<jess>
they're rescue cats that we took in quite young and their mum was feral, so they're a bit weird, but one of them decided i was her human and flees to me when things are noisy
<ashkitten>
aww
<samueldr>
joepie91: perfection
<ashkitten>
jess: these two were both rescues i guess. or at least spock was, i don't remember where q comes from but i know when he was a kitten my mom had to do surgery on him to put his guts in the right part of his body (she's a vet dw)
<joepie91>
:D
<joepie91>
samueldr: they nicely complement each other :P
<jess>
not just some vigilante surgeon
<samueldr>
though the topic of 1-indexing in lua is a bad meme... for having used lua extensively it's not remotely close to being an issue
<ldlework>
ashkitten: jess room for a few more?
<ashkitten>
jess: yee. she also had to amputate spock's tail
<colemickens>
I dont know how one uses HM standalone, but for NixOS, its just a matter of crafting a flakey expression that emits a nixos toplevel. seems like HM has a similar toplevel activation script that you can target to build
<pie_>
how the hell do i take a screenshot on gnome with wayland from the cli....shouldve waited another decade before anyone uses wayland :P
<siraben>
colemickens: thanks, I'll try it
<siraben>
pie_: meanwhile I still need to figure out how to get screensharing to work on wayland
<pie_>
i was going to wait for everything to magically turn sane and switch to something that uses wayland, but looks like gnome on nixos just uses it so i was like guess this is my life now
<colemickens>
siraben: that's a nixos service thing, idk if you're not on nixos
<siraben>
ooh
<pie_>
is wayland a switch with the new releases or is plasma still using x11?
<pie_>
because i might switch back to plasma
<siraben>
I am on NixOS (in another partition)
<siraben>
I should reboot now
<siraben>
also is it always the case that xwayland makes apps blurry on my HiDPI
<siraben>
display
<siraben>
if they run under X
<samueldr>
pie_: not yet working
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<colemickens>
siraben: but yeah, enabled XDG portals, enable the wlroots specific XDG portal, make sure env vars are set so that Firefox/Chrome WebRTC does the right thing... cross your fingers.
<samueldr>
pie_: but my work for plasma-mobile should in theory get the base things working
<cole-h>
doesn't gnome have an x11 switch?
<cole-h>
or did we get rid of that
<samueldr>
because plasma-mobile is basically plasma
<siraben>
I think Discord screen share is bugged on wayland
<colemickens>
siraben: the Xwayland being blurry is a Sway/X thing. There's been a PR for it for forever <my speculation about motivations redacted>
<samueldr>
the compositor in use should always be specific with such statements!
<samueldr>
since every^W many compositor implements the services independently!
<colemickens>
but we're basically weeks away from having a VSCode that runs on electron 12 (wayland capable)
<siraben>
I guess goal for 2030 would be to the point where a technologically inept person could use wayland without problems
<colemickens>
so I'm hoping to actually be able to permanently disable Xwayland soon.
<colemickens>
I should probably move the sway bits from xdg.nix into profiles/desktop-sway.nix and then I can just point people at desktop-sway.nix as definitively everything they might need for Wayland/screenshare with sway.
<pie_>
samueldr: i mean i might switch back to plasma if it uses x11
<colemickens>
siraben: now that OBS has builtin v4l2loopback support, you can workaround all of this stuff in other ways too.
<pie_>
siraben: as a technologically apt person, i have other things i care about instead :/
<samueldr>
pie_: for now with the nixos options it's not using wayland that's for sure
<colemickens>
siraben: I find it's useful to be able to throw my webcam through OBS anyway... I can add text, troll my family, etc.
<colemickens>
obs-wlrobs to display capture into obs, and then OBS can broadcast to a virtual camera that you actually use in Discord, Chrome, wherever webcams are accepted
<{^_^}>
nix#4289 (by abathur, 15 weeks ago, open): darwin: encrypt nix volume if filevault is enabled
<siraben>
abathur++ thanks for your work on this
<{^_^}>
abathur's karma got increased to 20
<siraben>
colemickens: Ok so I enabled the xdg.portal config in configuration.nix and set the env vars in home-manager, how do I check everything is good?
