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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] volth opened pull request #24145: stdenv: do not overwrite "$NIX_BUILD_TOP/env-vars" on each phase (master...stdenv-env-vars) https://git.io/vyNyG
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] basvandijk opened pull request #24146: wordpress: replace the dbPassword option with dbPasswordFile (master...wordpress-dbPasswordFile) https://git.io/vyNSF
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<sophiag>
c74d: i mean just whether i can place the :def hoogle and :def docs keys inside configuration.nix instead of having a separate file. it's fine that it'll be global since this is my personal machine
<c74d>
sophiag: can GHCi use a global configuration file in `/etc` rather than one in your homedir?
<c74d>
alternatively, can it take a configuration file on the command line?
<sophiag>
probably, but i'm saying i'd prefer to keep everything in one file since that's what i'm doing with all my other configs so far (emacs for example)
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<c74d>
yes
<c74d>
one can define the contents of files in /etc from within configuration.nix
<sophiag>
well, this is in ~/.ghc
<c74d>
it looks to me like GHCi won't read a config file from /etc, but it can take one on the command line
<c74d>
sophiag: are you installing GHCi by putting it in environment.systemPackages?
<sophiag>
yes, but through myHaskellEnv
<sophiag>
it would be convenient if you could set keys inside that
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<sophiag>
mostly unrelated, but the reason why i set up an environment for haskell was to install ghc-core but it's throwing an error from runInteractiveProcess when trying to call less (which i do have installed). i'm unclear as to whether this is a bug in ghc-core that just hasn't been pushed to the version installed by nix (i found one PR possibly related to it) or something on the OS side
<c74d>
sophiag: what's the attribute path for the GHCi package?
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[nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyN7n
<c74d>
one can wrap packages to add arguments (in this case, `-ghci-script`), but I think it would be a lot of work for a package containing many things
<sophiag>
i'm trying to avoid imperative hacks that i'll forget to replicate when i inevitably switch machines. that was how the folks on #haskell recommended fixing the ghc-core issue (that or just installing it straight from github) and i was like, ugh not worth it
<c74d>
where ... is the lines that you would have in ghci.conf
<sophiag>
oh...ok, i see what you're saying
<sophiag>
lemme give it a shot
<c74d>
`pkgs.writeText name text` creates a file named <name> containing <text>
<c74d>
it might need to be `toString (pkgs.writeText ...)` if you get a "cannot coerce ... to string" error
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<sophiag>
this is inside nixpkgs.config = {..}?
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<c74d>
oh
<joncfoo>
Anyone use multiple video cards with NixOS? What does your configuration look like?
<c74d>
sophiag: I thought this was in configuration.nix
<c74d>
oh wait
<sophiag>
no it is. i mean inside that statement
<c74d>
nixpkgs.config, not ~/.nixpkgs/config
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<c74d>
apologies
<sophiag>
yup
<c74d>
no, environment.shellAliases is at the same level as nixpkgs.config
<sophiag>
ah ok
<c74d>
i.e. at the top-level of the attribute set that constitutes most of one's configuration.nix, unless one's using the `options`/`config` split
<contrapumpkin>
that withPlugins works great until someone calls (buildbot.overrideAttrs (...)).withPlugins [ ... ]
<contrapumpkin>
how do I refer to myself post-override?
<contrapumpkin>
it seems tricky
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<andymandias>
is there a common explanation for why the cups daemon (or one of the driver packages it has installed) might not be able to see a file that exists when looking from the terminal?
<sophiag>
c74d: are you sure that snippet was correct in terms of closer the ${ ? i'm getting an unexpected $end error
<c74d>
hm, I'll try it myself
<sophiag>
i may have made a typo, but not sure. it's single quotes for each string and then another set of single quotes for all the strings?
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<c74d>
double quotes for "ghci -ghci-script ...", double quotes for "ghci.conf", and double single quotes for ''the contents of the config file''
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<sophiag>
oh ok. that was it re: the syntax error
<sophiag>
still not working when i reload ghci tho :/
<sophiag>
it's rebuilding fine, just not working in ghci
<c74d>
sophiag: you'll need to restart your shell, if you haven't
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<sophiag>
i have
<sophiag>
err, well i'm in emacs so killed ghci and launched it again
<sophiag>
another sidenote i'm sure you can answer...i tried pulling up "nix-env --list-generations" for the first time yesterday and it only had two builds. i always call "nixos-rebuild switch" and was under the impression it was creating a new one each time
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<c74d>
sophiag: nix-env manages per-user profiles, whereas nixos-rebuild affects the system profile; their generations are separate
<sophiag>
ah ok
<c74d>
sophiag: what does `alias ghci` say?
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<sophiag>
not found
<sophiag>
re: --list-generations, that makes sense since i was watching a video on using nix with haskell NOT nixos. but is there a similar flag for system builds?
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyNdl
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master c808801 Robin Gloster: nix-daemon: fix autoOptimiseStore option
<sophiag>
i know i can see them in grub
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to release-17.03: https://git.io/vyNdR
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 e87e108 Robin Gloster: nix-daemon: fix autoOptimiseStore option...
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to release-17.03: https://git.io/vyNdE
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 1afee76 Joachim Schiele: Update python.md (#23669)...
<c74d>
sophiag: I don't know, I use `ls /nix/var/nix/profiles` but there may well be a proper Nix command for it
<sophiag>
thanks. i'll look it up
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<c74d>
if you're running ghci through some Emacs plugin, I doubt the shell alias will work
<sophiag>
oh right...i didn't even think of that
<c74d>
can you configure what program the plugin uses as "ghci"?
<sophiag>
i may wait until i meet up with some friends who use nixos for work this weekend and ask them this stuff
<sophiag>
um, there's no plugin
<c74d>
ah
<sophiag>
it just launches ghci
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<sophiag>
it's emacs
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<c74d>
it's not some Haskell, uh, mode?
<sophiag>
yeah i think ghci is part of haskell-mode, but you still have to set what to launch. for example, if you're using stack (i'm not)
<c74d>
okay, so you can set what it will launch as "ghci"?
<c74d>
can that be configured from configuration.nix?
<sophiag>
no
<sophiag>
and that's not where you set ghci flags
<sophiag>
you just tell it what version to launch
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] abbradar pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyNdQ
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 8eabb34 Nikolay Amiantov: odroid-xu3-bootloader: use 1MB-capable bootloader...
<sophiag>
yeah, i'll ask some friends when i get a chance
<sophiag>
i'm more annoyed that ghc-core isn't working tbh
<sophiag>
but don't really want to waste more time trying things
<c74d>
if you (a) can name the derivation that provides ghci in configuration.nix and (b) can modify the relevant elisp files from configuration.nix, you could set something to `pkgs.writeScriptBin "ghci" "${pkgs.foo}/bin/ghci -ghci-script ${pkgs.writeText "ghci.conf" ''...''}"`
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] volth opened pull request #24147: babelstone-han: init at 9.0.2 (master...babelstone-han-9.0.1) https://git.io/vyNFe
<c74d>
you could also make a systemd service that runs at boot and writes the options to ~/.ghc/ghci.conf
<sophiag>
this has nothing to do with elisp tho
<c74d>
(or possibly something called an activation script, which I think is deep dark magic I don't know)
<c74d>
oh? apologies; I assumed that ghci was getting invoked from elisp
<sophiag>
it is. but emacs doesn't set keys for applications it calls. that just doesn't make sense
<c74d>
it doesn't need to, here
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<sophiag>
yes, it doesn't
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<sophiag>
which is why "modify the relevant elisp files from configuration.nix" makes no sense
<sophiag>
there no relevant elisp files
<c74d>
okay, how does Emacs call ghci?
