<MichaelRaskin>
But then had problems with a channel
<samueldr>
it's still having some troubles
<samueldr>
it'S been impounded
<pie_>
lel , oof ; On 13 April 2021 canal authorities announced that the ship had been seized on court orders until the owners paid $900 million dollars.[36]
<gchristensen>
yields uncaught exception building ‘/nix/store/40fq788ks8vid0ly2ka53l73z808rlc9-ros-melodic-novatel-oem7-driver-2.1.0-r1.drv’ on ‘localhost’: std::bad_alloc
<pie_>
etu: also wow someone is bored and looking to troll
<etu>
pie_: I hear RMS tears ;)
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<lukegb>
also arguably wrong in a bunch of those cases
<lukegb>
e.g. the size of the siginfo_t struct wouldn't change based on whether it's a GNU userland or a BSD userland, right? :P
<gchristensen>
right
<gchristensen>
some but not all of our GNU/ prefixes are not really releant
<gchristensen>
for example, Nix works on non-GNU Linux
<philipp[m]>
Maybe we could fork the gnu userland and call it STandard Forked Userland and thus end the debate by creating STFU/Linux?
<lukegb>
for most programs I suspect the GNU/ prefix would mean specifically "uses GNU extensions to POSIX utilities when shelling out" or "relies on behaviours that are glibc specific"
<gchristensen>
oh ... great ... I'm expecting 3" of snow tomorrow
<eyJhb>
philipp[m]++
<{^_^}>
philipp[m]'s karma got increased to 3
<eyJhb>
Support that idea
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: Do you want to build a snoooooowpeersoooon
<gchristensen>
lol
<gchristensen>
I want to build as summerperson
<eyJhb>
Dirtpeople? :p
<gchristensen>
I want to be on my porch drinking a leinenkugel's summer shandy
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: soon (tm) soon ;)
<eyJhb>
Also.. How many of you should go to hell and uses emojis in your passwords? Didn't really think of it until now.
<gchristensen>
most password boxes can't even properly deal with passwords too long that are pasted in, I'm not trying emojis
<eyJhb>
I just tried with a danish site, bilbasen.dk, worked on mobile and laptop :D BUt I don't trust them to work over larger amounts of time.
<MichaelRaskin>
lukegb: given our reliance on bashisms, that indeed makes Nixpkgs primary platform GNU/Linux
<lukegb>
MichaelRaskin: :(((
<MichaelRaskin>
lukegb: is there a BSD userland that will be happy to run on Linux kernel? I mean actual BSD-style, not BSD-licensed Android horror
<aleph->
gchristensen: I mean you can still be on your porch drinking a shandy
<aleph->
Just watching the snow fall
<aleph->
I feel I've ossified to early in life.
<aleph->
I already yearn for a porch and a comfortable rocking chair
<gchristensen>
if I'm on the porch watching snow fall I want a porter
<aleph->
Heh very specific
<aleph->
I'll take a nice cider either way
<gchristensen>
oh sure
<aleph->
Or a coffee with some cheap whiskey splashed in
<gchristensen>
winter is forever here, I need to enjoy different things at different times of the year :P
<aleph->
Heheheh
<MichaelRaskin>
Seasons? I am slowly making peace with the idea that these switches between clear summer and clear winter can continue in Bavaria however long they want
<LinuxHackerman>
Really? I thought that's just April.
<LinuxHackerman>
Though yeah this is a very extreme case of April.
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, it started in February
<MichaelRaskin>
If this case of April is symmetric, and we get a similar October that covers like entire year, no?
<infinisil>
Oof, this night I dreamed that one of our cats caught a mouse, then brought it into my bed, leaving blood smears all along the way, including the mattress
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<__monty__>
I'm sorry to say Mrs Europe, but your case of Aprilits looks like it's developing into a case of mayosis.
<{^_^}>
blue origin ns-15 mission webcast starts in ~6 Minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=domwsgorRW0&feature=emb_title: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
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* infinisil
tunes in
<lukegb>
MichaelRaskin: I don't know but it'd be fun to try
<philipp[m]>
Actual launch in t-47, will reping around t-10.
<MichaelRaskin>
lukegb: I am not sure BSD approach to system development is even compatible with such a task…
<MichaelRaskin>
Would it even be a true BSD userland!
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<pie_>
any advice for regenerating some network configs and restarting services when interfaces change?
<pie_>
(besides avoid it if you can - which I _might_ be able to)
<MichaelRaskin>
Re: BO — is it in truth a «reliability stats» launch, or is there something new to look for?
