gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<aleph-> Least I have this semi-informative article to help me with my omnia.
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<aleph-> And seems I'll go with the more sensible choice. Return it and get a small x64 box. Heh
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<JJJollyjim> i generally don't root for anyone in corporate slapfights, but given that epic's lawsuit isn't asking for damages or a special deal, only that the rules be changed for everyone, i can't help but see it as benevolent
<JJJollyjim> obviously it will help them, but it could help indie developers just as much if they succeed
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<JJJollyjim> I wish I could get a reasonably powerful arm machine
<JJJollyjim> I feel like the options are SBCs with basically smartphone hardware or 128-core rackmount servers i could never afford
<JJJollyjim> and apple is saying their silicon will have a locked bootloader -_-
<samueldr> [18:15:24] <samueldr> and conversely, showing that walled gardens are welcomed might be a precedent for "boot walls"
<samueldr> one of the hills I'm going to die on, making sure everyone can run whatever they want on the hardware _they_ own
<samueldr> it's plain ridiculous
<samueldr> sure, they don't have to make it easy for me to run something else than what they provide, but it should be *possible*
<samueldr> I don't expect any company to make drivers for an operating system they don't ship on the hardware they sell
<samueldr> (I almost wrote "their hardware"... it ISN'T)
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<bqv> heh, i think i've just solved two big problems at once
<bqv> the first being git secrets, and the second being how to host secrets in an ipfs repo
<bqv> now to make it elegant...
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<eyJhb> ALl the hardware manufactures
<eyJhb> Also, there is a line between that and also security
<crazazy[m]> is it just my matrix client or did a bunch of people leave matrix all at once?
<crazazy[m]> i mean this irc room
<eyJhb> crazazy[m]: a bunch did
<eyJhb> Or, that is the reconnect message
<crazazy[m]> also gomuks on windows is terrible apperently
<joepie91> looks like netsplit
<f0x> woo, matrix.org bridge stability :)
<eyJhb> Windows is generally terrible crazazy[m]
<crazazy[m]> but never have i had a program that deletes an entire word upon pressing backspace
<eyJhb> efficiency.
<joepie91> lol
<crazazy[m]> gomuks doesnt do this on linux
<eyJhb> bug on linux then. More efficency! \s
<eyJhb> :p Sounds terrible
<eyJhb> But it is written in Go, very readable
<joepie91> crazazy[m]: isn't that what android does
<crazazy[m]> mhm, but also its written in Go, so its designed to work on unix systems first
<eyJhb> Not really, Go STD works on everything pretty much
<eyJhb> It is up to the authors
<crazazy[m]> go on windows is a bit of an afterthought
<eyJhb> But again, why are you using windows crazazy[m] ?! Crazy person
<crazazy[m]> gaems
<eyJhb> Linux? :p
<eyJhb> Which game
<crazazy[m]> trackmania 2020 mostly
<crazazy[m]> hang on i cant click links in windows gomuks
<crazazy[m]> switching to riot brb
<crazazy[m]> das_j: nope thats trackmania turbo
<crazazy[m]> TM2020 is only available on EGS and uplay
<das_j> oof
<crazazy[m]> must give creds to uplay where its due though
<crazazy[m]> their download speeds are amazing
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<eyJhb> crazazy[m]: works on wine and lutris as well
<eyJhb> Get back
<eyJhb> I am just waiting for nvidia now to have a Linux client that works
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<bqv> lol. nvidia, linux, and works, in the same sentence.
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<bqv> Its nice to see flakes gaining so much use. Its gone from 1 or 2 people using them, to every second question in #nixos
<__monty__> I've lost excitement tbh. Some people say IFD deserved closer consideration.
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<bqv> It doesn't excite me, its just nice to not be the only one
<bqv> IFD would excite me but that seems dead in the water
<srhb> Maybe once flakes isn't the new and interesting thing, people will get back to things like IFD-like things, which is a lot of bang for your buck.
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<Church-> I still need to investigate flakes
<Church-> One day.
<Valodim> their usability is still pretty limited, sadly :\
<Valodim> I mean it *works*, but everytime I worked with them I stubbed my toe on something every so often
<__monty__> Is that because of a design flaw, the UX isn't ready yet or because of inherent difficulties covered which you'd sweep under the rug otherwise?
<Valodim> I don't think it's a conceptual thing
<Valodim> might just be friction because some nix commands work differently now
<bqv> god damn
<bqv> the day after tomorrow is a good movie
<bqv> i'm not even half an hour in, and i already love this
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<ashkitten> oh cool, the rust team is forming a rust foundation in light of the mozilla layoffs
<ashkitten> they already operate pretty independently from mozilla but they didnt have a financial entity of their own
<__monty__> Cool
<Church-> Yep
<ashkitten> does firefox operate independently at all?
<joepie91> not that I know of
<cransom> not that i remember. firefox was funded by moco/mozilla corporation.
<ashkitten> rust is funded by mozilla too
<ashkitten> but they're independent
<ashkitten> mozilla just provides developers and resources
<ashkitten> i don't think firefox is like that though
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<bqv> anyone fancy forking firefox?
