gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<COLE-H> WHY IS IT THAT UPDATING SWAY BREAKS GAMMA APPS LIKE REDSHIFT >:(
<Swant> READ THEIR WEBSITE, WHICH THERE IS LIKE 12 OF FOR SOME REASON, THINK YOU GET THE ANSWER, CALL THEM, GET A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANSWER, LIE DOWN AND CRY
<Cynthia> Swant: I EXPECTED BETTER AS I CALLED SEKRETESSGRUPPEN THAT PRETTY MUCH ONLY DEALS WITH THIS CRAP
<ADISBLADIS> CYNTHIA: FYI I'M STILL LISTENING TO SMOOTH JAZZ NYAN
<Swant> SEKRETESSGRUPPEN IS SUCH A MYNDIGHETSNAMN
<Cynthia> ADISBLADIS: SAME, I AM NOT EVEN GOING INSA--- NYA NYA NYA NYA NYA NYA
<ADISBLADIS> FÖRENINGEN FÖR FÖRARGELSEVÄCKANDE BETEENDE APPROVES
<Swant> I MEAN I LOST TRUST THAT SPECIALISED GROUPS LIKE THAT HAS ANY CLUE WHEN I TRIED TO START MY ENSKILDA FIRMA WHEN I WAS A YOUNGLING, AND ÖVERFÖRMYNDARNÄMNDEN DENIED ME BASED ON LEGISLATION THAT WAS REPEALED IN 2006
<Cynthia> CA/MEME FORUM APPROVES OF THE VERY EASY TAX PAPERWORK IT HAS TO DO AS IT HAD NO TAXABLE INCOME
<eta> WE DO?
<Swant> CYNTHIA OH YES IDEELLA FÖRENINGAR ARE AMAZING TO CREATE
<Swant> AND HENCE I'VE CREATED WAY TOO MANY
<ADISBLADIS> ETA: BABY SHARK DO DO DO DO
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<ADISBLADIS> ACTUAL FACT: AT ONE POINT I SAW 50-60 BABY SHARKS
<Swant> ETA YES I'VE READ YOUR TAX STATUS IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS
<ADISBLADIS> IT WAS AMAZING
<Cynthia> eta: THAT HAS BEEN THE UNDERSTANDING SO FAR, BUT WE CAN HOLD A BOARD MEETING TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT
<ADISBLADIS> YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THE BOARD
<Cynthia> ADISBLADIS: WHO?
<ADISBLADIS> NONE OF YOU ARE
<Cynthia> I AM AND SO IS ETA :3
<ADISBLADIS> NOT OF THE BOARD
<ADISBLADIS> MAYBE OF A BOARD
<Cynthia> ...
<ADISBLADIS> BUT NOT _THE_ BOARD
<multi> WHAT IS THIS *THE* BOARD YOU SPEAK OF?
<ADISBLADIS> THE BOARD ROOM
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<ADISBLADIS> DUH
<Swant> MULTI MY CHARCETURIE BOARD
<multi> SWANT: YOU WOT
<Swant> I'VE PUT NO EFFORT INTO SPELLING THAT WORD, AND I WILL NOT
<ADISBLADIS> SEE, IM A MEMBER
<Cynthia> ADISBLADIS, SWANT: ME AND ADISBLADIS TALKED ABOUT CIRCULAR DEPENCY ASSOCIATIONS
<Swant> CHARCUTERIE*
<Swant> CYNTHIA OOH?
<Swant> ADISBLADIS IT FEELS LIKE THAT ORG WOULD LIKE EN HELT VANLIG JÄVLA KAKA
<ADISBLADIS> SWANT: YES, ITS THAT KIND OF GROUP
<ADISBLADIS> ACTUALLY THAT GROUP GOT ME INTO NIX LOL
<Cynthia> WHAT IF YOU HAVE A GROUP OF 4 ASSOCIATIONS AND THEIR ONLY MEMBERS WOULD BE THE 3 OTHERS
<TAZJIN> NÄMENFOROMATTINIHELVETEALLTSÅ
<ADISBLADIS> TAZJIN: TA SIG LUGN NU SATANA
<TAZJIN> ADISBLADIS: NIX OCH ANDRA BYGGSYSTEM SKAPAS AV EGOTS VIBRATIONER
<STERNI> COLE-H: THERE IS A WLROOTS SPECIFIC REDSHIFT REPLACEMENT IIRC
<COLE-H> STERNI: THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM
<ADISBLADIS> TAZJIN: EGOT INTENSIFIES
<COLE-H> STERNI: THE PROBLEM IS THIS: 00:01:31.183 [ERROR] [backend/drm/legacy.c:157] Failed to set gamma LUT on CRTC 50: Invalid argument
<STERNI> COLE-H: OH NO
<COLE-H> EVEN THOUGH IT WORKS ON OLD SWAY 1.4 WLROOTS 0.10.1
<COLE-H> WHICH IS WHY I'VE BEEN PINNED TO THAT FOR MONTHS NOW
* ADISBLADIS BYGGER TAZJIN MED LITE VIBRATIONER
<TAZJIN> OJOJOJ
<ADISBLADIS> VIBRATE YOU INTO EXISTENCE
<Swant> CYNTHIA I.... WELL... I MEAN I SUPPOSE IT WOULD TECHNICALLY *WORK*
<Cynthia> YES
<Cynthia> IT WOULD BE THE MOST CURSED STRUCTURE EVER
<Swant> BUT ONCE YOU GOT IT INTO THAT STATE HOW WOULD YOU SIGN THE ONCE PER 5 YEAR TAX FORM EXCEPTION?
<Swant> IT IS INCREDIBLY CURSED
<Swant> WOULD IT LIVE FOREVER OR WOULD IT BREAK STUFF
<Swant> LIKE YOU DON'T REGISTER IT IN ANY SYSTEM REALLY
<Cynthia> SWANT: WE CAN ENSHRINE ANOTHER NON PROFIT AS AUTHORIZED COMPANY SIGNATORY IN THE ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION
<Swant> WHAT ABOUT JUST DOING THAT FOR ONE OF THEM
<Cynthia> ALSO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS ONE DOCUMENT CAN'T CREATE MULTIPLE ONES IN ONE GO
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<ADISBLADIS> TAZJIN: I'M HUNGRY :/
<Cynthia> WITH THE MEMBERS PREDEFINED AS THE OTHERS
<Swant> WELL
<Swant> MY BRAIN
<Cynthia> Swant: IKR!