<samueldr>
user-agent detecting was a successful practice
<samueldr>
please discuss
<siraben>
samueldr: successful in what sense?
<samueldr>
I was trolling
<samueldr>
it wasn't successful in the web
<samueldr>
so "detecting" a platform like zoom apparently does is a fool's errand
<siraben>
I have privacy.resistFingerprinting = true on firefox
<siraben>
oh that's for the zoom desktop
<siraben>
colemickens: how does your screen sharing setup work?
<samueldr>
I was making a comparison
<samueldr>
they're detecting the operating system
<samueldr>
instead of detecting the features it requires
<siraben>
Right.
<samueldr>
not only the OS, but the compositor too!
<samueldr>
Best viewed with Internet Explorer 5.5
<samueldr>
same energy
<pie_>
for whatever reason i cant get flameshot to work either though aparently its supposed to
<siraben>
I still to have bugged my volume control
<siraben>
Ah, pactl not found.
* pie_
mumbles something about unix vendor lockin conspiracies
<pie_>
all this PITA noninteroperable software
<pie_>
my entire problem would be solved if any of the standard screenshot tools worked
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<siraben>
yay fixed my audio
<siraben>
colemickens: maybe because of this?
<siraben>
`[W][000002696.353884][main.c:76 load_config()] daemon 0x7ffe44aa5350: error loading config '/etc/pipewire/pipewire.conf': No such file or directory`
<pie_>
ugh the flameshot interface is weird as hell
<pie_>
apparently you need to start a backgroundprocess and THEN you can run flameshot gui??
<colemickens>
siraben: I don't think so, I've never done anything with it.
* siraben
is very confused about compositors
<pie_>
how am i supposed to script this
<colemickens>
siraben: I boot up that webpage, I click screen capture -> "use opeating system settings" -> my full screen capture is visible.
<siraben>
Huh
<colemickens>
I don't use Zoom, if you meant zoom specifically
<siraben>
I don't see anything after clicking use operating system settings
<siraben>
must be nice to avoid using Zoom, it's terrible
<colemickens>
it is nice, I don't like to think about having to compromise on certain boundaries I've set for myself regarding such things
<colemickens>
The only other ideas I have are: I'm on nixos-unstable, and I actually use profiles/desktop-sway-unstable.nix on my desktop machines right now, which uses nixpkgs-wayland
<siraben>
I'm using the Firefox from the nixpkg-wayland overlay
<siraben>
I'm on nixos-unstable
<colemickens>
nixpkgs-wayland has a newer xdg-portal-wlr, maybe that's related, idk
<colemickens>
there's no firefox in nixpkgs-wayland though :)
<siraben>
Oops I mean firefox-wayland from nixos-unstable
<colemickens>
that is a wrapper that only sets MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND (so it doesn't help/hurt right now)
<siraben>
Oh I also have xdg-desktop=portal-wlr in home.nix
<colemickens>
for me, xdg-desktop-portal-wlr is active (running)
<colemickens>
so far I can't tell why yours isn't working from looking at your config
<siraben>
I'll try another reboot
<colemickens>
siraben: do you have the wrapper stuff highlighted there enabled?
<colemickens>
I wonder if those wrappers help start dbus and somehow ... waves hands
<siraben>
Oh I didn't copy that
<colemickens>
there's always been some... interactions ... here that I don't quite understand
<siraben>
Huh will that override my wayland config?
<siraben>
I don't have programs.sway.enable = true
<siraben>
in home.nix
<colemickens>
oh
<colemickens>
you definitely want that
<colemickens>
it swaps out `sway` for a wrapped sway that does things you'll likely want/need like dbus.
