<etu>
eyJhb: Yep, seen it, I kinda like that the GitHub repos is now upstream though
<eyJhb>
I somewhat dislike these 3rd party Git instances, so it is nice it is part of a "public" instance :)
<eyJhb>
ANd preference for Github vs. Gitlab?
<etu>
I'm happy that they seem to handle it well :)
<etu>
And the private git instance has been less discoverable then github or gitlab
<eyJhb>
Kinda want to see, what happened and how they got access
<eyJhb>
Which is always the case for private git instances + you often have to create a new account to auth on the site
<etu>
Time will tell
<etu>
I hope
<eyJhb>
`"REMOVETHIS: sold to zerodium, mid 2017"` didn't see that at all. That's kinda lol
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<supersandro2000>
if there theory is correct that git.php.net got compromised who knows what else got changed
<supersandro2000>
could be false flag
<supersandro2000>
also their server is running debian stretch or ubuntu xenial for that sTaBiLiTy
<etu>
Well, it's git
<etu>
And the mirror haven't got a new rebased or rewritten history
<etu>
So the history should be intact and nothing bad should have been injected "into past things"
<etu>
But they probably have to investigate how long it's been breached by looking at system logs and things, then look through the recent history of commits to see if there's any weird things.
<supersandro2000>
I am not sure if you could hack the past if you have object access
<supersandro2000>
but that probably falls apart when cloning
<supersandro2000>
also they could inject a short sha which overwrites short shas used on the web
<supersandro2000>
always use the long sha
<supersandro2000>
when github actions where in beta short shas where used which means you could create a PR with a forged sha and inject that into pinned things
<andi->
It is a bad day for decentralized development when everyone just jumps onto Microsofts latest acquisition. I heard Discourse is also being acquired by them...
<supersandro2000>
everything is just becoming Teams 🔥
<supersandro2000>
I don't know why there is a cartel office when big corps can just buy everything they want
<andi->
Ah, the news I saw was about discord not discourse..
<andi->
guess Discourse doesn't have a good enough lock-in story for MSFT to consider them
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<joepie91>
welp
<joepie91>
guess repology goes on my shitlist
<joepie91>
(see header on site)
<etu>
oh
<eyJhb>
joepie91: It's quite a movement that have been set in motion.
<supersandro2000>
I just re-quote this.
<supersandro2000>
>> Regardless, Stallman’s opinions on the matters he is being persecuted over are not relevant to his ability to lead a community such as the FSF.
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<supersandro2000>
FSF just does not care about moral 🤷
<joepie91>
eyJhb: I see it more as "a lot of people are now conveniently broadcasting that you probably want to stay away from them"
<gchristensen>
I think my finger's skin is too dry, my finger print reader barely sees it
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<gchristensen>
discord's founder would never embrace decentralization, you can't commit class-action grade spying so easily
<Ke>
yes, doe not really sound like there's anything for them
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<eyJhb>
gchristensen: Is there any evidence of this?
<gchristensen>
evidence of my hyperbole, or evidence to back up any of it at a//
<gchristensen>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenFeint#History "allegations including computer fraud, invasion of privacy, breach of contract, bad faith and seven other statutory violations"
<gchristensen>
okay new computer, got IRC (ssh ...), Slack, and pass moved over. phew.
<supersandro2000>
and they collect data like google basically
<aleph->
gchristensen: The most important of things heh
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<leonardp>
pie_: big oof
<gchristensen>
consultant starter pack: environment.systemPackages = with pkgs; [ zulip teams slack discord mattermost-desktop zoom-us ];
<gchristensen>
shoulda gotten a laptop with 32g of ram
<leonardp>
gchristensen: big lol
<pie_>
32gb ram yes please
<pie_>
my machine only has one ram slot ;_;
<supersandro2000>
> however, the incident would have affected only a small portion of these systems as most PHP servers usually lag in terms of patching and running the latest software version.
<{^_^}>
error: syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ')', at (string):493:8
<supersandro2000>
best security advice: we can't get new bugs if we never update
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<cransom>
i've never crossed paths with zulip, but the topic/thread based organization intrigues me. does it work well in practice over the conventional models?
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<adisbladis>
gchristensen: I want to buy a laptop with 32G RAM... But apparently Lenovo is not in the business of selling laptops..
<bbigras>
I like the idea of zulip a lot. I used it a tiny bit. It seems great. I with matrix's thread will be a bit like zulip's
<adisbladis>
Getting one with a decent configuration is a major logistical nightmare
<gchristensen>
cransom: one thing about it is it makes itfeel a lot more "expensive" to ask a question
<gchristensen>
like you can't just fire off a question, you have tomake a *title* xand then a *body* to your question
<gchristensen>
this can be a nice force. "Fine ..... I'll do a few minutes of research before I spend a few minutes asking a question"
<cransom>
we have a weird cultural thing at $place where everyone is, to an extreme fault, obsessive compulsive about not pinging someone, even if you are asking them a direct question (so, things like actively obfuscating names so they don't get highlighted) and DMs are used way more than group channels. makes communication weird.
