<{^_^}>
relocating crew dragon to another port on the ISS: https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html#public: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
<philipp[m]2>
ar: Thanks!
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<{^_^}>
Final preparations for engine test by Cpenhagen Suborbitals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3uVwJB1qUk: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
<gchristensen>
nice
<MichaelRaskin>
gchristensen: Editing XML? XML to S-expressions, then paredit!
<gchristensen>
XML is already an s expression if you squint
<MichaelRaskin>
True, but people write S-expressions for programming, which taints the squinting that happens to the actual code
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<abathur>
if you, too, have noticed and been vexed by github showing blank result pages for queries that use `-filename:` operators, I'm told a fix has been pushed :}
<MichaelRaskin>
Sounds a bit Schroedinger-fix: if you have been vexed, a fix has been pushed, and if not…
<MichaelRaskin>
supersandro2000: as far as I know, all the posts eventually become free
<das_j>
MichaelRaskin: It's one week between
<das_j>
You pay to read the articles as soon as they come out and it's not expensive at all
<gchristensen>
and subscriber links are instant
<gchristensen>
they're really good at just giving away their news lol
<supersandro2000>
Is it the website that summarizes the posts and has a tiny, easy to miss link to the original story?
<das_j>
If you want it to be that, yes
<supersandro2000>
I'm personally not a big fan of that
<supersandro2000>
I usually just directly go to the original source if the headline looks interesting
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<drakonis>
it takes a week
<philipp[m]2>
Some times I feel like the average lwn comment is more substantiated than the average article on most other linux related sites.
<lovesegfault>
MichaelRaskin: I meant a different kind of precision, having a hard time putting into words
<lovesegfault>
like, it's a more obvious to me what's going on in LaTeX than markdown
<MichaelRaskin>
That's indeed not surprising
<abathur>
stumbled on a new macOS manpage (cryptex — Cryptex filesystem hierarchy specification) while searching for something on big sur; not sure I'm thrilled about specifics but interesting to see them grappling with something Nix partially solves; here's the only rendered copy I could find online:https://keith.github.io/xcode-man-pages/cryptex.5.html
<gchristensen>
oh wow
<cransom>
like a more integrated buildfhs kind of thing.
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<MichaelRaskin>
Hmm. Someone tries to talk Monotone maintainers into releasing a version that includes existing Botan 2.0 patches. Good.
<gchristensen>
oo
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<__monty__>
abathur: Hmm, sounds a bit like tombs too.
* __monty__
wonders how an archive containing a strict subset of files of another archive can be larger 🤔
<__monty__>
Compressor switching to a method with more fixed overhead but better ratio?
<elvishjerricco>
Dammit. I was excited because for once upgrading to a new major nixos version (I was very behind on getting to 20.09) went completely smoothly. I did NOT realize that my volume and brightness controls no longer work, and I'm getting constant `Failed to decrypt and verify packet` messages from tinc
<bqv>
Hey. Anyone willing to donate a minecraft account to my wife?
<__monty__>
Hmm, and this only happens when the subset archive is created by filtering the superset archive : /
<supersandro2000>
bqv: do you have considered buying one?
<supersandro2000>
and recently all Minecraft Accounts require Microsoft Accounts.
<bqv>
Money is a problem. I have a mojang one from childhood, but she doesnt
<bqv>
I'm hoping someone around has a mojang one they aren't using
<bqv>
Cause I forgot my friend's password :(
<ashkitten>
linus tech tips: "you'd think that someone who works in cloud computing would have wanted every aspect of their project to synchronize with cloud servers"
<ashkitten>
i don't think linus understands how software developers work
<ashkitten>
anyone who works in cloud computing wants a nice home in the woods away from any and all technology where they can live out a peaceful life shooting down amazon drones
<cransom>
it's like brewers and chefs who make weird, mind altering creations all day, when they come home at night, they drink coors and put peanut butter on a tortilla.
<philipp[m]2>
__monty__: The reaction to covid is one of the reasons.
<gchristensen>
haha
<cransom>
remember when they found radium and nuclear energy, and were convinced we'd have nuclear powered cars, but mostly just painted watch faces with it to be glow in the dark, killing the women who painted them? computers/technology is that now, i'm sure it's killing more people though.
