gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<gchristensen> hrm, for some reason my system seems to be hitting quota problems all of a sudden
<gchristensen> cp: error writing '/nix/store/d31sm9m4z637hqn20dmyq2a5ih5i48y6-extra-utils/bin/zdb': Disk quota exceeded error: writing to file: Disk quota exceeded during a nix-build
<samueldr> time to send a nastygram to the sysadmin
<gchristensen> no kidding
<gchristensen> what a jerk that person must be
<gchristensen> but really, what a mystery -- I never turned on any quotas
<samueldr> could it be zfs doing something that ends up being quotas?
<samueldr> are you overprovisioned?
<gchristensen> not even zfs, / and /nix/store are ext4 on an SSD
<samueldr> oh
<samueldr> and /tmp?
<gchristensen> /tmp is just a directory on the disk
<gchristensen> I suppose I'll reboot and see what happens :P
<gchristensen> this system would be easier to admin if / was erased on each boot =)
<gchristensen> wtf
<gchristensen> d'oh
<gchristensen> I found the problem
<iceypoi> for the reference, what was your problem?
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<gchristensen> the machine running the build (no obvious zfs or disk problem) was not the machine doing the building :)
<iceypoi> fair enough, lol
<gchristensen> the one doing the build had 0 bytes free on /nix
<iceypoi> the 0 bytes free thing is probably somewhat sub-optimal for various things :P
<gchristensen> :D
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<gchristensen> a nearby fire department is metaphorically on fire :x
<gchristensen> apparently responding so terribly to a fire they didn't get water on it for an hour... and bad enough that every nearby town canceled their mutual aid agreement
<gchristensen> which is a big deal since basically no fires here are handled exclusively by a single town's department
<cole-h> lovesegfault: re my "enable lingering" question last night: apparently Arch enables it globally (by disabling KillUserProcesses in logind.conf), so my problem isn't actually a problem
<cole-h> (as does NixOS)
<cole-h> brb
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<eyJhb> I love how our IT department is regarding giving out equipment. Cables -> No questions asked, Hardware -> Written down
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<manveru> time to build hardware out of cables :)
<dtz> how many cables in a hardware? :)
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<andi-> eyJhb: that probably depends on the value of the item. Cables below some value are just deducted from taxes instantly (here) and some kind of equipment might take multiple years.
<sphalerite> Does anyone know of a USB device that acts as a 1-port hub that can be controlled by software? i.e. you plug it into a host device and plug $something into that, then turn $something on and off from the host?
<sphalerite> I found http://smartusbhub.com/ which fulfils my requirements and then some, but it's significantly above my budget at US$325
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<averell> maybe a dumber usb-hub that needs external power with a wifi-power plug
<eyJhb> andi-: most cables doesn't matter :p Like, 5+ meters HDMI? Take it. USB 3.0 HUB, take it :p Also, most arduinos as well
<eyJhb> manveru: yay!
<eyJhb> Considering the pros/cons of heading to the beach to view the sunset + some remote programming (just away from my desk)
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<gchristensen> ditch the laptop and go to the beach
<eyJhb> That is also a possibility, I just enjoy sitting in the back of my car, sets moved forward and just enjoying the view + coding some little nifty things!
<eyJhb> Also, coding in weird places is some kind of "hobby" now, even if IKEA didn't like it
<eyJhb> gchristensen: how far away is the beach from you?
<gchristensen> I used to live 30-45min away from Cape Canaveral's Playalinda beach, which spoiled me enough to say that the beach is however long it takes me to get there
<gchristensen> but I could get to the ocean in like 3h
<eyJhb> That sounds quite lovely! It is also a 30-45 min drive for me to the nearest beach/ocean.
<gchristensen> nice
<eyJhb> Previously it was 5-10 minutes or so. But there is something special about the west coast
<eyJhb> Also, are there any good git cheat sheets? I keep forgetting commands all the time..
<eyJhb> E.g. undoing a local commit
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<etu> eyJhb: git reset HEAD^
<etu> eyJhb: With -- soft or hard depending if you want to keep the changes or not
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<cole-h> I almost had a heart attack last night. I was verifying my backup when dmcrypt deadlocked. When I went to `ls` my home directory, some files were straight-up missing (inlcuding my yet-to-be-committed `~/.config/nixpkgs`)
<cole-h> But one REISUB later and we're all peachy. Files still there, backup still there...
