<samueldr>
one thing that was annoying: first time I did that, I don't want to make 12 servings or more, and most recipes I found online were quite vague about how to adjust proportions and stuff
<samueldr>
so it was all a big experiment about figuring out how much stuff to put in!
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<abathur>
hmm
<abathur>
how long has this github README toc/outline icon been here?
<abathur>
weird question(s) I guess, but: what would you consider ~definitional/essential for a shell exec wrapper, and bonus: what's the most-complex exec wrapper you can think of? (if you can think of any that stand out)
<abathur>
for context, I'm thinking about how to map executable wrapper -> wrapped executable, and seeking out model-challenging examples :)
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<aleph->
Ahhh good old Cadey
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<samueldr>
a thing I did in the past on similar machines (without a "KVM") is to use qemu (with another kind of kvm heh) to boot the "machine" from the rescue environment
<aaronjanse>
Huh I wonder why they chose morph over nixops
<aaronjanse>
I've also heard of some people using deploy-rs
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<pie_>
" Huh, a case where using kubernetes is actually justified. "
<pie_>
" Also like kubernetes, here's a picture of 20,000 zombie containers, getting no work done. "
<pie_>
:'D
<siraben>
I wish I could find a website that lets me play back the vessel data, did all the ships decide to go around Africa or are still waiting?
<lassulus>
I guess some are waiting, some are going around. there are still a lot waiting
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<Patagonicus-web>
Weird. My The Lounge instance is broken again and can't connect to freenode. Something something VM, I guess. Anyway, currently updating for the openssl patches anyway and plan on restarting once that's done.
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<sterni>
siraben: we used to have a hydra tracking master and building specific machine configs plus all test of modules used by that machines. Arguably this is the only way you can feasible use nixpkgs master
<sterni>
siraben: still it was pretty painful since everytime you wanted to change something and test the config locally you'd sit there compiling random stuff for ages
<sterni>
I switched away from that setup because it was too annoying for ad hoc stuff imo and nowadays we just track unstable
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<supersandro2000>
alternative to that: you have fast build machines where even staging takes only a few minutes to an hour
<LinuxHackerman>
where do I get these fast build machines? :o
<sterni>
if you throw like 100€/month at hetzner I guess
<Ke>
first sell some of your stocks and use the paper money (worthless fiat) to create a fire on your forge
<Ke>
then use your hammer to fashion some sand into cpus
<supersandro2000>
for 100€/m you get 12 cores, 128GB RAM, 2x2TB SSD
<supersandro2000>
not to shabby
<LinuxHackerman>
Yeah that is not going to do a mass rebuild that quickly.
<supersandro2000>
but if you are on master a 6 year old 4 core intel with 32 GB is enough
<supersandro2000>
I don't expect that anyone really needs to build staging+stdenv in an hour
<supersandro2000>
thats a bit overkill
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<Synthetica>
speaking of fast builds: has openssl 1.1.1k already landed in any channels?
<eyJhb>
But then.. Why spidermonkey gchristensen ? :D
<gchristensen>
policykit uses javascript for its rules
<eyJhb>
And policykit is default?
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<supersandro2000>
that sounds like something totally cool
<eyJhb>
supersandro2000: It sounds like I have to rebuild spidermoney, rust, firefox and systemd + everything else that is on my router each time I have to test something systemd...
<eyJhb>
:$
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: Yes, it's the default
<supersandro2000>
why are you not pulling in only the new systemd?
<eyJhb>
supersandro2000: Guessing you mean by changing systemd.package ?
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: :( It hurts
<supersandro2000>
yeah
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: You can probably disable it safely on your router
<eyJhb>
supersandro2000: Might do that
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: Hopefully, I don't use much.
<eyJhb>
But it would also only be while testing stuff :p
<adisbladis>
IMO polkit is mostly relevant for desktop systems
<adisbladis>
I wonder how much work it would be to switch it to use nodejs...
<eyJhb>
adisbladis: You go!