<adisbladis>
gchristensen: Lol, an observation: `consultant starter pack: environment.systemPackages = with pkgs; [ chrome chrome chrome chrome chrome zoom-us ];`
<bbigras>
I wonder if zulip's threads help with the "old messages" problem. Like if we used matrix at work, I would expect many people to skip reading old messages when they join (and they would mark the latest message and read). While with zulip, I think the read marker is per thread.
<bbigras>
because then zulip is like a forum, but also used as a chat. where people should read the whole threads they are interested in.
<bbigras>
for a serious discussion taking time, I guess the forum style could be better. while the chat style is good for quick chat or asking for help.
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<bbigras>
I really like the idea of muting a thread. a bit like on discourse. I can ignore the stuff I don't care and then it's easier to see the rest.
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: Don't they ship to you?
<eyJhb>
Also, I will take your consultant joke and reuse
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: Well... No...
<adisbladis>
But I can work around that
<adisbladis>
What I'm struggling to work around is the 8-12 weeks delivery time
<abathur>
zulip is okay in my limited use; the oilshell project has one if you want a live instance to poke around
<pie_>
tell me if you ever find anything <adisbladis> Getting one with a decent configuration is a major logistical nightmare
<pie_>
oh you mean actually logistical
<pie_>
what i hate about normal chat is lots of knowledge is just lost to scroll
<pie_>
someone observed lkml email threads are good for context and seeing the path of development or something (i havent used it)
<abathur>
it's both a pro and a con I think
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<cole-h>
I've gotten more spam email this month than any of the past months combined...
<f0x>
yeah something definitely ramped up
<supersandro2000>
lots of spam and finding that one important mail
<supersandro2000>
that might also be there alone in /dev/null
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<Raito_Bezarius>
adisbladis: if it was not an emergency, xyte.ch exists :p
<Raito_Bezarius>
otherwise, I would just for a local ThinkPad T480
<Raito_Bezarius>
which can be bumped to 64GB RAM AFAIK
<Raito_Bezarius>
(in France, they get sold with enterprise warranty for 3 years generally for as little as ~500 euros if you're good to haggling and wait for the right moment)
<Raito_Bezarius>
(but most often with "basic" configurations, 1366x768 or 8GB RAM/128GB SSD and generally no discrete GPU)
<Raito_Bezarius>
I'm planning to try the X2100 of xyte.ch (my order is close to shipping afaik, but COVID & global semiconductors shortage are not helping…)
<Raito_Bezarius>
but the T480's 32GB is not enough, I run into OOM after 2 weeks :<
<Mic92>
,locate bin/latexmk
<{^_^}>
Found in packages: texlive.combined.scheme-full, texlive.combined.scheme-medium
<adisbladis>
pie_: Like.. I want a thinkpad x13 with amd cpu, fully speced out
<adisbladis>
But that's not in the standard inventory
<adisbladis>
They don't even want to sell you a 32GB one
<adisbladis>
If you want 32GB that's 8-12 weeks
<adisbladis>
And RAM is soldered so no upgrade path
<pie_>
wtf <adisbladis> And RAM is soldered so no upgrade path
<pie_>
i dont like the direction this is going in
<samueldr>
you mustn't have looked at either low-end or high-end laptops in the last 5 years
<cransom>
or phones. which nearly have the computing power of the laptops also sold.
<samueldr>
though it's not all for "bad" reasons, I'm led to understand that having connectors is bad for the power budget
<samueldr>
[citation needed]
<samueldr>
my main issue is that there is no way for me to choose whether I care about the power budget or not
<samueldr>
but somehow, if you go to the higher end of the mid tier laptops, more often than not they still have user-serviceable ram :\
<LinuxHackerman>
I have a Thinkpad T14s which has 16G soldered and a 16G SODIMM
<cransom>
i don't know about power budget, but a connector does mean longer traces and a larger board layout.
<LinuxHackerman>
so I just have to hope that if my RAM fails it's the SODIMM :D
<samueldr>
yeah, half and half is somewhat common and as annoying
<samueldr>
like my current laptop, it could be upgraded up to 12GB of ram since 4GB is soldered
<hexa->
on M1 the memory is part of the SoC afaiu?
<hexa->
so it seems like a continuation of that trend
<samueldr>
hexa-: what is the "trend" you're speaking of?
<samueldr>
it's likely not _designed_ to reduce the end-user's agency... if that's what is on your mind
<hexa->
unsoldered -> soldered -> integrated
<hexa->
I'm not saying that
<samueldr>
good
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<samueldr>
though I guess some execs see it as a nice bonus
<hexa->
the memory latency on the M1 seems to have benefited from tigther integration
<samueldr>
hexa-: it's not in the SoC
<samueldr>
I just went and looked
<hexa->
oh ok
<samueldr>
it's a "PoP"
<hexa->
package then?
