<hexa->
link scoped addresses are not qualified enough to give them a proper name
<ajs124>
the problem is, if I put the link address without the interface (zone?) into hosts, that doesn't work either
<ajs124>
so I guess, just don't use them for anything ever? except OSPFv3 and then you have proper addresses
<hexa->
interface qualifier?
<hexa->
you can use them for bgp
<hexa->
what are you trying to use them for?
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<ajs124>
anything I'd use any other kind of ip address for? idk tbh
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<hexa->
yeah, so they're link scoped
<hexa->
so their use is limited, but has its benefits?
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<ajs124>
yeah. in my case, they're always up, as soon as the virtual link is up. whereas the whichever scope the other addresses are need to be propagated etc first.
<hexa->
you mean DAD?
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<ajs124>
Duplicate Address Detection? don't think so, no
<ajs124>
propagated as in, waiting for OSPF to do it's thing
<ldlework>
pie_: it's ts
<pie_>
kinda guessed afterwards
<pie_>
its the only popular language i can guess at :p
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is ashamed of wondering if there's a #nixos-m1
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<gchristensen>
colemickens: whew
* pie_
mumbles somethin about hungarian highways
<samueldr>
I don't think it's needed as a channel
<ajs124>
is there a hydra channel btw?
<ajs124>
I wanted to whine earlier, because hydra wasn't picking up changes in one of my git inputs, but then I just cleared the SCM cache, so I "solved" it
<samueldr>
#nixos / #nixos-dev usually AFAIK
<gchristensen>
I sit in #nixos-hydra but nobody ever talks in there. ever.
<pie_>
and the exception reinforce the rule
<gchristensen>
it is for the best
<gchristensen>
gonna setup an idlerpg bot in there
<pie_>
haha
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<elvishjerricco>
I just accidentally mounted an empty fs over / so now I can't run any programs
<samueldr>
don't do that? :)
<samueldr>
oh, you can't even look at /proc to try to fetch a busybox
<elvishjerricco>
Yea. I thought it'd be a fun exercise to try and recover from this rather than rebooting, but then I realized that EVERYTHING is invisible. I couldn't even use bash builtins and piping to write to the systemd socket or something crazy
<samueldr>
yep
<colemickens>
I didn't know there was a nixos-hydra. I totally would've talked to you
<colemickens>
but you already told me the good secrets!
<pie_>
elvishjerricco: can you poke memory with sysrqs
<elvishjerricco>
I dunno, I rebooted :ap
<elvishjerricco>
:P*
<pie_>
(im 99% sur thats not a thing, and itd be disabled on nixos anyway since all sysrqs are disabled by default and i will be forever salty about that)
<Batou>
Heh
<siraben>
*test*
<siraben>
foo
<samueldr>
ugh
<siraben>
Oh interesting, so to get asterisks across via Element I have to escape them
<siraben>
otherwise they appear plain for IRC users
<siraben>
`curious`
* colemickens
has complicated feelings about matrix and the irc bridge
<colemickens>
they get so much flak for it, I really have ot wonder if the investment in it is appropriately sized. it's turned a number of people off of matrix altogether, seemingly
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<siraben>
How so?
<siraben>
Is it the netsplits?
<samueldr>
I would assume the all of it
<samueldr>
death by a thousand papercuts
<samueldr>
when you tab complete usernames on the matrix-side, it completes as "full names" on irc
<samueldr>
not matching the irc nickname
<samueldr>
links for long messages isn't great, especially without a previous
<samueldr>
the "presence" part is odd, the "netsplit" thing you talked about, but also the fact someone can "be" in a channel, but not be on the irc side until they speak
<siraben>
Oh interesting
<siraben>
And yet all three of us are bridged via Matrix :P
<siraben>
I don't have a bouncer set up, so this is a significant improvement over reconnecting when I used ERC in the past
<samueldr>
I am not on matrix
<samueldr>
but yeah, I can see how it must be an improvement in that situation
<siraben>
Ah so the boldface message you sent was just via some control code?
<samueldr>
yes :)
<samueldr>
I also wanted to mess with you
<colemickens>
it's not a complaint I have, but one I've seen often enough, from unique people, from unique perspectives, that I have to assume it's legitimate
<siraben>
samueldr: teehee
<colemickens>
(I also am in the camp of finding it a generally massive ux improvement over prior irc setups)
<siraben>
colemickens: is there a way people can donate to it? I'd like to see less outages and I've used it far too much I feel obligated to contribute something to its maintenance
<samueldr>
oh, and my issues are from the irc perspective
<samueldr>
I heard it's annoying to do IRC stuff on the matrix side
<samueldr>
but have not had any experience with it
<colemickens>
it can be! there are different ways to make a room and seemingly no way to convert once you've done one, at least, to the honest best of my understanding.