<eyJhb>
With all your freetime and stuff ;) :p
<eyJhb>
Recompiling glibc
<eyJhb>
I guess
<adisbladis>
eyJhb: I'm guessing the answer is "a ton" :P
<lukegb>
I mean, the Thinkpad BIOS was absolutely shit and had basically no options other than setting the date/time
<lukegb>
but at least it had a bird
<Cynthia>
etu: looks cursed
<adisbladis>
lukegb: Something something flipping the bird
<etu>
Cynthia: Well when you wanted ECC before AMD became good again, you kinda had to go to Xeon, then you had quite limited choices of boards on the consumer market.
<Cynthia>
I generally buy ASUS mobos as of the consumer brands, they seem to have the best linux support, I have seen firmware changelog entries specifically mentioning linux, which is pretty impressive for a consumer mobo
<Cynthia>
sure the firmware interface UI looks very gaming, but it works :p
<adisbladis>
Cynthia: ASUS or not doesn't help when Intel is doing everything in their power to segment the market
<Cynthia>
I have had 1 gigabyte mobo in recent times, and the NIC didn't work on Linux iirc
<Cynthia>
adisbladis: hm?
<adisbladis>
Cynthia: I mean Intel is really hurting the adoption of ECC
<adisbladis>
AMD supports it on pretty much everything
<Cynthia>
ah, I have no take on that, I just meant with regards to linux compat
<adisbladis>
Even if you might not get official support for ECC at least they don't try to restrict it
<adisbladis>
Fuck Intel for that.
<adisbladis>
etu: I even bought and AMD Bulldozer once just to get ECC
<etu>
adisbladis: oh my
<etu>
I did build so many of those machines
<adisbladis>
I mean it was decent for a file server
<etu>
~600 maybe?
<adisbladis>
First gen CPUs with AES-NI
<adisbladis>
Oh right, you had that job :P
<etu>
Indeed
<crazazy[m]>
im a liiittle pissed atm
<crazazy[m]>
turns out when you do nixos-rebuild with a flake.nix is your /etc/nixos, nix tries to execute a flake command
<{^_^}>
Starship SN11 test flight, possibly today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJXEq9IX1To: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
<gchristensen>
nice
<gchristensen>
hopefully you ,lau\nch when it is closer :D
<infinisil>
I'll try :)
<lovesegfault>
is this the one that always goes boom?
<infinisil>
Maybe not this time!
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<abathur>
supersandro2000: I noticed a while back that the nixpk.gs tracker wasn't acknowledging two PRs had reached unstable when a local checkout of the branch said they were present; I assumed it was caching and that I was just checking too obsessively
<supersandro2000>
abathur: I don't know. Not using it for very long I must admit.
<abathur>
nod
<supersandro2000>
hopefully it is not caching like the gitlab api with some stats
<supersandro2000>
the more often you call it the longer it waits to update
<supersandro2000>
whcih is pretty great for a CI because it only invalidated on quiet days or the weekend
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<cransom>
my favorite kinds of management requests. please write some documentation to click through a web gui to perform an action, where the individual steps boil down to 'to add X, press the 'add x' button'.
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<cransom>
closely followed by 'can you also write docs on how to detect and then defeat possible future DoS attacks on our web application?' sigh.
<Ke>
show him some initiative and write instructions in Napoleon tries to make a landing to seize the servers
<Ke>
what to do in case
<aaronjanse>
^you can never be overprepared
<supersandro2000>
cransom: you know sharex?
<supersandro2000>
screenshot and put a red arrow on it
<supersandro2000>
text under the picture: please see picture for instructions
* __monty__
was expecting endless redirects, is fairly disappointed.
<bbigras>
it's a bit depressing that I had ipv6 like 15 years ago when I lived at my parents' but for some reason my current isp doesn't give a shit about ipv6.
<ajs124>
I'm paying 5€/mo extra just to get a real IPv4 address -.-
<ajs124>
At least I got v6 for free, though.
<bbigras>
oh 5€/mo is not bad. here I think I would need a business connection.
<ajs124>
oof. which ISP is that?