<cole-h> Probably cost me a good year or two
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<pie_[bnc]> cole-h: time to have backups
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<pie_[bnc]> cole-h: you now have two years of your life as a excuse to set them up
<cole-h> They're already set up though :D
<cole-h> `INFO: task dmcrypt_write/2:81210 blocked for more than 737 seconds.` 👀
<pie_[bnc]> why the heart attack then? :P
<pie_[bnc]> oh
<pie_[bnc]> lol i cant read
<cole-h> Haha
<pie_[bnc]> > i was verifying my backup
<{^_^}> undefined variable 'i' at (string):287:1
<cole-h> I was honestly freaking out. Went to brush my teeth. Then remembered I could probably REISUB since backup finished and it was just verifying at that point
<lovesegfault> cole-h: did it work?
<lovesegfault> Are you moving to NixOS?
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<pie_[bnc]> i should throw some money at scantailor...
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<cole-h> lovesegfault: :D No this was just a monthly backup since I had forgotten to in February
<lovesegfault> cole-h: Ah :D
<lovesegfault> do you use ZFS snapshots?
<cole-h> Not on ZFS yet :P That'll come when I /do/ switch to NixOS
<cole-h> For now I just have a veracrypt'd external + borg
<cole-h> (veracrypt because it was originally my Windows backup drive)
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<lovesegfault> I see
<lovesegfault> I'm so close to fully reproducible builds on my system configs
<lovesegfault> I just need to fix my ci drv
<pie_[bnc]> nice
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<cole-h> lovesegfault: Was just looking at your nix config again and was wondering what you were doing for secrets. Is the submodule a private GH repo?
<lovesegfault> cole-h: correct
<lovesegfault> mind you my solution is not good
<lovesegfault> b/c it shoves them in the nix store which is unsafe
<lovesegfault> alas for now that's all the effort I can put on this
<cole-h> Just curious since I had just run into the same thing. I decided to use `git-crypt` for files with secrets and am committing them for now
<cole-h> Maybe it would be better to do both: private GH repo + `git-crypt` for secrets
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<eyJhb> cole-h: I have started having everything private, as to not reveal my setup to anyone...
<eyJhb> Easier to attack someone, when you know everything they run and how
<lovesegfault> cole-h: is git-crypt gpg-based?
<cole-h> Appears to be
<cole-h> I don't think it's bespoke GPG though -- you can't gpg --decrypt the files, I don't think
<lovesegfault> My problem with that is my gpg keys are more restricted than the secrets I have there
<lovesegfault> i.e. there are boxes I want secrets in but don't want my gpg keys in
<lovesegfault> only one machine has my keys
<cole-h> For now, I don't have that problem because I only use 1 system
<eyJhb> Isn't there a secrets module in-progress?
<cole-h> "in-progress"
<{^_^}> #78640 (by Infinisil, 5 weeks ago, open): Add `types.secretPath`
<cole-h> Which doesn't address the problem of having secrets in a git repo that you may or may not trust
<eyJhb> Well, if it is the git repo!
<eyJhb> Then don't :p I just have mine offline, and put them in place on the systems as needed
<eyJhb> But my setup is.. Hideous, I hate manging multiple systems using my current setup
<eyJhb> Especially when you have to "quickly"fix something ,and push it back to the repo
<cole-h> I think my current solution is pretty good: git-crypt the secrets files, with a plan to move them to a private GH submodule/subrepo like lovesegfault has
<infinisil> Above PR doesn't add any secret support to NixOS really, it just prevents people from accidentally importing secrets into the store
<infinisil> Well that's the intention anyways, but in the most recent comment I mention that it's blocked by a Nix issue..
<cole-h> Yeah, which is why I quoted "in-progress" :P
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<lopsided98> This is my solution: https://github.com/lopsided98/nixos-secrets . There is no documentation, but every machine gets its own PGP key, and there is a config file that specifies which keys should be used on which files.
<eyJhb> lopsided98: where is the readme! :D
<lopsided98> eyJhb: I should add one; so far I only really designed it for my personal use. Some of the Nix code needed to make it work had to be placed in my configuration repository.
<eyJhb> I know lopsided98 , just teasing you :p I always just put some readme.md, even if it doesn't help anything or is outdated. Which is bad...
<samueldr> welp, confirmed that netflix is facing credential stuffing attack
<samueldr> attacks*
<eyJhb> samueldr: how?
