gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<cole-h> colemickens: Do you manually trigger runs, or do you have a cronjob (or something) set up?
<cole-h> (e.g. for flake-firefox-nightly)
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<cole-h> colemickens++ Cheers.
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<cole-h> gchristensen++ Very nice to see
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<abathur> <3 gchristensen
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<andi-> anyone else watching the debate?
<gchristensen> regrettably
<andi-> I didn't expect much from this tbh...
<gchristensen> weird... kswapd is taking 99% cpu but I don't have swap
<andi-> that is likely purging and reloading pages from disk? Did you consume all your RAM?
<gchristensen> not that I know of
<gchristensen> where on my disk is it putting pages?
<andi-> nowhere
<gchristensen> hah
<andi-> from what I've seen (very unscientific) it is removing pages of libraries/applications in order to make space for others when you are running out of RAM (without swap).
<gchristensen> ah
<andi-> Always nice to see that my home automation is working. Staying up late to listen to the debate and that single piece of automation is turning my amp off :D
<hexa-> when kswapd beats the debate
<gchristensen> $750 filing fee lmao
<bqv> cole-h: there already is one, fwiw
<bqv> neovim nightly
<bqv> i saw it in passing
<cole-h> Not flakes enabled, I thought
<bqv> oh, maybe not
<andi-> Whats the gain of using neovim nightly? Honest question. Thought about it as well but then I failed to see the gain.
<bqv> i thought i'd seen it with the word flake but i'll defer to you
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<cole-h> andi-: Nightly has built-in LSP support
<cole-h> Fledgling, admittedly, but better than 0
<andi-> I thought 0.4 already had that?
<cole-h> I don't think so
<andi-> I think it has some but it isn't as complete yet as some of the plugins
<andi-> but they might have postponed the integration
<andi-> last time I checked was in February or so
<andi-> Some day I'll sit down and cleanup my mess of VIM configuration....
<gchristensen> meh
<gchristensen> who cares
<samueldr> is it managed with nix?
<andi-> of course it is..
<samueldr> then who cares :)
<andi-> biggest closure on the system...
<samueldr> it took me quite a while until I got mine in nix
<andi-> I failed to get it under any kind of proper version control before using Nix... All those VIM plugin managers and dotfile tools were not working out for me.
<gchristensen> (it is a good thing sway's developers don't want sway to crash...)
<samueldr> until it does?
<samueldr> or should have?
<gchristensen> it crashes all the time but they don't want it to, so it is fine
<samueldr> right, I'd hoped it wasn't "crashes all the time" territory
<andi-> what do you do to crash it?
<gchristensen> just about anything :P
<andi-> Must be that weird package manager you are using. This nix thingy.. have you tried alpine yet?
<gchristensen> :D
<andi-> Also NixOS is a cult ;)
<abathur> in Nix/OS's defense, I feel like it has a whole genre of it-is-great-but-annoying and it-is-annoying-but-great posts that most cults can't muster
<andi-> more of this cursed stuff! Back in the old days we just had our user ;)
<gchristensen> :D
<andi-> abathur: that was a quote of someone that also doesn't like functional programming an might or might not be involved in the development of sway ;)
<gchristensen> so was mine :)
<abathur> andi-: of course!
<andi-> Is there a facepalm intensifies emoji yet?
<gchristensen> one sec
<andi-> very nice
<andi-> now I just need animated emojis in my terminal and that accepted in to the next unicode standard.
<gchristensen> hahaha
<gchristensen> the standard "intensified" modifier
<andi-> yes
<andi-> would be a nice achievement
<gchristensen> okay goodnight I regret staying up
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<eyJhb> gchristensen: noooo, the night is your friend
<eyJhb> ,ping
<{^_^}> pong
<etu> ,botsnack
<{^_^}> Oh thanks, have a cookie yourself
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<etu> Oh, latest nixos-unstable has ZFS working on 5.9 :)
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<gchristensen> `perf trace` seems a bit more ... unfinished than I expected
<andi-> I am sure they accept contributions ;) but what are you missing?
