<lovesegfault>
Hmm, I have a static binary that's trying to open /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2
* lovesegfault
is confused
<samueldr>
dlopen?
<lovesegfault>
idk, I'm trying to patchelf it but I get "patchelf: no section headers. The input file is probably a statically linked, self-decompressing binary"
<lovesegfault>
but upon stracing: open("/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
<aaronjanse>
Okay, my julia-zsh polyglot shell now does autocomplete using zsh (for paths, flags, git branches, etc) and still has autocomplete for Julia code
<aaronjanse>
Last step is wrapping my new changes in Nix then uploading to my dotfiles
<siraben>
What's the incentive of govt. agencies to put their software publicly?
<siraben>
Also, if Ghidra et al. is what NSA is showing publicly, I can only imagine what they have behind the scenes
<siraben>
pie_: i'm impressed at how persistent you are
<pie_>
I SHOULDNT BE DOING THIS
<siraben>
lol
<siraben>
why can't software just work amiright
<pie_>
but like goddamn, the responses onthe thread did not inspire confidence or something
<pie_>
noone is going to give a damn to even read the proposal but maybe in a decade ill get back to it lol (or not, and someone comes out with an actually decent cli rust tool or something :P)
<pie_>
i guess i can rationalize an excuse of this being a case study
<pie_>
whats that online markdown sharey thing yall use?
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<pie_>
cole-h: does the mayflower hedgedoc allow anon usage :p
<cole-h>
no idea
<cole-h>
if not, maybe there are some instances that do?
<pie_>
hm guess not
<pie_>
yeah ill just google heh
<elvishjerricco>
If Firefox were pinned to a single core on this machine right now, that core would be pinned to 100%, and Firefox is just idling. Wtf firefox.
<elvishjerricco>
Ah, it was ads in one tab in particular -_-
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<aaronjanse>
Typical
<aaronjanse>
I should probably figure out how to view which tabs are using resources
<elvishjerricco>
aaronjanse: I went to about:performance. Not exactly detailed, but it was enough
<aaronjanse>
Ah got it
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<jtojnar>
I just got Kinesis kbd and it has too few keys for my taste
<infinisil>
ldlework: Seeing that too in another thread
<infinisil>
Though I do like using my ergodox ez'd big thumb buttons for space, enter and esc
<ldlework>
I hate that
<ldlework>
The Atreus is an example of how to do central modifiers coherently
<ldlework>
the thumb is made for curling, not extending out past the wrist
<gchristensen>
jtojnar: which one?
<jtojnar>
Advantage2
<gchristensen>
ldlework: I tried the atreus and it really hurt my hands. a lot of problems these keyboards address are unique to the person, so maybe my hands are sized to the kinesis right enought
<gchristensen>
jtojnar: cool, browns or reds? :)
<jtojnar>
Browns
<ldlework>
gchristensen: do normal keyboards hurt your hands?
<jtojnar>
Got it second hand and real cheap too
<gchristensen>
very much so
<ldlework>
well that's pretty atypical i think
<gchristensen>
I'd hope so, I wouldn't wish these hands on anyone
<ldlework>
i think the general idea of a digit being used via curling via extension is in general a sound one to follow
<jtojnar>
Currently trying to figure out how to fit lctrl, lalt, rctrl, ralt and super to the thumb clusters
<ldlework>
curling *vs extension
<hodapp>
I've been trying to learn my Twiddler3
<ldlework>
wow that takes the idea to the extreme, did not expect that lol
<hodapp>
problem is their online tutor thingy is le crap
<ldlework>
that thing would let you code with your arms crossed
<ldlework>
lol
<hodapp>
lol, one could *use* it with arms crossed but I'm not sure how efficiently one might code
<ldlework>
hook it up to some handlebars and code while you joy ride on your e-bike
<gchristensen>
I guess that confirms it though, I don't really have to extend my thumbs very often
<ldlework>
I'm not sure I would want to be holding and squeezing something though
<ldlework>
That seems like an alternative path to RSI
<hodapp>
squeezing?
<ldlework>
well yeah, you press a button which pushes the thing into your palm
<hodapp>
ldlework: ..err... I'm missing what the news is here
<ldlework>
lol look at the comments
<hodapp>
do I HAVE to
<f0x>
joepie91: yeah.. the unfolding was an experience
<philipp[m]1>
joepie91: So about every 5th dutchee is a candidate? 😛
<joepie91>
philipp[m]1: nah, we don't have *that* small a population. it's more like every 20 :)
<joepie91>
more seriously, yeah, lots of candidates and mainly lots of parties
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<ldlework>
pie_: thanks for your help, SheepShaver is compiled and working again.
<__monty__>
Are half of the modifiers on the Atreus pressed with pinkies? Or each separate finger, in which case isn't the shift-like sidedness kinda annoying sometimes?
<hodapp>
SheepShaver... I feel like I was building special versions of either this or BasiliskII but I forget why
<__monty__>
To play the greatest racing game ever of course, Tanaka 3D.
<hodapp>
does it run well?
<__monty__>
Well enough IIRC.