<c74d>
or, how do you start ghci from within Emacs?
<c74d>
(this is likely not going to be productive, though)
<c74d>
my second-to-last suggestion was to, from within configuration.nix, modify Emacs (whatever part of it that invokes ghci) to invoke a different program, that being a wrapped ghci
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<dpren>
is there anywhere I can see a complete list of pythonPackages?
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<c74d>
but nix-prefetch-url doesn't give the same hash that fetchzip expects
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<c74d>
oh, --unpack
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] peterhoeg pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyNbx
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 497b34c Peter Hoeg: qtox: 1.8.1 -> 1.9.0
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<Zer000>
Working with bleeding edge is a pain in the ass but I want to do it anyway. Is there a way for me to get a nix-shell environment with nightly rust? My end game is to compile Ruma (https://github.com/ruma/ruma)
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<globin>
Zer000: those docs only got merged today :)
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<Zer000>
globin, well I lucked out. I don't think I can use overlays though
<c74d>
hm, I think I'd like to install the Mozilla Rust overlay to get nightly Rust builds but
<c74d>
I don't want my Nix store to fill up with a new system generation with a new Rust platform every night
<globin>
Zer000: why not?
<Zer000>
I'm on 19.09 can I even use the overlay?
<Zer000>
I don't really want to switch my channel to unstable
<c74d>
I don't suppose there's a supported way to uh… auto-GC old system generations that differ from the current one in only a given derivation?
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<Zer000>
c74d, why not just run nix-collect-garbage?
<c74d>
I don't like to delete old derivations without testing that my current one boots successfully, and I'm too (laz|bus)y to reboot regularly
<c74d>
s/derivations/generations/
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<smw_>
Hi all, I have a nixos sd card image running, but I can't seem to get openssh to start. I added services.openssh.enable = true; and when I do a ps -ef | grep ssh I can't find it.
<globin>
Zer000: 17.03-beta should be quite stable as long as you do a nixos-rebuild boot or login again after switching
<smw_>
I am also importing <nixpkgs/nixos/modules/installer/cd-dvd/sd-image-aarch64.nix> if that helps
<globin>
smw_: the installer disables the wantedBy multi-user.target by default
<Zer000>
globin, I'll consider it then
<smw_>
globin: but, why?
<globin>
smw_: you need to systemctl start sshd
<globin>
smw_: the sd card image includes the installer profile which ships ssh but does not start it by default
<smw_>
globin: how can I disable its disabling?
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<smw_>
yay, I am SSHed in
<globin>
smw_: you probably don't want to import the sd-image but use the relevant parts you need from that in your own config
<globin>
Zer000: final release is slated for 30 March
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] volth opened pull request #24151: far2l: init at 2.1 (master...far2l) https://git.io/vyNxy
<globin>
smw_: you can probably ignore the sd-image stuff
<smw_>
ok
<globin>
I think that's all I included
<globin>
and a services.openssh.enable obviously :)
<smw_>
globin: yes, of course :-)
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<smw_>
globin: I am stuck configuring from a serial console right now. Will be awesome to have ssh. Then I need to debug why wifi doesn't work XD
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<globin>
smw_: rpi3?
<smw_>
globin: yep
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<globin>
smw_: probably needs some updated firmware as far as I have debugged so far
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<smw_>
globin: hopefully you end up solving it for me ;-)
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<globin>
smw_: don't think so, release issues are more pressing and I don't really need the wifi ;)
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<smw_>
globin: damn, hopefully this isn't also out of my league. Well, time to get back to work
<smw_>
hopefully I can make this thing at least give me ssh on ethernet. Would make debugging easier.
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<PenguinOfDoom>
is there an equivalent to debian's build-essential? figuring out which package to install to get ld(1) isn't the best use of time
<erlandsona>
Anyone here know how to change the /boot drive on NixOS? I'm tryingt to change the startup drive from an internal ssd to an internal nvme but my machine keeps using the ssd to boot.
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<Zer000>
erlandsona, have you modified /etc/nixos/hardware-configuration.nix and run nixos-rebuild switch?
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[nixpkgs] copumpkin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyAJ0
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 93005b8 Dan Peebles: google-gflags: fix on Darwin...
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[nixpkgs] copumpkin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyAUs
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nixpkgs/master 7ad3fd7 Dan Peebles: neuron: fix on clang 3.8 and above...
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] copumpkin opened pull request #24152: gfortran/gcc: simplify & clean up on Darwin (master...gcc-simplify) https://git.io/vyAIe
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<hyper_ch>
weird, I installed chromium and chromium-beta but I could only find chromium
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<puffnfresh>
hyper_ch: I think they have the same binary name
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<dhess`>
I did not realize that GitHub will merge later commits into a PR if the later commits overlap with it.
<dhess`>
I guess it makes sense in the case that you're updating a PR... but when the later commits have nothing to do with the original PR, it sucks.
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[nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyAOw
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master fb50cde Franz Pletz: nixos/treewide: systemd.time is in manvolume 7...
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[nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 2 new commits to release-17.03: https://git.io/vyAOp
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 21cb5af Franz Pletz: zfs.autoScrub service: init...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 0b6812e Franz Pletz: nixos/treewide: systemd.time is in manvolume 7...
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<MichaelRaskin>
c74d: well, /run/booted-system is a GC root
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<c74d>
MichaelRaskin: ah, so `nix-collect-garbage -d` won't remove the generation I booted from?
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<MichaelRaskin>
Yes
<c74d>
okay, thanks
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<c74d>
I guess I was confused because all but the current system profile get removed from /nix/var/nix/profiles
<c74d>
hm, all the deleted generations seem to still have entries in /boot/loader/entries
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<Criena[m]>
Hi there, is there an easy way to use libressl instead of openssl? For example for nginx.
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<clever>
c74d: nix-collect-garbage doesnt know how to update the bootloader
<clever>
c74d: you have to re-run nixos-rebuild switch/boot to regen that
<c74d>
ah
<clever>
i have also seen problems in the past, where people managed to not mount /boot
<clever>
so it updated the grub.conf in the rootfs, and not on the /boot partition
<clever>
then it just doesnt know about the only generation left, and cant boot
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<clever>
and similiar problem, the system just rolling back all changes at every reboot
<MichaelRaskin>
Not updating the bootloader after GC means you would have a lot of broken entries, but previous boot configuration would still be accessible
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<c74d>
okay, I see that, now that I've run `nixos-rebuild boot`, the current generation is the only one left to boot, which is what I hoped wouldn't happen
<MichaelRaskin>
There should be also default and configuration previous boot
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<MichaelRaskin>
Default is the same as current
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<clever>
but only generations listed in /nix/var/nix/profiles/system* will be in grub.conf
<clever>
and /run/booted-system is only a gc root to prevent garbage collection, but it wont force it into the grub.conf
<MichaelRaskin>
Oh? Someone has broken this?
