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<infinisil> Oh no, these bugs are getting stronger
<infinisil> I just saw one on the wall and wanted to squish it, but that thing withstood it completely, not a scratch!
<infinisil> Took it with a tissue, tried to squish it full force to the ground with my hand.. still alive..
<samueldr> *feature
<infinisil> Lol
<samueldr> get more spider friends
<infinisil> As a last resort, I used my full body weight to squish it on the ground, and that did it (mostly, it was still moving a bit after that..)
<infinisil> samueldr: I just caught and released a huge spider an hour ago
<infinisil> I should've paired it up with the tough bug
<samueldr> get a glass jar, with small holes in the cover, pit them against each others
<samueldr> stream on twitch
<samueldr> get banned because PETA complains
<infinisil> Sounds like a plan!
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<drakonis> it is very strange to be on windows again
<drakonis> as my computer came in from maintenance
<drakonis> they swapped in the old hdd for the new one and i need to get my stuff back from it
<drakonis> and i have a ssd now, at last.
<drakonis> all is smooth.
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<Church_> Nice
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<bqv> ...windows
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<bqv> i really want a lemmy instance that isn't uh, flagrantly radical leftist
<bqv> to be honest, i feel like once there is one, there'll be no reason for people not to move over from reddit
<bqv> it seems functional
<colemickens> voat
<bqv> lol.
<bqv> you're not gonna get people to move off from reddit, by just cloning it
<bqv> lemmy actually offers benefits, those mainly being it's naturally censorship resistant and federated
<ashkitten> bqv: what makes it flagrantly radical leftist? the rules look fine to me
<ashkitten> i assume you're talking about dev.lemmy.ml?
<bqv> ashkitten: that instance is a self proclaimed "antifa instance"
<bqv> Every other instance that works is similar
<ashkitten> i don't see where it mentions antifa anywhere
<JJJollyjim> haha
<cole-h> 🤔
<JJJollyjim> im glad to see this actually, i assumed lemmy was another nazis-getting-kicked-off-things reaction
<ashkitten> yeah the CoC looks great
<JJJollyjim> i'm trying to figure out what the tld is short for if not marxist leninist though lol
<JJJollyjim> yeah obviously it's not the official meaning
<JJJollyjim> but why did the devs pick it
<ashkitten> oh
<ashkitten> idk, maybe they're from mali?
<JJJollyjim> yeah maybe
<JJJollyjim> (the reason i assumed not is i remember a headline about them getting EU funding, but that could be just one dev)
<ashkitten> any number of things are possible
<JJJollyjim> indeed :)
<bqv> ashkitten: look harder https://dev.lemmy.ml/post/34286
<bqv> It's pinned in announcements
<JJJollyjim> nice
<ashkitten> cool
<ashkitten> i thought you meant something harmful with the way you said "flagrantly radical leftist"
<bqv> Well, I don't like it, but that was a pretty matter-of-fact statement
<bqv> Politics and tech mixing is upsetting
<ashkitten> i mean, clearly it doesn't affect their code
<bqv> Hence why I'm waiting for an instance that isn't some kind of massive political statement
<ashkitten> honestly i'm just sick of the fact that social media companies profit from a lack of clear political stance
<bqv> The idea that companies need a "political stance" seems nuts to me
<ashkitten> yeah, well, my existence is political so i've learned to deal with it
<ashkitten> the concept of open source software is political too, you know
<ashkitten> but i'm reading through the replies to this thread and the devs don't seem to be trying to imply anything other than their stance against fascism
<ashkitten> so like, fascists can suck it
<bqv> I'm about to sleep, I'm not doing this
<srhb> Speaking of politicized existence, Pride week is mostly online here this year (like many other places I imagine) and I miss it so. I get it, but I miss it. :(
<cole-h> ashkitten++
<{^_^}> ashkitten's karma got increased to like 21, I think
<cole-h> bqv: Good night :)
<ashkitten> bqv: sleep well
<JJJollyjim> oof that sucks srhb :(
<srhb> Really hoping for a comeback next year.
<cole-h> I need to upgrade my computer. Hope AMD drops their 4th gen desktop processors soon (so 3rd gen decreases in price :P)
<cole-h> Not so I can iterate on code faster, but so I can create Dwarf Fortress worlds faster :D
<srhb> cole-h: lmk if you get a build that can actually _run_ a world at any decent speed :P
<ashkitten> i thought cpus don't usually drop in price until well after the next gen is going
<cole-h> srhb: Well, fingers crossed a 3700x can do some work. Otherwise, I think we might need to crowdfund a threadripper x)
<ashkitten> dwarf fortress is the new crysis?
