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<ashkitten> gchristensen: i finally figured out where i want to put my sticker https://wheresmyass.net/s/KKFQF3AeCyCeBA5/preview
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<cole-h> infinisil: why does your bot keep pinging me? What is it thinking about? I'm scared https://paste.rs/sbL.jpg
<infinisil> Haha
<infinisil> I accidentally forgot to remove the code I used to mess with you some earlier time :P
<lovesegfault> eh
<lovesegfault> can I rollback to the oldest available gen?
<cole-h> infinisil: πŸ‘€β—
<gchristensen> ashkitten: nice!
<gchristensen> "in on it" "bankrupt" if they declared bankruptcy, I'd have lost all opportunity for payout :)
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: nice! can it be configured without much trouble on the CLI?
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: mostly, let me show you what I came up with
<lovesegfault> FAHClient --allow=0/0 --team=236565 --user=lovesegfault --web-allow=0/0 --command-allow-no-pass=0/0
<lovesegfault> Also, don't use the system unit IMO
<lovesegfault> just do the cli client in a tmux session
<gchristensen> let's see...
<lovesegfault> I'm bringing up another $60,000 server right now
<gchristensen> lmao
<gchristensen> gosh I miss having that stuff at fingertips
<flokli> gchristensen: how many cpu cores do ofborg and hydra have currently? ;-)
<gchristensen> a lot, but I can't play with them!
<flokli> but they're still at fingertips
<gchristensen> true
<gchristensen> :)
<flokli> but yeah, don't play with our precioussss build capacity
<flokli> speaking of, 19.09 rebuild incoming: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/82354
<{^_^}> #82354 (by flokli, 1 hour ago, open): [19.09] systemd: 243.3 -> 243.7
<gchristensen> wooo
<colemickens> Is the source of ofborg's cores/funding public information?
<gchristensen> ofborg is not extensive actually, and patreon.org/ofborg covers it. hydra.nixos.org is huge indeed, and packet.com gives a lot
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: what is FAHControl vs. FAHClient?
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: FAHClient is a cli that does the computing, FAHControl is a gui you don't need to run but it looks cool
<lovesegfault> screenshot incoming
<gchristensen> cool
<cole-h> flokli: Just curious why you changed the repo owner from how it appears on GH to lowercase. Does it matter?
<gchristensen> no head, so no need :)
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: https://i.postimg.cc/DnWYhJ5V/image.png
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: you can run FAHControl from another machine
<gchristensen> oh nice
<lovesegfault> that's what I have
<flokli> cole-h: good question.
<flokli> I didn't do it on purpose. Might be I was playing around with https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/80038, reverted things back, and typed in in lowercase.
<{^_^}> #80038 (by flokli, 3 weeks ago, open): systemd: improve our downstream patch situation
<flokli> But now it's in master and 20.03 anyways, so I don't see a reason to have it different on 19.09
<cole-h> flokli: πŸ‘ Doesn't really matter but was a weird diff to me :P
<flokli> cole-h: sorry about that
<flokli> it'll change to "systemd" very soon :-)
<cole-h> :DDDD
<cole-h> Thanks for your work on this. flokli++
<{^_^}> flokli's karma got increased to 7
<flokli> thanks. But it's not just me, also NinjaTrappeur and andi- :-)
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: what kind of system are you running on? :)
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: my laptop or the servers?
<gchristensen> the one that got you a lot of points https://stats.foldingathome.org/team/236565
<cole-h> NinjaTrappeur++, andi-++ as well then :^)
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<gchristensen> not bad :|
<cole-h> πŸ‘€
<lovesegfault> And the one I'm bringing up is a clone of that I think
<gchristensen> let me know if you want to accidentally lose one off a truck
<lovesegfault> :D
<cole-h> gchristensen: Wanna share if that happens? ;^)
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: this reminds me, I can no longer CI my aarch64 systems with the build box :(
<andi-> lovesegfault: how busy is the DC? :P
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: why so?
