<aanderse>
adisbladis: are you going to be writing any more nixops plugins in the coming future? specifically new targets
<drakonis>
its sadly not a poetry consumer
<drakonis>
its a pipenv consumer that i want
<gchristensen>
adisbladis: may I suggest putting the great story in the commit?
<adisbladis>
drakonis: I started out hacking on that but gave up because pipenv is honestly a piece of ... (we dont use that language in #nix* channels)
<adisbladis>
Haha why not
<adisbladis>
gchristensen: Done :)
<gchristensen>
cool :)
<gchristensen>
no sense stranding that in GitHub
<gchristensen>
I guess I should test it before I approve it =)
<adisbladis>
Oh! I should publish the repro too
<gchristensen>
also python -> snake -> dragon ... good stuff.
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<aanderse>
so the province i live in just announced they are closing all grade schools for 3 weeks
<aanderse>
do you live northern part of the province or something? sounds horrible :S
<samueldr>
and for the record, no, people don't usually go panic shopping for a bit of sleet and snow
<samueldr>
aanderse: no, the weather is just not like what you get in ontario
<samueldr>
that's usual~ish weather, but a bit warmer than usual
<samueldr>
we can expect winter storms up until mid april
<samueldr>
but those are not usual, simply not unexpected
<samueldr>
though, if you look at a map, we *are* more northern than you, but being a bit more up north is not the only reason, weather patterns are hard
<aanderse>
no wonder i've only visited quebec in summer since i was like... 10
<samueldr>
monteral weather is likely closer to ottawa weather, though toronto is AFAIUI much warmer
<cole-h>
colemickens: Yeah, I get the heebie-jeebies whenever I look at the nixpkgs log :P
<cole-h>
Also makes it a PITA to revert, etc
<monsieurp>
hang on a second isn't $1.5 trillion the amount of all student load debts in the US?
<cole-h>
Yeah, but who cares about them
<monsieurp>
sure
<cole-h>
(jk I don't actually know)
<colemickens>
monsieurp: there's a lot of questions like that that hurt deeply to think about. and as an american, knowing that no matter what we go through, it's unlikely to matter.
<monsieurp>
the US gov is really fucking over US citizens
<monsieurp>
unbelievable
<cole-h>
Does anybody else agonize over even the most trivial PRs before submitting them? Re-reading the commit message, the accompanying commentary, the actual changes, over and over and over again before hitting that big, green button?
<colemickens>
monsieurp reports are the CDC tested zero people yesterday.
<monsieurp>
colemickens: the US financial sector always manage to get bankrolled when the shit hits the fan yet the average Joe never does
<cole-h>
Why would they? Just pray the illness away
<colemickens>
it's actually hard for me to think about the number of extremely bad factors that are going to align in the coming weeks
<colemickens>
monsieurp oil companies, farmers, most banks, most of corporate America only exist in their current form because of corporate welfare
<cole-h>
monsieurp: Well, which one of those makes the most money? Joe Shmoe, or The Big Cheese?
<monsieurp>
Trump is gonna get re-elected
<monsieurp>
he's creating the perfect environment (shitstorm) for it to happen
<colemickens>
I think we (almost?) always re-elect presidents during war-times.
<colemickens>
And so far Republicans still won't vocally criticize him
<cole-h>
monsieurp: What if he becomes otherwise incapacitated because of corona?
<qyliss>
cole-h: some of them have been recently
<monsieurp>
cole-h: I don't believe it a second
<qyliss>
colemickens, sorry
<cole-h>
Weekend at Bernie's time
<cole-h>
qyliss: :D
<qyliss>
Some Republicans were criticizing Trump for the tiny number of covid tests
<cole-h>
qyliss: Weren't you going to sleep? 🤔
<qyliss>
I really should
<qyliss>
It's 06:30 and I need to be up at 12
<colemickens>
cole-h: he's actually violating his own HHS's recommendations. He HAS been exposed to people recently that have tested possible.
* colemickens
oof okay, I need to watch my tongue.
<colemickens>
anyway, I am going to stop, I want to be a god nix-izen
* cole-h
bows down to god nix-izen colemickens 🙇
<cole-h>
;^)
* colemickens
has been so distracted today
<colemickens>
Do we have other seattle-ites here?
