<lovesegfault>
Hm, my wireless headphones are finally starting to die
<lovesegfault>
after 4 years
<lovesegfault>
now I can't decide whether to invest in a nice desk hifi or a new pair of ANC wireless
<lovesegfault>
in a normal world I do need ANC b/c of flights, subway, office, etc
<lovesegfault>
should I plan for a normal world?
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<infinisil>
>> Trump reportedly suggested of fortifying the wall with a water-filled trench inhabited by snakes or alligators, and electric fencing topped with spikes that can pierce human flesh.
<infinisil>
lmao
<infinisil>
I know we're over this person, but this is hilarious
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<bbigras>
haha
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<ashkitten>
how does he think the snakes or alligators are going to get fed???
<bbigras>
with the victims maybe
<bbigras>
but good point
<samueldr>
natures... finds a way
<aleph->
So we feed them Jeff Goldblums
<aleph->
Got it
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<hexa->
i'm well aware the issue has been known for a while now, but there's lots of feedback here
<hexa->
(swapping on m1)
<samueldr>
nice how this basically means the whole motherboard has to be switched when it fails
<hexa->
my desktop ssd with nixos after ~2.5y
<hexa->
Data Units Read: 204,700,066 [104 TB]
<hexa->
Data Units Written: 124,403,415 [63.6 TB]
<hexa->
that will be >10y before I reach the max tbw (300TB)
<aleph->
heh gotta love SSD's
<jtojnar>
ugh, why are the smart attributes not standardized
<hexa->
they look better on nvme disks
<lovesegfault>
Mine seems to look quite good?
<lovesegfault>
Percentage Used: 2%
<lovesegfault>
Data Units Read: 88,762,742 [45.4 TB]
<lovesegfault>
Data Units Written: 54,503,300 [27.9 TB]
<lovesegfault>
this is ~2yo I think
<supersandro2000>
How do I get this data?
<lovesegfault>
smartctl -a /dev/yourDrive
<supersandro2000>
I don't have data units there
<lovesegfault>
huh
<supersandro2000>
needed to calc that by hand
<supersandro2000>
feel like living in a cave
<supersandro2000>
104 TB written in 2y power on
<lovesegfault>
,locate secret-tool
<{^_^}>
Found in packages: gnome3.libsecret
<samueldr>
uh, not so secret is it?
<lovesegfault>
:D
<aleph->
haha
<elvishjerricco>
hexa-: There was a reddit thread about that macbook ssd thing, and someone linked a podcast where a guy with a 2017 intel macbook reported the same kind of ratio of writes to power on hours.
<elvishjerricco>
So it seems like an issue that's probably been around for a long time.
<elvishjerricco>
Apple's always been very confident with their ssds though; to the point that they don't checksum user data in APFS (but they do checksum metadata, curiously).
<elvishjerricco>
And to their credit, I've never heard that Apple's SSDs fail unusually often.
<aleph->
Anyone have opinions on verizon fios?
<ashkitten>
it's fine
<aleph->
They do any weird price switching after your first year?
<lovesegfault>
Not available where I am, apparently
<lovesegfault>
I use AT&T and they suck ass
<lovesegfault>
I hate them
<ashkitten>
i had fios but i wasn't the owner of the account so couldn't say
<aleph->
Nod nod.
<aleph->
Yeah thinking of switching to them from optimum
<aleph->
$67/m for 200Mb down currently. Where as I can pay $80/m @ verizon for gigabit.
<lovesegfault>
I have gigabit and was disappointed
<ashkitten>
for the first year of me living here our only options were comcast and frontier, and frontier is even worse
<aleph->
lovesegfault: How so?
<ashkitten>
but now we've got gigabit and i love it
<lovesegfault>
aleph-: My home stuff is mostly on wifi, so the speed increase from 500Mb wasn't all that noticeable
<aleph->
Ah got it.
<aleph->
Yeah this would be killer for my torrent box and NAS.
<lovesegfault>
only now that I started wiring stuff and got a proper switch etc it's starting to make any difference at all
<ashkitten>
oh well if you already have symmetric it doesn't make that much of a difference
<ashkitten>
for me i went from 300/15 to 1000/1000
<ashkitten>
huuuge difference
<aleph->
Heck just doing some the initial backup of my NAS looks to be 60 days continuous currently. With gigabit it'd be roughly 15~ hours
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<siraben>
How do I run a linux binary in Docker on macOS?