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<Swant> IMAGINE SIGNING A PAPER
<Cynthia> I HAVE DONE IT MANY TIMES
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<Swant> ORG EXT SIGNS FOR ORG 1 THAT SIGNS FOR ORG 2 USING ORG EXT'S SIGNATURE, ORG 2 THEN SIGNS FOR ORG 3 USING ORG 1 THAT USES ORG EXT'S SIGNATURE
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<ADISBLADIS> YO DAWG I HEARD YOU LIKE ORGS
<Cynthia> YEAH
<Swant> ALL THE WAY AROUND UNTIL ORG 5 SIGNS FOR ORG 1 ON ORG 1'S BEHALF
<Cynthia> THIS IS MY KIND OF CURSED CRAP
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<Swant> DO THAT LIKE 20 LAPS AROUND THEN SEND THE BANK A 20 PAGE DOCUMENT OF AUTHORISED SIGNATURES
<Cynthia> I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A BANK TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT
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<Swant> ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT
<Cynthia> OH NO
* Swant PRINTS SOME SKV 8400
<Cynthia> Swant: AAAAA
<Swant> DO I KNOW THAT FORM NUMBER WITHOUT LOOKING?
<Swant> YES
<Swant> YES I DO
<Cynthia> Swant: WAS JUST ABOUT TO POINT IT OUT!!!
<Cynthia> WHY???
<Swant> I DON'T KNOW
<Swant> I'VE ONLY CREATED LIKE 3-5 IDEELLA FÖRENINGAR
<Swant> I GOT NO REASON TO KNOW IT
<Swant> BUT SOME NUMBERS JUST STICKS
<ASHKITTEN> HOW LONG HAVE I BEEN GONE FOR
<Swant> ASHKITTEN ABOUT 7 IDEELLA FÖRENINGAR AND 12 SIGNATURES
<ADISBLADIS> SWANT: HOW MUCH IS THAT IN FEMTOSECONDS THO
<ASHKITTEN> I COMPLETELY DISSOCIATED LOL
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<Cynthia> Swant: I APPROVE OF THIS INTENSE BUREAUCRACY NERDERY
<Swant> ADISBLADIS: A HANDFUL
<ADISBLADIS> SWANT: THANKS
<Swant> CYNTHIA I MEAN WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO DO?!
<Cynthia> I KNOW RIGHT
<Swant> FIGURE OUT HOW CURSED SWEDISH BANK ACCOUNT NUMBERS ARE?
<Swant> THAT'D BE CRAZY
<Cynthia> BUT YOU ALREADY DID THAT
<Cynthia> THAT'S ALREADY A COMPLETED TASK
* Swant SHOVES THEIR ONLY NPM PACKAGE UNDER THE RUG
<gchristensen> OH BOY: https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/232
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<Swant> CYNTHIA I AM OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS ON NEW TYPES OF NUMBERS
<Swant> THE NUMBER 7 IS A GREAT ONE
<ADISBLADIS> GCHRISTENSEN: I CAN'T READ THAT... I CAN'T GET PAST THE AUTHOR NAME WITHOUT DYING OF LAUGTHER
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<Cynthia> Swant: INTERNET NUMBERS
<gchristensen> ADISBLADIS: OKAY BUT READ THE LAST SENTENCE OF THE ABSTRACT
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<ADISBLADIS> WAIT WHAT
<ASHKITTEN> "THIS KILLS THE HUMAN"
<Swant> CYNTHIA THAT *SOUNDS* LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY SPECIFIED NEATLY IN AN RFC SOMEWHERE
<Swant> BUT YOU SUGGESTING IT MAKES ME FEARFULLY DOUBT THAT
<Cynthia> Swant: IDK ABOUT NEATLY BUT FAIR POINT
<Swant> NEATLY IS RELATIVE
<Cynthia> THAT'S TRUE
<Cynthia> BTW THE CA/MEME FORUM HAS AN ASN AND A /32 PREFIX OF IPV6 ADDRESSES
<Swant> WONDER HOW ANNOYING IT WOULD BE TO GET A /32
<Cynthia> EASY IF YOU ARE A MEMBER
<Swant> RIGHT
<Cynthia> I GOT 2x /29 WITH NO QUESTIONS, AND YET ANOTHER ONE WITH A QUESTION AND A TRUE BUT UTTERLY SILLY REASON
<Swant> THE "IF" MAKES ME SCARED
<Swant> IT WOULD BE FUN TO GET SOME IPV6 ADDRESSES, JUST A FEW, BUT I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE HOW I'D EVEN GO ABOUT USING THEM
<Cynthia> Swant: YEAH IS EXPENSIVE HOBBY
<ADISBLADIS> GCHRISTENSEN: BOOKMARKED THIS FOR TOMORROW
<Cynthia> BECAUSE YOY WILL EVENTUALLY WANT IPV4
<hexa-> 2100 € first year, 1400 € following years, plus 50 € per resource (IP Prefixes)
<Cynthia> NOT QUITE
<hexa-> you get some of it back, so membership is around 900 € per year iirc
<Cynthia> THE €50 IS ONLY FOR PI ADDRESS RESOURCES
<Cynthia> NOT PA
<Swant> WHY WOULD YOU WANT IPV4 ANYWAYS JUST IGNORE THAT PART OF THE INTERNET
<hexa-> oh, is that so
<Cynthia> hexa-: I AM A NERD, TRUST ME
<Swant> "WE'VE GOT IPV4 AT HOME"
<hexa-> Cynthia: Oh, yeah, they say independent resources :)
<Swant> IPV4 AT HOME: 6TO4
<Swant> (I DO ASSUME I AM WILDLY INCORRECT HERE)
<Cynthia> SLIGHTLY I GUESS, THE MORE REALISTIC SETUP IS NAT64
<Swant> I DON'T KNOW NETWORKING MMMKAY
<Swant> RIGHT, I KNOW THAT WORD :D
<Cynthia> hexa-: CLEARLY I AM TRUST WORTHY AS I AM MENTIONED ON THIS PAGE, FLAWLESS LOGIC https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/ripe-ncc-executive-board-election-task-force
<Cynthia> ALSO SWANT I GUESS
<Cynthia> I AM EVEN NERDY ABOUT RIPE NCCS RULES FOR EXECUTIVE BOARD ELECTIONS, COMBINING BUREAUCRACY AND NETWORKING
<hexa-> Cynthia: have you been to DENOG in the last few years?