<colemickens>
(WANT: a linter that tells you when you have stuff in homePackages or systemPackages that have an equivalent wrapped version)
<colemickens>
(aka, you want to remove it from your PATH so you are sure you get the wrapped copy)
<siraben>
"The option `programs.sway' does not exist. Definition values:"
<siraben>
hmm
<siraben>
I'm using mergeAttrs since this is going to only be activated for linux
<siraben>
Oh it isn't a hm config
<siraben>
"Existing file '/home/siraben/.config/sway/config' is in the way of '/nix/store/n4hgh2m54k3ngj3k2yx0yzp0fcqam0ya-home-manager-files/.config/sway/config'"
<{^_^}>
flameshot-org/flameshot#1480 (by deliciouslytyped, 2 minutes ago, open): Run without background process when -r or -p is passed (also allows not using dbus)
<siraben>
ok back from porting my sway config to home-manager
<siraben>
TIL lib.mkOptionDefault is great for extending/overriding the default keybindings
<pie_>
this should have been done with me doing grim | tesseract
<pie_>
but noooo, imagemagick import somehow hangs/crashes my x11, gnome-screenshot cant/refuses to output to stdout, and flameshot does this ridiculous background process thing (for a good reason most of the time, but pointless with stdout output)
<siraben>
how do I pipe to tesseract
<pie_>
thing | tesseract - -
<pie_>
or tesseract stdin stdout for the same effect
<lovesegfault>
I got a pair of Dan Clark Audio Aeon 2's
<lovesegfault>
they're planar cans, really great bass
<siraben>
"Nix solves all my problems, and causes all my problems."
<aaronjanse>
Nix inverts the difficulty of using a computer
<lovesegfault>
I drive them with a Schiit Jotunheim 2 and the AK4490 DAC card
<lovesegfault>
the DAC is kind of shit, but idk, I'll buy a better DAC someday
<aaronjanse>
Wanna put your OS on a thumb drive, compile firefox on a whim, or try out ancient software? Easy! Wanna run helloworld.py? Oh well about that...
<siraben>
lol
<aaronjanse>
I should probably get back to studying data structures for my midterm...
<lovesegfault>
IMHO Nix just shoves all the complexity in your face from the get-go
<aaronjanse>
That sounds accurate
<lovesegfault>
which means you get to see just how complex python packaging is :P
<lovesegfault>
"Ah, you forgot to set the PYTHON_NO_DESTROY_COMPUTER envvar, so setuptools erased your harddrive, as expected"
<pie_>
pffff cringe <aaronjanse> Wanna put your OS on a thumb drive, compile firefox on a whim, or try out ancient software? Easy! Wanna run helloworld.py? Oh well about that...
<aaronjanse>
lovesegfault: Lmaooo
<siraben>
pie_: can you give me a picture to convert?
<siraben>
or link
<pie_>
siraben: hold on
<pie_>
siraben: guess what im googling
<aaronjanse>
Star wars?
<siraben>
big if true
<aaronjanse>
^
<siraben>
aaronjanse: but at least everything is reproducible?!?
<siraben>
including your problems
<aaronjanse>
That is true
<siraben>
today i basically regressed my setup because I don't have screen locking anymore, but now the config is in home-manager
<aaronjanse>
I still have both bugs and bug fixes introduced by myself in 2017
<siraben>
but uh, screen sharing is still unresolved
<aaronjanse>
Aaah
<aaronjanse>
Why no more screen locking?
<siraben>
looking through these github search results, looks like people are copy/pasting from each other lol
<aaronjanse>
Ahaha
<siraben>
writing a startsway shell script and making a systemd daemon start it
<lovesegfault>
So, don't do that
<siraben>
aaronjanse: because I had it bound to a swaylock command but haven't added it back yet
<aaronjanse>
Oh that might be from the NixOS wiki
<aaronjanse>
Ah
<lovesegfault>
the "correct" solution is to make your shell start sway when on TTY1
<siraben>
aaronjanse: you're right, it's from the NixOS wiki
<lovesegfault>
I say "correct" because in _theory_ you can get a systemd unit to start sway on login
<siraben>
I should package various macOS applications so I can purge brew from my system
<lovesegfault>
literally the only trustworthy way of starting sway IMO
<lovesegfault>
s/IMO/IME/
<siraben>
wowie
<lovesegfault>
today I managed to run the last windows thing I needed under wine :D
<lovesegfault>
nuked my win10 VM
<siraben>
aaronjanse: but honestly the reproducibility is the best part, instead of formatting partitions then you can spend time pinpointing the issue and addressing it directly
<aaronjanse>
Definitely. And it's easy to describe issues and have people help debug it
<lovesegfault>
I guess it depends from user-to-user. What r13y gives me is the ability to deploy with certainty
<siraben>
I think people would be jealous of how we can share shell scripts without polluting each other's environments, heh
<siraben>
what's r13y stand for?
