gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<Church-> heh
<Church-> Why'd you let it get that bad?
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<infinisil> Church-: Didn't realize it until it was too late!
<infinisil> Yesterday and today I started having occasional partial freezes, and today they happened more and more to be annoying
<Church-> heh aye
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<samueldr> Behaviour differs depending on FSes I think
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<eyJhb> So any conversation starters for people who are just meeting up at some "student internship" thingy? :p
<eyJhb> That dick, my partner-in-crime had slides they could talk about...
<Taneb> eyJhb: that's the kind of thing I'm super bad at :(
<Taneb> Is everyone roughly studying CS?
<eyJhb> Ehh... Computer Engineering :)
<eyJhb> I think CS is too theoretical for us
<Taneb> Roughly CS
<eyJhb> Can't find the english page for it... :/
<eyJhb> I have no problem with it usually, but yeah, this wasn't that great :p If I had just known about the slides
<eyJhb> But generally, like, CS department aren't the best at it
<Taneb> If you're all doing the same couse, could you talk about what your favourite module is?
<eyJhb> Well, I am the one who is in charge of this... SOoo... :p But yeah, they just started talking about where they are from and high school etc.
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<gchristensen> I sort of wish air travel was either way faster or way slower
<gchristensen> as it stands traveling across the atlantic is perfectly miserable
<NinjaTrappeur> You should give a try to sailing. Traveling across the atlantic will be surely order of magnitude slower, but also order of magnitudes more enjoyable :P
<gchristensen> sounds good. adjust to the TZ shift slowly
<NinjaTrappeur> yup :)
<NinjaTrappeur> Will also give you some quiet quality time to reflect on your life decisions.
<gchristensen> hehe
<NinjaTrappeur> Now, did I mention I have a boat for sale?
<NinjaTrappeur> (kidding, I don't :P)
<gchristensen> let me know if you have a boat for sail and I'm in
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<flokli> let's just do NixCon on a boat in the atlantic next time, to make sure it's as hard to reach from both continents? ;-)
<Taneb> flokli: NixCon New Zealand!
<flokli> uff
<gchristensen> okay but it has to be at least 2 weeks long
<NinjaTrappeur> yay to that
<NinjaTrappeur> NixBoat
<NinjaTrappeur> gchristensen, that could definitely be arranged. Not in the US though :/
<adisbladis> Nixcon iceland
<adisbladis> Somewhat in the middle
<adisbladis> Taneb: I'm game :P
<adisbladis> Let's make a heart out of the nixos logo lambdas
<adisbladis> Theme: The love boat
<andi-> Azores ;)
<adisbladis> andi-: Very cheap flights from london :O
<NinjaTrappeur> nz sounds good :)
<adisbladis> Tbh I really want a nixcon in north america
<adisbladis> Not the US though, Canada is better
* etu has landed in Prague
<eyJhb> NixCon greenland?
<gchristensen> NinjaTrappeur: I assume international waters
<gchristensen> adisbladis: i do, too. I'd be inclined to do it in the US, though
<gchristensen> for what I think are obvious reasons
<adisbladis> Yeah :)
<adisbladis> I'm thinking about issues like https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2017/06/28/denied-entry/
<gchristensen> definitely
<eyJhb> What obvious reasons?
<eyJhb> Ah
<adisbladis> eyJhb: gchristensen is living in the US? :)
<gchristensen> eyJhb: I live there is the obvious reason I'm thinking
<eyJhb> Ahh
<gchristensen> visiting a location in CA would take a day's drive or so
<eyJhb> That doesn't sound like it would hurt that much
<eyJhb> Have the entry restrictions on the US been dropped?
<gchristensen> I think you underestimate how many visits it takes to organize a conf
<gchristensen> and also, a day's drive *one way*
<eyJhb> Tbh. when you have a passport like the Danish one, you don't really think about entering another country
<adisbladis> gchristensen: Even though my preference would be Canada I'd be fine with the US too :)
<gchristensen> cool :)
<gchristensen> I won't subject you to the difficulties of traveling to where I actually live (though I recommend visiting)
<eyJhb> gchristensen: I can sponsor a tent for you :D
<gchristensen> eyJhb: how about I sponsor a tent for you, and you organize the conf? :)
<eyJhb> UH! If you do my exams etc. then I am all in on that :D
<gchristensen> sure!
<eyJhb> How do you feel about signal processing?
<gchristensen> I did great in school. I even graduated!
<eyJhb> Ohh, then you're no good! You need to be like a Facebook dropout instead! :p \jk
<eyJhb> When is NixCon again. This weekend?
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> oh I did that too (dropped out).
<eyJhb> I don't get why a Swedish person what denied entry in the US, that seems weird...
<eyJhb> What education?
