<infinisil>
I spent my entire evening and night finishing an assignment for university :/
<infinisil>
I didn't get anywhere with it in the end, but now it's too late, have to hand it in tomorrow
<infinisil>
Can't even get enough sleep because of this now
<infinisil>
Damnit why am I still in university, I hate this
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<aanderse>
:-(
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<worldofpeace>
I like to say take what's good and toss whatever doesn't serve you after an experience. too bad schools don't work like this. Sometimes it looks like schools are just obedience training, do this assignment and be my lap dog
<worldofpeace>
though, real teachers can be hard to come by. If you ever notice a scarcity of them just know they can be found in more places than a school, and might not even be a person. And if you ever feel like leaving, know that hard times can't last because everyone has the gift of contrast in their experiences. by mere existance you can identify the opposite of something and seek it. so just know you're really the one in
<worldofpeace>
control of your life, and you're only "meant" to do something when you make this choice for yourself.
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<eyJhb>
worldofpeace: how did the flowers go?
<eyJhb>
worldofpeace with all the positive energy! - I love how my university/study functions, as we don't have any hard assignments like that, except our semester project+mini projects.
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<worldofpeace_>
eyJhb: Actually didn't have a chance to do this yet, I'm soo tired. tbh feel like https://imgur.com/a/9FQGt1S physically
<worldofpeace_>
the pic is like them having to wheel me into the after party, but you know... I know I still look good
<eyJhb>
worldofpeace_: I know the feeling! Constantly tired... :|
<eyJhb>
I should hijack a wheelchair
<eyJhb>
I feel like I am just being stupid compressing .png/jpg files, as it won't make that big of a difference anyways
<eyJhb>
=> No difference
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<worldofpeace_>
eyJhb: A wheelchair can seriously be fab though. Is your assignment file compression?
<eyJhb>
worldofpeace_: I think I will not be as popular, as the only wheelchair we have in the lab, is currently in use by someone :p But we do have a robot which can drive around with loads up to 100kg!
<eyJhb>
Nope.. My Dropbox is just running out of space... So I needed some cleanup.. My current assignment is code cleanup, as it is just a huge mess.. So we are rewriting our report, while I do this cleanup
<tilpner>
eyJhb: See optipng/pngcrush
<eyJhb>
tilpner: would just trust those two to store your family images for 5+ years?
<worldofpeace_>
eyJhb: oh, and no shade to people who actually need wheelchairs. sometimes you can feel like you need some extra support, hence the chair.
<tilpner>
They don't store, they try to shrink
<worldofpeace_>
but robots are cool too eyJhb
<tilpner>
But no, you should not run those on your only copy of those
<tilpner>
And I don't think it's a good use of time, but it makes more sense than running general-purpose compression on them
<adamt>
Suggestion: Buy a bigger dropbox plan. :P
<tilpner>
Or disks
<eyJhb>
worldofpeace_: that's true! For now I just pump some bass and loving it ;) They are! And expensive :p - tilpner my thought :D
<eyJhb>
Well .. I think I am 20k down atm, so don't really have that much for such things
<adamt>
tilpner: Yeah, but eyJhb's problem was related to dropbox. :P
<eyJhb>
For either things :p
<eyJhb>
Also, I don't trust myself!
<eyJhb>
But yeah, I should prop get some more disks, so I can pull things out of Dropbox like archived things...
<eyJhb>
Also, anyone can recommend a fast, short (length) hash algo? Basically just need to create something unique based on names. Thinking of just going SHA1 or MD5
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<eyJhb>
sha1[:10] should be good enough...
<eyJhb>
adamt: how is it going with you guys? Feels like it has been a long time since I have disturbed your work
<samueldr>
anyone has a tip for something to do alone in Vienna?
<adamt>
eyJhb: Tired from all the beer and traveling to and from nixcon
<eyJhb>
adamt: ... I could have traded you if it was THAT hard :p
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<emily>
eyJhb: blake2
<emily>
supports arbitrary digest size
<emily>
between 1-32/64
<emily>
is faster than MD5, but (intended) cryptographically secure
<eyJhb>
emily: Hmm, not standard library only X, but could be useful
<eyJhb>
FOr now I will go with sha1, as it works quite fine :D
<emily>
sha1 is pretty bad if you ever e.g. deal with the shattered pdfs
<emily>
this has broken svn, git, ...