<bkchr>
Hi, I'm currently struckling with Bluetooth. I have added "
<bkchr>
wrapQtProgram "$out/bin/bluedevil-wizard"
<c74d>
`nix-collect-garbage -d` leaves only the current generation in /nix/var/nix/profiles, and this is systemd-boot
<clever>
that should work, though gen 0 will change each time you reboot
<MichaelRaskin>
(and re-nixos-rebuild-boot)
<c74d>
I'll try that (I think I even have the proper number for it)
<clever>
might be better to ln -sv $(readlink /run/booted-system) /nix/var/nix/profiles/system-0-link
<clever>
then 0 will always be the one you booted with now
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<MichaelRaskin>
clever: I am not sure which is better
<clever>
depends a lot on what you want also
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<clever>
do you always want 0 to change to the last thing you booted with?, or do you want to pin the current one as 0?
<MichaelRaskin>
I know that when I was cloning boot list generator, it was obvious to me that booted-system had to be included
<MichaelRaskin>
I think in some version NixOS did that correctly
<bkchr>
Next try :D I'm struckling with bluetooth, added "hardware.bluetooth.enable = true;" that to my configuration.nix and also added bluedevil and bluez tothe packages list. If I'm trying to connect my bluetooth mouse, that did not work :( Any ideas? Did I miss something?
<MichaelRaskin>
I have no idea when and why that was dropped
<clever>
MichaelRaskin: i have been interested in configuring fallback in grub to make nixos more bullet proof in remote settings
<c74d>
I don't especially care which known-good generation I have as a backup, so long as I have one
<clever>
c74d: i generaly dont garbage collect everything, there is also --delete-older-than
<clever>
c74d: that will leave several backups in place
<MichaelRaskin>
I am not sure next collect-garbage won't collect system-0-link
<c74d>
but I'll go back to only GCing after reboots, and maybe follow some issues if you know of any
<clever>
MichaelRaskin: ahh yeah, the system-0-link will point to the currently booted nixos, not the one the bootloader points to
<clever>
MichaelRaskin: so its better to pin an exact build with readlink
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<c74d>
clever: my only known-bootable generation is (was) always the oldest, so I don't think --delete-older-than would help
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<c74d>
though I suppose it would have had my practice been to GC all generations save the last two known-bootable ones after booting
<clever>
c74d: i think --delete-older-than uses the timestamp of generation x+1 to figure out if it should delete x
<clever>
c74d: so it knows when you stopped using x
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<MichaelRaskin>
Well, you don't know if x+1 was bootable
<clever>
yeah, but if you set a 30d limit, it will keep 1 generation from beyond that 30d limit
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<clever>
and i prefer to test rebooting before deleting generations
<MichaelRaskin>
I assumed booted-system will be in the GRUB menu anyway
<clever>
MichaelRaskin: there are also 2 things keeping the boot profile in the store, /run/booted-system is the main one, but the /proc/*/exe symlinks also root anything running, so the old systemd and dbus and stuff that cant easily restart, are rooting their closures
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] peti pushed 1 new commit to release-16.09: https://git.io/vyACZ
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-16.09 2acd6ce Peter Simons: esniper: 2.32.0 -> 2.33.0...
<bkchr>
If I'm using nix-shell for installing packages, will they be shared between mutliple different nix-shells or does each nix-shell configuration has its own store?
<clever>
bkchr: they all go into the main /nix/store/
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<bkchr>
clever: thx :)
<bkchr>
I'm using plasma5 and want to change my "digital clock settings" (the clock in the taskbar bottom right), but the menu does not load. May I have some packages not installed?
<c74d>
why is nixos-unstable not updating again :<
<sziszi>
LnL: few days ago you shared a gist where you explained how to set up a custom neovim installation
<LnL>
right
<sziszi>
you wrote in the gist "lnl.neovim = ..." and i got it working by "neovim = "
<sziszi>
how could I install it with the custom attribute
<sziszi>
?
<LnL>
yeah, with the example I made you'd have to use nix-env -f '<nixpkgs>' -iA lnl.neovim, or add pkgs.lnl.neovim to your systemPackages
<sziszi>
I tried the former but didnt worked out
<sziszi>
i used -f .nixpkgs/config.nix
<sziszi>
IIRC
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/vyAPw
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging 3760c8c Frederik Rietdijk: Python: replace mkPythonDerivation with buildPythonPackage and format="other";...
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/vyAPH
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging 94eb74e Frederik Rietdijk: Merge remote-tracking branch 'upstream/master' into HEAD
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to staging-17.03: https://git.io/vyA1P
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging-17.03 504323c Frederik Rietdijk: Python: replace mkPythonDerivation with buildPythonPackage and format="other";...
<FRidh>
looks like we're getting a nixpkgs-unstable channel update
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyA1N
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 37c31c6 Robin Gloster: ponyc: segfaults on i686
<clever>
sziszi: nix-env -f .nixpkgs/config.nix just wont work, you have to point -f to the default.nix at the root of a nixpkgs tree, and that nixpkgs then has to load a config.nix
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] fpletz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vyAMc
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 29f57ac Franz Pletz: gitlab: 8.16.6 -> 8.17.4 for CVE-2017-0882
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 2 new commits to release-17.03: https://git.io/vyASn
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 7ea9cdf Robin Gloster: fetch-*: remove md5 support...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 36262fc Robin Gloster: fetch-*: add md5 support removal to rl-notes...
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] pSub pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyAS0
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master a20fa00 Pascal Wittmann: fbida: add dependency to lirc
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[nixpkgs] globin closed pull request #23641: security-wrapper: Don't remove the old paths yet as that can create migration pain (master...parnell/fix-wrapper-migration) https://git.io/vyujT
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[nixpkgs] globin pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vyASu
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 4c751ce Parnell Springmeyer: security-wrapper: Don't remove the old paths yet as that can create migration pain
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master f2ff646 Robin Gloster: Merge pull request #23641 from awakenetworks/parnell/fix-wrapper-migration...
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to release-17.03: https://git.io/vyASV
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 cbbb889 Parnell Springmeyer: security-wrapper: Don't remove the old paths yet as that can create migration pain...
<dtzWill>
so uh I've been creating derivations with....100k-1million+ files.... turns out that is an even worse idea than it sounds when using auto-optimise-store=true LOL. That said, I wonder why we don't use a tiered heirarchy for /nix/store/.links? Intentionally not done or is that open to discussion? :)
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<dtzWill>
in the meantime, once I clean this up :( I'll avoid creating quite so many files lol :P
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nix] edolstra pushed 1 new commit to 1.11-maintenance: https://git.io/vyA9o
<clever>
dtzWill: i have also been thinking about tiering, trying to delete even 1 storepath with nix-store --delete takes anywhere from 2 minutes to 30minutes
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<clever>
dtzWill: no matter how little you delete, nix wants to review .links for any file with a link-count of 1 (only the .link entry)
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] abbradar opened pull request #24162: mesa: enable texture floats by default (master...texture-floats) https://git.io/vyA9x
<dtzWill>
clever: yep, and same experience re:deleting (and gc) taking minutes, often much longer
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] pSub pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyAHO
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] mdaiter opened pull request #24163: riak: adding Darwin support (master...riakMacSupport) https://git.io/vyAH8
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[nixpkgs] copumpkin closed pull request #24152: gfortran/gcc: simplify & clean up on Darwin (master...gcc-simplify) https://git.io/vyAIe
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] joachifm pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vyA7W
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master b71b1b6 Michael Alan Dorman: elpa-packages: 2017-03-20
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 2126246 Michael Alan Dorman: melpa-stable-packages: 2017-03-20
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 06795f7 Michael Alan Dorman: melpa-packages: 2017-03-20
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] HeeL opened pull request #24165: terminal-parrot: init at 1.1.0 (master...init-party-parrot) https://git.io/vyA7K
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[nixpkgs] NeQuissimus pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vyAdu
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 9634d9e Adelbert Chang: coursier: init at 1.0.0-M15
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 8d182a7 Adelbert Chang: coursier: makeWrapper as nativeBuildInputs, add adelbertc and nequissimus as maintainers
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master e361bc4 Tim Steinbach: Merge pull request #24108 from adelbertc/coursier-1-0-0-M15...