<lovesegfault> andi-: very busy :D
<lovesegfault> these are my secret machines though, andi
<lovesegfault> other teams can't even access them
<lovesegfault> unclear what changed
<gchristensen> m
<lovesegfault> > error: experimental Nix feature 'ca-references' is disabled
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected $undefined, expecting ')', at (string):288:33
<gchristensen> btw, were you going to send me a nixops PR? :)
<lovesegfault> Yes, soon, I'm trying to win at this internet cure points thing
<joepie91> today, I'm archiving shovelware discs: https://archive.org/details/@cover-disc
<gchristensen> okay but if you send me that PR, you'll get a 2x multiplier
<gchristensen> oh cool joepie91 :D
<lovesegfault> alright, brough up another server
<cole-h> lovesegfault: PR first, cure points later >:(
<joepie91> completed pile: 11
<joepie91> to-do pile:
<lovesegfault> alright, feuerbach is up!
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<lovesegfault> time to nixos
<lovesegfault> s/nixos/nixops/
<gchristensen> yay
<cole-h> joepie91: What even are those? Are those, like, flat USBs?
<cole-h> :P
<joepie91> lol
<joepie91> cole-h: yeah, with a special "read-only" feature!
<gchristensen> handy!
<cole-h> That actually got me when I was younger. "What do you mean I can't re-burn a CD?"
<cole-h> We had none of those fancy reburnable discs
<joepie91> but yeah, these are all magazine cover discs (ie. shovelware discs, ie. little time capsules) from the early 2000s
<joepie91> in surprisingly good condition
<joepie91> but definitely nearing the end of their projected lifespan
<joepie91> :P
<cole-h> joepie91++
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<lovesegfault> gchristensen: do you want me to:
<lovesegfault> 1. Write a GH actions yaml
<lovesegfault> 2. Write a Nix generator for the GH actions yaml
<lovesegfault> I usually do 2. because I rather write Nix than yaml
<joepie91> cole-h: also this queue was the result of someone literally shipping me a box of shovelware discs :D quite a few years ago, but never got around to it for personal reasons
<joepie91> now finally getting it sorted
<cole-h> Haha, nice
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: up to you, but if you go #2, make it part of the CI to validate that the one stored in the repo is up to date
<lovesegfault> πŸ€”
<joepie91> the disc scanning part is the most annoying, it's one of those processes that's just annoying enough for it to not be nice doing it by hand, but not quite annoying enough to spend the engineering effort automating it
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: hm?
<lovesegfault> I'm thinking how to do that
<joepie91> and it involves 4 pieces of software: gnome-simple-scan, xpdf (pdfimages), gthumb, and GIMP
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: usually update it, and diff
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<joepie91> cole-h: ^ original scan on the left, result on the right
<cole-h> joepie91: Ahhh, I was about to ask why the last 3 were necessary
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: y'all should pin your stuff with niv
<lovesegfault> cole-h: I got a title for that r13y blog post btw
<lovesegfault> it'll be called "Faking Flakes"
<cole-h> πŸ‘€
<joepie91> cole-h: so my libsane bindings are inexplicably broken, so I can't use my batch-scanning script, so I'm stuck using gnome-simple-scan (which has a workable batch scanning UI) but it produces PDFs rather than images, so I need to extract the raw scans with pdfimages, and then I use gthumb to crop and rotate (it has a fantastic rotate tool; draw a line parallel to a straight edge on the image, and it reorients the entire image around that
<joepie91> line), and then finally GIMP to fill up the new black spots after rotation and remove any other artifacts
<cole-h> lovesegfault: Why not "Fake Flakes"
<cole-h> joepie91: Wow, that is pretty involved
<lovesegfault> cole-h: it's a light reference to "trusting trust"
<cole-h> I can see why you only just now got around to it :P
<joepie91> cole-h: yeah, but none of those steps are involved *enough* to spend time automating the slightly-annoying-to-automate bits :P
<joepie91> such as object recognition, auto-rotate, etc.
<cole-h> lovesegfault: I've never heard that phrase before :D I do like the alliteration
<lovesegfault> cole-h: it's a famous paper on compilers
<joepie91> cole-h: so this is sitting in that annoying valley between manual work and automation where both options kinda suck for different reasons...