<samueldr>
oh
<samueldr>
not a PoP
<samueldr>
I misread
<samueldr>
yeah, packaged together
<samueldr>
PoP is a fun thing you can see on some (all?) raspberry pi
<samueldr>
possibly other SBCs
<hexa->
ultimately have your big remote machines to do compute intensive stuff :
<samueldr>
can it handle the session being interrupted?
<samueldr>
(can't find that quickly)
<hexa->
no idea
<samueldr>
but the fact that it wasn't part of the basic design will end up making it a subpar experience
<samueldr>
they didn't need to design wayland to _be_ network transparent, only to make the design decisions aware of future implementations
<samueldr>
(not sure if it would have helped)
<samueldr>
I don't know if it was about waypipe, but IIRC at least one of the network aware "solution" for wayland was extremely lossy
<samueldr>
as in, couldn't use most of the "fancy" protocols
<samueldr>
(I'm really not a wayland expert, so terminology is hard)
<hexa->
hm meh
<hexa->
same.
<hexa->
afk for a bit
<samueldr>
what I think should have been the future, 10 years ago, is what I was doing ~13 years ago
<samueldr>
I was using NX client, free (gratis) version with Free (libre) components to have a beefier system do the hard work and keep my session alive, just like what some people use tmux for
<samueldr>
but for a whole seamlessly integrated graphical session
<samueldr>
seamlessly meaning the windows are on your machine
<samueldr>
not like VNC where there is a window "viewport" on the remote machine
<samueldr>
and performances were basically as good as theoretically possible on remote connections AFAICT
<samueldr>
though video obviously wasn't really possible and wasn't handled
<samueldr>
but we're talking about a long time ago
<samueldr>
and to me it seems weird to not go towards more distributed applications, where things are most likely not running where you use them, if you want
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<aaronjanse>
Huh, isn't that what's happening a lot on the web, with most of the application logic happening remotely?
<aaronjanse>
I think the largest difference is that some graphics are still done locally to minimize latency
<samueldr>
the logic is, but a lot of the performance critical things end up on the user's machine
<samueldr>
which makes the web hard to use on lower-powered machines
<samueldr>
if the browser was running on a beefier machine remotely, it would help
<samueldr>
but yes, that is one way it is happening, in part
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<abathur>
who are the monsters
<abathur>
releasing new CLIs
<abathur>
with single-hyphen long -options
<aaronjanse>
I KNOW RIGHT
<aaronjanse>
What the heck!
<hexa->
I'm looking at you, `exa`.
<hexa->
sorting files? no problem
<hexa->
exa -snew
<aaronjanse>
Did you mean -o -p -i -o -n -s is what they should say!!!
<hexa->
what I mean is … don't fuck with proper argparsing
<hexa->
you are talking about single dash longopts
<abathur>
but find is like, shaddup, you can have `-recurse`
<hexa->
which is bad
<abathur>
yes
<abathur>
ok
<aaronjanse>
Yeah
<abathur>
and also frangipanni
<abathur>
weird place to choose to save a few chars
<cole-h>
and also most Go CLIs I've seen
<aaronjanse>
^
<abathur>
well, it does appear to be go
<aaronjanse>
I'm so disappointed that Rust coreutils is still buggy
<aaronjanse>
Hopefully it'll get better over time. But even stuff such as rm and cp didn't work well :-(
<cole-h>
It's always helpful to file issues, if you haven't already ;)
<abathur>
turns out
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<aaronjanse>
Agreed cole-h
<aaronjanse>
Either way it looks like they're making steady and impressive progress, so props to them. I'll file a bug report next time I come across something
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<pie_>
ok this is pretty cool but the android app is not open source
<pie_>
i tried like 3 open source apps for streaming the camera from my phone and they were all garbage
<pie_>
or at least they didnt work
<pie_>
droidcam works and even has an obs plugin
<pie_>
i just ran the installer script and obs in a temporary home directory and it works
<pie_>
shady but i got the free apks off apkpure because i dont have and dont want to use a google acct on that phone
<pie_>
so i guess i can work on my posture now while looking at the back of my head haha (not the actual goal)
<pie_>
Uh.
<pie_>
I cant get libreoffice to start in xephyr, it doesnt seem to be obeying DISPLAY, what gives?
<samueldr>
wayland session?
<pie_>
yeah im in wayland
<pie_>
the libreoffice launcher does start in the xephyr and then the rest opens outside
<samueldr>
is libreoffice an X11 application still? could it be seeing the wayland env and just using it?
<pie_>
idek
<pie_>
but apparently it takes a --display arg and that seems to have worked
* pie_
flails helplessly
<pie_>
weird program launchers :P
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<drakonis>
at times like these, i wish i could merge PRs from nixpkgs
<drakonis>
we're never going back to a 3 digits PR count are we?
<pie_>
:)
<pie_>
bi gsystem is big
<drakonis>
indeed it is
<drakonis>
i'm trying ocaml instead
<drakonis>
seems reasonably pragmatic
<pie_>
do we have cisco webex or whatever packaged
<pie_>
ok cool i got v4l2loopback working
<pie_>
ill figure out this kernel module stuff one day
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