<gchristensen> it seems to not be able to print filenames in syscalls, for example
<andi-> gchristensen: I am seeing things like this: 5655.087 ( 0.019 ms): ate/5022 read(fd: 7</dev/ptmx>, buf: 0x105d22c, count: 6692)
<gchristensen> interesting
<gchristensen> I get 5016.183 ( 0.038 ms): i3status/10491 stat(filename: 0x2ce15e72, statbuf: 0x7fff2fe05b80) = 0
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<gchristensen> and read(fd: 11, buf: 0x226f860, count: 3072)
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<colemickens> ... I can see Discord through Netflix in Firefox. As if Firefox was 98% opaque or something. This is bizarro
<colemickens> s/Netflix/Prime Video/g but still
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<pinpox> Is there a documentaion on the bot here and in #nixos? I'm interested in that karma thing I keep seeing
<pinpox> tilpner++
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<pinpox> :)
<pinpox> thanks
<aanderse> stigo++
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<pinpox> pinpox++
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<pinpox> :(
<pinpox> pinpox--
<pinpox> pinpox++
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<aanderse> wrong channel :)
<pinpox> Just wanted to know what happens when you self-karma
<pinpox> Guess, infinisil thought of that too.
<etu> pinpox++
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<etu> You shouldn't have to be below 0 :)
<pinpox> thank you etu
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<ornxka> the nixpkgs.chromium package was not updated in time for the latest chrome 0day and now when i turn my computer on it looks like this https://i.imgur.com/OVdv4Uf.jpeg what do
<viric> is that a joke?
<ornxka> yes
<viric> ok
<gchristensen> cool
<gchristensen> I chuckled at cult o'frazer is
<gchristensen> s/ is//
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<cole-h> Ever since upgrading my computer, 1) my keyboard doesn't randomly disconnect; and 2) my system never hangs after waking from sleep :D
<lassulus> sounds good
<lassulus> I have firefox weirdly crashing for me since yesterday with: (firefox:32749): Gdk-ERROR **: 22:10:28.131: The program 'firefox' received an X Window System error.
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<hexa-> lassulus: on wayland?
<hexa-> LTO was disabled yesterday to fix issues with firefox on wayland
<lassulus> no on X11
<lassulus> xmonad
<lassulus> but on 20.03
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<samueldr> ugh, it's a bit painful when freenode reconnects you
<samueldr> its nickserv identification at server connect is not instant, so your channel rejoins can happen when you're not +R'd yet
<gchristensen> how about using SASL?
<samueldr> exactly
<gchristensen> :x
<samueldr> that's what I'm using
<gchristensen> ...
<samueldr> which means you might be trying to join channels before being identified
<samueldr> which isn't all that bad... you have a list of channels to join later
<FireFly> huh... that's weird, I believe with SASL the identify should happen before joins are issued
<samueldr> you also are allowed to join channels that bans nick changes for unregistered users!
<samueldr> FireFly: I believed so too
<samueldr> but clearly that doesn't work
<samueldr> and today I have tangible proof
<samueldr> oh right
<samueldr> RIGHT
<samueldr> I know what failed
<samueldr> I was logged into nickserv properly
<samueldr> but using a wrong nick
<samueldr> because "I was still there" in that netsplit
<samueldr> so, that's part of the same problem, identity
<samueldr> but yeah
<samueldr> I couldn't even change my nickname!
<joepie91> IRC \o/
<samueldr> until I left 5 more channels
<FireFly> weird, I don't think the nick should matter but I might be wrong :\
<joepie91> samueldr: tip, on some networks (incl. Freenode) you can identify to a given username even if you don't have its nick
<samueldr> I know
<joepie91> /msg nickserv identify yourusername yourpassword
<joepie91> ah ok :)
<samueldr> but I couldn't find my password
<cole-h> samueldr: You tried using an SSL cert?