<cole-h> Oh man, academic papers. I'm really bad at reading those because the text is so tiny and close together :(
<lovesegfault> cole-h: and the very relevant Rusting Trust: https://manishearth.github.io/blog/2016/12/02/reflections-on-rusting-trust/
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: sort of on purpose aren't
<cole-h> The columns are what kill my reading comprehension x_x
<cole-h> joepie91: :^) Hang in there *inserts that cat picture*
<joepie91> will only work for arxiv papers though
<cole-h> πŸ‘€
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: done, now testing
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: this is how it's looking https://gist.github.com/bf4b90d1144c9cf1f7a660154e361f74
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<gchristensen> cool
<gchristensen> can these produce ... reports?
<cole-h> lovesegfault: is that... NIX_PATH I see being used?!
<lovesegfault> define reports
<lovesegfault> cole-h: it's for nixops!
<cole-h> 😱
* lovesegfault spits on NIX_PATH
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: like could I ask it to render some text in a nice easy to see way
<lovesegfault> yes, there is a way to do that
<lovesegfault> but I don't know that way
<gchristensen> on worries
<gchristensen> no*
<lovesegfault> making pr in a second
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: did you see the CI failure I posted earlier?
<gchristensen> briefly
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: PR incoming
<lovesegfault> and
<lovesegfault> done
<gchristensen> woo!
<lovesegfault> the only way to test is to merge it, sadly, as the project has no previous GH actions history
<lovesegfault> (at least I think that's how it works)
<gchristensen> hm
<lovesegfault> oh
<lovesegfault> it ran on my branch
<lovesegfault> nice
* lovesegfault fixes
<cole-h> gchristensen: nice lol
<lovesegfault> oh, derp
<cole-h> lovesegfault: https://paste.rs/Oja.jpg
<gchristensen> hm?
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<cole-h> (the close-reopen thing)
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: fixed
<gchristensen> cool
<cole-h> lovesegfault: See the discrepancy? :D
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<gchristensen> JSON is Yaml:)
<cole-h> WOT
<lovesegfault> yep
<cole-h> WOT
<lovesegfault> yaml is a superset of json
<lovesegfault> boom!
<cole-h> WTF
<cole-h> That's actually crazy and I'm kind of having a breakdown
<gchristensen> woo!
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: mypy is borked
<lovesegfault> but it's not my pr's fault, I don't think
* lovesegfault looks
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: s/nixos/nixops/
<cole-h> lovesegfault++, gchristensen++ https://youtu.be/-R4Tp8ls5lY?t=129 Me just now
<{^_^}> gchristensen's karma got increased to 227, lovesegfault's karma got increased to 21
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: derp
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: this is actually a nice chance to see if checkCI works
<lovesegfault> it works!
<gchristensen> woo!
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<lovesegfault> tadaa
<lovesegfault> complete
<gchristensen> can you delete the travis file?
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<lovesegfault> yep
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<lovesegfault> done
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<cole-h> gchristensen: https://paste.rs/AxG.jpg lmao
<gchristensen> :)
<joepie91> lol
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: can you help me write a job? :)
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: sure :)
<gchristensen> I want to check out the branch the PR is being merged in to, run mypy, the PR's head, run mypy, and then assert numbers got better: https://github.com/NixOS/nixops/pull/1250/files#diff-d2a010931777b26fbd97ad2750d75f04R17-R36
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: should just be a `mypyCov = mkJob[{ name = "MyPyCoverage"; run = "./tests/mypyratchet.sh" }];`?
<gchristensen> I was thinking that, then I saw the checkout action and thought maybe there was a better way
<gchristensen> I'll experiment :)
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: hrm, I'm not sure why it isn't running
<{^_^}> nixops#1250 (by grahamc, 6 hours ago, open): travis: experiment
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: I think you need to enable it for PRs too?
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: Ah, yes!
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: btw I'm going to replace the building-a-script-to-copy-the-output thing with just building the output, and an instruction to copy in to place
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: sounds good, no objections
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<lovesegfault> I think we killed f@h
<lovesegfault> zimbatm: ^
<lovesegfault> oh, it's back
<joepie91> 'killed' how?
<lovesegfault> joepie91: foldingathome.org was down :P
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<infinisil> TIL what happens when my server runs out of disk space
<infinisil> TIL what happens when my server runs out of disk space
<lovesegfault> infinisil: what happens?
