn't because it thinks my docker containers are nix-bld users...
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<infinisil> ,locate bin xq
<{^_^}> Found in packages: yq
<infinisil> If you even need to process xml, I can recommend just installing ^ and using `xq .` to convert it to json instead
<infinisil> Then use jq
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<rmcgibbo[m]> you run nix builds inside of docker?
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* colemickens waves
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<siraben> Nix now has 666 forks 😱
<rmcgibbo[m]> siraben: let me fix that...
<siraben> rmcgibbo: nice
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<rmcgibbo[m]> Anyone know if an implementation of this in code? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_testing
<rmcgibbo[m]> typo: *if -> of
<veleiro> why the hell would a services.nginx.virtualHosts.<host>.extraConfig add 2 of the same entry to an nginx file???
<veleiro> okay, spend all day trying to solve this
<veleiro> maybe yesterday too
<veleiro> why would an extraConfig field for a virtualHosts entry just duplicate? i removed the option completely and it finally installs but only because it removed one of the duplicates defined in my config
<veleiro> wtf
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<veleiro> i dont understand at all, dont build commands rebuild everything and not append?
<elvishjerricco> veleiro: That means some other part of your configuration is defining the exact same extraConfig
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<veleiro> that's a good point, its this damn pull request module in progress
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<siraben> rmcgibbo: well there's git-bisect
<siraben> similar flavor (but not sure if it's related) is the shrinking of failing tests by the QuickCheck library
<siraben> to produce a minimal counterexample such that a test fails
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<elvishjerricco> TIL you can't use hibernate if you have any zfs pools imported. Like, at all; you don't have to be trying to put swap on zfs (which you already shouldn't do). You just can't hibernate with a pool imported, or else your pool is likely to be destroyed when you import it.
<elvishjerricco> Apparently does have the necessary suspend hooks, but not the hibernate hooks
<elvishjerricco> I don't really understand how this destroys a pool though; in theory zfs is an atomic fs that never creates an invalid disk state that needs repair.
<elvishjerricco> I guess if there were some in-flight writes, and upon resuming, the uber block is updated under the assumption those writes made it to disk?
<LinuxHackerman> elvishjerricco: I'd guess that it's more related to the in-memory state of zfs. Though my dad used hibernate on his zfs laptop for a while and it never blew up 🤷
<elvishjerricco> LinuxHackerman: I thought the point of hibernate was to serialize all allocated memory. How would zfs memory state get messed up?
<Ke> hackerman sr. never gets caught
<LinuxHackerman> elvishjerricco: potentially in that the filesystem is still doing things while its memory is being persisted, resulting in an inconsistent state between the on-disk pool and the filesystem driver's state.
<LinuxHackerman> That's just speculation though, for competent answers you might have to ask #zfsonlinux :D
<LinuxHackerman> I have had some catastrophic issues with inconsistency between filesystem driver state and on-disk filesystem state before, though that was with windows and ntfs
<LinuxHackerman> (hibernating, then taking the storage device out, playing around with the filesystem on another machine, then reinserting the storage device and restoring the hibernated state is a very bad idea)
<LinuxHackerman> (and I'm sure that applies to linux as well as windows)
<elvishjerricco> Oh wow yea that would be a bad idea lol
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<eyJhb> I have asked this again, but is there any Sonos alternative ? That doesn't cost my first porn
<eyJhb> born* not first porn!! Damn it...
<__monty__> WWFS
<joepie91> eyJhb: I assume you mean the multiroom connected audio thing?
<joepie91> if so, I think https://strobe.audio/ is the main open-source option
<joepie91> there was also another one...
<joepie91> meh, unable to find the other
<LinuxHackerman> snapcast?
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<eyJhb> __monty__: WWFS?
<eyJhb> joepie91: Looked at that, and will look at it further. Sounds promising, but the... information about it is sparse/weirdly provided.
<eyJhb> LinuxHackerman: Haven't found that before, will add it as well
<eyJhb> Also joepie91 , last commit was in 2019 :/
<__monty__> eyJhb: What Would Freud Say
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<philipp[m]1> lol, just wanted to text something to a friend and I noticed that I typed out "Oooooh, I finally understdood, how" and I have no idea any more what I did finally understand.
<philipp[m]1> That message is from today, no less.
<joepie91> LinuxHackerman: nah I recall the other thing having a considerably shinier website
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<eyJhb> philipp[m]1: I have done that before with writing on a blackboard, and then forgetting what I wrote
<eyJhb> And not being able to read whate I wrote. Queue the game of unintended draw and guess
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<Mic92> How can compile tests in rust with a predictable name so I can run them in gdb?
<Mic92> If cargo test --no-run would at least print the binary it compiled...
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<cole-h> mmm, building noto-fonts-emoji from scratch
<cole-h> nice
<veleiro> wow so much work getting nixpkgs on ur own server
<sterni> cole-h: never would have expected a font build system to have a huge python closure
<sterni> cole-h: and every single one of the directly used library has a release every few weeks it's crazy
<cole-h> Right? I was wondering why I was building some python... lol
<cole-h> Though I guess I'm not really shocked, cuz Iosevka has a node build system...
