<eyJhb>
Currently just writing in some of my probability theory, and a question of a random process is the phone bill you get each month. I am QUITE certain, that they don't just do `eyJhbsBill = rand(0,10000)`
<tilpner>
eyJhb: I doubt that's what they meant. View it from the providers perspective, where each customers monthly usage can be modelled and condendensed into a few random variables. Over all customers, the distribution can be used to inform infrastructure expansion decisions (or market segmentation)
<eyJhb>
tilpner: See that would make sense, right? But that is not the case. I think they are more thinking in if you do not have a prepaid plan, etc. but yes, it would be better if it was in form of a company
<eyJhb>
`Describe a random process that you are likely to encounter in the following situations: - paying the monthly telephone bill` -> `expense in dollars and cents `
<eyJhb>
But not really that important, just a little "fun thing"
<gchristensen>
I can confirm non-prepaid-phones are also not random
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<eyJhb>
gchristensen: ^ Also what I am thinking
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<eyJhb>
I am guessing if you add kids, then it starts getting more random
<eyJhb>
But a very weird example
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<tilpner>
Fine, that's a little weird. I guess record past bills, and predict your likely spending for budgeting? Ehh
<tilpner>
So what you said, but with a better distribution than uniform [0; 10000)
<eyJhb>
Yeah, pretty much :p But like it is quite easy, when you just pay 99 DKK each month
<eyJhb>
> DKK 99
<{^_^}>
"343035.990000 VND"
<eyJhb>
> VND 343035
<{^_^}>
"13.035330 EUR"
<eyJhb>
Free text, 10 hour call, LTE, 50 GB Data, and data in all of EU :D - I have heard that would cost quite a bit more in e.g. Canada, etc.
<joepie91>
it would also cost quite a bit more in NL
<joepie91>
and probably most countries
<sphalerite>
eyJhb: or Germany
<eyJhb>
We have that fun thing, and now you need to listen up guys. We start phone companies with REALLY LOW PRICES, so low that it is a bad business.
<sphalerite>
… but I thought Denmark was supposed to be an expensive country!
<eyJhb>
Then you take all of the other companys customers, and then at some point they have to buy you out, and THEN you make money
<eyJhb>
And that just drives the prices to nothing...
<sphalerite>
so who's getting screwed over?
<eyJhb>
I am guessing other things are? :p
<eyJhb>
sphalerite: The big companies, so it is OK
<sphalerite>
that sounds… unlikely?
<sphalerite>
surely the big ones are the ones that are operating the infrastructure, so the small ones have to pay them as well?
<eyJhb>
I am not 100% into it, but I am guessing that maybe they have to pay them, but the fee is quite small compared to what they got from the customers they have
<sphalerite>
something seems off there.
<supersandro2000>
internet is stupid expensive in Germany
<supersandro2000>
especially mobile one
<supersandro2000>
and then you go 5 meters in the forst and you have Edge
<supersandro2000>
forest
<eyJhb>
sphalerite: I will try to find some article about it
<makefu>
for mobile this is true, however right now you can get gigabit (down at least) for ~40€ via cable
<sphalerite>
I'd expect the companies operating the infrastructure to charge the new small ones such that most of the money from the consumers on the small companies pay a similar amount to what they charge their own consumers
<sphalerite>
though if there are some nice laws preventing that, that's cool :p
<eyJhb>
Like fiber net (1 Gbit/s up and down) in Denmark you can get for 489 DKK
<sphalerite>
symmetric *_*
<sphalerite>
I want it
<eyJhb>
sphalerite: I think there is.. But I am not sure, but I know that is roughly what they do
<eyJhb>
lso
<eyJhb>
> DKK 489
<{^_^}>
"1694389.890000 VND"
<eyJhb>
> VND 1694389
<sphalerite>
I get "fibre" in my new flat but the last 10 metres are DSL, 100Mbit down and 40 up.
<{^_^}>
"64.386782 EUR"
<eyJhb>
sphalerite: for how much?
<sphalerite>
somwehre between 20 and 30 EUR iirc
<supersandro2000>
makefu: I get 50 Mbps for that price
<eyJhb>
I have a shared connection for 4 EUR atm. capped at 100/100 Mbit/s
<eyJhb>
It is way more fun sitting at uni however -> `[ 5] 0.00-10.00 sec 1.07 GBytes 923 Mbits/sec 1 sender`
<supersandro2000>
I am just saying #Neuland
<eyJhb>
Markers?