<Cynthia> NAH
<hexa-> For some reason I follow you on twitter already :p
<Swant> OOOOOOOOH RULE NERDING
<Cynthia> I HAVE ONLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR 2.5 YEARS AND GAINED A WEIRD AMOUNT OF TRUST IN THAT TIME
<Cynthia> I AM BY FAR THE YOUNGEST IN THAT TASK FORCE TOO
<Cynthia> AND BY FAR THE LEAST MALE
<Swant> IN COMMITTEE WORK IT'S LESS ABOUT AGE AND MORE ABOUT BEING ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE THERE WRONG
<Cynthia> Swant: YES BUT THE RULES PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE WRITTEN ENTIRELY BY WHITE CISGUYS MAINLY IN THEIR 50S OR MORE
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<Swant> (WELL THAT'S NOT REAAAALY WHAT IT'S ABOUT BUT SHHHH)
<Swant> YES
<gchristensen> all the caps is giving me a headache
<Cynthia> WELL I OBSERVED THAT BEING AN ISSUE AND I COULD AT LEAST POINT OUT SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH SOME IDEAS FROM A DIVERSITY PERSPECTIVE
<Swant> THAT IS GREAT AND I WISH THAT COULD HAPPEN IN MORE ORGANISATIONS
<Cynthia> hexa-: btw what's your twitter handle if I may ask?
<hexa-> Cynthia: @hexa_de
<TAZJIN> ADISBLADIS: HOW ARE YOU HUNGRY?!
<TAZJIN> WE ONLY HAVE CHICKEN RINGS
<ASHKITTEN> WHAT ARE CHICKEN RINGS
<TAZJIN> MAYBE YOU COULD GO TO A PLACE THAT SELLS HMMM
<Cynthia> Swant: it almost didn't, but luckily I had enough trust or whatever to be considered more important than someone who straight up said he wouldn't follow the CoC
<TAZJIN> ASHKITTEN: I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TYPE IN ARABIC SO I CAN'T ACCURATELY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION
<TAZJIN> THEY'RE JUST EGYPTIAN CHICKEN ... RINGS
<Cynthia> aka he got kicked out and I stayed as we no longer had personal attacks within the group
<ASHKITTEN> oh is fun time over?
<Swant> Cynthia, that... I think I saw that on twitter, it made me rub my temples in frustration for a while
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<Swant> Someone said it was meant to be an hour
<Swant> It seem to have gone longer than one hour now
<Swant> I am, however, very tempted to make gchristensen's cloak all caps :p
<ashkitten> how many freenode staff hang out in nixos-chat anyways
<gchristensen> ;_;
<Cynthia> ashkitten: the swedish ones
<hexa-> ashkitten: just the one ig
<Cynthia> I actually don't know how many swedish ones there are
<Cynthia> FireFly is also staff
<ashkitten> hexa-: isn't jess staff also?
<hexa-> ashkitten: yeah, who else?
<jess> maybe
<jess> swant is
<hexa-> jess: shush
<hexa-> oh ok
<ashkitten> oh i didn't know firefly was staff
<jess> swant is both staff and lovely
<gchristensen> how did we get so much staff? this is lovely
<jess> oh yeah firefly too
<jess> who else
<Swant> Cynthia I think there are three
<ashkitten> i know firefly from elsewhere i was surprised to find them in nixos-chat a while ago
<Cynthia> hm
<hexa-> freenode on nixos when?
<gchristensen> when do we get to see freenode migrating to nixos ♥‿♥
<gchristensen> sigh hexa- I woulda beaten you but I had to find my smiley on textfac.es
<hexa-> lma
<hexa-> o
<jess> oh it's just us 3
<hexa-> I already packaged solanum
<hexa-> and atheme is there as well
<Swant> We obviously need more Swedish staff to take over the lead from the bloody brittish
<jess> theres some nicks that i see so often near staff that my brain is like "yup them too" when thinking about whos staff
<jess> but theyre not
<Swant> jess I am staff yes, dunno about lovely
<gchristensen> I always wanted to be staff but I don't think I could deal with sitting in #freenode all the time
<ashkitten> is it bad there?
<jess> i wanted to be staff quite badly for a while and it was not what i expected but it's very worth it
<jess> ashkitten: it's a nexus for trolls on the network
<ashkitten> ah
<Cynthia> Swant: the swedes would just create a complicated organizational structure around every staff position
<Cynthia> is a bad idea
<Cynthia> or maybe that's more german actually
<hexa-> yup
<hexa-> was about to say just that
<Cynthia> well depends
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<hexa-> we are big on administration
<jess> hexa wheres my hackint oline
<Cynthia> if it's complicated due to barely being defined, then it's swedish
<hexa-> jess: :o
<jess> gchristensen: what makes you want to anyway
<jess> just curious
<gchristensen> jess: just always really liked freenode and participating in the communities, and wanted to give back
<jess> that's a nice reason
<Swant> Cynthia I don't think you understand how much I'd like if that happened
<gchristensen> how about you?
<jess> mine's a bit idealogical
<Cynthia> Swant: if it got defined?
<jess> i think IRC is one of the last hopes for a widespread open/free chat platform that's simple to write code for
<jess> i'm also a bit obsessed with abuse mitigation
<Swant> Cynthia nah just a ridiculous setup
<ashkitten> being staff sounds like work ngl, but i do feel kinda similarly to gchristensen
<jess> but abuse mitigation is difficult, nasty and thankless
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<Cynthia> abuse mitigation *internal screaming*
<Cynthia> Swant: yes :3
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<Swant> Cynthia but I mean the best quote I've found on twitter is "if you want to find inconsistencies in your processes, document your processes" sooooooooo
<ashkitten> Cynthia: wait do i know you?
<Cynthia> no clue
<ashkitten> i feel like i recognize your twitter handle
<Cynthia> hexa-: discovered that apparently they follow me
<jess> the thing about abuse mitigation is you can write some cool code for it
<Cynthia> ngl, one of my reasons for considering nixos for my home router is just to force me to document things
<ashkitten> right?