<infinisil> Oh I sent that twice didn't I
<infinisil> My IRC bouncer stops working for one :)
<infinisil> And everything is super slow
<lovesegfault> infinisil: :D
<ldlework> hehe
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<lovesegfault> who is ohno?
<lovesegfault> and how are they catching up to me on f@h :(
<cole-h> Maybe one of your servers got lost off a truck, like gchristensen wanted? ;^)
* lovesegfault goes look
<lovesegfault> nope, still running :P
<lovesegfault> You know once me and a coworker hauled about $1MM worth of servers in a u-Haul across the bay area
<lovesegfault> it was my first day at work
<cole-h> Sounds like a stressful first day
<lovesegfault> yeah, I was terrified
<cole-h> Just one idiot away from an even more stressful day
<lovesegfault> cole-h: ping me in 5 second
<lovesegfault> s
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<cole-h> lovesegfault: oops
<lovesegfault> darn it my notifications are huge
<cole-h> :D
<lovesegfault> once andi- and gilligan learned that a message containing just an emoji on slack would create a HUGE notification on my desktop
<lovesegfault> they then proceeded to spam me lizards and eggplants
<cole-h> πŸ†?
<lovesegfault> yes
<lovesegfault> wait, ping me with an eggplant
<cole-h> lovesegfault: πŸ†?
<lovesegfault> again, I was too slow
<cole-h> lovesegfault: πŸ†?
<lovesegfault> lol
<lovesegfault> looks ridiculous
<lovesegfault> the weechat icon is HUGE
<cole-h> rofl
<cole-h> That thing is comically big
<lovesegfault> yeah
<monsieurp> shit hit the fan: Trump banned all travels to/from Europe for 30 days
<monsieurp> NICE
<colemickens> it's barely even started.
<ar> >security company >php >sql injection >2020
<ar> oh no
<ar> of course, the fix isn't to use prepared statements. no, that would be too obvious
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<etu> srhb: o/
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<srhb> etu: Hi!
<etu> srhb: How's denmark?
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<srhb> Shut down!
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<srhb> Well, soon.
<srhb> Most public workers will go off duty for 14 days come friday. We're working from home for now, waiting for further instructions.
<etu> I guess we're getting there soon as well
<srhb> etu: How about across the waters?
<etu> So far our prime minister have said: "We're standing close together" and that sounds like a bad idea :D
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<srhb> etu: Haha, we heard something similar. "Let's stand firm together... by... staying apart"
<srhb> Beautiful words.
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<Taneb> The whole thing's making me anxious
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<monsieurp> why?
<Taneb> I have multiple elderly relatives with various pre-existing conditions, my partner lives in north Italy, and I'm really not set up to self-isolate for two weeks if I need to
<monsieurp> influenza has been killing more people in the US in 6 months than the coronavirus
<Taneb> I'm not in the US
<monsieurp> Flu season is hitting its stride right now in the US. So far, the CDC has estimated (based on weekly influenza surveillance data) that at least 12,000 people have died from influenza between Oct. 1, 2019 through Feb. 1, 2020, and the number of deaths may be as high as 30,000.
<monsieurp> The CDC also estimates that up to 31 million Americans have caught the flu this season, with 210,000 to 370,000 flu sufferers hospitalized because of the virus.
<Taneb> And "You're more likely to die of another reason" isn't going to make me any less anxious
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<monsieurp> no reason to freak out if you're young and healthy (which you probably are since you're here on IRC and hacking on NixOS)
<monsieurp> if you're 80 yo+, well maybe it's time to think about writing down your will
<Taneb> Did you even read the message where I said why I'm freaking out?
<monsieurp> yes
<Taneb> Where did I mention my own health?
<monsieurp> nowhere
<monsieurp> that's why I'm making assumptions
<monsieurp> "if"
<Taneb> So, what good do you think reassuring me about my health is going to do?
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<pie_[bnc]> the problem is ncov has much higher mortality potential?
<monsieurp> versus what? influenza? car accidents?
<pie_[bnc]> well, i meant influenza but
<__monty__> monsieurp: Those influenza v. covid-19 stats are pretty useless. If anything you should look at the period the virus was present in the US, not several months before it hit. The other problem is that influenza was already present throughout the population.