<lovesegfault>
reproducibility
<siraben>
Ah, heh
<lovesegfault>
i am l2y
* lovesegfault
starts speaking in base64 to save time
<LinuxHackerman>
oh no are we actually starting to use r13y as an abbreviation for reproducibility? >_<
<lovesegfault>
WWVhaCwgSSBoZWFyIHlhIQ==
<lovesegfault>
LinuxHackerman: *insert always has been meme*
<siraben>
d29uZGVyZnVsIQo=
<aaronjanse>
SSBjYW4gaGVhciB5b3Uh
<aaronjanse>
Are reacts mirrored to IRC?
<LinuxHackerman>
nop
<siraben>
no
<LinuxHackerman>
I refuse to acknowledge r13y as anything other than the name of gchristensen's reproducibility tracker
<lovesegfault>
anyway, having come from Gentoo, the ability to deploy binaries across systems with certainty still feels magical, even after all this time
<siraben>
are rainbows mirrored?
<lovesegfault>
LinuxHackerman: i18n, l10n, etc
<siraben>
looks like we got that domain name heh https://r13y.com
<siraben>
lovesegfault: what's the gentoo approach? compile everything from source?
<lovesegfault>
Yeah, gentoo is source-based
<LinuxHackerman>
lovesegfault: yes, I acknowledge those but think they're terrible and the nixos community doesn't need to introduce more of this crap into the world
<siraben>
why no cache at all? hm
<aaronjanse>
n3s is the official acronym for nixos
<lovesegfault>
for what it's worth, I think any linux user would benefit from a ~3-6 month stint with Gentoo
<aaronjanse>
n1x is the official acronym for Nix
<LinuxHackerman>
a11y is probably the worst because abbreviating like that is the opposite of accessibility
<aaronjanse>
Ahaha
<siraben>
lovesegfault: what would a linux user learn other than pain?
<siraben>
insert "install gentoo" meme
<lovesegfault>
siraben: it also puts a bunch of complexity up front, just a different type of complexity than Nix
<lovesegfault>
(to be clear, very happy/much prefer Nix/OS)
<aaronjanse>
Not Nix+OS?
<LinuxHackerman>
gentoo… or LFS? :p
<siraben>
NixOS's complexity seems at least composable, in usual FP fashion
<lovesegfault>
Just to be clear, I agree NixOS's design is superior :)
<aaronjanse>
Can we add services.antigravity to NixOS?
<aaronjanse>
So I can services.antigravity.enable = true?
<lovesegfault>
(which is why I use it)
<siraben>
aaronjanse: did you end up pinning the nixpkgs registry entry?
<aaronjanse>
Where? I'm not sure what you're referring to :-/
<siraben>
oh some time ago I mentioned pinning the entry to resolve the problem of continually downloading tarballs when you do nix run nixpkgs#hello
<aaronjanse>
Oh yeah, I did! Tysm. It's much nicer now
<lovesegfault>
so if you built it yourself it'd be less than half the cost of the prebuilt one
<srk>
looks indestructible
<srk>
'Teflon insulated stranded conductors using pure single crystallized UP-OCC pure copper with 7N purity 99.99998%' aha.. :D
<lovesegfault>
audiophoolery
<srk>
^^
<lovesegfault>
BUT I can attest they're really quiet cables
<lovesegfault>
quiet as in no microphonics from fabrics
<lovesegfault>
rubbing, etc
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<talyz>
lovesegfault: haha, I though I recognized moon-audio and now I remember that they made a cable I had for my Shure SE535s which had the issue that you could hear really well when something struck it, because it was so stiff
<talyz>
lovesegfault: that probably only applies to their in-ear cables, though :)
<lovesegfault>
O.O
<lovesegfault>
I have one of their cables for my Raal SR-1a's, I really like it
<lovesegfault>
but I've never owned IEMs, so also no clue on those :D
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<supersandro2000>
Doesn't opensuse use zypper which is painfully slow?