<gchristensen>
yup
<supersandro2000>
living in the woods: no internet, everything is far away, your nearest neighbor is likely far right, no infrastructure, you're neighbors are strange the bad way, no internet
<supersandro2000>
cransom: you know the people in India which burn our old PCBs to get tiny amounts of rare metals?
<philipp[m]2>
Yes, that's the idea.
<supersandro2000>
and everything is somehow produced in China where human rights are questionable enforced
<supersandro2000>
philipp[m]2: no thanks. I keep living in the city where I can find some people which are not stupid
<__monty__>
Are you saying people in India and China are doing these "bad" things because they're stupid and not living in cities? 🤨
<supersandro2000>
the country side has so many people which deny science, logic and democracy
<supersandro2000>
__monty__: are those people living in the woods?
<gchristensen>
luckily my countryside folk are mostly old hippies and phds
<supersandro2000>
well, my experience with people in the woods is limited to Germany
<__monty__>
Not sure where you're from but we have a concept of "boerenverstand," a non-academic but practical rational mind. Something that's often missing in city dwellers here.
<joepie91>
"common sense" seems about similar
<supersandro2000>
well my countryside is filled with Reichsbürger, Neonazis, covid deniers, AfD voters and some others which are overshadowed by the others
<joepie91>
unfortunately boerenverstand also frequently suffers from the same problem as common sense, in that it looks more rational than it is :)
<__monty__>
My point being living in the countryside isn't a reason to look down on people.
<MichaelRaskin>
supersandro2000: to be fair, you _want_ people who do not believe contagious diseases exist to avoid cities
<__monty__>
It's actually rather counter-intuitive that people who do grok epidemics would gravitate towards cities.
<samueldr>
sad to see a manufacturer leave the ring
<samueldr>
especially since LG did fun designs
<gchristensen>
yeah LG did some cool stuff
<MichaelRaskin>
__monty__: the causality is the other way
<samueldr>
but too bad all North American stuff from LG is DoA
<samueldr>
(except what's made for google)
<supersandro2000>
MichaelRaskin: they come like once a week into one big city in the country with 5000 to 10000 or 20000 people and spread the virus
<MichaelRaskin>
I am not sure these are the same, actually
<supersandro2000>
I am pretty sure they are
<samueldr>
DoA in north american markets because bootloaders are locked :<
<__monty__>
MichaelRaskin: By the causality you mean smart people move to cities? Cause my point is that's not always smart.
<samueldr>
(except for Google designs)
<MichaelRaskin>
__monty__: it's not about smart, it's about technophilic
<supersandro2000>
no normal person would wear a yellow star with vaccine on it
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<MichaelRaskin>
Which correlates with belief into whatever reasonable-ish science claims more than either of them correlate with generic smart
<supersandro2000>
while the US is on a good path to have vaccinated all people, Germany is, well, its complicated
<samueldr>
oh, funny, I assumed one of the pixel 1s must have been an LG design, but no, no LG designs yet
<samueldr>
(and to be fair, they would act as ODM)
<cransom>
i'm not sure about 'good path to vaccinate all people'. the last pole i remember seeing on the local news was that ~30% of the residents didn't plan on vaccinating. might have changed by now though.
<lunc>
<samueldr> especially since LG did fun designs <- that's true samueldr, but they kinda didn't follow through on them
<__monty__>
MichaelRaskin: I don't think that's the causation tbh. Cities are local maxima of wealth. This is what attracts people. Some of these people get mildly wealthy and that's how they can afford gadgets/"tech".
<lunc>
like with the modular thing
<gchristensen>
I regret to inform everyone that a nespresso pod that expired in January 2018 actually tastes ~okay
<samueldr>
lunc: yep, G5's design was neat, but G6 was a glued-glass-gizmo
<samueldr>
gchristensen: F
<MichaelRaskin>
gchristensen: the regret is that it doesn't taste any better fresh?
<gchristensen>
pretty much :D
<supersandro2000>
cransom: If I wanted to get one next week I would have a better chance then here.
<philipp[m]2>
Does it still taste like George Clooney?
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<gchristensen>
philipp[m]2: I've never tasted Clooney, but you tell me what he tastes like and I'll let you know?