<Cynthia> as aside from the firewall, who knows what's going on in there atm
<Cynthia> some random bgp sessions, network namespaces, wireguard tunnels, and other cursed stuff
<Swant> Cynthia the solution, as always, is to hide the router where it can't be seen. And if the Internet is a ring weird you blame it on hustomtar
<ashkitten> i switched to nixos because i started feeling physically sick thinking about how many things i could never possibly remember changing in my arch system
<Cynthia> I like arch on my main desktop because it's semi experimental in a way, and in my experience things like custom secure boot keys are easier with arch than nixos
<Cynthia> but my home router should preferably be more stable
<Cynthia> my home router aka AS210089
<ashkitten> i thanked myself so much when i got a surface tablet and was able to just deploy my nixos system onto it with very minimal tweaking, most everything how i like it
<Swant> Some of us don't even have a static ip
<Cynthia> Swant: I don't really either
<ashkitten> ofc, turns out that the tablet gets ridiculously hot so i haven't actually used it much...
<Cynthia> I have Telenor, and
<ashkitten> don't get a surface they're really uncomfortable to hold
<Swant> Oh dear telenor
<Cynthia> and a cursed setup with network namespaces to run wireguard over Telenor without changing the main routing table
<aanderse> i have run into the ultimate nix packaging challenge
<aanderse> package A has package B as a dependency... package B modifies the source code of package A at runtime
<aanderse> i'm certain i can't win
<aanderse> -_-
<samueldr> my computer decided I had done enough web browsing for tonight
<Swant> Cynthia that sounds.... Horrifying
<samueldr> the browser just vanished
<Cynthia> also for the record I just stopped smooth jazz nyan cat after roughly 2h 10min
<Cynthia> Swant: yes :3
<samueldr> (rootfs and ~ fs hit 100% fullness)
<Cynthia> I should sleep now, I am sufficiently insane now
<Swant> But it's just 01:09 UTC
<Swant> Which is almost morning anyways
<Swant> And who needs to be /awake/ at 8:45 standups *grumbles*
<samueldr> Swant: those who _participate_ in 8:45 standups :)
<Swant> samueldr well not if everyone had the sanity to sleep through it
<ashkitten> aanderse: what package is this :o
<samueldr> oh, I definitely implied people don't want to or shouldn't want to participate
<samueldr> aanderse: at runtime? :x
<aanderse> ashkitten: the worst of all script kiddies possible... the true arch nemesis of everything `nix` stands for... `kodi` media center addons! 😱
<ashkitten> terrible
<aanderse> samueldr: yes, at runtime :\
<ashkitten> aanderse: can you make package B do its thing at build time and then just leave it out?
<ashkitten> kill it with fire
<aanderse> samueldr: then... we end up with annoyed wife and children
<samueldr> aanderse: and if you walk instead?
<aanderse> things only go downhill from there
<aanderse> ashkitten: unlikely
<aanderse> i'm going to spend another hour or so looking into this and then admit defeat
<aanderse> and go back to having to manually hand craft configure 3+ htpc boxes every 6 months :(
<ashkitten> aanderse: alternatively, use a fhs chroot in tmpfs
<aanderse> then i ran it...
<aanderse> and a `python` exception popped up
<aanderse> "read-only file system"
<aanderse> it all fell apart from there :(
<ashkitten> :)
<Cynthia> Swant: not me, but I didn't get much sleep last night so am sleepy
<Cynthia> waking up before 09:00 local time is way too early for me
* gchristensen grumbles in 5:45a wakeups
<Cynthia> gchristensen: solution, move to europe, and get a job with a manager in the US
<Cynthia> no early meetings
<gchristensen> lol
<gchristensen> I have an unscheduled but persistent 5:45a meeting with my infant :P
<Cynthia> I mean I am only joking about the moving part, this was actually a benefit I had at my last job, the rest of the team was in various US timezones
<Cynthia> oh ah
<Cynthia> sadly your infant is probably incapable of being taken care of remotely over google meet
<Cynthia> that wording came out weirdly but you get my point
<gchristensen> I think that is quite true
<aanderse> gchristensen: how is the little one? :)
<gchristensen> too big ;_
<gchristensen> ;
<Cynthia> as in toddler now? or what do you mean by too big?
<DigitalKiwi> their ego
<aanderse> he means he can't believe how fast babies grow :D
<aanderse> DigitalKiwi: "toddler" not "teenager"
<Cynthia> ah
<aanderse> ;-)
<DigitalKiwi> is there a difference
<Cynthia> I mean as an actual teenager for a few more months, I think the difference is pretty major
* slack1256 felt some crack on his back just now.
<DigitalKiwi> see that's exactly what a toddler would say
<gchristensen> presumably, hopefully, you're no longer helping with the teenager's bathroom use
<Cynthia> I mean I will acknowledge in many ways I am not the stereotypical teenager but still :p
<gchristensen> teenage years ... I remember the good days back when I could sleep without injuring myself
<Cynthia> I assume I look older as I rarely get IDed by bars the few times I have ordered alcohol
<DigitalKiwi> you know who else doesn't get asked for ID in bars? toddlers
<Cynthia> I mean yes, but they don't get alcohol served at all :p
<DigitalKiwi> they do if they're teething
<samueldr> ugh, my cat's the cause of half my waking-up feeling like crap
<slack1256> samueldr: allergic?
<samueldr> (because she sits in a place where I contort myself unconciously)
<samueldr> well, sits... sleeps, all of it
<samueldr> she's a bogarting all the leg room on my bed!
<Cynthia> ah I recognize that situation (well from the perspective of the cat)
<aanderse> lol @ DigitalKiwi
<slack1256> her bed you mean :-)
<samueldr> slack1256: I see you think like a cat
<ADISBLADIS> Swant: "meant to be" lol
<Cynthia> well so you see, meow
<Cynthia> ADISBLADIS: meow
<ADISBLADIS> It was a spontaneous event ^_^
<ADISBLADIS> It didn't even start in this channel
<ADISBLADIS> It just leaked to here because overlap
<Cynthia> ADISBLADIS: you are a bad influence :3
<ADISBLADIS> Or a good influence :3
<Cynthia> in the best way
<Cynthia> ADISBLADIS: cursed influence
<ADISBLADIS> <3
<DigitalKiwi> it carried over into #haskell too
<slack1256> It didn't took over though.
<Cynthia> ADISBLADIS: btw, you can attest to the fact that I am not a toddler, right?