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<bbigras>
I might be wrong but I think all the isp over here are like that.
<philipp[m]2>
,launch SN11 is canceled for today.
<{^_^}>
SN11 is canceled for today.: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
<lovesegfault>
no boom :(
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<veleiro>
about to try the nativecomp+pgtk3 emacs overlay of nix-community/emacs-overlay, excited
<sterni>
ajs124: yeah!! thanks
<ashkitten>
it's kinda sad that matrix people want so hard for irc bridging to be good but here i am with a matrix server of my own and i still use weechat to connect to irc
<cransom>
same. i use weechat for matrix than i use element/other clients for matrix.
<pie_>
"Joel Spolsky in 2002 identified a major pattern in technology business & economics: the pattern of “commoditizing your complement”, an alternative to vertical integration, where companies seek to secure a chokepoint or quasi-monopoly in products composed of many necessary & sufficient layers by dominating one layer while fostering so much
<pie_>
competition in another layer above or below its layer that no competing monopolist can emerge, prices are driven down to marginal costs elsewhere in the stack, total price drops & increases demand, and the majority of the consumer surplus of the final product can be diverted to the quasi-monopolist. A classic example is the commodification of PC hardware by the
<pie_>
Microsoft OS monopoly, to the detriment of IBM & benefit of MS."
<pie_>
in usual gwern quality
<pie_>
(old post, just thought its worth a repostÖ
<eyJhb>
bbigras: Generally the IPv6 adoption is sad
<eyJhb>
Facebook says about 6% of users in DK uses IPv6
<bbigras>
wow
<eyJhb>
Also, we have few IPv6 ISPs in DK - https://ipv6-adresse.dk/ , they don't give a flying fuck.. Because we have enough IPv4 in DK. Otherwise, they just NAT you..........
<Cynthia>
mentions of Denmark in this channel on a friday now just makes me think of cappy hour...
<eyJhb>
So then you are a bunch of people, behind a NAT, and then you own firewall with another NAT
<eyJhb>
Cynthia: How come?
<eyJhb>
I read it as "crappy hour"
<Cynthia>
CGNAT is the typical term
<Cynthia>
oh lol
<Cynthia>
eyJhb: does it make sense now or does "cappy hour" also not make sense?
<eyJhb>
Cynthia: CGNAT is a dick move when we have IPv6...
<eyJhb>
It does not. Crappy hour made somewhat more sense
<eyJhb>
:P
<Cynthia>
cappy hour, aka people start typing in all caps, sometimes in Swedish
<eyJhb>
OH
<eyJhb>
NO
<Cynthia>
YES :3
<eyJhb>
You go away with that kind of talk. Don't let mrworldwide hear of that
<Cynthia>
blame adisbladis, tazjin, and flokli I think
<eyJhb>
Ohh no..
<eyJhb>
,mrworldwide
<{^_^}>
adisbladis
<Cynthia>
ah yes
<eyJhb>
:D You tagged him first :p
<Cynthia>
why is he "mrworldwide"?
<eyJhb>
He keeps moving around
<Cynthia>
I mean fair
<eyJhb>
You never really know where he is
<Cynthia>
I am pretty sure I know roughly
<Cynthia>
amusingly enough he is probably the only person in here who I met IRL first before meeting online
<eyJhb>
But will you know in... 2 months?
<eyJhb>
:D
<Cynthia>
who knows, a bit over 2 months ago he was here
<eyJhb>
Exactly!
<eyJhb>
Oh, just to put it out there. Finally switched to nftables! Feels great. A ton of help from andi- :D
<eyJhb>
andi-++
<{^_^}>
andi-'s karma got increased to 60
<Cynthia>
I mean he is sneaky
<lovesegfault>
eyJhb: How much work was it?
<lovesegfault>
I just use the normal nixos firewall module
<lovesegfault>
which IIRC is iptables-based
<eyJhb>
lovesegfault: Ehmmm.. I just looked at andi-'s rules, got some help, rebooted, and done (add another reboot for IPv6 issues)