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] HeeL opened pull request #24166: Fix mkdir for fetchgx to not throw an exception (master...fix-mkdir-in-fetchgx) https://git.io/vyAdN
<schoppenhauer>
hi. I see there is a release-17.03 branch. is this stable yet?
<gchristensen>
schoppenhauer: not yet
<schoppenhauer>
ok
<contrapumpkin>
niksnut: is the order of the binary-caches list significant? I put the one I wanted more earlier in the list and a "fallback" later, but it seems to be moaning about the fallback not responding within 5 seconds (it's actually unreachable right now)
<contrapumpkin>
furthermore, it seems to be waiting indefinitely for it
<schoppenhauer>
is hydra stuck again? I didnt have an upgrade since a few days
<niksnut>
contrapumpkin: well, any paths missing in the first cache will still be looked up in the next
<contrapumpkin>
hmm, but it's "still waiting" for nix-cache-info from the second one
<contrapumpkin>
the whole thing is offline unfortunately so it'll never get an answer
<contrapumpkin>
does download-from-binary-cache.pl wait indefinitely?
<niksnut>
don't think so
<niksnut>
but in any case, you shouldn't add binary caches that don't work :p
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<contrapumpkin>
niksnut: sure, it's just baked into an image and isn't accessible from this location
<contrapumpkin>
and I figured it wouldn't look at the second one if the first one worked
<contrapumpkin>
but I think it tries eagerly to find out if the cache works
<contrapumpkin>
also it does seem to be waiting indefinitely
<contrapumpkin>
or at least for the past several minutes :)
<contrapumpkin>
niksnut: so I think the new c++ downloader won't have the default timeout of 0, so it won't be a big deal with nixUnstable, but defaulting a timeout to 0 makes me sad in 1.11.7 :)
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<calvertvl>
Looks like the travis kill issue may be related to a timeout? it created the tarball fine on my system in about 6.5 minutes but was killed on travis after about 4
<abbradar>
run "primus/optirun glxgears" and paste "journalctl -eu bumblebeed" output somewhere
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] domenkozar pushed 1 new commit to staging-17.03: https://git.io/vyxtb
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging-17.03 b9608a9 Domen Kožar: git, openssl, curl: Respect $NIX_SSL_CERT_FILE...
<abbradar>
ronny: BTW, I think you don't need bumblebee with nouveau at all nowadays
<abbradar>
you can just set DRI_PRIME=1
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<ronny>
abbradar: i just did set up bumblebee because it fixes multi screen issues with docing stations for me
<ronny>
where would i set DRI_PRIME=1 `
<abbradar>
ronny: for example "DRI_PRIME=1 glxgears"
<abbradar>
it should "just work"
<abbradar>
you'd need to disable bumblebee for that to work
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<ronny>
abbradar: does multi screen and docing stations work those days?
<ronny>
(i have a lenove 541, a docking station and a hdmi screen on it, it wouldnt work back when i tried without bumblebee on 16.03/09
<abbradar>
ronny: this heavily depends on your configuration (is second monitor attached to intel or to nvidia)
<ronny>
abbradar: as far as i understand the second monitor is on the nvidia
<philipp[m]>
garbas: When I tried to do the PR for nixos-weekly I needed to touch one file in content the first time I while serving to get any site at all in my browser. Is that expected behaviour?
<ronny>
abbradar: hmm, also note, that if i reboot into a current system, x11 will not start
<abbradar>
ronny: hm, this shouldn't be related to bumblebee
<globin>
domenkozar: thanks :)
<ronny>
abbradar: how do i figure that detail then?
<abbradar>
(i assumed that you meant "my _secondary_ X server keeps crashing" in the issue)
<abbradar>
(the one that bumblebeed starts)
<abbradar>
let me take a look at your logs...
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<ronny>
i see
<ronny>
i#ll reconfigure a system without bumblebee at all and reboot
<abbradar>
ronny: do you have nouveau in videoDrivers?
<garbas>
philipp[m]: are you running: nix-shell --run "python run.py"?
<abbradar>
(and, importantly, no nvidia)
<garbas>
philipp[m]: let me check
<philipp[m]>
garbas: ran it as two commands, not one but that shouldn't matter, I guess.
<ronny>
abbradar: actually not, i have no such setting, i think i can presume it worked by pure accident and now someone fixed it up and it broke
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<abbradar>
ronny: use ''videoDrivers = [ "intel" "nouveau" ]''
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<abbradar>
in services.xserver
<ronny>
abbradar: its set up, i#ll reboot now
<garbas>
philipp[m]: i just pushed a fix. can you try if this fixes it?
<abbradar>
ronny: good luck!
<philipp[m]>
Sure
<ronny>
abbradar: complete failure
<ronny>
abbradar: is there any sensible wy to interact with the failing system, it keeps trying to start the xserver and messes up normal temrinal usage by flickering to tty1 all the time
<philipp[m]>
garbas: Looks good now for me.
<garbas>
philipp[m]: +1
<philipp[m]>
ronny stop the display-manager service via ssh if possible.
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] HeeL opened pull request #24171: Remove old version of sbt because of the latest sbt update (master...remove-old-version-of-sbt) https://git.io/vyxO1
<abbradar>
ronny: ugh. what display manager do you use?
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<philipp[m]>
abbradar: Imho the service in nixos is aways called display-manager.service
<ronny>
abbradar: gdm+gnome3
<abbradar>
philipp[m]: yeah, i meant display manager the nixos module
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<abbradar>
ronny: nixos has start limits on display manager, seems that GDM doesn't crash when X is crashed and instead just restarts it
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<abbradar>
this prevents it from being properly stopped after some time
<ronny>
i see
<ronny>
is there a alternative on nixos that will allow me to lock the screen/switch users?
<abbradar>
anyway, you can try to use slim or whatever for the purposes of debugging
<ronny>
ok, on it#
<abbradar>
oh wait
<abbradar>
upload X.log.old somewhere
<abbradar>
maybe it has some hints
<gchristensen>
we have 104,104 commits right now
<ronny>
im just booting that syystem again
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<abbradar>
ronny: ah, I assumed you chat from the same system for some reason (you staying online didn't confuse me :D)
<abbradar>
gchristensen: ^_^
<gchristensen>
:)
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<ronny>
abbradar: my irssi is on a different box on the net, i switched ssh tmux between systems like 10 times in the last 20 minutes
<philipp[m]>
PSA: Matrix is great for those problems with IRC. It bridges to IRC and on your end you can have mulitple devices logged into the same account, all with the same history.