<ADISBLADIS> Cynthia: I can indeed confirm you're not a toddler
<Cynthia> yay
<Cynthia> ADISBLADIS: am I a cat though?
<ADISBLADIS> Cynthia: You can be anything you want to be!
<ADISBLADIS> I think you're more catgirl than cat though
<Cynthia> good point
<Cynthia> DigitalKiwi: lol
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<ADISBLADIS> Goodnight ya'll and thanks for tonight
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<samueldr> I *love* being on the good side of a bisect, where a good couple of steps are no-ops nix builds
<gchristensen> so good
<samueldr> compared to being on the wrong side, with known-to-fail long rebuilds
<samueldr> especially since nix removed the ability to cache failures in ~nix 2 :(
<gchristensen> :(
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<samueldr> luckily, this time it looks like I'm not battling against multiple regressions added together! I'm in the ~1 step left range
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<siraben> the largest bisect I've ever ran on any repo spans =15K commits: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/107358
<94KAAA9XC> #107358 (by siraben, 10 weeks ago, closed): haskellPackages.apecs-gloss fails to build
<samueldr> oh, 94KAAA9XC might need to do a quick restart or a nick change
<aleph-> Okay the gliberlabs/ssh package is neattt
<aleph-> Got a little go prog that calls out to my ca, spawns a ssh host cert, configures my custom sshd to use it and then starts.
<aleph-> Now I wonder how I can skudge wireguard-go into this...
<aleph-> danderson: There any docs on actually using wireguard-go aside from reading source code?
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<DigitalKiwi> aleph-: what i tend to do is swing a hammer at everything i don't understand until it works
<aleph-> Lolol
<DigitalKiwi> https://dpaste.com/BXMQBSNHR i might actually just be a fuzzing bot
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<FireFly> meow
<FireFly> I missd the fnstaff gathering in here apparently
<Swant> FireFly well we're still here
<ashkitten> hi FireFly
<FireFly> g'morning
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<eyJhb> Morning :D
<ADISBLADIS> Morning :)
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<sphalerite> ADISBLADIS: you're loud this morning!
<ADISBLADIS> I'm going for first in, last out
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<srk> ,locate iw
<94KAAA9XC> Found in packages: iw
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<lovesegfault> mega ADISBLADIS
<lovesegfault> :D
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<talyz> caps instigator ADISBLADIS
<ADISBLADIS> talyz: C-x C-u
<srk> utf8_ssid=1 ooO
<srk> OO
<talyz> ADISBLADIS: (add-hook 'before-save-hook (lambda () (upcase-region 1 (+ (buffer-size) 1))))
<ADISBLADIS> talyz: That's horrible
<ADISBLADIS> I love it
<etu> :D
<talyz> :D
<srk> > PKGS
<94KAAA9XC> undefined variable 'PKGS' at (string):488:1
<ADISBLADIS> > PKGS = pkgs
<94KAAA9XC> PKGS defined
<srk> :))) TY
<ADISBLADIS> Oh wait
<ADISBLADIS> There is a bug in that
<ADISBLADIS> > PKGS = lib.listToAttrs (map (attr: { name = lib.toUpper attr; value = pkgs.${attr}; }) (lib.attrNames pkgs))
<94KAAA9XC> PKGS defined
<ADISBLADIS> Much better
<ADISBLADIS> > PKGS.HELLO
<94KAAA9XC> "<derivation /nix/store/6vc4ga99yh2cblq6kll13dlc15c19k92-hello-2.10.drv>"
<PROFPATSCH> WILL THIS EVER END
<PROFPATSCH> korry
<srk> > PKGS.HELLO.META
<94KAAA9XC> attribute 'META' missing, at (string):489:1
<eyJhb> JESUS
<srk> IS DEAD
<ADISBLADIS> srk: I can't bother with meta :/
<ADISBLADIS> Then you have to take into account all the stuff that doesn't eval..
<ADISBLADIS> PROFPATSCH: THINK OF THE CHILDREN
<srk> :D
<siraben> ADISBLADIS: what is with your caps name
<ADISBLADIS> siraben: I'm making a statement
<siraben> ADISBLADIS: about?
<siraben> haha nice
<siraben> > (x: x x)(x: x x)
<94KAAA9XC> error: stack overflow (possible infinite recursion)
* siraben hides
<eyJhb> Damn it. what timezone is cole-h in?
<ashkitten> hey why is the bot named 94KAAA9XC
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<philipp[m]1> There might be a new starship test flight tomorrow.
<ldlework> philipp[m]1: you ever play anymore go or hex
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<philipp[m]1> ldlework: Not feeling it righgt now. Doing a lot of thinking otherwise and don't want to do more thinking for relaxation.
<tazjin> philipp[m]1: the flight is today
<philipp[m]1> tazjin: Oooh! Du you have a source?
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<philipp[m]1> ,launch Texas Tank Watchers stream has started. Nobody cleared out yet, so no launch for hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOQkk3ojNfM
<94KAAA9XC> Texas Tank Watchers stream has started. Nobody cleared out yet, so no launch for hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOQkk3ojNfM: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
<sphalerite> samueldr: can very much recommend nix-bisect :)
<philipp[m]1> Flight window opening up in 2h.
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<infinisil> Ohh that's Starship SN10 :o
<philipp[m]1> My Signal vm started swapping because 800mb RAM are apparently not enough for a messenger.
<tazjin> philipp[m]1: the source is Elon Musk's Twitter :p
<ar> philipp[m]1: here it maps 8.3G VIRT and 0.3G RES, though i don't have too many chats there
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<hexa-> >> PipeWire, a new daemon created (in part) out of these attempts, will replace PulseAudio in the upcoming Fedora 34 release
<gchristensen> wow!
<adisbladis> Fedora doing the good work yet again!
<adisbladis> I really like how they push forward the entire ecosystem
<adisbladis> First dropping Docker :)
<adisbladis> Now dropping pulseaudio
<etu> Didn't they push systemd, pulseaudio, networkmanager, etc to begin with as well?
<etu> They are also pushing for btrfs
<sterni> isn't that exactly the point
<sterni> systemd is forward from sysvinit definitely
<etu> Yeah, it's great, I'm really happy with systemd compared to everything before it
<andi-> How is the Nix support on Fedora? :D
<srk> there were nix copr packages iirc
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<sterni> etu: oh, sorry misunderstood your point
<etu> I wish I trusted btrfs to rely on it, instead I use ZFS.
