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<aleph-> samueldr: Ah now that is good to know. I was solely using the button on the front panel
<aleph-> And suprisingly reset does not help
<samueldr> hm
<samueldr> I'll probably end up seeing when I have mine
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<lovesegfault> jtojnar: around?
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<colemickens> If Microsoft and Logitech worked together, could they create a 2.4Ghz receiver that could work for both companies wireless non-BT devices?
<colemickens> I know MS embeds their tech that the Xbox accessories use into the Surface tablet, for example. Just curious if it's ever been standardized (insert the xkcd meme here)
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<jtojnar> lovesegfault: am now
<ashkitten> colemickens: don't see why not
<ashkitten> it would just have to connect and speak the correct protocols
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<ashkitten> it's pretty generic stuff i think
<ashkitten> i know logitech's devices all speak some protocol built on hid
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<ashkitten> but the receiver does to the computer
<ashkitten> well, idk about "wire protocol"
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<sphalerite> ashkitten: well, so do Microsoft's devices, because that's the easy way to get it to work everywhere :D
<ashkitten> yeah
<sphalerite> ashkitten: the RF protocol is the more fun part, and who knows what they speak
<ashkitten> would be unsurprised if it's just some simple scheme to send hid packets
<ashkitten> in fact i'd be surprised if it's not
<sphalerite> well, some part of me still holds hope that it's encrypted.
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<MichaelRaskin> Hmm. Easy question: can you swap receivers between two Logitech keyboards?
<ar> MichaelRaskin: if they're the unifying receiver, yes.
<ar> they can be paired with multiple devices
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<eyJhb> sphalerite: you will mostly be disappointed, if you expect anything to be encrypted
<eyJhb> (with something not half broken, if one is lucky)
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<sphalerite> eyJhb: I know :op
<sphalerite> :p *
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<gchristensen> me, looking in to tips to make my home office warmer and more comfortable over winter, .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO_OteHLJcU hah.
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<MichaelRaskin> How to keep your home office warm: 5900X, right?
<__monty__> The plan is to run a minecraft server to turn your box into a furnace?
<gchristensen> haha I guess so
<gchristensen> running ofborg in my office was fine for extra warmth for a while, but the changing fan speeds drove me nuts
<MichaelRaskin> Can you just make it stick with the highest one?
<gchristensen> maybe, but it would be pretty annoying to move it back in to my office, from the basement :)
<MichaelRaskin> Well, you can just make an air exhaust pipe from basement to whatever needs heating, I guess
<__monty__> Clearly you should start mining bitcoin.
<worldofpeace> err, the health effects of the heat and emf exhaust from computers is yet to be determined (like it is it safe for you to heat your house with them... could this be a probable cause of health issue) but the direct heat I believe has studies and it's not good.
<__monty__> Afaik that's just laptops close to offspring-producing-organs?
<sphalerite> worldofpeace: heat is heat… there's nothing special about heat produced by computers
<worldofpeace> WHO did claim in 2011 non-ionizing radiofrequency as a 2B (possible) carcinogen https://www.iarc.fr/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E.pdf, though in general most health professionals struggle greatly to provide almost any data on the subject because it's not regulated in a way (at least in the US) that it basically doesn't cause "heating effects" (setting you aflame) 🤣 anyways that's probably tangential, yes that
<worldofpeace> sort of thing __monty__
<worldofpeace> sphalerite: yeah, this is mostly true. but I'm not sure about living in a datacenter though
<sphalerite> I'm still fairly certain sunlight will kill you a lot faster than living in a data centre :D
<worldofpeace> um, I didn't say a data center would kill anyone. just that I don't know.
<worldofpeace> and yeah, sunlight is to be avoided at all costs. sunscreen even in winter
<__monty__> If you want to worry about radiation it's usual suspects then solar, wifi/5G, powerlines. Don't think electronics even make the list.
<sphalerite> well, vitamin d deficiency is also not nice to have
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<__monty__> All I've heard for powerlines is potential impact long-term (decades).
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<__monty__> Isn't vit D (not a vitamin) suspected to be an indicator rather than an actual beneficial agent in and of itself?
<sphalerite> according to wikipedia (I have no idea) it's important for being able to absorb calcium
<__monty__> Nothing about sleep?
<worldofpeace> yes, u need uvb exposure for that to happen. but we have supplements and I would rather supplement than risk skin cancer and aging effects. also blood tests can be fun idk
<sphalerite> I only read the first paragraph, so don't count on the completeness or accuracy of my information.