<supersandro2000>
Do you feel bad for the extra waste?
<gchristensen>
supersandro2000: yeah, it is why I haven't used it since ~2018 :)
<gchristensen>
but I can't make coffee otherwise right now
<supersandro2000>
do you have mate in America?
<supersandro2000>
Club Mate?
<__monty__>
It's funny how manufacturers views on expiry dates made such a rapid 180.
<gchristensen>
not that I know of, though I don't like it very much
<philipp[m]2>
gchristensen: Soapy, but in a pleasant way.
<samueldr>
mate is not a thing where I live
<gchristensen>
haha, funny that you mention it, it is very slightly soapy: I made it in a cup that I washed with hand soap and so has a slightly floral scent
<samueldr>
and AFAIK not a "cultural" computery-people thing like in parts of europe
<supersandro2000>
__monty__: as long as it isn't smelly or something which easily goes bad you can eat it
<supersandro2000>
gchristensen: you want to keep your mouth clean, right? A bit of soap wont hurt
<samueldr>
expiry dates often are "sell by" because they are guaranteed quality up until that date
<philipp[m]2>
gchristensen: Yes, that's pretty close to it.
<__monty__>
Isn't Club Mate only big in Germany? I see/inbibe it at FOSDEM most every year but that's it.
<samueldr>
in a past job I was talking to a pepsi-cola rep, for the bottling subcontractor for the area
<supersandro2000>
__monty__: :( I hope not
<samueldr>
and they themselves (the subcontractor) would have liked to increase dates because their own testing shows it's still perfectly good for way longer
<supersandro2000>
Mate is a big part of German hack culture
<samueldr>
but the big co states that "quality" is lost starting at that time
<supersandro2000>
if you are a space without mate you are not a real space tbh
<supersandro2000>
samueldr: buy new ones! They are 25% more expensive and 40% smaller but it is worth it for the taste.
<samueldr>
and the big co doesn't really care that it's so close by, because they themselves don't see the massive amount of returns
<supersandro2000>
George Cloney said it so it must be true!
<samueldr>
while the bottling subcontractor did
<__monty__>
I'm talking about best-before I think, not sell-by, not familiar with english terminology here.
<samueldr>
terminology doesn't actually cross cultural barriers
<__monty__>
Hmm, I guess it's not actually manufacturers but supermarkets. They didn't like not being able to keep stuff on the shelves but now they love people throwing away perfectly good food and buying more.
<supersandro2000>
in Germany there is best before date which is actually whatever
<supersandro2000>
and must be used before
<supersandro2000>
which usually meal has which could be bad by that date
<elvishjerricco>
Anybody here know anything about i2c? My brightness controls aren't working anymore because I get "No monitor detected on I2C bus"
<elvishjerricco>
when I run `ddcutil getvcp 10 -b $id` that is
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<lovesegfault>
elvishjerricco: I had that a few times
<lovesegfault>
rebooting helps
<lovesegfault>
seems to be kind of random
<elvishjerricco>
lovesegfault: No amount of rebooting has fixed it for me so far
<lovesegfault>
Hm :/
<elvishjerricco>
What's weird is that it worked in 20.03
<lovesegfault>
revert to old gens till you find one that works?
<lovesegfault>
(ftr, it works on my system, with two DP monitors)
<elvishjerricco>
lovesegfault: I think the difference is probably the nvidia driver. I found a support thread where someone had a different i2c problem that they said got fixed in a recent version
<elvishjerricco>
So when I get a chance, I'll try out downgrading the nvidia driver
<samueldr>
was going to say: check whether the i2c driver for the gpu is still named the same, and loaded
<samueldr>
but your lead is probably good too
<lovesegfault>
nvidia driver...
<lovesegfault>
that's why I got an amd card :P
<elvishjerricco>
Yea I really want to swap this thing out for an amd
<elvishjerricco>
But $
<eyJhb>
Also, there are no cards atm.
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<gchristensen>
apparently perl has collected a bunch of features to make it behave reasonably but the perl I've worked on doesn't use it lol
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<colemickens>
The gruvbox nixos wallpapers are surprisingly nice :) Maybe finally worth a change from solid color.
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<__monty__>
I can't move away from hubble space images.