<pie_[bnc]> __monty__: btw im quite intrigured by the implications of the latter half of that
<pie_[bnc]> s/quite/somehwat
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<pie_[bnc]> i dont really know how the dynamics of this works, but how long is a society going to have to maintain voluntary self quarantine to acquire sufficient herd immunity or something?
<Taneb> The idea with the quarantines is to slow down the infenctions enough that hospitals have the bed bandwidth to cope
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* etu is not that concerned, but I'm quite happy to work from home :D
<pie_[bnc]> Taneb: i know
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<pie_[bnc]> Taneb: im agreeing
<Taneb> So, it depends on the local hospitals, I guess
<monsieurp> __monty__: from a sanitary perspective, you might be right. however I'm more interested in how markets, and the general feeling across the population, react. so far, it's been only a total freak out. since I've already shown the official numbers of people dying from influenza in the US is much higher than Covid-19, why is there no freak out from the market about these numbers?
<monsieurp> weird, no?
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<pie_[bnc]> markets freak out because people freak out
* pie_[bnc] being galaxy brain: markets arent about value but perception of value
<pie_[bnc]> hot take: all the politicians are old people and they dont want to die of ncov
<__monty__> It's not weird imo. The rate of people dying's much higher.
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<pie_[bnc]> <x> The main difference to car crashes is that the number of car crashes isn't rising exponentially
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<eyJhb> srhb: Bilka was fun yesterday
<eyJhb> I felt sorry for the gal wanting to buy a single coffee.. There was 30 people before her
<adisbladis> Wtf
<adisbladis> Blue skies _and_ a hailstorm ?!
<__monty__> Last time I went to get pralines/chocolates as a gift the person before me ordered 2.5 *kg* of chocolates. Each of those chocolates has to be picked up and put in the box by hand, individually!
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<eyJhb> WEll, someone got arrested in DK for causing chaos at a supermarket
<eyJhb> ANother person wouldn't leave
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<srhb> eyJhb: sigh.
<eyJhb> The joys srhb :D
<srhb> I'm glad I don't absolutely have to go get groceries for a reasonable period of time.
<eyJhb> Same, I just enjoyed the chaos yesterday at Bilka
<eyJhb> Also, we just bought 5 kg of rice sunday. Not because of the coronavirus crisis, just because we eat a lot of rice.. :p
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<eyJhb> But I would assume CPH is going crazy?
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<srhb> It certainly seems like it. I hope it passes quickly. It make absolutely no sense, there's plenty of groceries :P
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<eyJhb> But what if I want ALL the toiletpaper? :p
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<adisbladis> eyJhb: That's just shitty behaviour
<eyJhb> adisbladis: but some people do.They have started to say one pack of toiletpaper pr. customer
<adisbladis> eyJhb: It was an attempt of a joke ^_^
<eyJhb> Ohh, didn't notice. To busy petting the cat :p Sorry
<eyJhb> Some people are also hoarding cat food
<adisbladis> Good excuse
<adisbladis> Acceptable
<eyJhb> And then there is me, with this little poop producer, who eats constantly
<eyJhb> Always a good excuse to use the cat!
<joepie91> summary of new COVID-19 measures in NL: https://twitter.com/joepie91/status/1238113139419484160
<joepie91> monsieurp: please read https://staythefuckhome.com/ regarding the "influenza kills more people, covid-19 isn't that dangerous" thing
<joepie91> (and the reason to worry about this if you're "young and healthy" is because you're going to infect people who aren't)
<eyJhb> Also, good practice for when something deadly comes along that will kill us all
<eyJhb> So far it would be nice with a restart
<eyJhb> joepie91: would be nice if the site was version controlled, would make translating it easier
<joepie91> eyJhb: not my site :P
<eyJhb> joepie91: takeover! :p
<joepie91> (in both interpretations of the phrase :P)
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<Taneb> joepie91: I'm going to share that staythefuckhome link, thank you
<joepie91> :)
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<cole-h> My CSU just moved spring break to next week and is holding the remainder of classes online 😭
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<eyJhb> cole-h: moved from when?