<cole-h> lmao
<srhb> Something like that :P
<cole-h> Dwarf Fortress is the old *and* new crysis
<srhb> If you can have 100 dwarves and get decent updates per second, you've got a really good setup.
<cole-h> It's tough finding a good place to embark. I want a river and a mountain (for that iconic dwarf experience of boring into the mountain)
<srhb> cole-h: In recent versions it's really easy with dfhack
<cole-h> And trees
<srhb> cole-h: It adds a ton of filters
<cole-h> srhb: I might have to ask you how to use dfhack to find a prime location later (having just looked at the clock and realizing I should probably go to sleep as well).
<srhb> Sure. Sleep well :)
* cole-h creates a TODO to bother srhb when he next remembers
<cole-h> :P
<srhb> ;)
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<joepie91> <bqv> Politics and tech mixing is upsetting
<joepie91> tech is political, by nature, inherently. the only question is whether the politics in question are those that are currently dominant/assumed in society, or different ones
<joepie91> so it's not "politics and tech mixing", it's people going "hey I don't accept how tech is supporting the status quo and excluding me, and I am going to say something about that"
<joepie91> so to be blunt: what's upsetting here isn't mixing of politics and tech, it's non-status-quo political statements being made
<joepie91> and while it's understandable that one's first response to that is to become upset, it's also a good moment to ask "hey, wait a moment, why does this upset me, what is my position in society that I previously did not have to care about the political impact of infrastructure (and therefore that of tech)?"
<joepie91> aside: "antifa" is not "flagrantly radical leftist", it literally just means "anti-fascism"
<joepie91> and if being opposed to fascism is "radical leftist" now, we're in a much worse place as a society than I thought :P
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<eyJhb> Anyone here that does 3d printing, like parts etc?
<eyJhb> In need of a good program. Considered Blender, but not sure it fits well. Want to print a case, so I can get a RPi in my car
<cransom> it's a hobby
<eyJhb> cransom: any software you can recommend?
<cransom> fusion360 is a thing thats generally out there and free if you aren't making money off it. openscad is also a thing if you wanted the functional approach, code only type thing
<eyJhb> Code only kind of thing sounds nice, and should be fairly doable, when you have with parts
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<eyJhb> No fusion360 in Nix cransom ?
<cransom> no, it's windows/mac only. openscad is all platforms though.
<joepie91> cransom: Fusion 360 is free for 'students' only
<joepie91> though they don't look too closely
<joepie91> also don't bother with fusion360 under Linux
<eyJhb> Sounds like I need to do some openscad
<cransom> if you click around, there's license for hobbyists.
<joepie91> it will kinda sorta work with Proton and glitch out all the time
<joepie91> cransom: link?
<eyJhb> But yeah, I need something Linux friendly
<joepie91> eyJhb: if openscad works for your requirements, yes, go for it :)
<joepie91> the main constraint is that it's procedural, code-based and there is no visual interaction/modification
<joepie91> fine for highly parametric models, less for things with aesthetic purpose
<joepie91> there's also FreeCAD but it crashes when you sneeze
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<cransom> you can do design in blender, it's just not going to be easy to do dimenionsal/cad type things.
<joepie91> cransom: huh, thanks
<joepie91> "Individuals must be engaged in hobby businesses* or creating YouTube videos, blogs or other web content.**"
<joepie91> mmmm
<eyJhb> joepie91: well, currently my requirements are parts. And I think it will be most of the time. Anything art I would head for Blender I assume
<cransom> i see. that fine print was not there when i signed up.
<joepie91> eyJhb: sometimes parts need to be aesthetically pleasing :)
<cransom> the extent of my aesthetically pleasing is typically 'yep, put a fillet on it. great'
<eyJhb> joepie91: Even if I wanted to, I could not do that :p
<joepie91> lol
<eyJhb> Also, I have the parts around it, I just need some case that I can put into it
<eyJhb> Cannot find a image of it :(
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<eyJhb> This, so I just need to 3dprint something that can hold everything between the two sides in place. Which includes screem, rpi, power, etc.
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<joepie91> eyJhb: be aware that PLA is not great for long-term structural use
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<eyJhb> joepie91: lets see how long my car survives
<eyJhb> But worst case. I can print a new one. I am guessing we are talking 1 year basically?