<hodapp>
this looks like Hi Octane or that one PSX game I can't remember
<__monty__>
Nah, it's nothing like Wipeout.
<__monty__>
Not familiar with Hi-Octane but it's not sci-fi so obviously not as fun : )
<hodapp>
garbage trucks with jet engines and afterburners is kinda sci-fi to me
<__monty__>
Sounds more apocalyptic/Mad Max-y to me.
<philipp[m]1>
I just finished assembling my standing/sitting desk and have officially become one of those people. I am sorry.
<gchristensen>
welcome to the "those people" club
<Synthetica>
"those people" who want their back to last more than a few years?
* etu
got a fish abbreviation named `nsh` defined to `nix-shell --run fish -p` so I can type "nsh jq<RET>" and it extends it to "nix-shell --run fish -p jq<RET>" and I get a new instance of the shell with that binary available
<etu>
And due to the nature of how fish functions it has the same history as my session before I typed that
<__monty__>
Cool. Doesn't really violate the Nix philosophy though imo. Declaratively specifying your dependencies is totally what Nix is about. The only impurity is channels/not pinning.
<adisbladis>
I don't really agree it violates the Nix principle
<siraben>
gchristensen: nix-comma was a thing
<__monty__>
Are we great minds, adisbladis? 👀
<adisbladis>
__monty__: I misread what you wrote, I thought we were in disagreement :P
<__monty__>
Probably because the PR I opened an hour ago still hasn't been merged ツ
<__monty__>
Interesting how the channel bumps make those graphs kinda unique.
<aei>
really odd how a conversation over 10 years ago can suddenly become meaningful ... given fresh context or added knowledge to explain it, ... guess i should ask in #nixos i am curious who (which NixOSer) told me about it at a cafe on Columbia University campus in 2010 at that years Debconf; he quickly explained his linux based system that allowed him to wind back and branch in new/different directions at will... (the description w
<aei>
bewildering to the uninitiated and for some reason did not lead me to find out any more about NixOS then) ... whoever it was is very unlikely to remember, but the more general question would be what NixOSer was wandering about Columbia University campus at that time ... and they would have been aware of and recall that there was a debconf event. Anyhow that short conversation came back to me finally resolved 10 years later when i
<aei>
started using NixOS ... (i have since asked a Gentoo friend who was at that Debconf and did a few cafes in my company at the time, whether he was present for such a conversation ... would have been fun, but it is long ago, am not sure who i was with, no, he did not remember)
<aei>
(oh, am hplar (weechat) half the time, this is my emacs intermittent presence/nick)
<__monty__>
I like the idea of slowly composing a nix-shell by pushing packages onto a stack and then materializing it.
<sterni>
but then you are pressing Ctrl-D for 5min to exit your terminal :(
<__monty__>
Nah, bonk just adds paths to PATH.
<__monty__>
Maybe with etu's fish approach but it's probably easy enough to fit an exec in there.
<sterni>
okay, thought you were referring to etus thing
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<__monty__>
sterni: Talking about the script adisbladis shared.
<aei>
(i thought he suggested it was part of his research at the time, but that too, not sure)
<aei>
(ok, that remains a random fragment :)
<__monty__>
Good luck finding this person. I can only confirm it wasn't me.
<aei>
heh, you in NY otherwise? ... i don't have to find the person, just one of those odd things that keep life interesting
<__monty__>
Nope, across the pond. Living in the Old World like it's 1969.
<gchristensen>
aei: that is a cool story
<aei>
i am in NJ, and expect to drive through southern finland, sweden and norway this summer ... oh and perhaps down to italy, covid permitting, wife has bought tickets, i remain skeptical :-)
<aei>
gchristensen thanks, fun
<hodapp>
I need to make it to Finland and Sweden and maybe Norway.
<hodapp>
wife has some distant relatives in Sweden. I think a distant aunt of hers is the director of the Linköping airport or something
<hodapp>
she also has some distant Italian relatives... one sent her some pictures from when Italy was on serious lockdown last year :-/
<__monty__>
First time I heard about Nix was at Fosdem 2 or 3 years ago. Thought it was cool but was on a quest for a configuration managed setup for a desktop OS and didn't look into it further >.<
<__monty__>
Got sick of Haskell packaging woes on Arch and finally found Nirvana^WNixOS.
<hodapp>
I also went from Arch to NixOS
<bbigras>
hodapp: I used Arch before too. How do you like it so far?
<hodapp>
I had enough Linux experience, and did enough dumb things, to understand the difference between "things broke because I did something stupid I shouldn't have" and "things broke because the distro did something stupid it shouldn't have"
<hodapp>
and Arch was just leaning waaaaay too far to the latter and the IRC channel was full of general dismissiveness and condescension
<hodapp>
bbigras: have been on it for years now and have liked it pretty well. yes, I still spend time setting stuff up, and I still bump into things that just aren't packaged and I have to do them myself painstakingly, but I really like that I get something declarative and portable across machines as a result
<bbigras>
I had some condescension in their forum too.
