<lovesegfault>
A. My 3D printer parts will arrive from China
<lovesegfault>
B. Hydra will successfully build nixos-unstable with my changes so I can run my 3D printer
<lovesegfault>
make your bets
<lovesegfault>
😅
<cole-h>
What's the eta of the package?
<lovesegfault>
Unknown, UPS says it's in transit and has left Shanghai
<cole-h>
My bet's on B, tbh.
<lovesegfault>
We'll see P
<lovesegfault>
*:P
<cole-h>
P:
<pie_>
at first i thought you were asking about the ETA for the nix package
<colemickens>
is there an exact word for the feeling when google completes your search and you don't know if its because there are really results for it, or its just composing workable sentences with suffixes that I've just been searching for.
<samueldr>
colemickens: bamgoogled
<samueldr>
(bamboozled)
<pie_>
false hope?
<elvishjerricco>
Which rss readers do you all like to use?
<samueldr>
tt-rss
<cole-h>
newsboat
<lovesegfault>
newsboat
<lovesegfault>
although building newsboat from source absolutely sucks
<elvishjerricco>
Hm, I can't get newsboat to open in browser...
<elvishjerricco>
Ah, you have to use the BROWSER environment variable
<cole-h>
If I have a systemd unit that has two wantedby's, does it wait until both of them are started, or only one of them?
<cole-h>
Or, should I be using something else if I want to wait until after a specific target is reached AND a specific service has started successfully?
<lovesegfault>
You want `After` cole-h
<lovesegfault>
Well, you want both `After` and one of `WantedBy`, `BindsTo`, `PartOf` etc
<lovesegfault>
see man 5 systemd.unit
<cole-h>
Yeah, I keep re-reading that. But I guess I have a really tiny brain because those manpages have never made sense to me lol
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<lovesegfault>
I have to read them every single time I need it
<cole-h>
let's try `wantedBy = [ "timers.target" ]; after = [ "home-manager-vin.service" ];`, then
<lovesegfault>
because it never makes sense afterwards
<cole-h>
That wiki is the character's wiki, and that website is dedicated to the general works of Brandon Sanderson (with most of his works being a part of the "Cosmere" universe)
<lovesegfault>
That's pretty cool
<lovesegfault>
is the author alive?
<cole-h>
Yep
<cole-h>
And he writes like a machine
<lovesegfault>
That will either rock or suck (c.f. J.K. Rowling)
<cole-h>
His 4th Stormlight Archives book (another series in the Cosmere universe) comes out this November
<cole-h>
Well, depends on the reader.
<cole-h>
I quite like all his works
<cole-h>
Some don't like how he writes his characters, others don't like the plot
<cole-h>
I'm content with all of the above.
<lovesegfault>
It's been so long since I've read fiction, I should continue with the last book I left halfway
<cole-h>
If you like fantasy works, I'd suggest giving both the Stormlight Archives and Mistborn series a shot.
<lovesegfault>
but I have three books in the queue right now, so maybe 2021 :P
<cole-h>
They're not going anywhere :)
<lovesegfault>
Last fantasy I read was GoT
<lovesegfault>
I think
<cole-h>
I empathize; I'm still in the middle of reading WoT book 1 lol
<cole-h>
Got through 25 chapters before I started working part-time, and then school, and now I'm just barely hanging on to my free time (:
<lovesegfault>
WoT?
<cole-h>
Wheel of Time
<energizer>
uwotm8
<cole-h>
Book 1 is The Eye of the World
<lovesegfault>
Ah, I see
<lovesegfault>
I'm reading something about the economic policy of yugoslavia right now
<lovesegfault>
want to learn about the workers self management platform
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<infinisil>
Hm, what if Discord were bridged with #nixos
<samueldr>
no
<sphalerite>
Is there a tool that lets me setuid regardless of the ID existing in /etc/passwd?
<infinisil>
samueldr: fair enough!
<gchristensen>
mark zuckerberg hasn't been subject to a class action suit for computer fraud and privacy invasion, discord's CEO must be even less ethical
<NinjaTrappeur>
samueldr++
<{^_^}>
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<samueldr>
>> What if hardware with batteries that are not trivially user-serviceable came with a permanently stamped "expired by" date marking when the battery is not guaranteed to be safe from expanding into a "spicy pillow"? (Or better yet, expiration date of a normal given capacity)
<samueldr>
imagine buying a iPhone today with 2022/10/01 written on it
<samueldr>
first of all, "eww, writing"
<samueldr>
which is a goal here!