<cole-h> That's what I do.
<FireFly> do you use SASL PLAIN or EXTERNAL?
<samueldr> probably the same scheme in the end
<drakonis> hmm, sasl was brought up already
<FireFly> (i.e. nick+pass or a cert)
<drakonis> aight
<cole-h> I use SASL EXTERNAL
<cole-h> Which works real well
<cole-h> I used to have the same problem
<samueldr> as long as it won't force the nickname for the connection
<samueldr> nah, I was wrong, as I said
<samueldr> it's not that there was a delay
<samueldr> it's that I wasn't +r'd because I was using a nick that wasn't part of the group
<cole-h> Oh, I see.
* samueldr adds samueldr_ to the group
<samueldr> I might missing from channels, due to additional possible issues with joining too many channels :/ if you see me not joined to a channel I should be, tell me
<cole-h> I see you in all the (important) ones I'm in
<samueldr> I really regret not pushing, about 10 years ago, to build a "presence-first" IRC server, which acted like the IRC server was a BNC for anyone
<__monty__> But that implies logging everything.
<sphalerite> uuuh so like matrix? :D
<__monty__> Tbf Matrix is intended to be much broader than just text chat.
<samueldr> I don't see how that implies *logging* everything
<samueldr> but it could be done yes
<samueldr> if you want to also have the backlog
<__monty__> samueldr: Then what part is the BNC for everyone?
<samueldr> the server
<samueldr> you log in into your account to access the server, so you could be logged-in from two irc clients at the same time, or none
<samueldr> into the same username
<__monty__> Oh, I'm not sure that's a common desired feature though?
<__monty__> Afaict most people run a BNC for the backlog.
<samueldr> I would say half and half
<samueldr> a venn diagram with a huge common section
<__monty__> Automatically ghosting a nick upon authentication of said nick would be enough, right?
<samueldr> but yes, logging too
<samueldr> nope
<samueldr> not enough since you can't be connected on multiple devices *at the same time*
<samueldr> connected on your phone and computer at the same time
<samueldr> or even through a webchat for quick peek during courses on a school-owned computer
<samueldr> anyway, I don't have to convince you
<samueldr> I know it would have been a game changer
<samueldr> couple that with a good webchat interface
<cole-h> lol
<samueldr> which was planned at the time!
<samueldr> and *maybe* slack and discord wouldn't be the same
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<__monty__> Say it's not so. https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/
<samueldr> __monty__: :/
<samueldr> AFAIUI reboot-force doesn't help when booting or rebooting is broken enough that systemd waits on something
<samueldr> I guess -immediate would?
<samueldr> __monty__: ^ the notice itself
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<samueldr> obviously it's the RIAA
<samueldr> >> the source code expressly suggests its use to copy and/or distribute the following copyrighted works owned by our member companies:
<samueldr> eek
<samueldr> I wonder what _actually_ is in the source
<FireFly> uh yikes
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<samueldr> can the RIAA file DMCA notices on behalf of youtube even??
<__monty__> Isn't it on behalf of their labels?
<samueldr> it seems they're using the anticircumvention violation here
<samueldr> >> Anticircumvention Violation. We also note that the provision or trafficking of the source code violates 17 USC §§1201(a)(2) and 1201(b)(1). The source code is a technology primarily designed or produced for the purpose of, and marketed for, circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to copyrighted sound recordings on YouTube
<samueldr> >> In light of the above noted copyright infringements and anticircumvention violations
<samueldr> I don't think there is actual copyright infringement (while IANAL)
<samueldr> so that's weird
<samueldr> >> Under penalty of perjury, we submit
<samueldr> as if that meant anything here :)
<MichaelRaskin> Right, I think the only thing that is actually under penalty of perjury is holding copyright approximately to anything at all
<__monty__> Maybe no more youtube-dl would be good for me. So much less time wasted watching youtube.