<sterni> cole-h: I remember when I noticed last year that our noto-fonts-emoji was one unicode emoji version behind
<sterni> cole-h: I was like *clueless* next thing I know I maintain over a dozen new python packages :D
<cole-h> hahaha
<sterni> but the bad thing really is how slow the compression step is of the build system
<samueldr> conventional package management doesn't care that much for the build closure for such "leafy" packages as fonts
<samueldr> so font toolchains just go ham with all the dependencies they can
<sterni> yep we could've just downloaded the ttf and be done with it
<sterni> I think we switched back to downloading the built font for one emoji font recently
<samueldr> it's a policy thing we should settle, whether we should prefer prebuilt fonts, or build them, and explore the trade-offs that implies
<samueldr> (this is getting a bit off-topic for here)
<samueldr> but compare this to source packages: as a policy it is preferred to use released source tarballs rather than going with a source control checkout
<sterni> yep I think in that case there was an additional issue which contributed to the decision
<sterni> I think it's a good policy overall and see no reason against it for fonts, really
<samueldr> since fonts are much less of an executable... and official releases are prebuilt artifacts, it kind of makes sense
<samueldr> squarely sitting on the fence!
<sterni> I mean libreoffice and chromium still take much longer
<veleiro> is 644 typical permissions for file creation with normal users
<cole-h> yes
<sterni> it's just really weird when things go wrong
<cole-h> assuming a umask of 0022 (which is the default AFAICT)
<sterni> my nixos-rebuild took half an hour on my notebook because of an emoji font? that's kinda bad
<veleiro> thanks, never really realized i guess
<samueldr> there is an assumption that "it should be cached, so why bother?"
<samueldr> keyword: should :)
<samueldr> and then there's package customization
<samueldr> fonts are hard
* samueldr goes back to writing a cursed binary
<cole-h> veleiro: and then directories are 0755
* colemickens yeets sway off his computer
* colemickens "yeet" sure fell off fast
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<veleiro> why why colemickens ?
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<cole-h> colemickens: What're you switching to?
<cransom> i realized that i'm old enough that when i finally catch wind of things like 'yeet', just by knowing it exists, it's already uncool.
<colemickens> because my **** monitor is flashing multiple times a minute, just shuts off, stops working, yatta yatta. It's been reported on wlroots for ages, it broke sometime around 1.2->1.3 and just never ever has worked right since.
<colemickens> (more rant elided)
<colemickens> I'm going to try out the Plasma wayland PR, and try out the tiling script that was posted on reddit the other day.
<veleiro> some fancy monitor tech like freesync ?
<colemickens> It is a gsync enabled monitor, but I'm not sure that that would affect anything. i915 surely doesn't know anything about it or support it.
<veleiro> hmm, sad
<veleiro> i like sway because its minimal and always seems stable to me, cant imagine going back to the desktopmanager or x11 world
<cole-h> Woot, running the zrepl module now that it's in nixos-unstable-small! Working great so far -- finally happy to have set up local replication to my backup disk
<gchristensen> nice!!
<cole-h> zrepl status is very cool
<gchristensen> heck yea
<infinisil> Want
<gchristensen> the stepping is so good
<cole-h> infinisil++
<{^_^}> infinisil's karma got increased to 413
<cole-h> infinisil: It was very easy thanks to your RFC42 work :)
<infinisil> Hehe, was just wondering what this was for
<infinisil> Although, I'm just seeing that you used type = types.submodule { freeformType = format.type; };
<infinisil> Which is equivalent to just `type = format.type` :)
<infinisil> No need for freeform modules if you don't need to define any type-checked options
<infinisil> Although, I guess using freeform modules in such a case means that other modules (e.g. user-defined ones) can still specify options, even if this module doesn't
<veleiro> I'm just looking at RFC-42 for this sourcehut PR
<cole-h> infinisil: IIRC that's what the RFC body suggested, so that's what I did :P
<infinisil> Oh darn
<cole-h> infinisil: Or maybe I misunderstood it
<cole-h> Looks like the freeformType is used when you want to specify other typed settings lol
<infinisil> cole-h: Well, it did use freeformType, but also with an option next to it :) https://github.com/Infinisil/rfcs/blob/config-option/rfcs/0042-config-option.md#part-1-1
<cole-h> yep
<cole-h> Easy enough fix :P
<infinisil> Eh doesn't matter
<infinisil> Probably better that all settings options use the same style
<cole-h> OK, cool :)
<infinisil> Makes it easy to add options later, or by other modules as mentioned above
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<cole-h> I liked seeing my snapshots at 113500 exactly, rather than 5 minutes after the service started
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<infinisi1> Oof what was that
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<gchristensen> freenode is not feeling well
<samueldr> a matrixsplit AFAICT
<samueldr> oh, no, good ol' netsplit
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<cransom> i don't envy admins of irc networks. any blip in network connectivity and _everyone_ notices.
<cransom> though if you are a network person and you host an irc network, it's way faster than the monitoring we had.
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<andi-> Yeah.
<andi-> I used to monitor the lag indicator in weechat ;)
<andi-> And if you see a few reconnects in various networks you know something is fishy
<andi-> (or was)
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<samueldr> a pkgsStatic.busybox built without any applet enabled, but usage help enabled, is 14K to do nothing useful :)
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<andi-> You should do some pgo with that :P
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<samueldr> (obviously I wasn't aiming to stop at an useless busybox)
<andi-> (I thought so thus I recommended pgo to make it even smaller!)
<samueldr> I actually don't have a budget, I mostly wanted to remove unused applets for an upcoming fun feature
<colemickens> cole-h: is your zrepl config live?
<colemickens> I'm lazy and want to start from someone else's.
<cole-h> not pushed yet, but I can paste it, one moment
<cole-h> colemickens: here's the "gist" (heh) of it: https://gist.github.com/cole-h/234d4ce2236bd5affe40a55af2078229
<colemickens> thanks!
<cole-h> brb again, fixing up boot...
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<samueldr> hmm... safe... I just segfaulted TWRP with a bad flashable zip I made :)
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