<etu> So I'm happy Fedora is pushing it :)
<sterni> I've been using btrfs for like 4 years now and never had any issues
<etu> I must admit there was a while since I lost data to btrfs, about as long as since I used it the last time :p
<etu> But data loss tend to... make people upset.
<sterni> although I'm interested to see what happens when one of the disks in the btrfs raid1 on my server fails
<sterni> which is gonna happen eventually because it's one of the hetzner cheap servers from old contracts programme
<sterni> probably should bother to read out the smart values and figure out when these disks were put in at some point
<supersandro2000> isn't btrfs totally failing if your disk is full?
<supersandro2000> and Docker at least gets their networking right
<supersandro2000> podman does not even have a guide to get it working
<gchristensen> btrfs had a rough start but my understanding is it is pretty good these days
<gchristensen> if fedora is going forward with it, I'd believe
<philipp[m]1> Wasn't it also one of these cases of distributions adopting stuff the devs weren't convinced was ready yet?
<DigitalKiwi> *a man in a red hat slips gchristensen another hundy*
<gchristensen> lol
<cransom> i hope it's changed since, but there were cases where you needed a 3rd disk still for your mirrored/raid1 setups as some kind of tie breaker or you could have data loss. it could be a small disk, just for some metadata, but still creeped me out
<DigitalKiwi> they gave us pulse systemd and btrfs, real winners
<etu> The first two was the same guy
<philipp[m]1> You mean, all stuff that is better than what came before?
<DigitalKiwi> etu: IKR! how'd we get fooled twice!?
<cransom> i ran btrfs on my boot ssds until zfs got trim support though. it didn't eat data that i knew of.
* DigitalKiwi /ignores philipp[m]1 ;)
<etu> DigitalKiwi: I find it kinda amazing that he has developed two such nice things :)
<etu> pulse also had a rough start, but that was mostly drivers
<DigitalKiwi> anyway why use btrfs when zfs is a thing ;D
<DigitalKiwi> philipp[m]1: you know what else was better than what came before it? the V2
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<DigitalKiwi> etu: same ;p
* philipp[m]1 is proud to have made DigitalKiwi godwin him in a single message.
<DigitalKiwi> :D
<gchristensen> wtf the AMI I just made is 7G, up from 2G
<DigitalKiwi> i don't even have 5G yet
<gchristensen> it seems like the disk image is being fat allocated instead of sparse
<siraben> Is anyone using tree-sitter with Emacs for highlighting Nix files?
<hexa-> c
* gchristensen eyes his thorough and robust prometheus data collection infrastructure with absolutely zero alerts setup
<LinuxHackerman> Those are the best ones. They stay out of your way, only speak when spoken to.
<gchristensen> haha
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<siraben> > lib.toUpper "hello everyone"
<{^_^}> "HELLO EVERYONE"
<siraben> lol there's a bug when I type `:doc lib.toUpper` in `nix repl` it shows me the doc for `builtins.replaceStrings`
<gchristensen> can you file a bug report?
<siraben> Yeah doing that right now
<siraben> I wonder if it's because it's not a builtin
<siraben> `:doc` is only supposed to be used on builtins IIRC
<{^_^}> nix#4596 (by siraben, 7 seconds ago, open): In nix repl, :doc shows the documentation for lib.toUpper
<sterni> siraben: :doc only works for builtins and toUpper is a primop application
<sterni> > :v lib.toUpper
<{^_^}> lib.toUpper = lib.toUpper is not defined
<sterni> > :v toUpper
<{^_^}> toUpper = toUpper is not defined
<sterni> :|
<siraben> sad
<sterni> siraben: the only way to fix this is making :doc not work with primop applications probably which means that :doc builtins.elem 12 doesn't work anymore though
<sterni> (which could be fine)
<infinisil> And :v only works for bot definitions :P
<sterni> nothing ever works out
<siraben> It should be like Haskell's haddock, IMO
<siraben> How is toUpper a primop application
<siraben> ?*
<sterni> toUpper = replaceChars lowerChars upperChars;
<sterni> primop application == curried builtin
<siraben> side note: does anyone have a better way to query nixpkgs than nix itself? heh
<siraben> it's actually decent to do it in Nix if you build enough primitives and use tryEval judiciously
<sterni> siraben: you can (ab)use nix-env -qaP which ofborg does afaik
<sterni> I recently made this questionable thing: https://paste.textboard.org/51118641
<sterni> nix-env -qaP -f thatnixfile.nix then shows you attrpaths and their meta.position
<sterni> i didn't check however if there's better way to make this display stuff than to abuse the name of the derivations
<siraben> so `packagesWith (name: pkg: let n = safeEval (pkg.buildInputs == []); in if builtins.hasAttr "buildInputs" pkg then if [] == n then false else n else false)` gets all the packages with an empty buildInputs
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<siraben> :doc no longer returns docs for partially applied primops
<siraben> sterni: lol so edolstra just closed the issue with a commit
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<abathur> nice
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<siraben> I doubt that `:doc builtins.elem 12` should return the doc because in GHCi applications do not
<siraben> so this change makes sense, IMO
<sterni> it can be convenient
<sterni> but since there is no way to distinguished between a real primop application and a renamed one
<sterni> is kinda misleading
<sterni> still :doc is pretty limited and feels like an afterthought
<sterni> the way it's implemented can't support lib documentation
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<veleiro> honestly why md, org-mode is more simple and more scalable to be for an entire productivity suite. think its been around longer too
<bbigras> a lot more people use md than org-mode. it's a bit like choosing mercurial instead of git. there's a lot of advantages to using the most popular one.
<bbigras> I use and like org-mode btw.
<veleiro> yep but git is better than mercurial
<veleiro> actually i only used mercurial for 2 years a decade ago before moving to git
<veleiro> i'm just saying, the world is a better place with org as markup
<bbigras> I thought a lot of people preferred mercurial. Yeah, I only used mercurial more than a decade ago too when git didn't support http remote and ssh was blocked at school.
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<philipp[m]1> ,launch recondenser activated. Sign for launch within the hour.
<{^_^}> recondenser activated. Sign for launch within the hour.: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
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<infinisil> Ayy
<gchristensen> yay
<kiwi_73> there is no communication on the main channel?