<supersandro2000>
maybe hydra should have been rewritten before you get good at perl
<supersandro2000>
colemickens: can you post a link?
<supersandro2000>
I need more gruvbox in my life
<aleph->
gchristensen: Now we need to upgrade to perl 6
<gchristensen>
supersandro2000: the trouble is you can't "just" rewrite a thing like hydra
<cransom>
skip 6, go directly to perl 7.
<sterni>
perl 6 isn't even a thing anymore
<supersandro2000>
aleph-: raku
<sterni>
so skip 6 go to 7 is the thing that will happen for like everyone
<supersandro2000>
gchristensen: not just just but just just
<supersandro2000>
long term just
<gchristensen>
yeah
<supersandro2000>
hydra is a bit slow for my youngster liking and doing research on it takes a bit
<gchristensen>
hydra.nixos.org?
<samueldr>
is it slow because of perl?
<samueldr>
I doubt it is
<gchristensen>
no :)
<samueldr>
I mean, in the negative, I don't think so :)
<gchristensen>
it is slow b/c of the database size relative to development team
<sterni>
I mean it is no slower than the github UI so…
<gchristensen>
it surely is lol
<samueldr>
hydra is what people think big data means (but is not big data)
<hodapp>
people still use Perl?
<sterni>
maybe I get unlucky with github
<sterni>
or I am more patient with hydra lol
<samueldr>
sterni: both!
<aleph->
Heh
<gchristensen>
hodapp: tragically, perl didn't simply go away when people stopped liking it :)
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<samueldr>
perl2rust when?
<samueldr>
(I mean, a utility that does it for you)
<elvishjerricco>
Well downgrading the nvidia driver to the one I had when it worked didn't help
<hodapp>
that sounds... kinda impossible given Perl's semantics
<samueldr>
hodapp: shhhh
<abathur>
I saw a job posting for perl-or-python on SO the other day, basically: we have a lot of perl; we're trying to do everything new in Python; we'll take someone who knows either, but expect to have to learn the other :)
<supersandro2000>
sterni: it is a lot slower than github
<supersandro2000>
abathur: I never find such nice job listings. I either find things that require basic linux knowledge or full blown kernel development. Not really what I am searching for tbh.
<samueldr>
once in the past, knowing it would probably happen, I forced deleted a live path, to see what's the worst that would happen
<samueldr>
well, garbage collection was thorough!
<samueldr>
(the system was being reinstalled)
<samueldr>
(so I did a dumb because it was expendable)
<supersandro2000>
sounds like the git prune I did once during a rebase and deleted both the starting and end commit
<samueldr>
nah, no one needs those
<gchristensen>
samueldr: the hard part for me is deciding that yeah now is the time to implement a thing in rust in perl
<samueldr>
it'll never "feel" right gchristensen
<f0x>
biggest annoyance in all this is I morph deploy from my homserver, which has slooow uplink
<gchristensen>
yeah
<gchristensen>
so maybe this is a good chance :)
<f0x>
with the initial system thing being ~600Mb
<gchristensen>
esp. since it'll be a little bit of a hot loop, these codepaths are traversed at least 3 times per build
<samueldr>
gchristensen: even better if you hook them up in parallel
<gchristensen>
probably less likely
<samueldr>
I mean, the rust and perl implementation side-by-side
<samueldr>
to show off
<gchristensen>
oh true
<samueldr>
since you already have the perl version
<gchristensen>
:)
<gchristensen>
samueldr: I pinged eelco to ask for permission :)
* samueldr
stops browsing for shia lebeouf memes
<gchristensen>
oh, no, please
<gchristensen>
do
<samueldr>
it?
<gchristensen>
yeah I want to see what you were going to share hehe
<samueldr>
ah, just the good ol' original
<gchristensen>
ah, haha
<aleph->
gchristensen: So what I'm hearing is we're gonna RiiR for hydra. :p
<gchristensen>
well .... not necessarily ...
<gchristensen>
maybe Go would be better
<sterni>
has hydra a lot of threaded / concurrent code?