<talyz>
eyJhb: whoa, that's really cheap compared to sweden too
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<talyz>
eyJhb: I have one of the cheaper / crappier mobile operators and they would charge 299 SEK for 50GB of data
<supersandro2000>
even my local hackpspace only has 250MB or so
<ar>
my local hackerspace is an isp ;)
<supersandro2000>
technically we provide internet to the house
<ar>
(our connection to the local IX is a 1gbit link)
<ar>
(symmetric)
<ar>
we have some tentative plans to upgrade to a 10g link
<talyz>
eyJhb: the 1 Gbit/s fibre prices are similar, though
<ar>
at home i have a 1000/100mbit link with a static ipv4 address, but no ipv6, for 89pln/mo (~20€)
<gchristensen>
$100/mo here for 100Mbps/30Mbps... the county is talking about becoming a fiber ISP since nobody else has managed to do it
<talyz>
gchristensen: that's pretty outrageous :o
<gchristensen>
welcome to the beautiful, rural, mountains of the berkshires!
<gchristensen>
maybe hills would be better
<eyJhb>
ar: Sounds quite nice!
<eyJhb>
> SEK 299
<{^_^}>
"299 SEK (weakest of the Norse Brothers) = 212.290000 DKK"
<eyJhb>
That is quite a lot for that... talyz :/
<eyJhb>
We have a bunch of places, that is connected to the university by a `black fiber`, so they get 10 Gbit/s for like 100 people sometimes. And most do NOTHING with it, so WIN
<eyJhb>
We are for some reason limited te 750 Mbit/s in total where I live, and each is capped at 100 Mbit/s then..
<gchristensen>
talyz: I nearly lived in a house which could only get dialup, and they bonded it.
* etu
has 500/500, pretty nice
* joepie91
also 500/500
<abathur>
I think we've got like 50/5? :)
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<supersandro2000>
3 years ago I had 16k/2k. Don't know how I lived back then
<philipp[m]>
Is there some sort of formal distinction for the -small vs the normal channel? What exactly also lands in small?
<steveeJ>
philipp[m]: someone will surely correct of complement me here. AFAIU small is gated by a smaller subset of the tests that gate the normal channels
<steveeJ>
philipp[m]: this means effectively that you'll have new changes sooner at the cost of higher risk
<philipp[m]>
Ah, that would make sense.
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<gchristensen>
and fewer prebuilt packages
<__monty__>
A list of the packages that aren't necessarily cached for *-small would be pretty useful though.
<philipp[m]>
Yeah, that would help with informed decisions. I'm using the -small channel quite a bit but I found it's being ignored by a lot of people, probably because it's not obvious what it is.
<__monty__>
Afaik it's kinda intended for headless systems?
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<talyz>
eyJhb: Not super cheap, no. I would pay it if I felt like I needed it, but my current plan of 4GB / month for 79 SEK is good enough, especially now..
<talyz>
gchristensen: That's, um, one way to solve it I guess :p Blazing 112kbps speeds, right?
<gchristensen>
haha
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<FireFly>
talyz: hmm, who offers that plan?
<FireFly>
sounds a bit tempting..
<talyz>
FireFly: Hallon, but they also have pretty terrible coverage compared to the others, so you get what you pay for ;)
<FireFly>
*nod*, fair
<talyz>
FireFly: The price seems to be 99 SEK / month now, though
<FireFly>
I had the nice telenor plan, before they got rid of it >.>
<FireFly>
or rather, bumped the 'unlimited data' to something absurd like 750 kr/mo or so
<talyz>
heh, wow
<talyz>
"we really don't want you to choose this one"
<FireFly>
yeah, it used to be 200, then 300..
<FireFly>
but I guess it didn't really make sense for them to continue to offer that
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<turlando>
I have a voucher from my university I can spend on books. Any suggestions on what should I buy IT/programming-related? I'm looking for something that makes it better on paper than on a pdf downloaded from libgen
<ldlework>
What are you into?
<turlando>
from functional programming to security and architecture
<turlando>
right now I was looking at PoC||GTFO vol 2 since I already have the first one
<turlando>
I would also buy something to support the authors
<FireFly>
oh yeah, I should get the pocorgtfo volumes
<turlando>
Also something about statistics or quant finance wouldn't be bad
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<turlando>
my home modem almost committed suicide
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<eyJhb>
talyz: My plan started as 2-4 GB, but they just keep upgrading it!
<etu>
FireFly: I used to have the unlimited plan on a 4G stick for a while, then I stopped using it but wanted to have it available so I rented it out to a college who hit the transfer limit of a 100G/month :D
<etu>
FireFly: They later removed that limit from the unlimited plan.