<abbradar>
ronny: interesting; there is no mention of "nouveau" in the log
<ronny>
abbradar: actually even xrandr only shows the intel, im most bemused
<abbradar>
ronny: it seems as if nouveau isn't even installed
<abbradar>
hm
<ronny>
philipp[m]: yes, but my irc client needs 60mb of ram, a matrix homeserver needs gigabytes or so
<abbradar>
ronny: try this log actually seems okay, maybe that's not the bad one. the only strange thing is no nouveau
<abbradar>
-try*
<abbradar>
let's try with slim. backup the log after it fails
<philipp[m]>
ronny mine is running at 667 MB, but I get your point.
<abbradar>
you need X.0.log
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<ronny>
abbradar: it faild again, i got the log, uploading
<abbradar>
ronny: ....shit, I remembered something. I think at some point we have switched X logs to journald
<abbradar>
let's see this one but I feel it's just old
<abbradar>
check modification dates
<abbradar>
anyway it should have been saved in journal
<ronny>
13. Sep 2016 - lol damn
<ronny>
seriously systemd and muscle memory
<abbradar>
I bumped into this hard some time ago just like you now
<abbradar>
tried to debug something and wondered why nothing changed for hours
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<ronny>
in theory i love journalcontrol
<ronny>
in practice muslce memory and wally make splat heads
<ronny>
*walls
<abbradar>
I head several log corruptions at most delicate moments but the filtering interface is nice
<abbradar>
anyway let's not start {pro,contra}-systemd rant now :D
<avn>
abbradar: actually X not stream all to console/systemd, so ability to turn logging back to file would be nice
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] edolstra pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyxc0
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master dd13d24 Jörg Thalheim: gpodder: add myself as maintainer
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<abbradar>
sphalerite: commented on that one PR
<sphalerite>
thanks!
<abbradar>
general rule is "any reading of files in Nix is frown upon unless you have very good reasons, instead see if you can do this in derivation instead"
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<ronny>
abbradar: main question i have now is what bug to report where
<abbradar>
ronny: I think NixOS first
<abbradar>
we have a pretty... nonstandard packaging for GDM
<ronny>
abbradar: i reported, i beleive we an close the other one now
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<abbradar>
ronny: check if nouveau works, just in case
<abbradar>
(we can close this one anyway because it's about bumblebee)
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] Mic92 closed pull request #24166: Fix mkdir for fetchgx to not throw an exception (master...fix-mkdir-in-fetchgx) https://git.io/vyAdN
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<ronny>
gnome and kde have a conflict for a package
<abbradar>
ronny: you shouldn't need the full kde
<abbradar>
only sddm
<Mic92>
for all nixpkgs mainainer: git config alias.pr '!pr() { git fetch origin pull/$1/head:pr-$1; git checkout pr-$1; }; pr'
<Mic92>
example -> git pr 24155
<ronny>
abbradar: i enabled plasma5 just to see if i could go kde again later
<ronny>
but it fails to build
<ronny>
i reported a issue and will continue without for now
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] carlosdagos opened pull request #24175: documentation: expand on creating USB bootable for OS X. (master...osx-bootable-usb) https://git.io/vyxEN
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<abbradar>
ronny: this one should be simple to fix actually
<ronny>
hmm
<abbradar>
give me a minute
<ronny>
fml, sddm fils to start gnome3
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<simpson>
ndowens08: "Window manager" is a specific bit of technical jargon to refer to a specific X11 client which manages other X11 clients via the window manager interface.
<ndowens08>
I am on unstable small for faster updates
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 5 new commits to release-17.03: https://git.io/vyx26
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 6448a3e Evan Danaher: nginx: Add alias configuration option for hosts and locations....
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 4bea988 Evan Danaher: nginx: Assert that either root or alias is null....
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 84561b0 Evan Danaher: nginx: disallow alias directive on server level; it doesn't work....
<abbradar>
globin: are logs compessed?
<ndowens08>
I can see that. I just see X listed as one type and another as Y. 😊when looking up a certain one
<abbradar>
I tried curl'ing one and got binary on my face :D
<ronny>
btw, is anyone working on something like system level waylnd?
<ndowens08>
My view is wmis lighter and de as heavier
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to staging-17.03: https://git.io/vyxae
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging-17.03 80888e2 Nikolay Amiantov: mesa: enable texture floats by default...
<dash>
simpson: i tried kde for the first time in years when i installed nixos
<dash>
lsat month
<simpson>
dash: How long did you last?
<ronny>
dash: whats your impression?
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to release-17.03: https://git.io/vyxaq
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 128837a Carlos D: Expand on creating USB bootable for OS X...
<ndowens08>
I never used default. The one that starts xterm
<dash>
it's technically impressive with a lot of nice features
<dash>
but i didn't need any of them
<dash>
so i switched back to awesome
<abbradar>
if you want a "mainstream DE" KDE is probably the best choice now -- our support for it is good
<abbradar>
(thanks to ttuegel)
<ndowens08>
I use awesome/bspwm
<abbradar>
also XFCE is nice. I actually have XFCE with "frontend" gutted and replaced with xmonad+taffybar
<abbradar>
it didn't update in years and it just works
<dash>
if i wasn't going to use awesome i would probably use MATE
<ndowens08>
I updated awesome some days ago. Dunno if it has available to download yet
<abbradar>
dash: do we have MATE?
<dash>
but i haven't tried it on nixos
<dash>
abbradar: i don't know!
<Mic92>
abbradar: it is not complete
<dash>
oh and I finally had to learn lua for work
<dash>
so i should try customizing awesome now
<Mic92>
a "mate" of me currently to add all compoments to MATE
<abbradar>
Mic92: oh, I didn't know
<ndowens08>
4.1 has theme features in it
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<ndowens08>
No idea when it will be available to download as an update in unstable small
<socksy>
hey, can anyone recommend a gui client for postgres that's already in the nixos repos?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nix] edolstra pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vyxws
<NixOS_GitHub>
nix/master e1e49c5 Eelco Dolstra: Only use cache.nixos.org when the store is /nix/store...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nix/master aa23bba Eelco Dolstra: Fix tests to reflect the signed-binary-caches default change
<Nafai>
socksy: I haven't done a ton with PG, but I see that pgAdmin is in the nixos repos
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin closed pull request #24171: Remove old version of sbt because of the latest sbt update (master...remove-old-version-of-sbt) https://git.io/vyxO1
<abbradar>
niksnut: is you think of disabling it let's use sysctl instead
<abbradar>
I think if you disable it in kernel one can't reenable it
<abbradar>
if*
<abbradar>
(i have no opinion on whether this is a good feature)
<niksnut>
I'm going to revert, I absolutely hated this on OS X and I don't want it on systems where I want to develop
<abbradar>
why not sysctl?
<abbradar>
this way it will be disabled by default but one can enable it if wishes
<ndowens08>
I would vote for that abbradar
<niksnut>
because being able to debug a system should be the default
<ndowens08>
Choice 😀
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<abbradar>
niksnut: if you disable it in kernel one can't reenable it at all, but if you disable it on NixOS by default one can "sysctl.foo.bar = 2" and be happy
<abbradar>
(but I'm only assuming it will disappear if you disable it in kernel, maybe I'm plain wrong)
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] Mic92 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vyxim
<abbradar>
arianvp2_: ...and then nixos-rebuild switch (I forgot)
<abbradar>
both with sudo
<arianvp2_>
ah
<arianvp2_>
with --install-bootloader?