<MichaelRaskin> Sleep is just a mess
<MichaelRaskin> Is anyone truly sure of anything generalisable to entire population about sleep?
<sphalerite> "not sleeping is bad" maybe?
<__monty__> worldofpeace: That's the thing. Every is taking vit D supplements. But if they're just a side effect of sun exposure and not the actual molecules that are necessary for good sleep supplementing isn't an alternative.
<__monty__> *everyone
<__monty__> Not not sleeping is also pretty bad.
<sphalerite> __monty__: oh wait, I think we were talking past each other. I don't think vitamin d has anything to do with sleep, my understanding is that that's light-related.
<worldofpeace> I think of it like this, you can buy vit-d or even get a prescription for it. but you can't get one for skin caner __monty__
<worldofpeace> * cancer
<__monty__> Sure, but actual terrible skin cancer is really rare. And vit D is poisonous at fairly low doses and it's fat soluble so you can store while gaining weight then increase blood concentration when losing weight.
<sphalerite> so what we're saying is that there's no one known way to just be healthy? :D
<worldofpeace> I'd think if you asked 50 different people to describe what is healthy you will get 50 slightly or greatly different answers. Because u enter the realm of what's "bad health" and "good health". no one agrees on what's good or bad ever, so you will get responses reflecting the individuals background and current perception of their own personal health.
<MichaelRaskin> If only health…
<__monty__> MichaelRaskin: How does XtreemFS compare to Tahoe-LAFS? Are they about the same thing, any distinguishing features?
<MichaelRaskin> I have never tried to compare them. But XtreemFS is optimised for performance, and Tahoe-LAFS is about expressive security policies, so I would expect some difference in these questions…
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<eyJhb> __monty__: Vitamin D is not poisonous in "fairly small doses", compared to normal intake, like 15 micrograms is not much, but a long waf from poisonous
<eyJhb> Else I would be so fucking dead by now
<eyJhb> worldofpeace: That is more true than anything. A friend of mine insits that smoking is good, as it improves her mental health
<MichaelRaskin> One my coworker quit smoking for a few months, ask another coworker (a trusted friend of his) if he is indeed _still_ more irritable than before quitting and also still more slowpoke, got a confirmation and got a vape…
<__monty__> Have they asked again since?
<eyJhb> MichaelRaskin: A older person in my family quit smoking, to try and improve their health and their body did not reach well to it apparantly...
<MichaelRaskin> I think like a week later these two were in agreement that indeed the old (already relatively irritable but less so) state has been restored
<MichaelRaskin> This coworker is not that old, and I think the vape is glycerin&nicotine with nothing on top of that…
<sphalerite> I'm all for people vaping (instead of smoking). Health risks may still be unclear but with burning tobacco we're sure of it, and it doesn't smell quite as bad :D
<MichaelRaskin> I am kind of disappointed that some people vape something with weird aromatisers that might have interesting heating byproducts
<MichaelRaskin> Indeed, I am in favour that if someone seeks slow stream of nicotine, glycerine+nicotine vape should be the preferred solution
<eyJhb> sphalerite: I seem to remember some studies saying that you basically damage your lungs in somewhat the same way, as if you were in a drowning accident (water in your lungs)
<MichaelRaskin> Like, whatever nicotine effects are, smoking kills just via damned tar in lungs!
<MichaelRaskin> Rare case when you can compare two things and say «all the problems, and also the following bad things on top»
<sphalerite> eyJhb: that sounds like something that's not a problem chronically
<eyJhb> sphalerite: it is, it doesn't come out again
<sphalerite> unless it stops the lungs from being able to get rid of water?
<eyJhb> As far as I remember, but surely not all is like "nope, staying here" but I remember that some do...
<eyJhb> But *citation needed*
<MichaelRaskin> I guess the rate of accumulation really matters, because breathing normally loses quite a bit of water via evaporation
<__monty__> eyJhb: Everyone should do their own research if they want to supplement it. You live in a place with very little sun, probably state mandated supplementation in foods? Tropical populations often have fairly low vit D concentrations even though they get plenty of sun. Toxicity for them might be lower. And this also indicates maybe vit D isn't all it's cracked up to be. If your healthy and your sleep
<__monty__> is healthy don't supplement.