<etu>
talyz: I pay 90sek/month for my mobile plan, and I have good coverage in Sweden at least. But it's on the Telenor network instead of 3. They tend to be worse abroad, but that's not a big problem nowadays :p
<FireFly>
etu: heh, I used something around 100G in a month at one point when tethering.. I figured I'd try the 'unlimited' aspect
<FireFly>
in practice I never hit anything close to that, but it as pretty nice to not have to worry about the quota
<etu>
FireFly: They gave me some bs like: "our opinion is that 100G is unlimited"
<FireFly>
it's probably in the fine print, as an acceptable use policy thing
<etu>
Nah, they were forced to remove the limit :)
<etu>
Someone else was more upset than me
<FireFly>
ah nice
<eyJhb>
etu: "Was more upset than me" :p
<eyJhb>
Also, that is some BS. But there is some company in DK that does the same, you have unlimited data, but at 100 GB they just throttle you to unuseable
<eyJhb>
ALso, any bitlbee users that know how to use the extrasettings, to set a default on accounts ?
<evanjs>
Had to brain vomit (i.e. happy rant) after watching the video to underline some important (and minor) things I though should be addressed, but as you were saying, I think it's a great look for "outsiders"
<drakonis>
fascinating.
* cole-h
switches Twitter from "top tweets" to "most recent tweets"
* cole-h
still doesn't seen a gchristensen tweet sent 20m ago
<cole-h>
(granted it's a reply to a tweet, but still)
<gchristensen>
ah yes enterprise resource planning for your home
<__monty__>
Needs more machine learning.
<philipp[m]>
gchristensen: It's a nixos module, so it must be good, right? :p
<gchristensen>
hehe
<gchristensen>
okay the barcode scanning is great. I implemented that with Todoist + barcodelookup.com + iOS Shortcuts for a bit, but the barcodelookup.com cost was way too high
<philipp[m]>
And it's got an interface to open food facts.
<__monty__>
I assume most of that is just matching what other users have entered? Afaik there's no general agreements about what barcodes mean?
<samueldr>
gchristensen: you might be interested in knowing that some online marketplaces accept barcodes as search terms
<gchristensen>
oh cool
<samueldr>
*some*, and I only know of some for here
<samueldr>
__monty__: there is a general agreement on how it's structured
<samueldr>
__monty__: but a span of codes is used as an owner sees fit
<samueldr>
there are a two main standards in use
<samueldr>
[for products]
<samueldr>
UPC and EAN-13
<gchristensen>
and a whole additional format for meats
<samueldr>
yeah, which also is standardized IIRC
<__monty__>
Hmm, that I didn't know.
<gchristensen>
I was reading whitepapers about meat barcodes and then I gave up trying to have todoist + barcodelookup.com be my freezer tracker
<samueldr>
so when you work long enough needing to look up UPC codes, you end up knowing the manufacturer by code
<__monty__>
I thought it was basically just encoded opaque identifiers.
<samueldr>
half of it is
<samueldr>
though even then, the opaque half has recommendations IIRC
<samueldr>
about how you'd leave the last (non-check) digit as a "format" selector, so e.g. you have 0 99999 1234X C
<samueldr>
99999 is the owner
<samueldr>
1234 is the product, X would be the format, e.g. 6 pack, 1 unit
<makefu>
cole-h: i've posted to /r/nixos, maybe it wakes someone up :)
<samueldr>
but that's something I've been keeping my eye on
<aleph->
samueldr: Also qq, do we have a tracking board or issue for (un)official ports of nixOS to arm boards? Want something to track for my NAS since I know a number of folks here are awaiting one.
<aleph->
Ah you should.
<samueldr>
aleph-: not that I know of
<aleph->
I use arcan with safe spaces and a oculus CV1 myself
<samueldr>
mine is still not shipped from its Canada entry point AFAIK
<aleph->
Ah, got it.
<aleph->
Geez.
<samueldr>
well, it has to go from all the way over there to all the way up here!
<samueldr>
aleph-: played with the network transparency bits?
<samueldr>
aleph-: one area that interests me is plugging in e.g. a dumb ol' ARM SBC into a screen and just throw a window into it
<aleph->
samueldr: Ah heh. Far north I see
<aleph->
samueldr: I have not as much, no.
<aleph->
samueldr: heh interesting
<aleph->
I think
<__monty__>
Hmm, github's 500 is pretty cute, haven't run into octocat falling down a ravine yet.
<colemickens>
people use arcan o_0
<colemickens>
I wonder what the Arcan author thinks of Nix.