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<eyJhb>
colemickens: Thought you were going to bed :%
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<eyJhb>
Just reading Emacs shortcuts for e.g. go-mode.el hurts my fingers..
<etu>
eyJhb: If you're more used to vim-style there's evil mode
<etu>
eyJhb: And everything in emacs can be changed.
<eyJhb>
etu: but changing things usually requires time.. :p
<eyJhb>
Currently the thing that annoys me the most, if suddenly broken vim-go, and no language server/autocompletion etc.
<etu>
eyJhb: spacemacs provides a lot of defaults for evil-mode
<etu>
eyJhb: if you just want something more "pre-made"
<eyJhb>
I really should consider it
<eyJhb>
Currently I am annoying that I have no clue, why NixOS is using a older version of vim-go, even when I have tried to override it to use the version from unstable..
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<steveeJ>
I'm really pleased with the upgrade experience to 20.03!
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<colemickens>
me? I didn't say that? I have terrible sleep hygiene
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<eyJhb>
colemickens: so randomly sleeping in the day?
<ldlework>
eyJhb: give an example of a keybind that hurts
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<pie_[bnc]>
ldlework: all of them
<ldlework>
like what
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<eyJhb>
ldlework: everything that forces me to hit ctrl repeatly
<eyJhb>
But basically, everything. But it might also be delay of my keyboard.. I should really fix my layers
<ldlework>
eyJhb: make it easier to hit ctrl
<ldlework>
when emacs was invented, keyboards were layed out differently
<etu>
eyJhb: map caps lock to be control is a good start
<ldlework>
it's an extra step, but it's just how it be
<eyJhb>
Already have it mapped to something else, caps lock, but I still feel like it would hurt
<ldlework>
i recommend putting ctrl back where it was, rather than caplock. but it's personal preference
<etu>
eyJhb: caps lock is a worthless key in a really good position anyways
<eyJhb>
I would need to remap it on both sides of my keyboard to reduce strain...
<ldlework>
[ctrl][ space ][alt]
<ldlework>
this is how I do it
<ldlework>
now I can use both major modifiers without moving my hands from normal typing position
<eyJhb>
ldlework: were ? That seems somewhat normal??
<eyJhb>
If we talk buttom bar
<ldlework>
eyJhb: most people have [alt] on both sides
<eyJhb>
etu: where is your emacs config?
<ldlework>
I actually do [hyper][ctrl][ space ][alt][super]
<eyJhb>
Ohh, I see
<ldlework>
I use hyper for my tiling window manager, and super for a completely open personal emacs prefix
<eyJhb>
BUt that wouldn't work well for me, since I have a ergodox-ez keyboard
<eyJhb>
So it would be something else
<ldlework>
I use capslock to open my entrypoint Hydra in emacs
<eyJhb>
etu: but I really enjoy the ability to type spaces and stuff :p
<eyJhb>
Left of spc etu ?
<ldlework>
I think by default they are the arrow keys
<etu>
eyJhb: Return
<__monty__>
eyJhb: It's also worth trying out a different layout. Dvorak really reduced strain for me. People say similar stuff about Colemak if that's too exotic for you.
<ldlework>
with capslock as a return, you have to change how your left hands press all keys on the left side of the keyboard
<eyJhb>
I have considered dvorak for a while as well
<ldlework>
like ctrl-a, you're no longer hitting 'a' with your pinky
<etu>
eyJhb: I never liked the default ergodox thumb clusters
<eyJhb>
But I hate not having a DK dvorak layout :(
<eyJhb>
I enjoy them sooo much. Not the small buttons, only the big ones
<etu>
Note SLCK is scroll lock, and I have that mapped to Compose in my OS :)
<__monty__>
First thing to do when you're running into strain injuries is to reduce what's causing it btw. Don't make some changes and then keep the overuse going.
<etu>
I've noticed that I type english noticably faster since I've switched from swedish dvorak to us-dvorak. Because many special chars are in better locations.
<eyJhb>
etu: Just wondering about what modifier you use to hit e.g. @ and "
<ldlework>
I really can't advocate for thumb modifiers enough to reduce emacs strain problems.
<etu>
eyJhb: Shift?
<eyJhb>
eyJhb: and alt?
<eyJhb>
altgr?
<__monty__>
eyJhb: Nah, dvorak doesn't use altgr.