<jess>
#nixos-cat i STAN this
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<infinisil>
gchristensen: Add ~/bin to PATH, but add some automation that continuously watches files in that directory. If there was no change in 1 hour it moves the script into your system config and does a rebuild to make it static. If you want to develop it further, move it back to ~/bin
<gchristensen>
oh that is a nice idea
<etu>
gchristensen: I guess you're aware of environment.homeBinInPath already
<gchristensen>
yeah
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<gchristensen>
"I just find the rhel bash to be ... buggy, like you type a few million commands in and it just starts getting weird."
<__monty__>
That's weird for what is probably the system with the most long-running servers.
<gchristensen>
bug-for-bug compatibility
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<andi->
maybe those few million commands where supposed to be a program.
<gchristensen>
:D
<joepie91>
andi-: maybe it was pmusic!
<andi->
what is pmusic and why is that acceptable?
<joepie91>
oh boy oh boy oh boy
<joepie91>
one moment
<andi->
How do you test a million lines of bash anyway?!?
<joepie91>
lovesegfault: that sounds consistent with their powerline cable
<joepie91>
which I've been super happy with tbh
<joepie91>
also rubberized coating can definitely still carry weird sound
<joepie91>
source: my first pair of MD-52 earbuds which had rather stiff rubberized wires
<joepie91>
sounded like a bouncy ball smacked against your head if you bumped the wire into something :P
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<lovesegfault>
Right, my current cables are rubberized and I get that too :P
<lovesegfault>
but IMHO it's not a "bad" sound
<lovesegfault>
the sound of a fabric cable rubbing on clothing on the other hand
* lovesegfault
cringes
<lovesegfault>
worst sound
<joepie91>
I don't like either :P
* f0x
laughs over bluetooth :D
<f0x>
never back to cables
<joepie91>
enjoy your 1.5s audio latency :P
<lovesegfault>
My main gripe with BT is the headphones kind of suck
<lovesegfault>
even the best ones
<lovesegfault>
WH-1000XM4, QC 35II, 700 NC all sound meh
<lovesegfault>
the airpods max are supposed to sound good
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<joepie91>
QC is definitely meh
<lovesegfault>
but then they have horrible design
<joepie91>
I've actually found my Motorola Pulse Escape to sound better
<f0x>
joepie91: no noticable latency at all here
<joepie91>
but no ANC
<f0x>
and my sennheiser hd4.40bt are real comfy
<joepie91>
(and those were like 20 eur)
<lovesegfault>
Real talk: you don't need ANC for 90% of the environments you listen in
<lovesegfault>
Home, office, coffee shop, etc
<joepie91>
I specifically use headphones for environments where I do :) and I am also highly sensitive to environmental noise
<joepie91>
I've been using them to drown out construction noise here for example
<joepie91>
and on a train they help to focus on work
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<sparogy>
yeah you may not need it in most places, but once you do oh boy is it worth it
<lovesegfault>
idk, maybe my hearing sucks, but with a pair of closed-back headphones playing quiet-volume music I can't hear construction, or my wife working
<lovesegfault>
sparogy: Right, I use an ANC headphone to take the BART (bay area subway)
<lovesegfault>
because it's deafeningly loud inside
<lovesegfault>
like, "damage to hearing" loud
<lovesegfault>
the BART banshee
<cransom>
any time i rode the bart, i kind of wondered why that amount of sound was allowable to thousands of people per day.
<sparogy>
lovesegfault: and once we can finally be on planes again, 10/10 would not go back to no ANC
<sparogy>
but I would rather have a minimal number of headphones where possible
<lovesegfault>
cransom: it's insane
<cransom>
i've had open frame headphones for almost 20 years, because i wanted to hear other things. recently swapped to closed or buds that had ANC/transparency modes and I don't have plans on going back.