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<AMG>
hmm is there a ftp command way to see if a folder is empty?
<lunc>
You can ls in ftp
<lunc>
yeah but that doesnt show if the folder is empty? or does it?
<lunc>
hmm
<AMG>
ah don't believe that it does
<AMG>
drwxr-xr-x 2 14826 501 4096 Feb 22 1999 ocean
<AMG>
drwxr-xr-x 8 5460 501 4096 Jun 8 2016 oceanowl
<AMG>
the last one contains folders, the first one doesnt
<AMG>
can the second parm be number of dirs? hmm
<lunc>
hmm not really sure. Haven't used ftp in ages, kinda forgot
<AMG>
we agree a ftp with anonymous access is fair game right?
<AMG>
i can snoop around here, if i dont hammer the ftp i should be good
<lunc>
If it is public it is public ;)
<AMG>
.. besides the 46 gb D&D books im already mooching
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<etu>
I've just started pulseeffects while in a video call for the first time because there was some clicking noise from something, now I can't do videocalls without pulseeffects.
<__monty__>
Please stop tempting us. This is a rabbit hole I'd prefer not to fall down...
<etu>
I didn't even had to tweak anything in it to make it worth it.
<cole-h>
amg: That "second param being number of dirs" sounds like it could be right
<cole-h>
I'd guess the 2 in the first one comes from `.` and `..`
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<ehmry>
are there any languages that are slower to compile than rust?
<eyJhb>
Ehmm.... Microsoft Teams really does suck. I cannot sign out from my coorporate e-mail, and sign in with my student one...
<eyJhb>
And deleting ~/.config/teams does not work
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<eyJhb>
WELL! So, restarting works, as it nuked all files. Thank god for rollback on boot <3
<etu>
:D
<eyJhb>
(and also, fuck you Microsoft Teams for having some magic file some place on my system :( )
<gchristensen>
tilpner: off to #Zfsonlinux you go? maybe they can elicit more info
<tilpner>
I don't have time to debug this, I have a deadline tomorrow and work to do
<tilpner>
Just backing up unsynced progress and rebooting to see the damage
<aleph->
tilpner: Ouchhh
<tilpner>
(I do have time to look into it, but not to keep the system running indefinitely, waiting for people to guide me towards more interesting debug details)
<gchristensen>
it is *probably* fine ...
<tilpner>
Well, the syncoid job has been failing all day
<tilpner>
Which should have been alarming, but it has done that in the past and recovered from it. And no time, of course
<{^_^}>
openzfs/zfs#11443 (by shuther, 5 weeks ago, open): silent corruption for thousands files gives input/output error but cannot be detected with scrub - at least for openzfs 2.0.0
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<srk>
'Feb 10 12:21:15 ryz kernel: Hardware name: To Be Filled By O.E.M. To Be Filled By O.E.M./B450 Gaming-ITX/a>'
<srk>
:D
* gchristensen
is concerned by the fact that tilpner hasn't joined again
<infinisil>
> timeTo mars
<{^_^}>
"2 days, 3 hours, 5 seconds"
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<tilpner>
gchristensen: It seems you were right
<gchristensen>
oh?
<tilpner>
stage1 hung for a minute while mounting, the scrub restarted from the beginning but kept the old start timestamp
<gchristensen>
hm
<tilpner>
Just scrubbed 1.4T in 28min, nothing repaired, damage log didn't change
<gchristensen>
phew
<gchristensen>
I found something for you to know about while you were gone. it brings me no pleasure to point it out
<{^_^}>
openzfs/zfs#11443 (by shuther, 5 weeks ago, open): silent corruption for thousands files gives input/output error but cannot be detected with scrub - at least for openzfs 2.0.0
<tilpner>
Permanent error in fpool/main/var/lib@autosnap_2021-02-15_17:30:02_frequently:<0x0>
<tilpner>
This SSD has no business dying on me, 42 power cycles (18 unsafe), 100% spares available, 0 smart "Media and Data Integrity Errors"
<tilpner>
But if it's a bug in zfs... my shiny ssd doesn't help at all
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<__monty__>
This is why I'm rooting for Btrfs.