<hodapp>
when I did freelance work I sometimes had build environments that took me all day to actually get working (no matter what distro I did them on)
<bbigras>
oh yeah it's a pain sometime when things are not packaged.
<hodapp>
and in at least a couple instances, NixOS saved me some serious time when needing to run the same thing on another box
<aei>
i am mixed, father was from Ghana West Africa, mum is Finnish and I lived a decade some time back in Norway (I mention Ghana, because though my mum has blue eyes and blond hair, I am brown with good reason :) ... so much more than anyone needs to know, greetings
<aei>
yes i am hostage to #nixos
<bbigras>
yeah.
<aei>
hmm i have a dropdown i must disable, it switches a few words
<hodapp>
also I do some machine learning work and machine learning libraries are their own level of stupid hell
<aei>
well, since, i love the environment and would not trade it
<aei>
i enjoy lots of the new rust tooling
<hodapp>
add one extra level of hell when CUDA is involved (as it almost always is in modern ML), add another extra level of hell when TensorFlow is involved
<bbigras>
aei: what new rust tooling?
<aei>
but i do code and will continue to in D which seems under-supported
<aei>
no not for nix, but replacements for everyday linux things
<aei>
from exa to fzf (i think those are rust) not sure which language did ripgrep, but a lot of things seem to be coming out of the rust camp and a lot of nixers appear to be into rust if not haskell, perhaps that is a false impression?
<bbigras>
oh yeah. there's a shitload of nice rust cli tools.
<bbigras>
ripgrep is rust too
<bbigras>
yeah I think a lot of nixers like haskell. and a lot like rust.
<Synthetica>
fzf is go if I remember correctly
<aei>
well, ... i like nixos too, and what those who have contributed have done to make it (so am not compaining about haskellers or rust) and i have confessed being impressed by many of the new cli tools rust (and other)
<aei>
you are almost certainly right, i did not check, there just seemed to be many
<bbigras>
a couple of rust cli tools I like: mcfly, bat, zoxide, tealdeer, delta (for git), dogdns, ht-rust, fd, hexyl, zenith
<bbigras>
I think skim is the rust "fzf"
<aei>
seems i use fewer than i thought from that list, use bat ripgrep mentioned earlier have installed fd still use find, fzf is some other languages ah well, glad i guess that rust does not have them all ... i was i think beginning to form that impression, and there is some stuff going on in nixos that is to be in rust in future not so? don't need to follow up, am more interested in being able to use nixos (all tools included) and to
<aei>
on with D and other interests
<aei>
i learned of nixos or was put on notice about it on the debian-devel irc where there was a discussion about the nix package manager being made available as a package, well it is the response that put me on notice, someone sounded glad to have the chance to finally play with and find out about what this thing was ... which lead me to look
<aei>
and quickly buy into the idea, and (hey this completion thing i have on circe or emacs gets very annoying)
<aei>
after which it was turtles all the way down ... if you like what the package manager is doing so much why stick with the package manager, you are missing most of it ... plus it helps if you don't stick with the standard environments provided, and always craft your own anyway
<aei>
so thanks
<aei>
well, i am hoping to have movement sometime on 115265 and i guess will eventually jump up and down a bit in frustration ;-)
<aei>
ok have hogged the channel enough, later
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<aei>
hey been out and returned, so quiet, well heading out again shortly
<aei>
will look at the cli (rust list) ... gitui also is ... which i occasionally pop up to play with
<aei>
tig a more regular git cli (nvim for diffs)
<pie_>
ldlework: *thumbs up*
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<supersandro2000>
siraben: I just merged some PRs from the original repo before I knew overlays
<eyJhb>
My wall might be full of catnip or something - https://imgur.com/a/AWwlLo1 she has been smelling it for like 1-2 minutes
<colemickens>
"70 comments" lol
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<etu>
adisbladis: Now I have bonk and bonk-dump in my config :p
<colemickens>
today someone talked me out of packaging their software. and I appreciated it!
<__monty__>
What was their reasoning?
<joepie91>
"please don't actually use it, it will probably eat your dog"
<colemickens>
basically, "buy a better product with better upstream support"
<colemickens>
I guess not dissimilar from some rpi-related efforts
<colemickens>
bbigras: great rust tool list btw, thanks!
<colemickens>
now to find out which ones have HM modules already.
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<bbigras>
colemickens: zoxide, mcfly and delta
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* abathur
really needs a binary woahzard...
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<supersandro2000>
bbigras: fzf > mcfly
<supersandro2000>
agree with the others
<bbigras>
supersandro2000: any differences that you know between fzf and mcfly?
<supersandro2000>
I love aptitude: suggests remove git, install darcs; me trying to install a new version of git...
<supersandro2000>
bbigras: I thought it could copy the current input into the search
<supersandro2000>
but that is somehow broken again or never worked
<supersandro2000>
it works on another machine...
<bbigras>
supersandro2000: mcfly seems to include the current input. if I type something then hit ctrl+r, the something will be searched in the history.
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<supersandro2000>
fzf does that on one machine but not on the one I am currently...