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<kiwi_73> He has been looking at a stationary rocket for 3 hours.
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<philipp[m]1> Could somebody ping me when there is tanking going on?
<risson> Sure
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<philipp[m]1> thx
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<pie_> spacenix when
<gchristensen> nix has been used in the production of satellites I know
<ehmry> antarctic nix is good start
<gchristensen> is that a thing?
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<ehmry> some was posting on the forums about it, some prefetches everything for releases and sends the drives down south
<cole-h> gchristensen: :o
<gchristensen> nice
<pie_> oh yeah i was in that thread :p
<pie_> i didnt actually look up where the place is, that explains some things
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<gchristensen> one day I will stop being annoyed that I haven't made a tags-based scheduler and actually make it
<cole-h> 👀?
<samueldr> yay?
<gchristensen> lol
<samueldr> ADD: annoyance driven development
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<risson> philipp[m]1: there is tank activity now
<risson> philipp[m]: ^
<philipp[m]1> Thanks!
<gchristensen> I wish I knew what was breaking github's "project" interface for me
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<infinisil> T-11 minutes!
<infinisil> ,launch
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<gchristensen> link?
<eyJhb> liiink
<eyJhb> :D
<eyJhb> cole-h: ! I heard you have done some Grafana + Log stuff maybe?
<infinisil> Spacex usually goes live 1 minute before launch
<cole-h> eyJhb: You heard wrong x) Although for a while I was the Loki gremlin for ofborg's logs.
<eyJhb> YES!
<eyJhb> Loki stuff
<eyJhb> But did you use that seperately, or with Grafana?
<cole-h> L\nL is the one who did some of our Grafana stuff. But it's been broken for a while and I don't know why x)
<cole-h> with grafana
<cole-h> (and by that I mean he did some of the actual graphs which were really pretty)
<eyJhb> So, I am guessing it is not a pleasant experience (Grafana + Loki)
<eyJhb> Really thinking of starting to look more into it. But would be nice to learn a little from someone with hands on experience
<cole-h> It's pleasant enough
<cole-h> It's just that when ofborg died recently, it took the Grafana configuration and I haven't had the brainpower to seriously look into fixing it (the graphing stuff; Loki still works fine since it's basically just a frontend for journald, the way we use it)
<cole-h> "recently" being last year, whenever that was
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<eyJhb> cole-h: Understandable. So you can somewhat say, give it a go I guess :D
<cole-h> Yeah, basically
<cole-h> The main reason I use loki for monitoring borg logs rather than watching journalctl via ssh is because ofborg has some fanciness that lets Loki add "tags" to certain lines
<cole-h> makes filtering easier
<colemickens> " And @grahamc has been hard at work making Hydra more efficient for us and the Nix community." what does that entail?
<gchristensen> wheres that?
<gchristensen> ah right on
<infinisil> T-4:15
<gchristensen> colemickens: https://github.com/NixOS/hydra/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed the PRs since January 18 there
<infinisil> ,launch T-2:00
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<gchristensen> the spacex shot is gorgeous
<infinisil> Yeah
<infinisil> Imminent! T-20 seconds
<gchristensen> that launchpad is fantastically small
<infinisil> ABORT
<gchristensen> wow did you see it come apart at the seems?
<risson> damn
<infinisil> It did??
<gchristensen> 1s
<risson> that .1 second on the countdown
<gchristensen> oh no it was just a reflection on some steam
<cransom> still pretty metal though.
<infinisil> Literally
<infinisil> Oh maybe another tyr
<infinisil> try
<infinisil> Today
<gchristensen> colemickens: if you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer :)
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<infinisil> Maybe another launch attempt in 2 hours!
<gchristensen> nice
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<samueldr> eyJhb: you wouldn't know where smartctl comes from otherwise
<samueldr> I'm not saying it's a good reason!
<cransom> years of re-inforced training from writing cron jobs where users never had a path set
<samueldr> anyway, why wouldn't it be in /usr/sbin?
<samueldr> (oh, I know, because it's in /usr/bin)
<eyJhb> cransom: That actually helps
<eyJhb> I am still mad however, but it helps!
<cransom> sure it's not in /usr/local/bin? or /opt/local/bin? but what about /sw/bin?
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<eyJhb> *now I just need to remember how the hell one patches in the path in nix....
<samueldr> cransom: everyone knows good distros ship a combined /usr/bin that is linked to /bin /sbin and /usr/sbin
<samueldr> doing otherwise would be madness
<samueldr> cats sleeping with dogs
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<eyJhb> ,tofu
<{^_^}> To get a sha256 hash of a new source, you can use the Trust On First Use model: use probably-wrong hash (for example: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000), then replace it with the correct hash Nix expected. For inserting 52 0's in vim: <esc>52i0<esc>
<cransom> i wonder if sumologic's client is still a hodge podge of a single script, figuring out if you are old or new linux, solaris, or another unix base don what paths existing.
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<samueldr> noted, resholve prepends /usr/bin to commands call sites
<abathur> ?
<samueldr> well, you said it does "this" :)
<samueldr> I was pulling your lef
<samueldr> leg*
<abathur> oh, fair
<abathur> resholve resholve's this was a bridge too far for me
<abathur> *resholves
<abathur> even
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<samueldr> any news about SN10?
<samueldr> (just looked at the stream) nothing yet, but things are happening for a bit later
<joepie91> in case anyone wants a hot take tonight: https://twitter.com/joepie91/status/1367236345714929664
<samueldr> joepie91: hot?
<joepie91> samueldr: you may not be aware that it exists, but believe me, there is a humble bundle fanboy contingent :P
<samueldr> oh, I'm sure it exists, but I don't think it's because of DRM-free games on Linux
<samueldr> it's because of cheap bundles of games
<samueldr> so your take is tepid at best :)
<joepie91> samueldr: so that's the thing, that's not really what it once was
<samueldr> yeah
<joepie91> and they are still riding on the goodwill from back then
<samueldr> I know that it started with the _humble indie_ bundle
<__monty__> They don't do DRM-free anymore?
<joepie91> have not done so for years
<joepie91> it's nearly all steam keys now
<samueldr> it's not a component of their things anymore
<__monty__> So GOG's the only source now?