<__monty__>
Monoculture's never good.
<gchristensen>
I don't know how I feel about my motherboard's BMC runnig PAM
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* tilpner
is painfully reminded of the weakpoint in his backup strategy: zfs
<tilpner>
Back to 0.8 after this scrub finishes
<gchristensen>
do you have any reason to think 0.8 is going to not have this problem?
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<gchristensen>
it isn't like 2.0.0 was a big release, it is 2.0.0 due to the organizational change of becoming openzfs's primary zfs
<tilpner>
Not really, but I have 2 data points with 2.0 panicking, and none with 0.8, and that's good enough for right now
<tilpner>
Also 5.10 -> 5.9
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<gchristensen>
I guess I need a better computer: Feb 16 14:33:30 Petunia gnome-shell[5164]: libinput error: event257 - Kinesis Advantage2 Keyboard: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 21ms, your system is too slow
<samueldr>
gchristensen: nah, I think libinput is just solidly impatient
<samueldr>
for gnome... I'm using libinput directly for the mobile nixos early GUI things
<samueldr>
and threading wouldn't gain any real advantage AFAICT
<samueldr>
so I'm left with loads of spam on stdout about that :)
<gchristensen>
sssh I'm working on justification here
<samueldr>
your computer is plenty fine
<gchristensen>
FINE.
<cole-h>
lovesegfault: *requests my re-review* *merges before I can re-review* lol
<lovesegfault>
cole-h: sorry, I always forget how to dismiss a stale review
<lovesegfault>
:P
<cole-h>
hehe :D
<elvishjerricco>
gchristensen, tilpner: I thought that "silent corruption" issue was specific to TrueNAS because they merged some patches that openzfs hadn't officially released
<gchristensen>
ah
<elvishjerricco>
Oh but that comment you linked does specify NixOS on Linux 5.4
<gchristensen>
oh wow
<elvishjerricco>
So maybe that was an old suspicion that's been debunked or something
<tilpner>
If you read on further, it kept on happening for rbrewer123 with 2.0 and NixOS
<tilpner>
Though I think it's "only" loud corruption, not silent, for rbrewer
<tilpner>
(and me)
<tilpner>
(Not that I will ever know for certain if all my files survived)
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<infinisil>
I wonder, for the mars landing stream, what are we actually going to see?
<infinisil>
I'm kind of doubting there will be a video feed
<infinisil>
Soo, just audio and some graphs? Or something else?
<infinisil>
> timeTo mars
<{^_^}>
"1 day, 22 hours, 8 minutes, 33 seconds"
<bbigras>
infinisil: did you check the last one? I mean the last crazy one with the sky crane
<bbigras>
I did.
<infinisil>
The last what?
<bbigras>
landing
<bbigras>
with the crazy sky crane
<bbigras>
Curiosity
<samueldr>
I would guess 3D simulations coming from the data they get
<infinisil>
I haven't
<bbigras>
I watched Curiosity's landing at like 1 am. it's like people staring at screen and saying everything is ok or not.
<infinisil>
bbigras: What was that, also a 3D animation?
<infinisil>
Ah
<bbigras>
there's was a 3d simulation on the computer we could follow in real time but there was also the real time feed in the control room
<infinisil>
samueldr: Doing a 3D simulation live seems pretty hard
<bbigras>
the big thing was seeing the first pictures for the rover
<samueldr>
infinisil: not simulation, but you get data, plug them into unity
<infinisil>
bbigras: And how long did that take?
<bbigras>
but I think there was also signal for "it didn't crash"
<samueldr>
or something cheap like that
<bbigras>
hmm. there's the 7 mintutes or whatever delay but I think it took a while. like 30 mins or more to get the first picture. not sure
<samueldr>
ignore the delay
<bbigras>
maybe you can still watch the feed
<samueldr>
they can't get the data any faster than that
<samueldr>
so for all intents and purposes, "accounting" for the delay is not useful
<bbigras>
I mean I'm guessing the first picture delay is not just for the radio delay.
<samueldr>
ah
<samueldr>
yeah, ignore only the 7 minute delay for their telemetry
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<bbigras>
> The first images taken by NASA's Curiosity rover moments after landing on Mars.
<{^_^}>
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