<sphalerite>
samueldr: "safe until"
<samueldr>
that would be the intent
<samueldr>
but "safe until" is probably not a good phrasing that would get past all levels where such a measure would need to
<samueldr>
first of, that would imply the device is "safe"
<samueldr>
which I'm sure EULAs try to dissociate any kind of safety even if illegal :)
<samueldr>
I was proposing a phrasing that could realistically pass
<samueldr>
but yes, make it "safe until" please
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<eyJhb>
Testing MS Teams meeting alone is kind of sad
<eyJhb>
Maybe, maybe not the screen sharing works, who knows?!
<cole-h>
C'mon Hydra, just start that metrics job so I can get a new unstable
<__monty__>
samueldr: I love that idea.
<eyJhb>
cole-h: unstable is 1 hour old? :|
<cole-h>
eyJhb: No, unstable updated 1 hour ago (now 2)
<cole-h>
I want something that was merged between then and now :P
<eyJhb>
cole-h: I see :p
<eyJhb>
I can't switch to the new version anyways :p
<sphalerite>
hm, I want to wifi-ify my heating. Not sure how though :D Does anyone know any tricks to find documentation on the relevant interfaces? What I know so far is that the boiler manufacturer is Vaillant, and the thermostat I'm looking to replace is connected via pins labelled 7, 8, and 9. 8 and 9 seem to be the positive and ground terminals for the supply respectively (24V DC), while 7 is the
<sphalerite>
control pin
<sphalerite>
I just have no idea what to put in the control pin >.<
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<sphalerite>
oh and it's an analog control pin
<__monty__>
Is it not as simple as more voltage, more warmer?
<samueldr>
yeah, if you have something floating in the pipes it'll make a racket going around
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<eyJhb>
sphalerite: But isn't it a simple variable resistor ?
<gchristensen>
variable?
<gchristensen>
heaters are on/off
<samueldr>
sphalerite said thermostat somewhere... so maybe that's the interface from thermostat to boiler?
<gchristensen>
yeah thermostats send an on/off signal
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<samueldr>
and cole-h said he's only doing "some" work ;)
<cole-h>
Heh
<cole-h>
That topic is something I've brought up and thought about before
<cole-h>
Because people who push directly to master *without a descriptive commit message* are the bane of my Nixpkgs existence
<cole-h>
>> tracks down issue to a commit
<cole-h>
>> commit message is "fix issue in package a" with no other elaboration
<cole-h>
>> ???????????????????
<cole-h>
Though, admittedly, these instances have been few and far between (so much so that I had to contrive an example just now)
<cole-h>
Also, procrastinating writing an essay due Sunday makes me oddly productive in other ways
<cole-h>
(:
<sphalerite>
gchristensen: not necessarily? It could adjust the amount of gas flowing
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<sphalerite>
eyJhb: but no, it's not a simple variable resistor, thermostats also incorporate a temperature sensor… and the one I want to replace has fancy digital electronics, allowing setting up timed programs and stuff
<gchristensen>
I don't think any heaters or coolers can do that?
<sphalerite>
but no network connection
<sphalerite>
gchristensen: why not? In much the same way as you can adjust the flame on a gas cooker
<gchristensen>
my understanding is they just don't do that
<gchristensen>
that they're either all the way on, or all the way off
<sphalerite>
hm ok
<energizer>
there is such thing as a variable-speed furnace
<__monty__>
Boilers I've seen do have a set operating temperature. Modulating on/off to achieve that temperature. Couldn't a thermostat vary that temperature within safe bounds (legionella et al) in theory?
<gchristensen>
we're not talking about what could be, but what is
<gchristensen>
the interface for every thermostat I know of, is "do the thing" and "don't do the thing"
<sphalerite>
I don't really give a damn if there's legionella in my radiator water circuit :D
<eyJhb>
Ohh god, DigitalOceans API is slow as hell again...
<__monty__>
Aren't boilers usually for both radiators and hot water?
<sphalerite>
this thermostat only controls the heating circuit, the tap water is independent of it and the boiler works out when to heat that itself
<sphalerite>
I mean, it is the same boiler
<gchristensen>
your boiler heats your water too? I understand that to be fairly uncommon (though, mine does work that way)
<sphalerite>
but not the same water circuit, nor the same electrical circuit
<sphalerite>
gchristensen: the same machine goes whirr if I turn the heating on and if I turn a hot tap on :D
<gchristensen>
right on
<sphalerite>
gchristensen: maybe it's only rare in the US? I mean, I have no idea in general tbh
<eyJhb>
Have a 5 minute demo tomorrow, currently DO has taken 3 minutes to create a VPS, and couting?! :(
<sphalerite>
eyJhb: don't use DO? :D
<energizer>
there's also "two-stage" heating systems with high/low settings
<samueldr>
with hydro-electricity here pretty much all "appartments" (flats) are heated using base wall resistive electric heating
<samueldr>
and many homes too
<gchristensen>
samueldr: jealous of your abundant, nearly free hydra electricity
<eyJhb>
sphalerite: currently the only implementation I have ...