<lovesegfault>
sparogy: actually, IMHO ANC over-ear cans aren't great for planes
<lovesegfault>
b/c it's hard to sleep
<lovesegfault>
the _best_ audio device on an airplane are custom IEMs
<lovesegfault>
but $$$$
<joepie91>
lovesegfault: my hearing is pretty good but that's not really the problem, the problem is that my brain optimizes for things that fuck me up
<cransom>
i tried the wh-1000xm4s for a bit. i couldn't stand the tight space and the foam. i'm not into sweaty ears. it was my first ANC experience though and it was powerful in that respect.
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<sparogy>
lovesegfault: that is true! I have other issues trying to sleep on planes though, headphones or no, just can't get comfortable
<lovesegfault>
cransom: I own the earlier model, wh-1000xm2s and while they have served me well for years I agree about the narrow/uncomfortable pads
<lovesegfault>
they made my ears burn a bit
<lovesegfault>
sparogy: gotta keep ordering booze until you pass out, that's the name of the game
<cransom>
i've never been 'comfortable' on a plane, but at a point, i flew so much that my body would just shut off when take off thrust hit. it weirds out my partner that i can do that.
<gchristensen>
tragically I have a very hard time sleeping on a plane. can't do it.
<lovesegfault>
I can sleep with the right incentives
<gchristensen>
incentives?
<lovesegfault>
Yeah, I take a chill pill
<joepie91>
last time I took a plane, the schedule was so fucked up that I slept the entire way through
<lovesegfault>
(on super long flights)
<joepie91>
woke up at 02:00 to pack my shit and be at the airport by 05:30 or some shit
<gchristensen>
hopefully one day my employer puts me in better than coach
<lovesegfault>
the alternative is not sleeping on the plane at all, then not sleeping until night wherever you arrive, and then getting rekd
<gchristensen>
yeah I go the rekd route but not by choice
<f0x>
trains++
<lovesegfault>
I really want a SFO -> GIG train line
<gchristensen>
no trouble sleeping on a train, I just can't get anywhere by train
<lovesegfault>
trains in the west coast are complicated
<lovesegfault>
like, if you're taking the amtrak be ready to not get where you're going on time
<f0x>
joepie91: there's like trains, but on water, ferries they call em I think :P
<f0x>
oof haha
<f0x>
yeah that would be quite the trip
<joepie91>
... which was then delayed by like 3-4 hours due to airport strikes
<joepie91>
to catch the Ultra Super Budget flight back to mainland Europe :P
<joepie91>
f0x: train to iceland is challenging
<joepie91>
:P
<joepie91>
(also, this flight was back before wow air folded)
<joepie91>
I do prefer trains, but there is a point where the ocean says "haha get fucked"
<joepie91>
it would take about a week of travel, with a stop at the faroe islands, and cost the earth
<joepie91>
f0x: I looked into that, actually
<joepie91>
I could not afford a week of travel :P
<joepie91>
it would be more of a low-budget cruise in some ways
<joepie91>
so yeah, cheap flight it was
<joepie91>
unfortunately cheap flight also means that you end up scheduled for 05:30 departure
<joepie91>
at least I found a way to work around the manual check-in...
<cole-h>
wow
<cole-h>
those all came in at once lol
<joepie91>
turns out there was an online check-in squirreled away on their canadian site but it took EU flight numbers just fine
<joepie91>
.... are we lagging?
<f0x>
ping
<f0x>
weird, bridging seems fine in other channels at least
<veleiro>
does anyone here know what urbit is? what the hell is an "overlay OS"
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<hodapp>
grah, it irks me when people use "OS" to describe things that are very unconnected
<samueldr>
veleiro: pie in the sky ideas based on active destruction of the ecosystem I think
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<hodapp>
after reading about the guy that started it I kind of want nothing to do with it
<samueldr>
s/ecosystem/environment
<veleiro>
oohhhh you mean a VM
<veleiro>
everyone has a new answer to the internet nowadays
<gchristensen>
woohoo ... wrote some perl to fetch the fake derivation channel from hydra, decompress it, extract the default.nix from the contained tar, and then evaluate it ...