<abbradar>
no, should suffice
<hotfuzz>
Hello all, anyone able to help with a nix-rebuild infinite recursion error? The trace can be seen here https://git.io/vyxyK and my hardware-configuration.nix is https://git.io/vyxS3
<clever>
hotfuzz: and its somehow involved in users.extraUsers
<clever>
ah, which is also in your config
<hotfuzz>
clever: ok I totally missed that output in the trace.
<clever>
hotfuzz: i think the list of supported filesystems has an impact on the available users, automaticaly installing programs (and users) to add fs support
<clever>
and now the fs list depends on the user list
<hotfuzz>
clever: ah okay, so by referencing the config.extraUsers from the filesystem definition I'm creating a circular dependency?
<clever>
thats my first guess
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<dtzWill>
clever: you're so helpful ♥. And clever. ;)
<hotfuzz>
clever: I was a bit surprised by the error as I believe this was working previously
<hotfuzz>
clever: I'll do some hard coding of the filesystems rather than using ${config...} to see if that fixes it
<clever>
hotfuzz: if rpcbind is enabled, the rpc user gets auto-created
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<clever>
hotfuzz: and the status of rpcbind depends on the presense of nfs in the list of supported filesystems, which depends on the entire filesystems attrset
<clever>
hotfuzz: forcing rpcbind to on may break the recursion
<clever>
nope, it doesnt
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<abbradar>
dhess2``: you asked me some time ago about Ethernet on ODROID-XU4
<abbradar>
it's RTL8153 over USB3.0, kernel module is r8152
<abbradar>
I have a gigabit network, it works fine for me (I build a lot on it so it downloads things from cache now)
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nix] edolstra pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vyxdt
<NixOS_GitHub>
nix/master ed5c0f6 Eelco Dolstra: Don't hang in decompression if bzip2 data ends prematurely
<abbradar>
it doesn't launch at all, with or without webengine
<NickHu>
Also, it appears that I've somehow ended up in a situation where my system follows nixos-unstable and my per-user nix configuration follows nixpkgs-unstable - is this sane? See http://lpaste.net/5481571188272529408
<abbradar>
do you see the same error as in the comment?
<abbradar>
NickHu: it's easy to fix but shouldn't be problematic
<NickHu>
abbradar: I know it's not problematic, just wondering if this is a sane choice
<NickHu>
And no, qutebrowser launches fine for me when not using webengine
<abbradar>
NickHu: oh ho... so this is something in my system
<calvertvl>
abbradar: I see "15:37:48 CRITICAL qt Unknown module:none:0 Could not find QtWebEngineProcess" and it otherwise works fine
<NickHu>
calvertvl: +1
<calvertvl>
(without webengine)
<abbradar>
hm, I think I have fixed QtWebEngineProcess
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<abbradar>
NickHu: yep, it should be good if you need something not yet in nixos-unstable
<abbradar>
just don't ust nixpkgs-unstable system-wide
<abbradar>
I tried to dig in QtWebEngine code but it's just usual OpenSSL certificate validation
<abbradar>
nothing that catches the eye
<NickHu>
I feel like if we built it against a newer version of openssl or something it would work
<NickHu>
But I don't really know which component needs changing
<NickHu>
And now on master I can't even get webengine to launch
<abbradar>
i actually can't launch _any_ Qt application
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<sziszi>
guys, I'd really like to get some advice about cups driver/filter management. I'm on the 17.03 release now, and I'd like to use this filter for my printer https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/tree/release-17.03/pkgs/misc/cups/drivers/samsung but it installs the 4.x version, but I need the 1.x version(newer) and in theory this is the default. How can I specify or force to use that specific version?
<abbradar>
(on master)
<McK>
Is there a new release of unstable planned soon? I can't build chrome with flash, though it seems to have been fixed in master
<NickHu>
abbradar: Sounds like your machine is goosed
<clever>
McK: i'm also unable to build chrome with widevine
<abbradar>
NickHu: hope it's not but that noone can't reproduce it is a bad sign D: I'll look at more strace
<NickHu>
Is there any way to get nix to print out the dependency graph of a package for me to look at?
<gchristensen>
NickHu: `man nix-store` look for `--query` and at `--graph` and `--tree`
<clever>
NickHu: nix-store --query --tree
<NickHu>
Ah, great, thanks
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<NickHu>
Wow... dot sure is thinking about this graph for a long time...
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<gchristensen>
it is probably a big graph
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<NickHu>
Anyone know how to change the openssl version used to build qtbase?
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] pbogdan opened pull request #24178: gmtp: init at 1.3.10 (master...gmtp) https://git.io/vypLq
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<spinus>
NickHu: you probably want to override qtbase in nixpkgs, and when you do callPackage you can override openssl package (you can pass your parameter to the function which can be any other version of openssl)
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<kazamatzuri>
hi
<clever>
spinus: but qtbase is an attribute within qt5, and overriding the qtbase passed to other qt utils will be tricky
<spinus>
I see
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<viric>
Is there any lib that allows working with a compressed file, with a full C FILE* kind of interface? Random access and all that.
<viric>
I don't mean a gzip file, or so. It can be its own compression (for random access)
<clever>
viric: i generaly just go zfs for that kind of thing
<viric>
:)
<ronny>
viric: typically those suck and come expensive, what do you want to implement?
<clever>
viric: and if real-onlu is an option, squashfs
<viric>
squashfs is kernel-related
<viric>
I used the fuse cromfs as well
<viric>
But I thought of a lib
<viric>
For a program that create and consume that file, and does not expect sysadmin intervention
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<ronny>
viric: again, whats the actual use case, strangely compress a random file is not a reasonable use-case ^^
<viric>
I'm amazed with zstd... and I wanted things done with zstd
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] vcunat pushed 3 new commits to staging-17.03: https://git.io/vypmK
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging-17.03 3a4038a Thomas Tuegel: mesa: allow overriding driver compilation...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging-17.03 ef94c6d Nikolay Amiantov: mesa: enable texture floats only for drivers...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging-17.03 cd3fb46 Vladimír Čunát: mesa: maintenance 17.0.1 -> 17.0.2...
<viric>
ronny: I think of a mbox
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<ronny>
viric: that would be horrendous to store universally compressed
* gchristensen
has too many horror stories about mbox to go back to it
<ronny>
viric: but its also not an answer of your use-case
<joepie91>
when running something in WINE, I get this error: err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your 32-bit OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly (using GL renderer "AMD Radeon R7 200 Series ", version "1.4 (2.1 (4.5.13416 Compatibility Profile Context 15.302))").
<joepie91>
any suggestions?
<joepie91>
(the "something" is Alpha Centauri)
<ronny>
joepie91: did you enable 32 bit opengl bindings?
<joepie91>
(also, the process exits after that)
<joepie91>
ronny: I *think* I did... remind me what the correct way is to do that?
<joepie91>
(on NixOS)
<viric>
ronny: Maybe I could use a compressed file with a LD_PRELOAD thing or so
<viric>
gchristensen: I use read-only mboxe
<viric>
s
<clever>
joepie91: hardware.32bit something in configuration.nix
<ronny>
viric: again, still not explaining your actual use-case, if you where a customer i'd have to send you out for wasting my time
<joepie91>
driSupport32Bit?