<samueldr> I got stuff again, but on a catch-all domain
<samueldr> it only makes sense in a credential stuffing kind of attack
<samueldr> so right now netflix is simply spamming e-mails trying to help you
<samueldr> looks like I'll have to write a filter
<eyJhb> Another reason not to have NF?
<samueldr> hm?
<samueldr> I don't have a netflix account
<samueldr> if someone tries to login to an account that doesn't exist, it will "helpfully" create an account at the same time
<eyJhb> Ahh, that seems idiotic
<samueldr> so if you're using credential stuffing to find active accounts, you'll end up creating accounts
<samueldr> it's actually a great UX to do so, except the world is not made for that nice UX
<eyJhb> Makes more sense now, I should have read that last sentence on my Google search
<eyJhb> I love sites that has a API for checking active accounts
<eyJhb> I love sites even more, who gives me name+email address based on phone numbers, especially when they are only 8 digits in DK
<samueldr> they almost all kind of have, the only way not to is to always reply "we will e-mail the associated account if it exists" after a password reset
<samueldr> so the user cannot know if they input their e-mail right either
<samueldr> which is another UX issue :(
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<samueldr> is it because I mistyped the account or because I don't have an account, that I cannot reset?
<eyJhb> Yeah, but it provides better security
<eyJhb> We should use that for a challenge, just for fun :p It is always fun
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<jtojnar> This is weird? Maybe they are fishing for keys that are also used in other places and I forget to revoke them?
<lovesegfault> honestly my biggest gripe with nix is that so much of the out-of-tree tooling is written in Haskell
<lovesegfault> Which makes supporting AArch64 a PITA
<gchristensen> I've changed a bunch of stuff and `git add`'d it. is there a way I can do a `sed` operation on my diff before I commit, or do I need to like, commit, format-patch, reset, am?
<lovesegfault> gchristensen: you can just git restore --staged and then sed normally?
<gchristensen> I need to do my sed on exactly the lines I changed
<lovesegfault> samueldr: in nix-top what does the number before the arrows mean ` 10 → /tmp/nix-build-gcc-9.2.0.drv-0`
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<lovesegfault> gchristensen: I'd format-patch, etc
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<samueldr> user, it looks like
<lovesegfault> Ah,nice
<lovesegfault> thx :)
<samueldr> oh, no
<samueldr> wrong arrow
<samueldr> amount of processes
<lovesegfault> Ah!
<lovesegfault> that's more useful :D
<samueldr> yes, and it didn't make sense that it changed
<samueldr> especially useful when you have enough jobs running that fill your display
<lovesegfault> my case right now
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<cole-h> gchristensen: I would `git diff --cached | [sed stuff] > diff && reset && apply diff`
<gchristensen> ooh cool
<cole-h> can't remember if sed has something that outputs to a file for you rather than needing to redirect
<lovesegfault> Actually, scratch what I said, my biggest gripe with Nix is that stuff is written with `s` instead of `z`. OPTIMISE?!
<cole-h> lol
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<eyJhb> lovesegfault: british english.. :p
<gchristensen> lovesegfault: you must live a charmed life then :P
<cole-h> Look at what gchristensen said in -dev... He used both, the heathen
<samueldr> that's an americentrist view if I've ever seen one :)
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<samueldr> now you're gonna tell me there is no U in colour?
<gchristensen> cole-h: my `sed` was 's/pecialized/pecialised/g' =)
<lovesegfault> samueldr: I'm brazillian :P
<cole-h> ROFL
<cole-h> gchristensen++
<{^_^}> gchristensen's karma got increased to 222
<lovesegfault> FWIW: Most non-native english speakers learn american, not british, english
<lovesegfault> so the choice of using the less-common dialect(?) damages accessibility IMO
<eyJhb> Still love how in the US of AMERICA you have to pay up (for getting checked etc.) if you have corona virus. Way to help not spreading it around
<cole-h> I prefer colour over color, and specialization over specialisation
<samueldr> sounds canadian
* cole-h coughs on eyJhb
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<ashkitten> cole-h: please don't joke about that
<eyJhb> lovesegfault: in DK we mostly learn British, but are exposed a lot more to American
<jtojnar> <lovesegfault "FWIW: Most non-native english sp"> Source?
<eyJhb> cole-h: Haha :p
<cole-h> ashkitten: Sorry, you're right -- that was in bad taste.