<emily>
at least use sha2
<emily>
since there are no collisions in the wild there
<adisbladis>
samueldr: They have a pretty nice hackspace in vienna
<samueldr>
anything else?
<eyJhb>
emily: basically school names. So if the possibility of two schools in Africa having a name that causes a collision is pretty slim :p
<emily>
fair enough
<eyJhb>
If it was some more arbitrary data, then I would have gone another way! :D
<eyJhb>
Annoyed that my Golang program won't serve my static files..
<eyJhb>
Eh, not using the router correctly will do that
<gchristensen>
trying to use other people's kinesis advantages is proving to be a fascinating experience
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: I would think that it will be worse if you do any ergodox
<gchristensen>
oh I'm sure that is true
<gchristensen>
I can't use ergodox, so no problem for me ;P
<eyJhb>
The worst part about trying other peoples keyboards is if they use colemak, dvorak etc. because that makes it so much more difficult :p
<adisbladis>
Not to speak of this other weidr layout ppl tend to use... Qwerty
<gchristensen>
my kinesis is in qwerty mode with 2 swapped keys, and my laptop is in dvorak mode
<eyJhb>
It's easy! I will always recommend Ergodox-ez! Really love it, and can't live without it anymore :p Two other from my study has gone the same way with me
<gchristensen>
ergodox hurts me too much
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: tsk tsk... I should really change away from qwerty at some point
<eyJhb>
Hurts? How?
<gchristensen>
when I type on it I find I have to stop within a couple minutes
<gchristensen>
I don't find it very "ergo" for me
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: I was quite impressed the other day, I can still touch type qwerty ~10 years after switching to dvorak
<samueldr>
is it because the keyboard sends something "wrong" compared to the standard layouts? e.g. in-hardware layout?
<gchristensen>
yeah, these kinesis keys are heavily remapped
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: takes some time getting used to, but once you are used to it, it is lovely! Your fingers just dance over the keys as you write :p
<gchristensen>
eyJhb: I understand that is true for you and I am glad for it, but it is not true for me
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: :( Are you using a Swedish Dvorak layout then?
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: Nope, US dvorak
<adisbladis>
I was using svorak before
<adamt>
What sort of issues do you run into when coming from a standard keyboard to something like the kinesis advantage?
<adisbladis>
But since I got a laptop with a US keyboard 2 years ago I switched it
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: Of course ;) Not pushing you. It is just what I normally hear from people who never really got into it
<gchristensen>
aye
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: And since I'm usually using emacs as my IRC interface I use a buffer-local input mode for umlauts and such
<eyJhb>
adamt: There is the normal issue with all people who come from a normal keyboard to split. They don't use the 10 finger typing system correctly (most ) :p
<thefloweringash>
gchristensen: do you use a v1 or v2 advantage?
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: makes sense. Could do that as well for mine. I hate that I am wasting three keys for æøå
<gchristensen>
thefloweringash: I have 2 v1's and 1 v2 :)
<adamt>
eyJhb: There's nothing wrong with hitting b with your right hand, but it won't work on the advantage 2. Anyways, I was thinking more like how the shape is completely different, and how long it takes to get used to it
<thefloweringash>
Do you get modifier keys sticking on the v1s?
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: Could use that as well. Guessing there is some general tools which can map such keys in general system-wide
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: Sure, though it's much more of a setup
<gchristensen>
thefloweringash: yeah, definitely. the v2 seems more stable
<eyJhb>
adamt: You should have seen my typing beforehand :p It was not just the "b", but so many keys... - But the rest I can't answer. Only used the kinesis once.. :(
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: yeah, also there might be situations where is isn't optimal
<eyJhb>
But tbh. I write so little Danish in my day-to-day work, that it wouldn't matter that much
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: Yeah :)
<adamt>
Ctrl, Alt and the Win key seems to be hard to reach on the advantage 2
<adisbladis>
I only have it enabled in weechat.el buffers
<gchristensen>
they work well for me (ctrl,alt,win) but possibly a function of hand size
<eyJhb>
For me it would also only be maybe some browsers, weechat and email (which I still need to switch to Mutt)
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: I have another emacs hack for the browser :D
<adamt>
gchristensen: I'm thinking my current workspace switching with win+number would get rather annoying. :P
<gchristensen>
that is what I do and it isn't annoying, but it might be :)
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: you will never get me on Emacs! :(
<adisbladis>
:)
<adisbladis>
It's my OS
<eyJhb>
My hands wouldn't be able to handle it, not without evil mode
<thefloweringash>
gchristensen: the v1 is a ps2 keyboard with with a ps2<>USB converter inside. There’s a project by a friend of mine to replace all the electronics with something custom and it doesn’t have the modifier problem.