<V> I would imagine that tar is significantly worse than glycerine
<MichaelRaskin> It separately disappoints me that people smoke cannabis instead of using any of the cold consumption methods (which anecdotally work — I dunno, I didn't try any of the two approaches)
<eyJhb> Nothing state mandated at all, you get what you get pretty much, and it is not a issue for most. If you live in a place with a lot of sun, then it is no problem, but I highly doubt that even places like this you will get a poisonous effect quickly... I think I have been taking 5x dose of Vitamin D for a year
<eyJhb> But if you do however take too much for a long time, then you will get fucked yes, as the body cannot get rid of it
<eyJhb> But low doses will do nothing
<__monty__> No vit D supplemented milk like Sweden?
<__monty__> Have you benefitted from supplementing it?
<eyJhb> We have a lot more sun than Sweden, there are places in Sweden that get no sun at all at specific times a year.
<eyJhb> Yes, but that was also because my vitamin D level was compared to if I had used a burqa for a year or so. Hence, I am not saying take as much vit D as I did, but low dosis will not kill you, only if you live in a part of the world where there is A LOT of sun, and you take it in a longer period of time
<eyJhb> All vitamins are bad if you get too much :p But unlike some, this will not get out with your pee, sadly
<eyJhb> __monty__: but Vitamin D deficiency hurts, a lot
<__monty__> Anything deficiency hurts, cuddle deficiency is a particularly egregious example.
<eyJhb> True
<eyJhb> I can say, that if you live in not the dessert pretty much, and there is a chance you will not get enough vitamin D, then consider talking with your doctor, and see if it would make sense to take some. Guessing some of us are not out THAT much. And it takes 1-2 years for one to recover
<eyJhb> Unless you live in the US, then.. Save your money I guess :|
<__monty__> Docs prescribe it for everyone here.
<eyJhb> When you say here...
<__monty__> BE. I noticed zero change when I took it for 3 months. Haven't bothered since, do get a lot of sun compared to average, at least in summer.
<eyJhb> __monty__: Took it for 6 months without feeling a change
<eyJhb> How much are you taking? And do you take it with calcium?
<__monty__> Not taking any and no calcium. I'm not deficient.
<eyJhb> Only my oppinion, but I would just take a normal multivitamin, that has like 10 \mu g
<__monty__> Not a fan of those either. You're just taxing your kidneys. Only supplement when it's been determined you need to.
<eyJhb> I think I am taxing them more, when I drink a beer :p
<__monty__> Doesn't liver do most of the heavy lifting in that case?
<eyJhb> Oh fuck
<eyJhb> I mixed stuff up
<eyJhb> Good thing I am not a docter
<eyJhb> doctor*
<__monty__> Anything's ok in moderation. Most supplements are anything but moderate.
<eyJhb> `Alcohol causes changes in the function of the kidneys and makes them less able to filter the blood`
<eyJhb> Depends on the vitamins, we have some multivitamin that looks like horse pills.
<eyJhb> That I will not do
<__monty__> Re the beer, even if it taxes kidneys it's not for nothing. Assuming you had fun consuming it.
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<eyJhb> The SWEET SWEET joy of a sudden cell deletion in Jupyter
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<ajs124> why do I feel like I _need_ to patch this into the landing page of my hydra instance
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<drakonis> slackwyrm is good
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<colemickens> is anyone else having problems with building/the daemon on nixUnstable?
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<aleph-> drakonis: Oh?
<colemickens> about 10% of the time: `TERM=xterm-sha256`, but it never seems to work.
<MichaelRaskin> Hmmmm. Take sha256 of each row and each column and use that to highlight…
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<lovesegfault> jtojnar: still? :P
<lovesegfault> jtojnar: was going to ask for, when you have time, to take a last look at #98917 and (maybe) merge it if you can :)
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/98917 (by lovesegfault, 2 weeks ago, open): klipper: init at 0.8.0
<samueldr> nothing better than a sample-size chat window in the corner of a random page of your site to serve chatting needs with your support staff
<samueldr> where a normal sentence fills six lines instantly
<drakonis> aleph-: a good comic
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<worldofpeace> eyJhb: exactly! while you could only really "while this may improve your mental health here's a bunch of documented risks associated with this activity"
<infinisil> Just trying out kitty, and it has emoji-typing support builtin! 😯
<__monty__> The hints kitten is also really nice.
<__monty__> For links and for copying nix hashes.
<lovesegfault> Anyone around who would say they have a good understanding of patchShebangsAuto?
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<infinisil> Just seen on youtube: "Live chat and Stream [...] (Pre-recorded for safety and liability reasons)"
<infinisil> It's not a live stream if it's prerecorded lol