<joepie91> eyJhb: knob I printed for the kitchen tap survived about 2 years
<joepie91> but that seems to have been relatively humidity-resistant PLA
<joepie91> given that it still printed fine after having the spool out in the open for 3 years
<joepie91> and my new spool of PLA from a different brand just... snapped... after a few weeks
<cransom> i used to print nothing but pla, but after i got an enclosed printer, basically everything is abs.
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<__monty__> Enclosed printer isn't enough is it? You need to get rid of the fumes altogether, no?
<joepie91> and you can print a new one, sure, but the question is more what the cost of structural failure is :)
<joepie91> __monty__: enclosure is for heat retention, not fume trapping
<cransom> i printed a piece in high temp pla that went in a sous vide machine. after 6 months or so, it was super brittle due to the frequent heat cycles
<__monty__> Ah, same concern still applies though. ABS fumes are pretty unhealthy, no?
<cransom> there's a fan with a carbon filter on the output to keep the chamber from getting too warm, but the fumes aren't really a factor.
<joepie91> __monty__: all 3D printing fumes are unhealthy, not just ABS :)
<joepie91> cransom: wait, was that for food purposes?
<__monty__> But there's gradations, right? PLA being a bio-plastic I assume its fumes are way less noxious?
<cransom> it was for the pump housing. food purposes yes, but said food was in a water bath inside a vacuum bag.
<joepie91> __monty__: I only know of one comparative study done so far, which basically said "it doesn't really matter"
<joepie91> cransom: that's still riskier than I'd advise :/
<joepie91> 3D-printed things are very much not food-safe, that applies doubly so for non-heat-resistant plastics like regular PLA
<cransom> that's a pretty deep level of paranoia. i think if that were the case, i wouldn't have a printer at all.
<joepie91> that's not paranoia, 3D-printing is just not food safe
<joepie91> at all
<joepie91> the main issue with food safety is little crevices in which things can get stuck and grow bacteria
<joepie91> an FDM print is basically entirely little crevices
<joepie91> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFtMIo00tfY goes into some detail on the topic IIRC
<cransom> i'm aware.
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<ashkitten> joepie91: isn't the issue with ABS that it's carcinogenic?
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<samueldr> is that only in california?
<ashkitten> i don't think so, it's pretty well known
<samueldr> (joke about that california prop warning)
<ashkitten> the fumes, that is. not the plastic itself
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<ashkitten> really interesting benchmark results, though obviously not conclusive
<bqv> 0 mention of construct...
<__monty__> Where are the results?
<__monty__> Oh, wow, I was looking at them >.<
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<__monty__> Uhm, how is conduit orders of magnitude faster? Incomplete?
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<ashkitten> iirc it's pretty complete wrt client-server api
<ashkitten> it doesn't do federation yet
<__monty__> Is that a big part of what causes the slowdown?
<ashkitten> no
<ashkitten> this benchmark is local only
<ashkitten> a big thing here is that conduit uses a key-value store not a relational database
<ashkitten> that would be my guess anyway
<__monty__> Does it give up on consistency?
<ashkitten> wdym?
<__monty__> The ACID principle.
<joepie91> bqv: I believe that was because it ran into trouble and could not complete the benchmark
<ashkitten> __monty__: https://github.com/spacejam/sled
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<bqv> That seems unlikely, in my experience its more stable and complete than the rest of these
<joepie91> I don't think they looked too closely into the exact failure reason
<joepie91> you should probably ping the author if you want to help them get the benchmark working :P
<joepie91> (quote is not from the benchmark author btw, but someone else who tried to get it to work)
<ashkitten> why is dendrite so slow would be my question, i guess
<ashkitten> i knew conduit was fast, but dendrite should be at least as fast as synapse?
<joepie91> that is a question that Dendrite devs have been pondering about for the past 2 days :)
<joepie91> (and looking into)
<ashkitten> heh
<ashkitten> also i guess a single benchmark run is not very useful for comparison since the margin of error is unknown
<vika_nezrimaya> ,help
<{^_^}> Use `,` to list all commands, `,foo = Foo!` to define foo as "Foo!", `,foo =` to undefine it, `,foo` to output "Foo!", `,foo somebody` to send "Foo!" to the nick somebody
<vika_nezrimaya> ,locate bin brightnessctl
<{^_^}> Found in packages: brightnessctl
<joepie91> ashkitten: nah, it wasn't a single run
<ashkitten> oh, good
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<joepie91> I just realized that the badge.team conference badges get firmware updates for longer than most smartphones, and I'm not sure how to feel about this
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<samueldr> joepie91: annoyed is probably right
<samueldr> frustrated also
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