<colemickens>
I still just message the freenode bot thing to invite me to rooms because joining them otherwise is ... iffy at best.
<samueldr>
I know LinuxHackerman had issues yesterday getting identified with nickserv
<samueldr>
well, I think, maybe it was carelessness?
* colemickens
is actually surprised to see he's still in his oftc rooms. that often doesn't work
<siraben>
I wonder how the bridge handles deletion of messages
<siraben>
test
<siraben>
colemickens: is it still visible on the matrix side?
<samueldr>
heh, that's just impossible on irc
<siraben>
Indeed
<siraben>
One of the most annoying features of Discord IMO is lack of ability to shut off deletion of messages in servers
<siraben>
I want full retention
<colemickens>
no, I see a "message deleted" with a little trash can icon
<colemickens>
then I go "nixos irc logs" on google ;)
<ashkitten>
i use matrix but not for irc
<ashkitten>
irc via matrix is just not there
<Ke>
matrix does preserve the message, client may choose to not show it, afaik
<Ke>
iirc some clients did allow you to view deleted messages
<colemickens>
I get all sorts of vmbus spam all the time, and then today ext4 errors and zsh_history errors.
<colemickens>
literally the third different type of media I've had corruption with while using latest linux under hyperv
<ashkitten>
Ke: iirc matrix will replace the redacted event with a sparse version
<ashkitten>
so it doesn't break anything referencing it
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<LinuxHackerman>
Yeah, I had difficulty authenticating because the bridge, for reasons unknown to me, fires commands at NickServ after connecting, rather than using SASL during the connection
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<eyJhb>
x-post nixos-dev: V the state had my name is "<my real name> (ung under 18)`, for YEARS. (ung under 18 -> young under 18). I think up until I was 23 or something... :D
<V>
lmao
<V>
etu: no, it's a very normal sounding name
<eyJhb>
V: So you just took like a general name and changed to that?
<eyJhb>
BUt use your birthname as your, nickname, I guess?
<V>
it turns out that people don't like it if you use a UUID
<V>
(I have not tested this)
<eyJhb>
Not allowed to use it in DK, as it needs to be on a approved list of names I think
<eyJhb>
And your LASTNAME, then you either need to be born into it, or more than 500 people need to have it so it is "public"
<V>
eyJhb: No, my name is V. That's how I introduce myself, is what I put in the display field wherever possible, what everyone I talk to IRL calls me by. My legal (or "real", which means nothing here) name is a completely unremarkable combination of names that are common for people of my age and ethnicity, but chosen by fair dice roll^W^W^WPRNG.
<V>
The ironic thing here is that anyone who insists on having my "real name" is actually getting the very furthest possible thing
<eyJhb>
Meeting someone in real life, you always get the thing.. Where.. Should you use their real name, or online nick? ( etu , talyz :p )
<eyJhb>
V: But understandable :)
<V>
Why do I do this, you might ask? The answer is very simple: form validation is annoying and I don't have the time to waste on convincing people that my name is real lmao
<V>
Thankfully there is nothing inherent about a name that lets a human tell if it's "real", so making up something that sounds like they expect one to will fool them
<Synthetica>
PGP-signed names when
<V>
never
<V>
terrible idea
<etu>
Huuuh
<etu>
Someone called my on the phone saying it was some kind of bank and asking me by my old legal name and email that I haven't used in almost 5 years.
<etu>
When I said that It's correct but outdated they hung up.
<V>
Sounds like the scammers got to your info
<talyz>
...five years late
<V>
probably in some database somewhere that's kept around for "auditing purposes"
<eyJhb>
If the Swedish gorvernment is like the Danish, there might be a shit ton of info on Google.
<talyz>
eyJhb: yeah, it can be a bit confusing :p
<talyz>
eyJhb: I tend to use online nicks (if pronounceable), at least initially
<talyz>
eyJhb: ..but sometimes the "real name" sticks better :)
<V>
Why not both™
<eyJhb>
V: Because try to pronounce my nick I guess :p
<V>
ayjehab
<eyJhb>
Pretty much how it goes most of the time. I don't think it is pleasant :p
<eyJhb>
talyz: I think my firstname is more common in Sweden than in Denmark :D
<V>
In practice I call someone whatever they prefer to be
<eyJhb>
There is 10 times as many in Sweden.
<eyJhb>
And 2x with the last name :D
<eyJhb>
Also V , the issue is, that I can't even pronounce my nick a sane way :p I just like it as text
<V>
eyJhb: did you pick this name b/c jwt was already taken
<ar>
most of the people i know irl call me by my nickname
<eyJhb>
PM'ed details. But it has a meaning :D
<eyJhb>
ar?
<ar>
yup
<eyJhb>
I say it like a pirate would I assume.
<V>
wait, I'm mixing this up with jwz
<eyJhb>
No no, jwt makes sense V , but it is just base64 of {"alg