<viric>
ronny: send me out, I don't mind
<ronny>
hardware.opengl.driSupport32Bit = true;
<clever>
joepie91: thats the one
<joepie91>
odd. I thought I had this, but I can't find it in my config
<joepie91>
something about 'assumptions'... :)
<ronny>
viric: bascially if you ask vauge random questions about solutions that may not even fit the problem you are being a jerk thats wasting everyones time ^^ ask for the real problem already
<viric>
ronny: feel free to put me in your ignore list, as I did.
<contrapumpkin>
viric: ZipFile in Python?
<contrapumpkin>
:)
<simpson>
viric: Read or write? I imagine that it depends quite a bit on the specific compression format. Do you have a use-case?
<viric>
contrapumpkin: it lacks seek() per-file I see
<viric>
Well, there is a mod of sqlite with online compression, and there are plenty of oportunities for that.
<joepie91>
clever: oh, I wasn't aware of the extra check
<simpson>
viric: That sounds like a terrible level to have to work at. Have you considered not having mboxes?
<joepie91>
if it actually validates the hash of the resulting file it should be fine :)
<contrapumpkin>
lol
<viric>
simpson: where do you store email? :)
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<viric>
See qcow in qemu. There is qcow with compression.
<simpson>
viric: Mostly, I don't. I hear many of my peers discussing systems that process email at scale; it sounds like there are dedicated systems for processing medium-to-large amounts of email, but I've never worked with any.
<dhess`>
viric: all the cool kids have been using Maildirs for years.
<viric>
maildirs for storage mean lots of files to read. Very slow in any normal fs.
<dash>
viric: only if you have to read them all
<avn>
viric: zfs is pretty fine for maildir (with gzip-9)
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] Mic92 closed pull request #23769: renderdoc: init at version 0.34pre (master...renderdoc) https://git.io/vyKfQ
<clever>
viric: qcow compression is a bit simpler, because its already treating it as a block device, there are more logical places to do the compression blocks, though you still need an index to allow seeking
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<viric>
dhess`: 2000 messages? ehem
<contrapumpkin>
dhess`: is emacs happy now?
<dash>
viric: ... on a 200MHz/80MB RAM host :)
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<dhess`>
viric: Look at the graphs for search, delete, fetch, ec. up to 10k messages. Also, look at the trend lines.
<viric>
I tested zfs with git-annex and I concluded that it was not faster. It "looked like" faster because it had an on-disk cache
<dhess`>
viric: in any case, you keep knocking back every suggestion. OK then. Good luck!
<dhess`>
contrapumpkin: yes, works great. I've been testing it for a few days.
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<contrapumpkin>
cool
<dhess`>
contrapumpkin: I think that PR was commited, yes?
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<contrapumpkin>
dhess`: yup, I just don't use it so I don't know if it works proeprly :)
<viric>
dhess`: well, I use maildir & mbox. Maildir for "current year", and mbox for "previous years". I find mbox processing much faster. But I will test more.
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<avn>
viric: nah, for immutable archives mbox is pretty ok ;)
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<viric>
avn: I agree
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<avn>
viric: another hint for zfs performance -- turn dedup off before write ;)
<viric>
I always used dedup off for zfs. But I dropped zfs once I knew that all the impression I had for its "good performance" was only online-cache.
<viric>
ondisk-cache, sorry
<avn>
you mean ssd cache I feel ;)
<viric>
no no
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<viric>
I don't have any ssd
<avn>
well they have ARC (in memory adaprive cache) and L2ARC (optionally) which is on SSD (or other faster block device)
<clever>
also, the L2ARC is basicaly just a dedicated swap for the main ARC
<clever>
so the L2ARC is essentialy lost upon reboot
<avn>
yes
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<viric>
is it? hm
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<viric>
what I experienced was good after reboot, for what I recall.
<clever>
then it has to rebuild both arcs at bootup, via normal on-demand reads
<avn>
I found zfs perfect, expect cases when it massive io burst, which follow to memory starvation
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/vypcN
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging 8143413 Frederik Rietdijk: pythonPackages.pygobject2: fixup conversation to buildPythonPackage
<avn>
so kernel derivations in nixos can kill machine if it have not much free memory at time of build (I think some tunables can prevent it, but idk them)
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[nixpkgs] FRidh pushed 1 new commit to staging-17.03: https://git.io/vypCW
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging-17.03 7e22474 Frederik Rietdijk: pythonPackages.pygobject2: fixup conversation to buildPythonPackage...
<clever>
avn: my main issue with zfs is not just maching killing lag, but entirely locking up
<clever>
but i suspect it might be hardware related, i use zfs on 5 machines, and only 1 does it
<gchristensen>
for those following along with my docker + nixos-container + bridge networking saga ... "It is not just that Docker is updating the FORWARD chain (especially reinserting the DOCKER-ISOLATION rule on top) on startup, but also each time a container is started! I ended up adding a cron job triggered each minute, that resets my iptables rules to be on top of the FORWARD chain." --
<avn>
clever: I think is de-facto out of memory issue bound to some locking problems. (all ZIO threads become interlocked, but it happens only on memory starvation conditions)
<dtzWill>
gchristensen: LOL :/
<clever>
avn: it does tend to happen under high memory usage, but only on the machine with the most ram, heh
<gchristensen>
dtzWill: right?? 1.12.X -> 1.13.0 changed the FORWARD chain from ACCEPT to DROP with no way to tell it not to
<clever>
avn: the low-ram systems have never had that problem, and always go into swap-hell, and eventualy recover
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<clever>
gchristensen: ive found that defaulting the input chain to accept to be a mild security problem, while reloading the rules, you are open to any packet
<gchristensen>
yeah, sure, fair enough
<avn>
clever: well, 16g is not so low ram system ;)
<gchristensen>
but dammit my rules are configured intentionally, not just willy-nilly
<gchristensen>
and there it goes just screwing it up :(
<clever>
avn: the 16gig machine is the one with the problem, and it happens any time chromium is using a decent amount of ram
<clever>
avn: but i have a laptop with 3gig of ram, that has never locked up, it just goes into swap-hell under over-use
<avn>
clever: hehe, swap-on-zfs can add some fun ;)
<clever>
avn: and for that reason, i never put swap on zfs, not even a zvol
<avn>
I think I try to off these swap, and put it on place of l2arc for some time
<clever>
avn: the laptop is zfs on lvm on luks, so i can put the swap in lvm and share the luks device
<avn>
clever: I thik it will be fixed, but not before 0.7 will be released
<clever>
avn: the desktop has 4 swap partitions, spread over several SSD's
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<schoppenhauer>
I want to use pale moon. However, the problem is, it is not in stable yet. I can probably install it with -f, but then, I will not get upgrades automatically. Adding a second channel will upgrade all my packages. Thats not what I want, either. Currently I have a shell for this.
<calvertvl>
gchristensen: can you run docker with --iptables=false ?
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<gchristensen>
that breaks all the other networking functionality
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<schoppenhauer>
I get the error message "error: anonymous function at /home/christoph/nobackup/nixos-unstable/nixpkgs/pkgs/applications/editors/android-studio/default.nix:1:1 called with unexpected argument ‘jdk’, at /home/christoph/nobackup/nixos-unstable/nixpkgs/lib/customisation.nix:56:12" when trying to install via -f
<ndowens08>
oh ok, was on my phone and left shortly after
<calvertvl>
gchristensen: https://github.com/irsl/dfwfw <- this may help (reads docker event stream and generates firewall rules, so you can customize)
<calvertvl>
not sure I've seen anything better for that purpose
<viric>
clever: I wish I found a lib like that, yes :)
<viric>
avn: zfs compresses only separated 4k blocks, isn't it?