<MichaelRaskin> We need fetchmega
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<gchristensen> looks like like I'mma be writing some Go for the first time in nearly an eternity ...
<samueldr> maybe you can write some Rust and say "ah, it's a new fork of Go"
<gchristensen> haha
<sphalerite> or write a rust-to-go transpiler?
<gchristensen> the trouble is the really nice cloudy Go libraries
<samueldr> make Go bindings for Rust?
<gchristensen> hah
<samueldr> I know, the Go ABI is like... nothing else
<gchristensen> I see we're in a "bake an apple pie from scratch" mood
<samueldr> I call that "everyday"
<gchristensen> :D
<gchristensen> my "ehh.." towards Go and my "I will regret this dearly" w.r.t. Bash has me slightly paralyzed and I might just go play with Tycho instead :P
<sphalerite> gchristensen: sounds like the option that has the most value in the future as well :)
<gchristensen> :D
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<colemickens> I think I would make a throwaway account for contributing to things like youtube-dl
* colemickens wonders what Tycho is?
<infinisil> gchristensen: Yo, can you take a look at some point and ideally merge? https://github.com/grahamc/network/pull/6
<{^_^}> grahamc/network#6 (by Infinisil, 3 days ago, open): Point nix-channel-monitor to nixpkgs instead of nixpkgs-channels
* colemickens feels like he made the classic nerd mistake
<gchristensen> colemickens: hm?
<samueldr> what instead of who, I assume :)
<gchristensen> ah
<colemickens> That'd be it. I was sure it was the name of a new language. A cool name for a person, too, though.
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* colemickens wants "openapi2nixmodule" please
<andi-> gchristensen: maybe *your* crashes will not disappear: https://drewdevault.com/2020/10/23/Im-handing-wlroots-and-sway-to-Simon.html
<andi-> s/not/now/
<gchristensen> neat
<gchristensen> I wonder how Simon feels about crashes. does he want sway to crash?
<samueldr> nah, it shouldn't
<andi-> I'd rather have it crash then execute random instructions :)
<colemickens> Maybe instead of openapi2nix, I want openapi2nickel...
<colemickens> given Nickel's stated goals...
<colemickens> is there a #nickel I wonder
<andi-> there is tooling for openapi2dhall IIRC
<colemickens> hm, I see something, and then there's dhall-kubernetes that I believe is generated from the openapi specs.
<andi-> yeah
<andi-> what are you trying to use it for?
<colemickens> Azure IaaS APIs have OpenAPI schemas for their ARM resources.
<colemickens> I want to specify my IaaS resources in Nix and then have it generates the raw JSON documents to POST.
<andi-> sounds like a job for dhall. I recently wrote a few documents with dhall-kubernetes and they weren't even valid afterwards. Apparently those openapi specs aren't "complete" for the simplest examples of running a hello world webserver.
<colemickens> I am quite excited about Nickel's stated goals. Having typed modules for something like this, and then letting the user specify untyped (or inferred, I guess) input would be highly ideal.
<andi-> I would love to see Nix used instead by ripping out the store from the evaluator. Users, that aren't by heart functional programmers, would only have to learn a single language and not two, three, …
<joepie91> samueldr: the takedown notice is a huge crock of shit
<joepie91> "expressly suggests its use to copy and/or distribute the following copyrighted works" refers to the URLs to some of 'their' videos being part of the test suite
<samueldr> joepie91: I know
<joepie91> likewise, I'm pretty sure that the observation of "you can't actually demand takedown this way for circumvention" is correct
<joepie91> as the process is only intended for actual infringements
<joepie91> by all appearances this basically looks like intimidation
<samueldr> it _is_, but it could be with legit or ill intent!