<ashkitten> thank you
<eyJhb> Eh, I think it's fine. But that might be because it is waaaay too close to me atm
<lovesegfault> jtojnar: That was anecdotal, but I think we can find actual data on this. Let's see if it corroborates my experience
<eyJhb> (because of idiots who cannot stay at home)
<Irenes[m]> hmm
<ashkitten> eyJhb: whether you think it's fine is immaterial really. it's highly upsetting to a lot of people that may not in fact be you
<lovesegfault> nothing promising here
<Irenes[m]> I hadn't quite realized, until today, that having auto-upgrade for my system, combined with having a cross-compiler in my development environment, means I'll be rebuilding the cross-compiler locally every day
<Irenes[m]> (I'm using lorri, so at least that's as automated as it can be within those constraints)
<eyJhb> ashkitten: well, no one in my circles so far seems to lack the ability to joke with it so far, except this case :)
<Irenes[m]> I'm assuming the official Hydra categorically doesn't build cross-compilers, since there are so many combinations, but does anybody know for sure?
<Irenes[m]> the case I'm building is with a target that's not a supported platform anyway, so I know it definitely will never be cached heh
<lovesegfault> also relevant
<Irenes[m]> oh sorry to interrupt
<gchristensen> Irenes[m]: it does build some
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<Irenes[m]> ah!
<samueldr> Irenes[m]: you're awfully on-topic for the off-topic channel ;)
<cole-h> lol
<Irenes[m]> lol
<gchristensen> lol
<Irenes[m]> I find it more pleasant to talk in spaces that are primarily social rather than task-oriented, heh
<cole-h> Broke the chain :-(
<pie_[bnc]> what off topic channel? ;P
<pie_[bnc]> i mean uhh...
<pie_[bnc]> lol?
<gchristensen> that is okay, this isn't #emacs cole-h :)
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<cole-h> 👀
<Irenes[m]> ah yeah I see, it's building stuff with x86-64 hosts
<cole-h> To bring this channel back to its roots: I'm so glad I figured out how to get my weechat notification plugin working. I can multitask without fear now
<Irenes[m]> that's good
<cole-h> I originally had it running as a system service which didn't have DBUS_SESSION_ADDRESS available
<Irenes[m]> I'm doing ARM bootloader development so I've been using an aarch64 host because that's more likely to work smoothly in my experience. so that's why it isn't hitting the cases I need, but I know I'm a fringe case.
<cole-h> Now it's a user service so I can see when people are talking about me behind my back 👀
<Irenes[m]> is there a good way in general to see the configuration that determines which combinations this jobset builds? I can get a sense by looking at the outputs but I'd like to understand more of it
<Irenes[m]> oh hey grats on the weechat stuff cole-h :)
<gchristensen> Irenes[m]: click the Configuration tab :)
<jtojnar> lovesegfault I was mostly questioning what variant of English people learn, I have no doubt that American is steamrolling through everything in the cultural space
<Irenes[m]> ah! lol
<Irenes[m]> thanks!
<gchristensen> yep!
<infinisil> AHhhh my system config is a mess!
<Irenes[m]> isn't everybody's
<gchristensen> aren't they all!
<infinisil> Perhaps!
<Taneb> (I know I definitely learnt British English at school, but I went to school in Britain, so that would make sense)
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<lovesegfault> jtojnar: Ah, yeah, to that I can only provide anecdotes
<eyJhb> I think (maybe not correct), that British English is used more formally. E.g. when writing papers/reports/etc. for the University we all tend to use British English
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<infinisil> I recently wrote this pretty hacky module for starting a minecraft server on-demand. When a tcp connection is made to a port, a digitalocean droplet is created, the volume with the data attached, and after startup the tcp connection is forwarded to the created droplet
<infinisil> (Many manual steps are still involved as of now though)
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<infinisil> Oh and part of it isn't published yet, the NixOS configuration of the created droplet. It has a systemd service that self-destructs itself after 15 minutes of no connections to the minecraft port :)
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<infinisil> Automating all these steps would be possible, but really painful, and probably not reliable unless I add testing infra too..
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<infinisil> Soooo, probably not worth the effort :)
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<lovesegfault> infinisil: that's pretty cool
<cole-h> Continuing my backup saga from earlier: integrity check just finished (5h long lol) and borg reported all clear. Safe!
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