<gchristensen> well I luckily graduated from grade school, and dropped out of university
<eyJhb> What ... study? I guess?
<eyJhb> CS?
<gchristensen> badger probably was denied because his name showed up improperly in a search for bad people, but the database accidentally indexed the license file for some software
<gchristensen> (kidding)
<gchristensen> I never established one
<adisbladis> eyJhb: I talked to him about it and he _still_ doesn't know why
<gchristensen> curse the UK having different plugs than Europe
<__monty__> You can include the US in that too : >
<adisbladis> gchristensen: If it's an ungrounded plug you can hack it
<gchristensen> oh?
<gchristensen> just smush it in?
<adisbladis> Stick something sharp in the ground pin, that will move the plastic protectors enough that you can stick an ungrounded EU plug in there
<gchristensen> hah!
<gchristensen> I ranout of time (just cursing it now b/c my devices are low on charge)
<joepie91> adisbladis: ah yes, the classic workaround
<joepie91> works with grounded plugs too... they just won't be grounded
<sphalerite> yeah, my dad showed me that trick (and warned me not to do it myself) when I was about 4
<sphalerite> he used a key
<joepie91> ballpoint pens is what I've seen used
<gchristensen> w00t about to board for vienna
<sphalerite> huh, I'd think they're too thick?
<adisbladis> Race you
<adisbladis> I'm boarding for Prague
<etu> I'm in Prague
<__monty__> Anyone here connects to twitch irc? I can't figure out whether they support sasl.
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<infinisil> __monty__: I did at some point
<__monty__> Oh, forgot to mention. I figured out how to connect. Not using sasl though.
<__monty__> Turns out they use a server password?
<__monty__> No idea what that really entails though.
<infinisil> __monty__: You mean how you can get a password?
<__monty__> No, that I managed to figure out. The api request isn't too hard to come up with.
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<etu> adisbladis: I'll catch up with you by going to Brno tomorrow!
<adisbladis> etu: :)
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<gchristensen> I *always* regret not having my VPN fully working every time I arrive at a hotel
<joepie91> sshuttle has turned out to be unexpectedly useful for that
<joepie91> my SSHd pretty much never breaks
<gchristensen> does that capture dns too?
<joepie91> so I have virtually a guarantee that I'll be able to SSH to home
<joepie91> gchristensen: yeah, that's actually the original reason I started using it
<joepie91> because my DNS is fucked on train wifi
<gchristensen> nice
<joepie91> caveat: IPv6 requires a bit more setup on the client side
<joepie91> and it doesn't fail very safely
<gchristensen> what's IPv6 :|
<joepie91> but as an "always have *something* that will work even if I'm in a hurry" option, I've found it to be a great one
<joepie91> gchristensen: you say that now, but wait until you go to CCC and realize that the network there *does* have IPv6... 2 days after thinking that you'd VPNed your traffic :)
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> I might as well disable ipv6 at the kernel layer and just nip that in the bud
<ashkitten> why do most commercial vpns not support ipv6 anyways
<etu> gchristensen: Where are you at now?
<gchristensen> Brno!
<etu> Nice
<etu> jjjjjjhithxjpxhhejkdhpdbjtyicynnbuxeiexdinph
<etu> oops :D
<gchristensen> nice
<gchristensen> you?
<etu> I'm having a nice calm evening in Prague :)
<gchristensen> ah nice
<etu> Taking the bus tomorrow
<etu> Maybe I should think if which bus to take tomorrow :D
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<kraem> what email clients are people using? i'm looking for a light weight one, preferably with a super simple ui like Mail in macOS
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<etu> Mosly evolution from gnome actually, it has good gpg support built in and stuff
<kraem> ah, nice with gpg integration
<etu> And it works fine even though I don't use gnome and don't have gnome installed
<etu> So I'm happy with that :)
<kraem> nice, thanks. i'm starting to discover a lot of gnome applications work without running gnome, which is good for us who don't ;)
* andi- reads "disable ipv6 at the kernel layer" :'(
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<gchristensen> evolution is not light weight though
<gchristensen> andi-: mostly a joke :)
<gchristensen> however unless I normally have working ipv6, it is hard to know what would happen if I suddenl y gained ipv6
<andi-> gchristensen: did you setup those remote hands for the network debugging session? ;)
<gchristensen> nope :(
<andi-> looks like we have backyard for nixcon 2020 :P
<andi-> *a backyard
<gchristensen> :)
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<etu> 2020 is far away though ;)
<andi-> That is what I thought in what Februrary? We started organizing this about 6-7 months ago and suddenly it is soon.
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<infinisil> Hey pgp experts, would it be advisable to have different subkeys for each machine?
<infinisil> I feel like yes, but it would be a bit of a pain to manage