<adamt>
gchristensen: Oh, great. I have fairly large hands, so that shouldn't be a problem then.
<eyJhb>
The kinesis can't be programmed using qmk right?
<leons>
adisbladis: I have yet to setup it up but I imagine it as a mixture of awesome and awful, combined with a steep learning curve :/
<adisbladis>
leons: Hanging your WM when you do something stupid is for sure a huge drawback :/
<adisbladis>
leons: I'm gonna steal that "a mixture of awesome and awful, combined with a steep learning curve"
<eyJhb>
Am I a awful, if I have a `store` interface, which provides a way to interact with MySQL, RestAPIs etc. using classes that implements that interface, but then want a middle layer in-between, that functions as the controller? So basically the store interface is the model, and then a layer which ensures that the data is always the same between interfaces/adds additional information as needed ?
<etu>
eyJhb: haven't seen it yet, I've just got home from NixCon and ordered some food. cba making food today
<etu>
eyJhb: 23 days old though
<ar>
adisbladis: i'd expect it can be used as a boot drive or for putting images on it for emulating install CDs and such
<aanderse>
etu: i looked at the composer2nix PR but haven't tested or anything yet
<aanderse>
looking good
<aanderse>
i'm hoping i'll have time to play with it... but i'm getting pounded at work on a few projects and might not have the time :S
<etu>
aanderse: It's not really different from last time
<etu>
aanderse: but I started some work on the composer2nix project
<aanderse>
etu: i'm glad you picked it up, i have great interest in possibly using that in the future :D
<samueldr>
Should I leave tip in an Austrian restaurant?
<gchristensen>
samueldr: probably just the <1eur coins you receive (plus a euro or so)
<gchristensen>
the plus a euro or so depending on the price
<adisbladis>
I pretty much never tip anywhere in europe (but do leave the change)
<samueldr>
So this ends up much cheaper than back home
<gchristensen>
yup :)
<samueldr>
(prices including vat, on the menu also help)
<adisbladis>
samueldr: Is that not a thing in canada? O.o
<__monty__>
So nice when waiters earn a living wage.
<aanderse>
wait... so tipping isn't a thing in europe either?
<aanderse>
it isn't a thing in asia...
<aanderse>
why does this make me feel like we're getting a raw deal in north america? -_-
<gchristensen>
we are.
<adisbladis>
aanderse: It's a thing, but much less so.
<__monty__>
It's a thing but it's like actually to show appreciation.
<adisbladis>
If I'm taking the partner out to a fancy restaurant I'll tip a bit
<samueldr>
Just like USA, tipping is like 15-20% of the bill
<samueldr>
Or uh
<samueldr>
Vat is almost never the advertised price
<adisbladis>
That's like grifter level dishonesty
<gchristensen>
yay USA
<NinjaTrappeur>
Yep, that said 10% tipping is apparently pretty common in Czech Republic. I've been surprised by that.
<gchristensen>
probably part of why the US is *SO* against taxes, they're extremly visible
<adamt>
aanderse: It depends in Europe, but mostly not in the wealthier countries. If you go to a decent restaurant in Denmark, the waiter will just hit the "no" button on the credit card terminal :P
<samueldr>
In Canada I believe the only reason is inertia
<samueldr>
(about taxes)
<samueldr>
Tipping is because of wages and waiters believing its better that way
<eyJhb>
adamt: "decent" :p I wouldn't call Jensens Bøfhus that :p
<gchristensen>
samueldr: do the waiters believe that? :o
<eyJhb>
I just cancel it, not going to tip in DK...
<adisbladis>
gchristensen: Maybe they dont pay taxes on tips?
<samueldr>
Yes, in USA too from what I read
<samueldr>
They do have to
<samueldr>
But will end up declaring less
<samueldr>
Untraceable
<samueldr>
And some apparently see this as a perk of the job, you get more if you're good
<samueldr>
Or some inane thing like that
<samueldr>
Rather than a livable stable wage
<adisbladis>
The world is a strange place
<adamt>
Tipping is silly, just increase the price accordingly, and offer the personal a decent wage instead. (yeah lol, "just")
<adisbladis>
++
<eyJhb>
Well, in South Africa you basically tip for everything... Some guy apparantly wants to help you back out, because, jobs, he expects a tip
<eyJhb>
Even if you are more worried running him down, and don't really want any help.. But, the joys..