<gchristensen>
parts of it, yes, but those are C++ today
<sterni>
kk
<sterni>
well I don't think introducing async rust to hydra would be the best of ideas
<sterni>
or rather may just be easier to do it in Go
<gchristensen>
I don't care about async or concurrency tbh
<sterni>
idk
<sterni>
it's hard for me to judge anyways if partial rewrites of hydra could make any sense at all
<gchristensen>
yup
<gchristensen>
imo the win is a tractable data model, and compile time checking
<samueldr>
(unrelated~ish) I sincerely think async has made developers complacent about perf, thinking about those "website" shells that are full of placeholders being async loaded in what feels like forever
<gchristensen>
you'll notice the perl code I've been writing is ~100% tested, because I can't write valid perl otherwise
<sterni>
very wise
<gchristensen>
I mean it isn't even wise/unwise, it is I literally am incapable of it
<sterni>
should've done that on my work project in perl really from the get go but I was mostly occupied with figuring out perl and the bonkers extension API of OTRS :p
<gchristensen>
yeah
<sterni>
IME the nature of perl makes it really easy to introduce stupid bugs, but the failures caused by them will show up in a completely different place from where they are caused usually
<samueldr>
tell me they pronounce it otters
<gchristensen>
I spent a few days writing perl without tests, and tests just make it ... uh, feasible ...
<sterni>
which makes it hard to debug really
<ajs124>
RE RIIR vs. RIIGO and hydra: go <-> nix interop sadly isn't trivial, because CGO barely support C++
<sterni>
I mean in a way I found the value context thing cool, but in practice it's just not the best of ideas
<gchristensen>
rust barely supports c++ so sounsd good
<sterni>
samueldr: checking
<sterni>
samueldr: no sadly it's O Te Er Ess because germans are no fun
<samueldr>
d'aw
<ajs124>
gchristensen: by "barely supports", I meant "I've tried this and failed" -.-
<sterni>
samueldr: I'm also extremely disappointed now that none of the like 3 forks that were made when they announced this year they'd stop supporting their OSS version is called otters as well
<gchristensen>
ajs124: so as good as rust!
<ajs124>
although I'm not much of a (go) developer, so maybe I just couldn't do it
<sterni>
isn't like FFI to C++ terrible everywhere
<sterni>
because you can't just resolve symbols because of overloading etc.
<ajs124>
isn't C++ terrible? :P
<gchristensen>
neither C++ nor Rust have defined ABIs and trying to FFI between them is ???
<sterni>
haha
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<lukegb>
I mean, _C++_ has a defined ABI, right? doesn't everyone outside of MS use the Itanium one?
<lukegb>
not that that's helpful since the ABI for the STL isn't specified so it all immediately falls to bits :p
<hodapp>
whaa
<hodapp>
is Intel retiring Itanium for real real this time, not like the other 17 times they claimed they would?
<f0x>
hm i guess ideally you wouldn't be NAT-ing v6, but still
<ajs124>
it would be easier for me to bash people that NAT IPv6 if I weren't doing it myself in some places, mainly because of VPNs, static assignments and lazyness, but in general it really shouldn't be done
<supersandro2000>
if you have a dynamic ipv6 you need to do it
<f0x>
oh :| also only just noticed the ipv6 addition is only in unstable so far
<sterni>
networking.nat is for container networking anyways right?
<f0x>
well in this case, for my wireguard vpn
<supersandro2000>
could be probably repurposed
<supersandro2000>
GitHub changed their token format and I already got 3 mails to update them
<supersandro2000>
Which I am totally not doing right now because I expect them to be not accept by all tools because most tools will do a regex check which needs an update for the new format
<pie_>
dunno what google said but wooo~ https://nitter.fdn.fr/jshermcyber/status/1379144402254303234 "Google no longer needs or wants to depend on data derived from tracking users outside of its purview, and thus its announcement is better viewed as a manifestation of the extraordinary scale of the data it has already collected than as an altruistic, pro-privacy decision."
<f0x>
gchristensen: i have a zfs rollback system in (almost) production now :D
<colemickens>
gmail marked an email from my father to a set of emails that is regularly emailed as spam, it's marked as TLS sent via gmail.com
<colemickens>
cole-h: no explosions yet in self-host land? I need to just set this up and start slurping my gmail over.
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<cole-h>
colemickens: still running fine
<cole-h>
haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary, been using it just fine for correspondence