<joepie91> it's the RIAA
<joepie91> I don't think there's any question about intent
<pinpox> https://youtu.be/PjAmr22FZts?t=1005 I kinda agree with the points he made on the more user friendly commands'
<samueldr> joepie91: I was using legit as "respecting the current legal framework", without casting judgement about it :)
<joepie91> samueldr: considering it's an organization that's 50% lawyers by volume, I strongly doubt that it was an innocuous mistake, so I don't believe that they were intending to respect the legal framework
<samueldr> ah, I meant that in the larger sense; they always do intimidation, sometimes respecting the framework, sometimes not
<drakonis> colemickens: sadly not yet
<drakonis> i'm looking at the commit history and i'd honestly be surprised if it didnt replace nix lang
<ashkitten> colemickens: have you seen https://gitlab.gnome.org/feaneron/obs-xdg-portal ?
<worldofpeace> ashkitten: ooohoh that's coooollllllllll
<colemickens> no, I feel like I've read (anecdotally) that it didn't work as well as wlr-obs, but I've not tried it myself.
<colemickens> (and I've been sorta having weird issues with xdg-portal lately, though it is working again now)
<ashkitten> according to #wayland xdg-portal should work to capture individual windows whereas that is not supported in wlrobs
<ashkitten> (i haven't gotten that working in firefox though, only entire screens... maybe that's a firefox bug?)
<colemickens> I think that would have to be supported by xdg-desktop-portal-wlr and my understanding was that it didn't (yet) support per-window selection.
<ashkitten> ah
<colemickens> they don't even have output selection yet
<ashkitten> hmm
<colemickens> though it looks like that's getting closer? https://github.com/emersion/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr/pull/59
<{^_^}> emersion/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr#59 (by columbarius, 2 weeks ago, open): Add graphical display chooser
<ashkitten> hmmm
<drakonis> nickel looks incredibly promising as a clean slate nix replacement
<drakonis> given a potential way migration route into it
<colemickens> ashkitten: imo, it's a big feature cap in this year of our lady coronavirus. I hope it's something someone decides to champion and push through.
<ashkitten> mhm
<andi-> Migration would be nice if Nickel would support 100% Nix ;)
<andi-> Not looking forward to having a split between the languages and constantly having a wrapper/language barrier between the two
<drakonis> i'm looking forward to nickel all the things and do away with dependencies on third party languages
<ashkitten> btw, colemickens, do you know why we're supposed to set XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=sway for the portal to work? i feel like if it's important then sway should be setting that itself
<colemickens> I think that there's a binding somehow between sway->wlr portal. I asked about this a long while back. Let me see if I can find anything to substantiate that.
<ashkitten> ty
<colemickens> ashkitten: I'm piecing this together myself again, but there's this: https://github.com/emersion/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr/blob/master/wlr.portal
<colemickens> note the UseIn
<ashkitten> i see
<colemickens> that code where xdg-desktop-portal matches against ... i didn't look, but I'm guessing the *.portal files it discovers..
<ashkitten> mostly just confused why sway doesn't set that itself
<colemickens> Ah yeah, I don't know about that one :)
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* colemickens hit his first repo that breaks automations due to s/master/main/ assumptions
* colemickens forgot he already accomodates this case anyway, ha
<drakonis> youtube-dl got taken down by riaa
<drakonis> wtf
<joepie91> yep
<joepie91> the internet seems, overall, pretty universally angry about it
<drakonis> welp
<samueldr> I also love the tepid take of "don't buy their music, it's garbage anyway"
<samueldr> considering that if it's not a _truly_ independent band, all labels in the US are under the RIAA
<samueldr> and that rights for bands fall under different labels depending upon where in the world you buy the music
<samueldr> so basically, around 85% of the music is garbage!
<samueldr> (well, it might just be)
<samueldr> (but that's unrelated to RIAA or not)
<drakonis> riaa is a mafia isnt it
<joepie91> basically
<drakonis> they strongarm people into joining them
<joepie91> same deal with similar organizations in other countries like BREIN
<samueldr> yes, definitely
<samueldr> that's why the "all of it is garbage" generalization is... no
<samueldr> I would wager that *all* countries have their own RIAA equivalent
<samueldr> or uh, all cultures close to ours?