<etu>
eyJhb: No, altgr is just an oddity in nordic layouts I think
<etu>
__monty__: Swedish dvorak does
<eyJhb>
ldlework: Yeah.. Considering if I could remove the two outer keys in the thumb cluster, and replace with a single big one
<__monty__>
Well that's not dvorak now is it : p
<__monty__>
If you chat and program a lot I wouldn't bother with a regional layout tbh.
<etu>
I'm a bit slower at typing Swedish text with compose. But yeah...
<ldlework>
eyJhb: use the central most keys on the bottom most row of your Ergodox
<etu>
There's also dvorak-intl that gives some extra nice things for regional things
<ldlework>
eyJhb: pretend for a second and try some emacs navigation stuff, like C-f C-b and C-n and C-p
<ldlework>
etc
<ldlework>
eyJhb: imagine you have M- on the right hand side
<ldlework>
i think this will make one a faster emacs user in general, as you can interleve commands and typing fluently
<ldlework>
i think this was the whole point, and the distinction from modal editing
<ldlework>
personal opinion here
<eyJhb>
ldlework: I need a arrow, quite confused by central most keys on the bottom most row
<ldlework>
why do you need arrows?
<eyJhb>
Because I am quite confused to where you mean on the keyboard :p
<ldlework>
right arrow should be ctrl on the left hand
<eyJhb>
Oh, those
<ldlework>
left arrow should be mod on the right hand
<ldlework>
[<-][->] / [<-][->]
<ldlework>
change this to
<ldlework>
[hyper][ctrl] / [mod][super]
<eyJhb>
Would you use your thumb for those keys?
<ldlework>
yes
<eyJhb>
I might need to get used to that, currently that hurts my hands
<ldlework>
:O
<ldlework>
eyJhb: if you have a "normal" keyboard, it's more comfortable there, the ergodox's are a bit tighter so it's more of a claw than just a curl of the thumb
<etu>
I'd put my arrow keys there... mostly because I didn't know what else to put there.
<eyJhb>
I should really consider putting some time into this
<ldlework>
[ctrl][ space ][mod]
<etu>
I hardly ever use them because C-b, C-p, C-n, C-f
<ldlework>
indeed
<ldlework>
i don't actually use my ergodox anymore
<ldlework>
thumb clusters a bit too far, the bottom row just slightly too cramped
<ldlework>
i just use my normal keyboard as i described now
<ldlework>
poor ergodox in a box somewhere :(
<eyJhb>
I can't really use anything else but my ergodox-ez, else my hands hurt..
<ldlework>
eyJhb: central modifiers changed my life
<etu>
eyJhb: same for me:)
<etu>
eyJhb: my ergodoxes saved my life
<ldlework>
I wish I had slightly bigger hands to find comfort in using the thumb clusters as modifiers
<ldlework>
customizing it was so fun
<eyJhb>
I feel like most would have big enough hands for that, but I might not be considering everything here
<eyJhb>
So currently the POA is... 1. Change to dvorak 2. Optimise this layout 3. Emacs 4. ?? 5. Profit
<eyJhb>
`error: assertion failed at /nix/store/l52irfh18r1qwb4wklk9q70y4cvyjyq3-nixos-19.09/nixos/pkgs/misc/vim-plugins/vim-utils.nix:261:10`
<eyJhb>
Which annoys me sooo much
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<LnL>
vam isn't really maintained AFAIK, the vim8 plugin system is much nicer
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<eyJhb>
LnL: does `vimrcConfig.packages.myVimPackage = with pkgs.vimPlugins; {` myVimPackage even make any difference?
<eyJhb>
LEts see if this works
<LnL>
not sure what you're asking
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<eyJhb>
Is `myVimPackage` just a random placeholder ?
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<eyJhb>
Btw. how can I include what you sent LnL ?
<LnL>
it's an overlay
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<eyJhb>
LnL: still not super good with those, b ut I think I have it working soon
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<LnL>
same principle works in other expressions, just replace super/self with pkgs
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<eyJhb>
Importing it in my main, using it in my pkgs as neovim, but I get this error `error: undefined variable 'pytest-vim-compiler' at /etc/nixos/hosts/eos/neovim2.nix:21:71` using - https://termbin.com/lge4
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<eyJhb>
Sorry for all the questions LnL , I really appreciate your help!
<LnL>
no it replaces vimPlugins with { vim-go = ... };
<eyJhb>
Well, that explains ALL my trouble then...