<ashkitten> theres already forks
<ashkitten> multiple
<bqv> any worth their salt?
<ashkitten> shrug
<ashkitten> dunno
<elvishjerricco> Huh. Stuff like firefox can be started in systemd user services. Wonder if there's any good reason to do that...
<Church-> bqv: None really
<bqv> elvishjerricco: i start emacs as a user service, but that's pretty common. i'd kinda like to start nyxt as one too, maybe i will soon
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<philipp[m]> Can anybody tell me what's up with nixops? I see that the version in the repository has been increased to 2.0 for quite some time but there is no tag and no official release.
<JJJollyjim> Yeah, 2.0 hasn't been released yet
<{^_^}> nixops#1242 (by grahamc, 24 weeks ago, open): Release 2.0
<philipp[m]> Oh, wow but it seems to be in the very final stages! Exciting stuff!
<JJJollyjim> woah nyxt looks neat
<JJJollyjim> is it a custom engine written in lisp?
<bqv> that's everyone's reaction, but i seem to be the only person crazy enough to use it
<JJJollyjim> oh i see a webkit reference
<bqv> it's webkitgtk
<JJJollyjim> sweet
<bqv> of course, half the stuff like drm-protected content and weirdly codec'd videos doesn't work
<bqv> my solution to youtube and twitch at least has been to configure it to just open them in mpv
<JJJollyjim> neat
<JJJollyjim> ugh it turns out rebuilding all of qt and plasma is slow
<JJJollyjim> giv moar cores pls
<bqv> hope you don't have to rebuild webkitgtk then
<JJJollyjim> well something called qtwebengine has been building for half an hour
<JJJollyjim> so i might be in about the same boat lol
<bqv> yikes
<bqv> that one's worse, iirc
<joepie91> isn't that a chromiclone too, nowadays
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<JJJollyjim> oh jeez hydra says it takes 5 hours
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<bqv> yeah that was the "yikes"
<JJJollyjim> `Generating wobblywindowsconfig.h`
<JJJollyjim> this is why i use kde
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<JJJollyjim> lol 4 layers of recursive make, then a ninja somehow...
<JJJollyjim> oh wtf it finished
<JJJollyjim> i guess it's not as big as a chromium build
<JJJollyjim> *slow
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<bqv> ninjas and recursive makes... that'd probably make a great naruto episode
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<infinisil> I'm continually surprised by how often people don't know about the option listings: https://www.reddit.com/r/NixOS/comments/icbj3u/how_to_discover_nixos_config_options/
<infinisil> Quite possibly our manuals don't really mention the option listings well enough
<bqv> I use the manpage these days, mostly
<bqv> Its crazy long though
<bqv> Breaks emacs
<bqv> Internet explorer is being killed off, this week next year
<cole-h> colemickens: o/ Same to you. Been working hard at my PT job -- mostly late hours, which is why I haven't been around much :P
<cole-h> (302'd from #nixos)
<bqv> It's coles all the way down
<colemickens> cole-h: oh okay, well, I hope that's going well, and hopefully you get to enjoy some summer too if that's your thing :P
<colemickens> coleqv: you're next
<bqv> Heh
<bqv> Hut, that's a thing I miss from matrix… per-room names
<cole-h> colemickens: I'm not really a summer guy, but I have certainly been "enjoying it" (due to being outside pushing carts for n hours a day)
<bqv> I'd have /nick'd, but I'm everywhere
<drakonis> submissions are enabled on nixos subreddit?
<drakonis> ah, domen is a mod now
<cole-h> colemickens: It pays real well, so I'm not really complaining. Though I'm still a seasonal employee, and school is coming up, so we'll see if they want to keep me around :P
<cole-h> (Real well for a part-time, that is.)
<colemickens> drakonis: rip domen
<infinisil> drakonis: Huh which one?
<infinisil> I don't see any domen as a mod of /r/nixos
<colemickens> cole-h: cool, cool, make that money
<drakonis> ielectric
<colemickens> cole-h: have a nixos project you're excited to get back to ?
<cole-h> colemickens: I want to really switch to flakes eventually -- and not just `nix.package = nixFlakes;` lol
<colemickens> cole-h: I had a hunch!
<cole-h> colemickens: Aside from that, I need to get back to passrs and I want to make a 0.1 release eventually.
<infinisil> drakonis: That's domen kozar?
<infinisil> Or another domen?
<drakonis> domen kozar
<drakonis> yes
<colemickens> cole-h: cool
<cole-h> (Though samu*ldr doesn't name explicitly, it would make sense)
<colemickens> cole-h: I just sprinted through a small rust project and remembered how much I enjoy working in Rust.
<colemickens> (well, a couple actually, with plans for more.)
<infinisil> cole-h: Oh yeah, post history checks out
<cole-h> colemickens: Right? :P I honestly love Rust. I understand some people don't like that it doesn't have a spec and/or a stable ABI, but that doesn't really affect me atm
<infinisil> Kind of wouldn't expect domen to be an iElectric kind of nick :P
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