gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<infinisil> Phew I just had a big scare regarding zfs
<infinisil> Computer locked up almost completely, had to force shutdown. Turns out I can't import the pool anymore
<infinisil> This wouldn't be a problem normally because you have backups. But you see, I was just in the process of redoing my backup situation.. So I actually don't have one at this very moment
<infinisil> Fortunately, after an hour of totally-not-pannicked-research, I decided to use `zpool import -F`, which basically rolls back the pool a bit, which worked
<infinisil> Then I can a scrub, which actually did repair 1KB for once!
<infinisil> And because znapzend doesn't support resuming zfs sends, I need to start the 77GB backup to an external server with ~24Mbps which was like 30% done again from scratch :/
<infinisil> And this happened just when I wanted to go to bed, damnit!
<infinisil> s/can a scrub/ran a scrub
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<ashkitten> i don't currently have a backup solution :<
<ashkitten> i'd use backblaze but i literally have only 10Mbit upload speeds
<ashkitten> so anything over the internet is nope rn
<ashkitten> (also we only get 1TB/month)
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<eyJhb> ashkitten: where do you live?
<eyJhb> After my South Africa visit, I am grateful for my 100 Mbit/s unlimited :p
<andi-> I am currently pleased with symmetric gigabit at my place.. Looked for a plot of land to build a house on. Would have to go back to 300ish kbit/s..
<eyJhb> andi-: so that is a hard no?
<andi-> eyJhb: probably, have to see how expensive it would be to run something therr
<eyJhb> Just feeling more and more blessed that there is basically fiber or high speed everywhere in DK...
<eyJhb> I am guessing fairly expensive andi- ?
<andi-> The usual price for ground work here is about 100€/m. As far as I can tell it is at least 300m but haven't actually requested the documents yet.
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<andi-> Since it is a bit rural and there is no proper pavement on the sides it could be a lot cheaper...
<eyJhb> You could hope so at least!
<elvishjerricco> My cat spent the day at my parents' new home. He was so scared of the new environment. He explored the basement for a while and eventually discovered the "under-the-couch" and just stayed there forever. Made it hard to recover him to take him home :P
<elvishjerricco> But this home has gigabit fibre so it's worth the move, right? :P
<andi-> Probably :)
<eyJhb> My brothers cat just discovered .. nothing, and just kept screaming for three days until my brother came home again....
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<elvishjerricco> Lol my cat just hates new places.
<eyJhb> Well.. He just hates, everyone except my brother :p He tolerates men (if you have a beard), but thinks women er weird and does not like them :p
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<elvishjerricco> Cats are so weird. I'll never understand how they form their preferences :P
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<eyJhb> They are! :D I am still curious about a bunny. But like, this past month or so I haven't been home...
<infinisil> ashkitten: I *really* suggest you do offsite backups nonetheless
<infinisil> If you have any important data
<infinisil> It doesn't have to be everything, and it doesn't have to be often. Just once a week will be better than never
<infinisil> Well I guess I'd be happy with a non-offsite backup solution too actually
<infinisil> Like a different disk in your house
<andi-> I somewhat dislike zfs send as I have to know what prior snapshot the remote (still) has if I want to do incremental backups. Znapzend sounds like a tool that could handle that. It seems a bit dated and too many whistles to not shoot myself in the foot.
<sphalerite> andi-: have you had a look at syncoid/sanoid?
<sphalerite> I'm planning to probably move to those (currently using znapzend) sometime
<andi-> sphalerite: no haven't. Actually thinking of using Borg instead and reducing my amount of data.
<sphalerite> andi-: I used to use borg, but prefer zfs snapshots now because making them doesn't need to read everything when making a backup
<andi-> Also what I dislike so far it seems that they all want their own snapshots. It might be cheap to create some but also means I have to carry my previous backup with me to be able to do the next backup.
<andi-> Unless I just send everything every time.
<sphalerite> syncoid can sync any snapshots AFAIU
<sphalerite> plus it can pull as well as pushing
<andi-> What I liked about Borg was append only mode. Someone stealing my laptop would be able to delete all backups (of all systems?).
<andi-> *would not*
<andi-> Presumably I can fix that by only accepting a few commands that are subject to change between versions
<sphalerite> you can use a non-root user and not allow the destroy privilege on the relevant datasets for that user
<sphalerite> just that that prevents progressive thinning, at least from the pushing side
<sphalerite> or use pull-based backups
<infinisil> sphalerite: I tried giving non-root users some zfs privileges before, but I never got it to work :/
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<infinisil> I think it might have had something to do with the permissions on /dev/zfs
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<eyJhb> So for some reason, after two years, I have forgotton my pin to my card. How in the hell does that happen :/
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<infinisil> That's impressive assuming you used it throughout
<eyJhb> infinisil: I used it like yesterday, and during my trip, etc.
<eyJhb> All of the sudden in the queue I just couldn't remember it. But thought it was my mind playing tricks on me.. But no..
<srhb> I've done that too. :P
<eyJhb> srhb++ for not being alone :p Did you figure out your pin again afterwards?