<adamt>
In Switzerland you ~bribe~ tip everyone for anything, like bribing the priest before the funeral or weeding or... Apparently you need a lot of envelopes with money in them when living there :P
<gchristensen>
it is so expensive already, and you have to bribe on top?
<adisbladis>
Heh
<adisbladis>
You're reminding me of Cambodia
<adisbladis>
That country runs on bribes
<adisbladis>
It's bribes all the way down
<samueldr>
A country built on the values of banks (jk)
<adamt>
I only know this from my friend who lived there for quite some years. It sounded like the bribing/tipping was kinda optional, but a good idea if you want the priest to remember your name, or not be drunk or tardi.
<gchristensen>
lol
<cransom>
can i pay him more to show up drunk?
<gchristensen>
there you go
<adamt>
His family also inherited an apartment. One part got the entrance, another the bathroom, a third the living room. You get the idea. Obviously they all got mad at each other, and now it's split in two, and the parties stopped talking to each other. Apparently one of them even got so mad that he sliced the tires of a car belonging to the other part of the family. Crazy lol.
<gchristensen>
...
<adisbladis>
adamt: Do they have a border across the living room?
<adamt>
adisbladis: No, they rebuilt the place.
<adamt>
Another part of the family bought a bottle of holy water from a priest, to use for inaugurating something I don't remember. I really hope it's just this family being crazy, because it doesn't bode well if this is normal in Switzerland. But then again, women have only have the right to vote for something like 30 years.
<eyJhb>
adamt: so it will start getting more crazy?
<etu>
woo
* etu
is actually home
<eyJhb>
It's not enough that DisplayLink is incredible annoying getting to work, but the box keeps slipping down and attacking my shin. You could debate that I am just being lazy, and not wanting to place it correctly .. But..
<samueldr>
well, that schnitzel at a random local pub out of the way in a more local neighbourhood was amazing
<samueldr>
(and cheap!)
<eyJhb>
samueldr: you could have shared a little :(
<eyJhb>
Are you traveling alone atm.?
<samueldr>
you didn't join me!
<samueldr>
yeah
<samueldr>
(still have amazing lag with messages on this hotel wi-fi)
<eyJhb>
I could have! Like, if you gave me a couple of hours!
<eyJhb>
Sounds nice! Meeting up with anyone?
<samueldr>
I haven't planned to, and no one showed interest, though might not have asked directly enough
<eyJhb>
Quite a bit far away from DK sorry!
<samueldr>
heh :)
<eyJhb>
Austria, right?
<samueldr>
yes
<eyJhb>
I have no clue if any NixOS users are from Austria :| I was just lucky that talyz and etu were so friendly in SWE
<adamt>
Considering a lot of us traveled through Austria, it would be fun to know whether any of the NixCon participants were from Austra
<adisbladis>
adamt: I met at least one!
<adamt>
adisbladis: Aha!
<eyJhb>
adamt: did you roadtrip to Nixcon?
<adamt>
eyJhb: No, but the only direct flight to Brno is from London, apparently, so most had to either fly to Vienna or Prague, and take the train from there.
<adisbladis>
Despite living in London I flew through Prague both flights
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<adisbladis>
Awkward times, also only with ryanir
<adisbladis>
I'm already excited about next years nixcon :)
<adisbladis>
It's so awesome to meet all you great people
<etu>
:):)
<etu>
indeed it was
<etu>
samueldr: I want a phone running nixos now :D
<adamt>
It's also much more fun with these smaller conferences. KubeCon europe '19 was hell, NixCon '19 awesome.
<leons>
I've been to a few events somewhat like this, but NixCon definitely is on the top of the list now :)
<adisbladis>
\o/
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<adisbladis>
Please fill in the feedback form if you haven't already :)
<leons>
done
<adamt>
adisbladis: When does it close?
<leons>
:)
<adisbladis>
adamt: Tbh not sure, I guess in a week or two
<aanderse>
todays lesson: probably not the best idea to onboard a nixos 18.03 server directly to a nixops 19.09 network... might want to update nixos 18.03 server first
<infinisil>
aanderse: You mean 19.03?