<samueldr>
gchristensen: some states buy it!
<eyJhb>
:( But I have considered doing a new one, just because DO is so hella unstable
<gchristensen>
jealous of them too!
<samueldr>
it's kind of weird how that makes *many* things so different
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<samueldr>
so few homes are hooked to natural gas
<sphalerite>
I had central heating in my old flat, it was so much simpler…
<energizer>
are the nixcon videos gonna be split into individual talk videos? (i dont wanna watch the whole thing)
<sphalerite>
yes
<energizer>
cool
<samueldr>
so there's one thing I'm kind of jealous (and afraid) of: gas stove tops
<samueldr>
it was kind of funny to see about a dozen fully grown adults, maybe more, in a lodge (chalet) not knowing how to really use the stove top at first and being all kinds of confused
<samueldr>
see, none of us had been exposed to that, even though at least half of us cooked quite regularly!
<__monty__>
Heh.
<__monty__>
I'll be sad to see gas go just for the gas ranges.
<__monty__>
gchristensen: Fwiw, I don't think I've ever seen separate boilers for heating and hot water here.
<joepie91>
used to be separate here
<joepie91>
in NL
<joepie91>
but in the past decades it's all been combi things
<gchristensen>
huh
<joepie91>
well that's not entirely true actually, boiling-water-taps and kitchen boilers are still semi-popular
<__monty__>
sphalerite: Maybe legionella and other bugs decrease heating efficiency too?
<cole-h>
sphalerite: (and "he's", and "she's")
<joepie91>
mainly because of instant hot water
<joepie91>
but the default heating deployment in NL nowadays is a 'combi boiler'
<__monty__>
eyJhb: Recommend recording a video in case the demo doesn't work out. You can skip the waiting and focus on the interesting bits.
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<sphalerite>
cole-h: aah, but those are completely different and pronounced differently too :D
<cole-h>
But they're contractions and expand to `pronoun + is`, just like "it's" -> `it is` ;)
<cole-h>
(I was being a pedant and showing it's not just "it's" that expands to "<..> + is")
<sphalerite>
samueldr: ha. I grew up cooking with gas, but have been using electric for 7 years or so now. Induction is the only thing that can compete with gas IMHO
<gchristensen>
induction has the one major flaw in that it doesn't spew CO in to your house
<eyJhb>
__monty__: considered it, but it is a fun little internal demo at LEGO, so even if nothing goes to plan it should be OK! :p
<eyJhb>
I might just set a VPS up before the DEMO to skip all that wating, as it takes 2-3 mins, which is no fun
<eyJhb>
The rest takes 30 secs
<cole-h>
>> internal demo at LEGO
<cole-h>
👀
<eyJhb>
Every other week we do demos, where whoever wants to show what they are working on can do so :p 5 min demo, 5 min questions. Never seen one or done a demo at them yet. So is going to be fun!
<cole-h>
That's cool. This *is* the plastic brick manufacturer, right?
<eyJhb>
It indeed is!
<eyJhb>
Very cool company to work for
<eyJhb>
Started just in time to get some sweet sweet LEGO swag as well
<joepie91>
eyJhb: so when will you be leaving and starting your own clone brand?
<joepie91>
wait, this isn't silicon valley :P
<cole-h>
lol
<cole-h>
lol x2
<eyJhb>
joepie91: actually, LEGO has no patent on the "brick" anymore
<eyJhb>
So yeah, could as well!
<joepie91>
eyJhb: still does on the minifigs though, which is why off-brand minifigs generally look like disfigured zombie blobs
<etu>
eyJhb: wait, you work at lego now?
<cole-h>
If I may, what do you do for LEGO?