<ehmry>
veleiro: I was going to package it but I stopped when I got to buy-some-etherum-whatever-token
<ehmry>
this was also before I knew about the origins, but I heard some interview with one of the developers and they seemed reasonable
<ehmry>
I think an "overlay OS" is not a bad idea, but I think we already have this with oberon and pharo (pharo also seems unpackagable)
<hodapp>
oberon & pharo are overlay OSes?
<ehmry>
hodapp: depends how you define overlay os :)
<hodapp>
how do you define it? :P
<ehmry>
hodapp: an environment that fully abstracts the OS that it runs on?
<ehmry>
but is rich enough to cover most of what you would need from an OS
<__monty__>
Oof, "Hitler's invasions were acts of self-defense" sums it up I guess.
<ehmry>
yea, i take back what I said about the other developers maybe not being horrible
<__monty__>
If it's foss, maybe they never bothered checking out the other developers? There's a *little* bit of leeway for reasonable doubt.
<__monty__>
But yeah, a bit similar to the ReiserFS situation.
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<ashkitten>
samueldr: plamo is a funny word
<ashkitten>
:D
<samueldr>
less swear-worthy than phoc! (the compositor for phosh!)
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<veleiro>
wikipedia isnt a reliable source for information, anyone and everyone that is right of center is considered an altright and nazi etc
<veleiro>
there are no reliable sources of information unless its about something at least 20 years ago
<veleiro>
and even then not so much
<veleiro>
information war age
<ashkitten>
:/
<colemickens>
:///
<infinisil>
://///
<ashkitten>
veleiro: it's unfortunate that you have such a misguided opinion, because i partly agree with you about it being hard to track down accurate info...
<ashkitten>
though that's always been true, for the entirety of history
<ashkitten>
history is written by those who have enough money/power to spend it on having their history written
<joepie91>
:|
<veleiro>
i have a misguided opinion because i said wikipedia isnt a reliable source of information?
<veleiro>
this has been true since its inception
<gchristensen>
my objection is this sort of hint of actual truth that can be found, which I think more meme than anything
<veleiro>
wikipedia was supposed to be the encyclopedia of the world, everyone collaborating and contributing, then years later they release statistics and OMG 12-20 people do 95% of the contributions
<veleiro>
and wow what a surprise they all share the same opinions
<veleiro>
its not that hard to figure out
<ashkitten>
veleiro: the misguided part is your statement that "everyone that is right of center is considered an altright and nazi etc"
<gchristensen>
oh yikes didn't see that
<gchristensen>
I'm tempted to say this is off topic
<{^_^}>
drakonis's karma got increased to 16, it's a crit!
<drakonis>
the pun isnt even mine
<drakonis>
there's also the crabtop
<drakonis>
how many crabs would i need to make a crabtop?
<colemickens>
timing is everything ;)
<veleiro>
i'd be happy to see that these contributions come from both sides of the spectrum in relatively shared capacity but I am willing to be it wont be the case
<samueldr>
I guess it's more important to think in volume
<samueldr>
and can... "crabs"... be crabs enough for a crabtop computer?
<samueldr>
probably more practical than bigger-sized crabs!
<samueldr>
though you... probably don't want the crabtop on your lap
<drakonis>
probably not
<drakonis>
but how do you deal with the latency?
<ajs124>
crabtops? what do the #krebs people have to say about that?
<veleiro>
sorry, its late, i shouldnt have brought that opinion up here
<gchristensen>
*sigh* I had to make a LinkedIn account. my transformation to business drone is nearing completion
<drakonis>
lol
<drakonis>
swell
<ashkitten>
gchristensen: you only just now had to?
<gchristensen>
I had one for a while, then deleted it a while ago because I didn't want to update it
<gchristensen>
(and my employer was very persistent about wanting me to update it.)
<samueldr>
gchristensen: is your employer linkedin?