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<cole-h> eyJhb: 2 weeks (30 March -> 3 April)
<cole-h> And also my midterm for one of my CS classes is using "Lockdown Browser" which has no Linux client (only Windows and Mac)
<eyJhb> Sucks for them, guess they have to manually watch you then
<eyJhb> And seems idiotic to push the exams up
<drakonis> cole-h: VM that
<cole-h> Nah, CSU is semester, so it's actually being pushed back
<cole-h> drakonis: They detected my win10 VM ;d
<eyJhb> I don't care for malware on my computer, and especially not when they say I am responsible for my computer working
<eyJhb> F you I am not going to guarantee my computer works after I have installed your program
<cole-h> Yeah it's real cool. Sending the prof an email to see if it's possible to accomodate somehow.
<drakonis> shrink your partition and stick a windows in there
<cole-h> oof
<drakonis> too bad windows wants a 40gb partition
<gchristensen> I wonder how they detected it
<drakonis> otherwise it'll be low on space
<drakonis> hardware description
<samueldr> AFAIK detecting a VM is trivial
<cole-h> gchristensen: Maybe the "QEMU" manufacturer string gave it away :P
<drakonis> qemu has specific hardware labels you can detect
<drakonis> also that
<cole-h> Or the EDK BIOS
<gchristensen> hehe
<drakonis> i'm not sure whether the bios is detectable
<cole-h> Windows can certainly see it (dxdiag showed it)
<drakonis> hm
<eyJhb> We just say "I run Linux, therefore I cannot run this", and then they place a exam monitor behind you
<eyJhb> Watching your every move! But it is mostly old people, so they don't understand anything going on anyways
<samueldr> eyJhb: that's actually great
<eyJhb> I don't mind at all
<cole-h> Maybe wine works
<samueldr> it wouldn't have surprised me to see a "higher" learning establishment say "well you can't do the exam"
<eyJhb> samueldr: I think they would get into a shitstorm then
<cole-h> >tfw this professor actually likes Windows
<samueldr> I say that since *it happened*
<samueldr> [citation needed]
<samueldr> which is why your establishment doesn't need the scare quotes around "higher" :)
<pie_[bnc]> get something that bluepills the vm
<pie_[bnc]> xD
<pie_[bnc]> or idk
<eyJhb> 100% sure it has :p I just would not tollerate it. But still.. They use it as a guarantee when we are finished..
<eyJhb> But basically, my department is just silent about it. So they don't use it
<eyJhb> Easy as that :p
<cole-h> An email hath been sent
<eyJhb> cole-h: strongly worded??
<pie_[bnc]> can they legally prevent you from taking it
<cole-h> No, the thing is if I don't take it I probably fail the class lol
<cole-h> And the only clients they have are Windows and Mac
<cole-h> And their clients detect my Windows VM
<cole-h> And since we're online-only until the end of the semester, the final will likely be the same way
<eyJhb> But does the VM really matter?
<cole-h> How do you mean?
<cole-h> When I say "detect my VM" I mean they say "You cannot use this because you're inside of a VM"
<samueldr> some of those tools want to act as the worst rootkit to ensure you can't, like, open another window to look at notes or something
<samueldr> or use vnc so someone else takes the actual test
<cole-h> Yep
<monsieurp> joepie91: why is this domain registered in Panama?
<eyJhb> monsieurp: panamapapers
<eyJhb> samueldr: uhhhhh
<eyJhb> Will use that one
<cole-h> I've even read some stories about how they use a webcam to make sure you're not looking at notes or anything loool
<cole-h> Joke's on them, I don't have a webcam
<samueldr> that also
<pie_[bnc]> cole-h: i cant remember, i think me and my friend might have cracked this once https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuR3nZ7KPTQ
<samueldr> it's pretty terrible
<cole-h> pie_[bnc]: πŸ‘€
<cole-h> Except it's 11 years old now lol
<cole-h> Probably been patched
<eyJhb> Reminds me...
<samueldr> cole-h: even if you were able to work around it, I wouldn't
<pie_[bnc]> oh lol
<samueldr> it could somehow invalidate it
<eyJhb> A monitor program for our exams was written in Java. It took pictures every minute or so and uploaded it to their servers
<pie_[bnc]> i wonder if you can just say in an email f*** you i patched it and im running it in a vm
<cole-h> I'll just wait until he gets back to me and see what's what
<eyJhb> Decompile Java, replace screenshow with picture of giant male genitaliy that is a couple hundres MB, recompile, run it
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<pie_[bnc]> :D
<eyJhb> Enjoy looking at d***s
<pie_[bnc]> 10/10
<monsieurp> joepie91: btw https://staythefuckhome.com/legal/ ;)
<joepie91> monsieurp: what about it?