<LnL>
assuming this is nixos you can use this
<LnL>
nix repl '<nixos/nixos>'
<LnL>
builtins.attrNames pkgs.vimPlugins
<LnL>
yeah probably :)
<eyJhb>
... I should really learn Nix... :/
<eyJhb>
I might have another problem LnL , when I try to override vim-go using https://termbin.com/aua0, ig doesn't seem to use the new version, or even download it?
<LnL>
did you change the sha?
<__monty__>
I wish we had a silly quotes bot in this channel.
<cole-h>
,silly
<cole-h>
infinisil: Get on it
<eyJhb>
Nope, thanks LnL :) Lets see if I can get it to work then. Not sure it even loads
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<infinisil>
> fortune
<{^_^}>
"The whole world is a tuxedo and you are a pair of brown shoes. -- George Gobel"
<infinisil>
cole-h: __monty__: Good enough? :)
<cole-h>
> fortune
<{^_^}>
"Your love life will be... interesting."
<cole-h>
👀
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<cole-h>
colemickens: ping
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<lovesegfault>
are old intel cpus even usable anymore
<joepie91>
I feel like we're rapidly headed towards "anyone with an Intel CPU wirh workable performance, either hasn't patched it, or is lying about having patched it"
<joepie91>
with*
<drakonis>
jesus christ
<drakonis>
GOOD JOB INTEL
<drakonis>
i'm just going to disable all mitigations
<drakonis>
jesus christ.
<lovesegfault>
I have all mitigations off on my servers
<manveru>
does nixos run on RISC-V now?
<gchristensen>
if someone makes a cross x86_64 -> RISC-V build, and sends me a RISC-V box, we'll put it in Hydra.
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<joepie91>
Voatz, that software from the ~blockchain voting pilot~ in the US, turns out to be - as expected - full of holes
<joepie91>
and essentially a paperweight as far as security is concerned
<joepie91>
(unfortunately, this was actually used in elections)
<__monty__>
Hmm, I thought LVI wasn't specific to intel?
<__monty__>
That's some extreme "fake it till you make it" there.
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<manveru>
i'm missing the blockchain part...
<joepie91>
manveru: it's not actually a blockchain
<manveru>
would've surprised me :)
<joepie91>
just a bunch of cloudycloud servers (AWS and Azure I believe) glued together with Hyperledger, IBM's off-the-shelf "pretend you have a blockchain" product
<joepie91>
ie. database with extra complexity
<joepie91>
most of the things claiming "blockchain" are just Hyperledger
<manveru>
buzzwords ftw
<lovesegfault>
gchristensen: We should talk to sifive
<lovesegfault>
gchristensen: they are the main RISC-V company and are like 500m away from me
<gchristensen>
lovesegfault: please, get me in touch? :)
<drakonis>
so its true, xkcd has strips for everything
<joepie91>
drakonis: yeaaaahhhh - I've been the "whatever they sold you, don't touch it" person a few times (though not on TV)
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<__monty__>
joepie91: Hyperledger isn't a blockchain, whaaaat?
<joepie91>
__monty__: it's what people like to call a "permissioned blockchain", ie. a distributed database with centralized control, ie. not a blockchain
<joepie91>
(caution: I have negative bandwidth available atm, so I'm not going to engage in a discussion about the specifics of what makes something a blockchain)
<__monty__>
So it's not "blockchain but we get to decide on the consensus chain?"
<flokli>
can we just call it database? kthxbye. :-D
<adisbladis>
Zero Knowledge Proofs ************, do you speak it!?
<adisbladis>
Not saying it's easy or anything, just that there _are_ solutions
<joepie91>
adisbladis: in my experience, the venn diagram between "people who peddle blockchains for social problems" and "people who don't understand basic concepts of cryptography and security" is a circle :)
<joepie91>
nothing in that thread surprises me
<adisbladis>
joepie91: I used to work in that space.. (blockchains)
<joepie91>
actually I might have predicted all of those points back when I was ranting about Voatz on Twitter
<adisbladis>
The shit these eyes have seen....
<joepie91>
because this is how this blockchain nonsense always ends up going...
<__monty__>
But voting through intentional forking and observing which fork achieves consensus sounds so cool!