<cole-h>
s/for/at/, maybe
<etu>
eyJhb: They have the brand recognition though
<eyJhb>
joepie91: that might be true, but generally their bricks are better than most :p THe museeum they have is.. Insanely cool :D
<eyJhb>
etu: Have done since last year :p
<etu>
eyJhb: :o
<eyJhb>
cole-h: The security teaching platform I keep talking about :|
<eyJhb>
But finally turned it in the direction I wantde
<eyJhb>
wanted**
<cole-h>
I guess I haven't been paying attention, because this is the first I'm hearing of "security teaching platform" :o
<eyJhb>
Haha, I have a dream of building one anyways. Pitched it for LEGO, they hired me, and I just get to work on it :p
<eyJhb>
So I have been working on it eversince, and been learning a lot! But hell it takes long. And I had my focus all wrong
<cole-h>
So, is "security teaching platform" where security is taught to people, or a teaching platform with loads of security? :P
<eyJhb>
cole-h: Actually thought I had talked so much about it, that some was getting annoyed, so I somewhat stopped :p
<cole-h>
lol
<cole-h>
Maybe this happened when I was either new here, or in recent months where my free time has -> 0
<eyJhb>
Teaching security principles to people, where currently it is somewhat heavily CTF based challenges. But I basically want two websites, one which has exercises you can spin up and another with teaching materials where you can read about various topics.
<eyJhb>
Hmm. maybe :p I think it is some time ago as well I talked about it
<eyJhb>
Been quite busy myself. Currently have a somewhat angry GF who wants to spend time with me
<cole-h>
That sounds cool. Now I'm curious what that has to do with LEGO, though, haha
<eyJhb>
Wanting to take a bigger role in security, as most do not associate them with it. Also. LEGO is just a cool company that wants to do whatever it can with its money mostly.. :p That is at least what I have always thought, and continue to think
<cole-h>
Yeah, that was my confusion ("LEGO hired somebody to help teach about security principles? The plastic brick manufacturer?").
<eyJhb>
`go run teachclient/main.go create TOTALLYNOTADEMOPLEASEWORK` worked
<eyJhb>
cole-h: Understandable!
<cole-h>
If you ever want to test the efficacy of some of your "courses", and I'm available, I'd be interested. I've always found security interesting, but haven't really invested much time into learning it
<__monty__>
Lego is Denmark's Samsung.
<eyJhb>
cole-h: Will keep that in mind! :D Currently I just have a few challenges from a CTF we did. Goal is to port stuff from other CTFs
<eyJhb>
And one day, I will build all the things in NIX!
<cole-h>
What other cool stuff is LEGO into (aside from their bricks)? As you probably noticed, I never pegged them as a tech(-adjacent) company
<cole-h>
Though I guess it's the same for Target -- never would have guessed they'd be involved in tech (at least, enough to know of/use Nix), yet now we have lorri and flakes thanks to them.
<__monty__>
Flakes is sponsored by Target too?
<gchristensen>
some of it was certainly
<__monty__>
Tech and logistics do go hand in hand afaict.
<cole-h>
"Flakes were developed at Tweag and funded by Target Corporation and Tweag."
<cole-h>
I'm really putting my naivete on display, aren't I? ðŸ¤
<eyJhb>
cole-h: I sadly do not know that much else, since I am isolated away from LEGO most of the time. They are in Billund and I am in Aalborg and work from home :( I just know they are doing something in very little details!
<cole-h>
Haha, oh well.
<__monty__>
Is Target getting problems they have solved or is it more doing good and getting some press?
* cole-h
puts LEGO on my list of "places that might be fun to work at"
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<eyJhb>
cole-h: It is! :D Would 100% recommend
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<viric>
anyone using nix master?
<gchristensen>
__monty__: they'd get more good press doing something with tools which weren't nix lol
<energizer>
nix isn't exactly clickbait material
<viric>
umh I can mount things to .
<viric>
but next 'ls' doesn't show them until I do the proper cd.
<sphalerite>
viric: yep, the working directory is like a file descriptor
<sphalerite>
you can remain in the old one even if a new one has been mounted over it
<viric>
sure
<viric>
strange that I hit that only today, after so many years.
<sphalerite>
:)
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<__monty__>
gchristensen: Hey, I said they were cool foss sponsors, not that they were marketing geniuses.
<__monty__>
(Joke based on the pregnancy predicting advertising based on analysis of purchases.)
<cole-h>
viric: I use Nix master (ish)
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<viric>
good
<viric>
oh I've just seen dwarffs. very nice
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<gchristensen>
sphalerite: I think I need to move beyond zenity :( somebody should make gtk.sh so I can do it from bash, opengl-from-bash style
<gchristensen>
I want a more complex thing: here is a nix-diff, checkbox: do you want to upgrade firmware? either: no, now, nextboot
<cole-h>
firmware only?
<gchristensen>
yeah I might need to flesh that state machine out a bit etter
<cole-h>
:P
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<abathur>
the text-information dialog appears to support html, so maybe you really just need a bash http server? :)