<gchristensen>
calvertvl: I'm just going to stop using docker for this purpose, it is unfit for the particular task, anyway.
<gchristensen>
calvertvl: thank you, though :)
<clever>
viric: when using gzip, you can freely scale from -1 to -9, the other algos dont have those options
<viric>
clever: that's for the compression window, but I mean the disk blocks. What is the size of every block before compression?
<avn>
viric: $recordsize blocks, so with default 128k block it have chance that whole mail compressed at once
<viric>
ok
<avn>
viric: is not my hypotesis, folks on #zfsonlinux tell me that ;)
<clever>
and you can freely change the recordsize
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<viric>
but gzip is so slow for little size benefit...
<avn>
Also they told, that if len($file) lesser than recordsize, file would take exact one record, rounded up only on size of ashift (physical block of backing device)
<viric>
(I like zstd a lot!)
<clever>
viric: ive recently been informed of lz4's insane byte/sec rates
<avn>
viric: lz4 suggested as default compression now
<viric>
clever: but zstd compresses much more
<avn>
so I have lz4 for all, except torrents volume (none) and maildir volume (gzip-9)
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<viric>
yes, I only tried zfs with lz4
<clever>
ive also heard, that the metadata in zfs always uses 128 bit ints, and it takes advantage of metadata compression to hide the cost
<smw>
clever, good news, awesome news, and bad news. good news: Dezgeg created an image that works on rpi3. awesome news: aarch64 is in hydra. bad news, no wifi on rpi3 XD
<clever>
smw: i believe the wifi is over sdio on the rpi3
<smw>
clever, I saw sdio mentioned. I don't know what that means
<ndowens08>
I am working on the munion security one
<viric>
smw: great
<clever>
smw: its a general-purpose bus (like usb) but over the SD card interface
<smw>
clever, that is... odd.
<clever>
smw: at one time, it was used to plug cameras into PDA's and such
<viric>
I used a sdio wifi with nixos
<avn>
if someone wants try to have /nix on zfs I can suggest have separate boot, or at least copyKernels = true, even if your /boot on same zfs as / (grub can't handle /nix/store/.links)
<avn>
and also I can say, that .links relinking more effective than dedup
<clever>
avn: i just assumed grub cant deal with zfs and always went with ext4 /boot
<avn>
clever: It can, but with some restictions
<viric>
smw: sdio wifi is quite common in embedded systems
<viric>
Haven't you seen µSD-shape wifi cards?
<avn>
I need to figure out, what 255g in dedup tables as singles, and move out them
<viric>
that was a common way to give network to PDAs
<avn>
Also I curious, what file counted as 2k dupes ;)
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] ndowens opened pull request #24182: munin: 2.0.30 -> 2.0.33; for CVE-2017-6188 (master...munin) https://git.io/vypuU
<clever>
avn: find -inum can search by inode number, and all things in the hardlink share an inode
<avn>
clever: is not hardlinks, it from `zdb -DD tank` ;) IDK may be ZDB can dig it out ;)
<clever>
avn: ah, yeah, that sounds harder to track down
<ndowens08>
gchristensen: i updated munion for that CVE, didnt mark as done as it hasnt been reviewed/pushed
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] primeos pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vypzC
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 8727702 Michael Weiss: gpgme: Drop multiple outputs (dev and info)...
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master b276521 Michael Weiss: fwknop: init at 2.6.9...
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] abbradar pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vypru
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master dec8fb0 Nikolay Amiantov: qt5.qtwebengine: fix library paths...
<abbradar>
NickHu, calvertvl: ^ this should fix qutebrowser+qtwebengine
<NickHu>
abbradar: The ssl errors too?
<abbradar>
NickHu: nope, sadly
<abbradar>
(or maybe it does but I didn't check yet -- qtwebengine is a beast to build)
<abbradar>
the same patch fixed this process not found problem for 5.7
<abbradar>
I just backported it
<NickHu>
Okay, well I am rebuilding the whole of qtbase with openssl 1.10 so I will let you know if that helps
<abbradar>
nice!
<NickHu>
It has taken hours...
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] abbradar pushed 1 new commit to release-17.03: https://git.io/vyprN
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 844c4fa Nikolay Amiantov: qt5.qtwebengine: fix library paths...
<primeos[m]>
calvertvl: oh, indeed - I'm so sorry, I didn't notice that... :o
<primeos[m]>
should I better revert both commits or change fwupd?
<calvertvl>
not sure what makes more sense, I just saw the error when watching the build for a PR
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] LnL7 opened pull request #24185: atomicparsley: fix build with llvm 4 (master...atomicparsley-clang) https://git.io/vypo3
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<ndowens08>
gchristensen: Hey I created a patch for pax-utils, i downloaded the release and then cloned the git master and made a diff, is that ok?
<ndowens08>
if so it is ready for PR, it built atleast, but would want someone/some to review
<primeos[m]>
I think reverting 872770286d04cadb9816cd1665d3d5f17adce456 might be appropriate even though fwupd seems the only package affected, I did something stupid without realizing... :o
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<ndowens08>
it had two commits, so thought just diff release and master would be simple to take care of the CVE
<smw_>
viric: hey, sorry I left abruptly. Fire alarm went off at the end of the day.
<viric>
smw_: I forgot the topic
<smw_>
viric: sdio wifi
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<smw_>
viric: anyways, got any tips on making an sdio wifi work? I know the broadcom chipset used as well as the fact it is over sdio
<viric>
smw_: the sdio wifi I used in linux was not broadcom
<viric>
smw_: you basically need kernel drivers + firmware.
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyp6e
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 242031a Robin Gloster: mutter: fix on i686-linux
<ndowens08>
gchristensen: ping
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] globin pushed 1 new commit to release-17.03: https://git.io/vyp6Y
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-17.03 fb4dced Robin Gloster: mutter: fix on i686-linux...
<smw_>
viric: might be easer to just buy a usb wifi module :-P
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] primeos pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vyp68
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 4e29638 Michael Weiss: Revert "gpgme: Drop multiple outputs (dev and info)"...
<primeos[m]>
calvertvl: Everything should be fine now, thank you so much for letting me know!
<calvertvl>
primeos[m]: you're welcome :)
<adelbertc>
"Haskell packages who’s Nix name (second column) begins with a haskell- prefix are packages that provide a library whereas packages without that prefix provide just executables. Libraries may provide executables too, though: the package haskell-pandoc, for example, installs both a library and an application." <-- is this still true? For instance, if I drop
<adelbertc>
into `nix-repl '<nixpkgs>'` and tab on haskellPackages.haskell-pan I don't see it
<smw_>
viric: hm... I think my rpi died overnight...
<smw_>
viric: had to hard restart
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] ndowens opened pull request #24186: pax-utils: Out of bounds read fix (master...pax-utils) https://git.io/vyp6j
<ndowens08>
if anyone looks at that one, i left a msg in it on motivation reason
<ndowens08>
gchristensen: i think that is all the ones i can do
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<ndowens08>
the audiofile one doesn't have an update or link to patch so idk
<gchristensen>
ndowens08: <3 thank you!
<smw_>
viric: gah, each time the rpi reboots, it changes its mac
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<ndowens08>
about to get off here, at least from PC, storm is coming
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