<aanderse>
infinisil: no, a nixos 18.03 server that was installed in early 2018 but then sat dormant
<aanderse>
until i just found it and realized it was doing nothing :)
<infinisil>
Ah I see
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<infinisil>
gchristensen: I might try out sanoid/syncoid for zfs backups with #72060
<ar>
welp, i guess i "fixed" dhcpcd on my laptop, by switching to networkd. at least dhcp works reliably and gets triggered instantly when moving between networks: http://dpaste.com/38EX3Y1.txt
<infinisil>
Hm I'm having dhcpcd issues too
<infinisil>
Somebody should bisect this, but it's probably gonna be a bit of a pain to do that
<infinisil>
My problem is that when I put my laptop to sleep and it wakes up again, dhcpcd doesn't give an ip, even after reconnecting to wifi, and restarting makes it go beserk with the CPU for a couple minutes
<infinisil>
ar: I assume your problem is about the same?
<ar>
infinisil: my problem was that, on wifi changes, dhcpcd wouldn't get notified/pick up things happened
<infinisil>
Hm I can't say that happened to me, but I also didn't really switch wifis
<ar>
infinisil: and, sometimes, old addresses wouldn't get cleared
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<ar>
infinisil: and dhcpcd restarts took *forever* for some reason
<infinisil>
Yeah that part is the same for me
<infinisil>
100% CPU for maybe 2 minutes to restart dhcpcp
<infinisil>
s/dhcpcp/dhcpcd
<flokli>
infinisil: I'd recommend trying out networkd. We need more alpha testers ;-)
<infinisil>
Good idea
<ar>
flokli: providing some basic configuration by default with DHCP enabled on wl* and en* interfaces, if networkd is enabled at all, would be nice
<flokli>
ar: this is inherently incompatible with the semantics networkd assumes.
<flokli>
nixos-generate-config now creates config requesting dhcp on all interfaces it sees, but it might need manual tweaking
<flokli>
but in general, it's not a good idea to just have it managing all interfaces. This might clash with other stuff managing network, and also drags more into network-online.target, which is generally not what we want.
<flokli>
we might use such a wl*, en* config on the installation media for convenience (or networkmanager)
<infinisil>
I finally figured out how to write german efficiently without the umlaute on your keyboard: Copy "äöü" into your clipboard, paste whenever you need an umlaut, delete the ones you don't need!
<__monty__>
infinisil: Please learn to use a compose key.
<tilpner>
Or ae, oe, and ue if it's not that important
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<infinisil>
__monty__: The day I clean up my keyboard config hasn't yet come :P
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<infinisil>
Oh wow, I'm trying to unblock my mail servers IP from some mail server, pretty standard stuff
<infinisil>
However, it's office.com
<infinisil>
And I can't solve their captcha!!
<infinisil>
It's so hard to read the letters, it always fails, I tried like 20 times now
<tilpner>
Have a screenshot?
<infinisil>
I'm starting to suspect it's just `captchaValid(){ return false; }`
<infinisil>
I'll take some hold on
<makefu>
maybe it can only be solved by brute force ( e.g. a robot )
<tilpner>
Oh, that's a lot more sensibel than what I read
<tilpner>
sensible too
<talyz>
eyJhb: aw, shucks~ :)
<infinisil>
Oh and btw, there's also a sound captcha option, but it's equally as unidentifiable
<infinisil>
Or even more so actually
<talyz>
infinisil: oh, I have that dhcpcd issue too, in a virtual machine :/
<__monty__>
gchristensen: I'm having a hard time imagining a robot can't read ver 1.0.1 of that.
<__monty__>
I mean, handwriting recognition seems like a way harder problem.
<__monty__>
And the NDS can do that well enough.
<infinisil>
Oh wow, I want to create a support ticket because of this captcha problem, but you need an account to do that, so I try to log in with GitHub, which fails because apparently the email is already registered with them, so I try to sign in with that mail, but I don't have a password, so I need to reset it, but I need to solve a captcha for that..
<infinisil>
But I can't actually do that with that email because "Microsoft Accounts or personal email addresses don’t work here"
<leons>
Fun times
<infinisil>
Fortunately it leads me to a new page to reset my microsoft account password, but when I enter the same mail there it tells me "Try entering your Microsoft account again. We don't recognize this one."
<leons>
Even more so ^^
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