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<philipp[m]>
They are holding at T-10:45 for a really long time, I might have to leave before they launch.
<pie_>
wow. im stumped by a simple mkderivation
<pie_>
its not applying patches and im not sure why
<{^_^}>
blue origin T-10: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
<{^_^}>
go for launch, terminal countdown t-10 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=domwsgorRW0: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
<hexa->
:p
<gchristensen>
nice
<hexa->
wasn't sure you were still around
* infinisil
tunes in again
<gchristensen>
nobody is in there right?
<gchristensen>
they're just imagining+
<philipp[m]>
There was crew in there but only for countdown testing. They all left again at t-30. Now there's only a dummy.
<infinisil>
Liftoff!
<infinisil>
They didn't wanna let her go for the first couple seconds eh
<infinisil>
Metric units -.-
<infinisil>
I mean, imperial units -.-
<philipp[m]>
They count like arianespace where t0 is engine ignition.
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, even SpaceX uses kph for stage velocities for some reason…
<gchristensen>
BO probably does too internally
<infinisil>
mps > kph > mph
<MichaelRaskin>
I hope neither does!
<gchristensen>
ohlol right
<MichaelRaskin>
If you need things to work, you count mps
<gchristensen>
kmpd
<lukegb>
clearly miles per second > kilomiles per hours > meters per hour
<MichaelRaskin>
flpfn
<infinisil>
Lol
<philipp[m]>
No love for nautical miles and knots here?
<infinisil>
lightyears per year
<infinisil>
But, accounted for the medium
<infinisil>
Damn, it landed!
<philipp[m]>
And didn't go boo!
<infinisil>
Was a bit wobble, but that was smooth!
<__monty__>
Wow, just in time for the landing, thanks! : )
<Ke>
at least lightyears per year is handy to input to relativistic corrections
<MichaelRaskin>
It landed much less wobbly than usual
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<hexa->
the inflation was nice
<Ke>
are there no decent people just watching it for the explosions?
<infinisil>
Their drone footage is really awesome
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<MichaelRaskin>
Ke: it's BO
<MichaelRaskin>
It's New Shepard
<gchristensen>
Ke: I hope for explosions ... :)
<Ke>
BO?
<MichaelRaskin>
They do not change enough for a meaningful risk of explosion
<MichaelRaskin>
Blue Origin
<philipp[m]>
And they don't really push the envelope at all with new shepard.
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, first flight/first reflight were a convincing step
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<MichaelRaskin>
But since then it looks like they are just polishing the g's and collecting reliability stats
<philipp[m]>
I guess exploding millionaire customers is expensive.
<gchristensen>
are they going to do commercial stuff too?
<MichaelRaskin>
Apparently next flight should be inhabited and then maybe they will finally actually do tourism?
<MichaelRaskin>
Eventually they promise to build a pretty large orbital-class rocket
<philipp[m]>
gchristensen: yes, that vehicle is purely built for tourism.
<{^_^}>
#112928 (by baloo, 8 weeks ago, open): stdenv: provide a deterministically built gcc
<rmcgibbo[m]>
is there any marking on packages that are reproducible in meta that indicates that they are?
<infinisil>
Don't think so
<rmcgibbo[m]>
e.g. i could make nixpkgs-review check to prevent backsliding in the future.
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<rmcgibbo[m]>
if i'm understanding `pkgs/top-level/ruby-packages.nix` correctly, it doesn't look like we ever patch ruby packages, right? (i've never contributed to nixpkgs's ruby infra).
<rmcgibbo[m]>
so if i wanted to fix the ruby-racc one, i think i would just have to file an upstream PR and wait for them to do a new release.
<samueldr>
I think there's a parallel with Nix and making filesystem and disk images
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<samueldr>
♥ nix, since I can refactor the tooling and rely on the store paths being unchanged meaning I at least did not break the current implementation
<samueldr>
imagine a tooling that rebuilds things even if the input hasn't changed
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<cole-h>
pls no
<lukegb>
samueldr: worse, imagine tooling that _doesn't_ rebuild things even if the input has changed
<samueldr>
worse?
<samueldr>
depending on how you interpret this, it may or may not be worse :)
<samueldr>
e.g. content-addressed store
<samueldr>
inputs have technically changed, but all intermediary results are the same
<samueldr>
did input change or not?
<samueldr>
but yes, at face value I don't like your thought
<lukegb>
(I'm mostly thinking about most hand-written Makefiles that don't take into account things like the Makefile itself changing)