<joepie91> yep
<samueldr> itch.io
<joepie91> well and itch.io
<joepie91> but that's a very different selection of games
<samueldr> the thing is... nothing should stop big studios from publishing there! (except DRM)
<samueldr> devolver has some games there
<__monty__> Ah, is itch.io just heaps and heaps of indie games, most of which aren't all that great?
<samueldr> it's a platform where anyone can publish anything game-related
<samueldr> so yeah
<joepie91> I don't think it offers stuff like cloud saves and whatnot though?
<samueldr> are those features for _studios/publishers_?
<samueldr> I would assume it's more users that like those
<samueldr> (and I don't know)
<joepie91> samueldr: they are, indirectly, due to Steam's dirty tricks
<samueldr> a fun thing is a bunch of itch.io and itch.io techs are open source
<joepie91> the trick that Steam pulls is that you don't buy a mod system, and then buy a distribution system, and then buy cloud saves, etc.
<joepie91> you buy "Steam publishing"
<joepie91> and then you get all of the infrastructure things alongside it
<joepie91> and since you, as the developer, have no choice but to publish on Steam for the most part, you will get a distribution agreement with them
<joepie91> and hey suddenly you get free infastructure included with it!
<joepie91> might as well use it
<joepie91> and now your game is tied to Steam
<joepie91> and so basically any competing games platform needs to offer close to a 1:1 match of all infrastructural services, a drop-in replacement, to truly compete with Steam
<samueldr> I was thinking more along the lines that users that care about DRM-free might care about controlling their saves, compared to "cloud saves"
<joepie91> yes but my point is that the developer still needs to have equivalent functionality on all distribution platforms, lest they be accused of distributing "inferior copies" in some places
<joepie91> so in practice you end up in a situation where a game either has no fancy features at all for anybody, or it has them on Steam
<joepie91> and users do care about those features, in many demographics
<joepie91> result: alternative platforms like itch.io look super unappealing to developers
<joepie91> (incidentally Valve should 100% be sued under antitrust regulation for this shit)
<joepie91> also this means that if you want to sabotage Valve's market dominance, a good place to start is to build a drop-in steamworks clone :P
<__monty__> Might that not happen? Afaik Apple's trying to drag Valve into the Unreal lawsuit?
<__monty__> (Not just Valve but still.)
<joepie91> __monty__: afaik that suit is not about steamworks but about exclusives?
<joepie91> or am I misremembering
<joepie91> oh wait it was the app store % thing right
<samueldr> yeah
<__monty__> I typed before reading about steamworks. Don't even know what that is.
<samueldr> IIRC apple wants financials from valve to compare and see if competition actually helps or not
<joepie91> __monty__: steamworks is the formal name for Valve's infrastructural crap, the mod workshop, multiplayer infra, and so on and so forth
<samueldr> well, wants to build stats that shows competition won't help anyone
<joepie91> basically the thing you plop into your game
<drakonis> __monty__: epic lawsuit that is
<__monty__> Lol, "Extra, extra! Capitalist behemoth sets out to show competition doesn't work!"
<drakonis> unreal isnt part of the problem
<__monty__> drakonis: Unreal makes it more fun. Think imaginary numbers ; )
<drakonis> its strictly epic with fornite
<__monty__> You're right, ofc.
<drakonis> fortnite.....
<gchristensen> ,launch 14minish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jWbqhP5eJI
<{^_^}> 14minish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jWbqhP5eJI: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
<drakonis> what a terrible creation.
* infinisil is watching
<infinisil> But I'm also *very* hungry
<ar> so this is a thing. i have no idea what to use it for, but it's fun to play with: https://arachnist.is-a.cat/c/25fa3e0051f2229c833a0fb9837085c56fc3f901.mp4
<cransom> bolt together 10 more, have a posable snake.
<infinisil> I'm gonna make some food, really fast!
<gchristensen> risky timing infinisil
<gchristensen> I need to learn how to make good ramen
<__monty__> Tri-venting has started.
<__monty__> So not just risky but might actually miss it.
<__monty__> See, infinisil, this is why you should give #nixos-chat twitch-plays-pokemon style access to an unmutable bell in your home.
<infinisil> Lol yes
<samueldr> scheduled for 18:15
<risson> i was about to post the link
<infinisil> I watched the stream on my phone while making the food ;)
<samueldr> you snooze you looze
<risson> the stream started
<infinisil> T-5:00!
<samueldr> aw, bad exposure
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<infinisil> T-1:00!
<gchristensen> ,launch 30s
<{^_^}> 30s: Ping for space stuff (edit this command to add yourself, see ",help"): infinisil Taneb ldlework etu philipp[m] eyJhb gchristensen __red__ red red[evilred] risson
<infinisil> HYPE
<infinisil> Liftoff!
<risson> it seems so slow
<infinisil> No going back now, either it's gonna land, or not!
<infinisil> Flop!
<infinisil> Landing coming up..
<eta> flip incoming
<eta> donk
<infinisil> AAAAAAAY
<infinisil> SUCCESS
<hexa-> did I just start watching as it landed? lmao
<eta> yes
<risson> youhouuu
<gchristensen> the whole thing is so surreal
<hexa-> its like I didn't miss anything at all
<infinisil> A little fire is okay!
<risson> the little fire is the rocket being happy to have landed
<gchristensen> and the calvin and hobbes design makes it even more surreal
<colemickens> straight up looked like CGI
<eta> I liked the automation moving the engine around
<eta> "uhhhhh point here! no, here! *wobbling intensifies""
<samueldr> it looked like it was from out of this world
<gchristensen> oh wow
<gchristensen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jWbqhP5eJI has footage of it blowing up
<__monty__> It shot back up so high o.o
<gchristensen> I sorta think they probably triggeredit
<risson> safer once exploded right
<gchristensen> ain't nobody wants to get close to a bomb threatening to fal over
<__monty__> Can't they vent?
<gchristensen> besides, those systems need testing too :0
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<samueldr> >> they are probably not going to refly it anyway
<gchristensen> agreed
<samueldr> he said that after it blew up
<bennofs> according to my local rocket expert, the c4 for blowing it up is at another position
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<gchristensen> hm
<samueldr> at this point I guess we _have_ to wait on an official word
<joepie91> time to sleep
<joepie91> today was a good day
<joepie91> we got a landing and an explosion
<joepie91> best of both worlds?
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<samueldr> TIL that, apparently, NeXT was EOL-ing their OS as Apple bought NeXT for their OS