<eyJhb>
LnL: did you use CoC yourself
<eyJhb>
?*
<LnL>
no, but I think I tried it out once
<eyJhb>
So what do you use atm? YCM?
<eyJhb>
Oh no, sorry. You showed me
<eyJhb>
Cannot get coc to work at all, no clue why.. Maybe some other time
<LnL>
I pretty much use ale's lsp feature for all completion now
<joepie91>
adisbladis: oh dear
<MichaelRaskin>
joepie91: I think there are people who peddle blockchain and understand basic cryptography but pretend that there is no game theory involved then get surprised by small-blockchain 51% attacks using rented servers
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<ashkitten>
anyone have experience using an nvidia gpu alongside an amd one (for cuda only)?
<joepie91>
that sounds like twice the driver issues, none of the fun :P
<joepie91>
(but no experience)
<ashkitten>
haha yeah
<ashkitten>
i'm going to be replacing my main gpu with an amd one but i figured i can keep the nvidia one for blender stuff
<ashkitten>
supposedly blender can use 2 gpus at once
<ashkitten>
i just don't want to waste it, yk?
<ashkitten>
a 1060 is still a pretty damn good gpu
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<eyJhb>
Well time to debug coc-go and make it work...
<colemickens>
lovesegfault: pong
<cole-h>
colemickens: Curious if you know why in both nixpkgs and -wayland, we disable systemd for waybar?
<colemickens>
likely because one of us copied the pkg def from the other.
<colemickens>
not sure if there's a reason beyond that tbh
<colemickens>
does it work withotu disabling it?
<cole-h>
Dunno, was just curious. I think all it does is create a unit for the bar
<infinisil>
I'd think there is like a "main thing" in the virus that does the bad thing. And mutations can either change it (in which case it's probably not bad anymore), or change something else (in which case it's still bad). A vaccine would probably be made to work with that specific main thing
<infinisil>
(I have no idea about this topic, this is just a guess)
<__monty__>
Guess I assumed the big groups were significantly mutated.
<gchristensen>
(drop the a from the end of the url)
<gchristensen>
very cool, ldlework!
<ldlework>
oops!
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<colemickens>
Thunderbird is the single crashiest piece of software I've used in a decade or more.
* colemickens
was warned
<joepie91>
colemickens: might I suggest trying FreeCAD for the approximately 10 minutes it takes to decide that it is literally unusable after crashing 3 times in that timespan?
<joepie91>
(which was approximately my experience with it)
<colemickens>
between fumbling around a 3d editor and having it crash on me... sounds fun
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<cole-h>
lovesegfault: Finally made the switch to having my wayland stuff managed by Nix/HM, inspired by your config
<lovesegfault>
cole-h: Woohoo!
<cole-h>
Only problem is the GL issues on non-NixOS systems -- the sway service doesn't work, but `nixGLIntel sway` does lol
<lovesegfault>
:D
<cole-h>
Even if I set the environment to almost exactly what `nixGLIntel` does, unit refuses to start, but w/e
<lovesegfault>
are you doing the import-environment
<cole-h>
o
<cole-h>
brb let's see if that makes a difference :D
<cole-h>
(btw I was setting the GL env directly in the unit, not exporting it)
<ashkitten>
does nix use glvnd by default?
<cole-h>
lovesegfault++ holy shit that was it
<{^_^}>
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<lovesegfault>
:D
<cole-h>
Now let's see if it actually needs the GL env vars set (probably does, but doesn't hurt to check)
<cole-h>
Yep, it's required lol
<joepie91>
colemickens: it's annoying because FreeCAD more or less has all the functionality that one might need from a CAD software, including parametric sketches, but... it is so unstable and user-unfriendly that it's something you dread having to work with
<joepie91>
it's like the GIMP, but even worse, and crashing all the time
<lovesegfault>
GIMP is pretty nice nowadays, actually
<ashkitten>
i don't think that's true
<ashkitten>
i've used it (and now glimpse) for years and i can use it just fine but my friends can't
<adisbladis>
cole-h: Do what I've done on !nixos before, wrap your entire session in nixGL :P
<cole-h>
lmao
<cole-h>
Do you have a derivation for it handy, so I can reference it in my systemd unit?
<adisbladis>
cole-h: I don't think I have those expressions anymore...
<cole-h>
:(
<adisbladis>
It was a pretty simple hack using home-manager
<adisbladis>
I let home-manager manage the X session