<{^_^}> srhb's karma got increased to 74
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<srhb> eyJhb: Nope, never. :P
<infinisil> I can recommend using your password manager for managing more than just passwords. PINs, credit card number, license keys
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<adisbladis> infinisil: I like to use my password manager for all sorts of stateful things, even a handful of "bookmarks" :)
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<ashkitten> infinisil: i do have auto snapshots and redundancy at least
<ashkitten> just nothing offsite
<infinisil> Unfortunately the only problems I've had with ZFS in the past were related to pool corruption..
<ashkitten> haven't had that so far, but sounds nasty
<ashkitten> i hope that doesn't happen to me
<ashkitten> i don't have any disks that aren't in use rn
<ashkitten> or another machine to put them in
<eyJhb> srhb: ... That was not the answer I was hoping for :p I remember I put it into.. Some.. Contact for my trip to Sweden :p But I think I removed it...
<eyJhb> So currently, I can only buy for less than 400,- DKK :p
<sphalerite> infinisil: it's worked for me without any adjustments besides zfs allow…
<infinisil> Neat, it was a long time ago that I tried last, so maybe that changed
<emily> eyJhb: this is probably too silly to even suggest, but if you think remembering the first digit might help then there's only 10 possibilities...
* emily is glad her bank lets you view the PIN from the app with just a single authentication like transactions use...
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<sphalerite> emily: 10? Isn't it 100?
<emily> don't quote me on this, but I *think* there are only 10 digits in the decimal system.
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<infinisil> But PINs have 4 digits?
<infinisil> So even if you know the first one, there's still 10^3=1000 possible values for the other three digits
<sphalerite> argh I meant 1000 x)
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<emily> I did say "but if you think remembering the first digit might help"...
<emily> I have a habit of forgetting my passphrases, only to remember them once I can figure out the first word or two
<sphalerite> emily: you mean the first 3 digits? :p
<emily> what I meant was: if you think remembering the first digit might help your memory, then there are only 10 possibilities for the first digit to try.
<emily> I did say it was probably too silly to say.
<sphalerite> ooooooh
<emily> the good news is, this applies regardless of base :p
<eyJhb> emily: three tries in total, I have one left
<eyJhb> :(
<eyJhb> Worst part is, I cannot get diesel without any card
<eyJhb> So pretty much, bad timing with my meeting in Billund
<eyJhb> .... I can get my PIN sent with mail, for 15.00,- DKK
<sphalerite> eyJhb: that notation is very confusing
<eyJhb> 15.00,- DKK?
<eyJhb> 15,- DKK?
<sphalerite> doesn't the ,- mean no fractional part?
<sphalerite> yeah
<sphalerite> combined with a dotted fractional part, very odd :p
<eyJhb> Hmm, not quite sure actually. But I am almost certain I have seen it used like 14.95,-
<eyJhb> But it gets even MORE confusing, if you actually use the correct divider. So 15,00,- DKK...
<eyJhb> Should be without, bad habit I suppose
<sphalerite> :p
<sphalerite> so I did a really nasty hack to get the USB port on my e-reader working again (quite critical since it's also for charging…)
<sphalerite> opened up the case, jammed a piece of fabric in between the port and the hole in the case that accommodates the port, closed the case again
<sphalerite> it seems to work quite well
<sphalerite> I was worried it wasn't working again just now when I saw it wasn't charging… only to realise I had unplugged the charger
<infinisil> eyJhb: Wait so with 1 euro = 7.4504 DKK (according to wikipedia), so 15 DKK ~ 2 euro?
<eyJhb> If it works! ;) But is it just a loose connection?
<eyJhb> Yeah infinisil , and a couple of days...
<eyJhb> That is the worst part, it isn't instant
<infinisil> How about going to the bank directly?
<eyJhb> The bank is in Aarhus :/ Nothing in Aalborg
<infinisil> Ahah, and you can't get there because you're out of gas? Damn
<eyJhb> Will call them tomorrow and hear, but I don't think they can do anything... :p - I think I actually can, but still somewhat tricky!
<eyJhb> Luckily I have a good friend with a spare card I can use while mine doesn't work. Not many that would trust me with that :p
<infinisil> Maybe they'll tell you the first 2 digits heh
<eyJhb> Would be nice of them :p I will try my company card tomorrow, so I get two additional tries
<joepie91> eyJhb: I've occasionally spontaneously blanked on passwords, PINs, etc. -- totally distracting myself with something mundane and unrelated (doing laundry, grocery shopping, whatever) has always helped so far, and when I tried to *use* the password/PIN again after that (in a typical context) I'd remember it again
<eyJhb> joepie91: hoping for that to happen! Anyways, goodnight people ;) Wish me luck that I will remember it during the night
<eyJhb> THen I can add it to `pass`!
<joepie91> goodnight!
<joepie91> eyJhb: don't dwell on it though
<joepie91> trying to force yourself to remember it will just make it worse :D
<joepie91> just forget about it for now
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<infinisil> Wikipedia is down :(
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