<joepie91> cole-h: like all DRM-esque things, the use of that crapware is symptomatic of a deeper issue of "trying to solve the wrong problem", of course... something something standardized testing
<cole-h> "Prevent cheating" lol
<cole-h> You can't force me to record myself when I don't have a webcam. And then I can just use my notes/phone to look shit up
<joepie91> :/
<joepie91> cole-h: yeah, but that's my point, having that problem means that your educational system is broken :)
<cole-h> Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
<joepie91> (which, of course, it is)
* joepie91 fosters a burning hate for standardized testing and memorization-based "education"
* eyJhb fosters a burning hate for tests.
<joepie91> eyJhb: the school kind or the software kind? :P
<cole-h> Yes
<cole-h> Good news! Got a fast response from the prof: "If any students can’t install Respondus, I will not use it for the test."
<drakonis> nice.
<cole-h> He's really good about this kind of thing; I'm glad
<joepie91> cole-h: nice!
<eyJhb> joepie91: why not both? :D
<joepie91> eyJhb: inclusive or is a valid answer :P
<joepie91> more seriously: I do think that "tests" as a concept in and of itself are useful in education... just a) not memorization-based, and b) as a tool to serve the student, not to serve the educational body
<joepie91> ie. they are useful for someone to get a handle on their own progress and capabilities, if they are designed around capabilities
<joepie91> and don't involve grading
<eyJhb> joepie91: you would hate the medical study then
<eyJhb> All memorised BS.
<eyJhb> Same for law
<cransom> spouse was talking about some midterm testing and the requirements were things like having an active webcam at all times, having to point it around the room before starting ... if needing a bio break, getting permission and then being timed.
<joepie91> eyJhb: quite possibly :)
<joepie91> eyJhb: but I also hate the primary + high school-level education system in general, because it is entirely based around this virtually everywhere
<cole-h> Yep. Most of my classes have been based around memorization. One of my other CS classes said our midterm was "open everything" except friends -- aka we could Google whatever
<cole-h> "Because that's what it's like in the real world"
<cole-h> Coolest prof I've ever had
<joepie91> cole-h: that's a much better approach :)
<joepie91> also, woo! finished cropping and rotating another batch of CD scans!
<cole-h> How many more to go?
<joepie91> cole-h: about 12cm of disks, so I think that translates to about 120 more discs?
<joepie91> this batch was 35 discs
<cole-h> How many have you gone through so far? That's a ton
<joepie91> well, cropping + rotating + imaging for those 35, still need to post-process the disc scans and upload them
<joepie91> I think I completely finished (scan + crop + rotate + image + postprocess + upload) like 11 discs yesterday?
<joepie91> cole-h: incomplete step-by-step of the process: https://imgur.com/a/7Ttuy1t
<joepie91> honestly most of the time is spent waiting for the various image editing applications to save the image, lol
<samueldr> that black disk on the bottom right in the last picture is kinda ironic
<cole-h> joepie91++ Cool stuff
<{^_^}> joepie91's karma got increased to 10
<joepie91> samueldr: heh. even more so when you realize that the purpose of the software was to... reorient your monitor display
<joepie91> function in portrait mode etc. :)
<samueldr> oh, and there I thught it was something about pivot tables or something not related to rotating displays/pictures
<joepie91> :P
<joepie91> I think I'm going to make a full log of the process
<joepie91> show all the steps
<cole-h> Do I smell a blog post? πŸ‘ƒ
<joepie91> cole-h: probably more just an imgur album, at least initially
<joepie91> might eventually turn it into a blogpost
<cole-h> πŸ‘ƒ
<joepie91> lol
<pie_[bnc]> but the blog post is just going to be an imgur album with some text
* joepie91 uploaded an image: cropped β€” Dolphin_739.png (573KB) < https://pixie.town/_matrix/media/r0/download/pixie.town/EFcsPiEwIuOuMGdpeGFckYrb >
<joepie91> a bunch of GIMP'ing later :P
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