gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<colemickens> Anyone have thoughts on eGPUs? Maybe a weird question for a linux channel but all the same...
<colemickens> TBH, primarily looking to reduce HW and consolidate gaming PC into a dual booting laptop potentially. Not a gaming junky, just like 10 hrs/month max. Actual goal is reducing computer babysitting in general.
<samueldr> I feel eGPU are, if not now, soon, a good solution for gaming, even not on a laptop, e.g. a NUC with thunderbolt
<samueldr> at least, if I was looking to setup for gaming, I probably would investigate that fully
<samueldr> the fact that you can move with a laptop and your full eGPU is probably a good thing in my book
<samueldr> and when not gaming, the non-laptop computer takes less space
<samueldr> though I'm sure there's like a bajillion catches with that :/
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<drakonis> word is that it works on linux
<drakonis> very little catches
<drakonis> i don't know about nvidia drivers though
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<samueldr> wow, this USB Type-C dock (no thunderbolt involved both side) is pure garbage
<samueldr> (1) connecting the power delivery cable before connecting the PC will make it so the ethernet interface won't work
<samueldr> (2) connecting the dock to the PC with any other C-to-C cable than the tiny one included will make it so the ethernet interface won't work
<samueldr> I knew bringing type-c in would be painful, but I hoped that without thunderbolt it would be less so :/
<samueldr> (1) is pretty bad considering the goal of the dock is to have to plug in one wire, and not fiddle around the desk unplugging and plugging back everything :(
<samueldr> and since the cable is so short (2) the box ha to be placed inconveniently close...
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<samueldr> oh, and the power supply coming with it will not provide power to the power delivery device, but the power delivery adapter you plug in will power the whole hub, making it dubiously useful, if not useless :/
<Ralith> review time!
<samueldr> I can't believe the price it retails for... I thought at 69.99$CAD promo price it was a steal, but I got robbed!
<samueldr> and weirdly enough, everything I bought from ORICO beforehand was good (though shipping with engrish manuals)
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<eyJhb> Finally, chose AGPLv3 for the project
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<Taneb> tmux synchronize panes is magical
<monsieurp> :D
<Shados> samueldr: The problem is USB-C. Also PD. Both are something of a nightmare to implement.
<makefu> Shados: i think USB-PD is quite awesome, and the future of charging everything with anything. i just built a charge adapter from usb-pd to my x230 round plug ( https://sites.google.com/a/cohberg.com/default/home/daily-postings/poweranythingusingtypec )
<Shados> makefu: The concept is cool. The spec is not great.
<makefu> not the spec we want, but the spec we deserve i guess
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<eyJhb> Shados: which USB-C adapters support voltages that high? Does normal mobile USB-C ?
<makefu> eyJhb: you have to check that the charger supports the correct PD "power profile"
<makefu> eyJhb:that charger https://www.amazon.com/Anker-AK-A2029121-60W-PD-Ports/dp/B07DFGXLY4/ for example supports Output: 5V ⎓ 3A / 9V ⎓ 3A / 15V ⎓ 3A / 20V ⎓ 3A
<makefu> your smartphone charger normally supports 9 or 12 volt. but this is printed on the charger
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<gchristensen> :/
<eyJhb> gchristensen: a little unstable?
* etu pats {^_^} and gchristensen
<gchristensen> is there a way to have weechat just remember the channels I was in, and auto-join them when I start it next?
<gchristensen> every time I restart weechat I'm reminded of the channels I was in ... 3 years ago
<joepie91> this is a question to which the answer is "no" for a shocking amount of IRC clients
<joepie91> dunno about weechat specifically
<gchristensen> yeah :?
<joepie91> Nettalk is one of the very few IRC clients I know that do this right out of the box
<joepie91> (also auto-remembers servers you connect to)
<etu> gchristensen: yes
<tilpner> I have an alias that adds the current channel to autojoin
<tilpner> But to remove it, I have to edit the string manually :(
<etu> gchristensen: irc.server.freenode.autojoin
<etu> gchristensen: /set irc.server.freenode.autojoin "#nixos,#nixos-chat"
<etu> for example
<etu> if your freenode connection is named "freenode"
<etu> so you have to adjust accordingly
<gchristensen> yeah, I have that list set from years ago and I never keep it up to date
<etu> oh
<gchristensen> so I'd like it to automatically update it when I join and leave channels
<etu> Should be possible to write a plugin for that unless there isn't one already
<etu> that's a good idea
<andi-> gchristensen: autojoin.py plugin, /autojoin --run /save and done
<andi-> you can put that on a timer... just make sure you are not running it fter having disconnected
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<{^_^}> zfsonlinux/zfs#8756 (by billyauhk, 7 minutes ago, open): Test Suite destroyed my data
<pie__> on one hand, lol
<pie__> on the other hand :C
<ivan> I spent 6 hours getting LUKSed ZFS installed without a proper installer and the first `zpool scrub rpool` broke all the IO
<ivan> (zfsUnstable)
<ivan> why did I think something could be better than XFS
<infinisil> ivan: You don't have any guarantees when using unstable
<infinisil> Although these should be release candidates
<samueldr> eh, I would do as the teacher for operating systems class asked us to do: format the root partition as NTFS...
<samueldr> (I had to point out, at the time, how it made no sense :/)
<ivan> yeah it's an rc, too bad, could be https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/8664
<{^_^}> zfsonlinux/zfs#8664 (by marker5a, 3 weeks ago, open): Crash on scrub
<ivan> going to try triggering it again
<ivan> yep, hosed again immediately, nothing to see in journalctl -f or dmesg -w
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<eyJhb> Did he die again..... *sigh*
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<eyJhb> gchristensen: you, stop dying ! :p
<eyJhb> Why don't you use ZNC? That remembers your channels etc.
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<eyJhb> Has anybody suggested that NixOS etc. was moved to Slack, Discord, etc. once?
<ar> i hope not
<eyJhb> But it is the hip thing to do! And I quote a issue comment here - `Call me lazy, young or stupid, but I decided long time ago that I'll won't even try to join a IRC channel. It just feels so dated compared to the alternatives.`
<gchristensen> ZNC wouldn't help, as the server which runs my bouncer is the one which is dying.
<joepie91> I mean, it's not wrong that it feels dated
<eyJhb> gchristensen: but, then you should just need to enable the module?
<joepie91> it's just not a good argument to move to Slack/Discord :)
<gchristensen> ZNC won't help if the server running ZNC literally cannot stay running.
<gchristensen> {^_^} will just have to be down for a while as I'm not able to use much more than IRC at the moment. Sorry :(
<eyJhb> gchristensen: https://wiki.znc.in/Chansaver this
<eyJhb> joepie91: dunno, don't really feel that... But I guess, when you live in the terminal, nothing seems dated.. ie. not being used to flashy GUIs
<gchristensen> ah
<joepie91> eyJhb: that would certainly help :P
<eyJhb> gchristensen I use that, and everytime BuyVM seems to get DDoS, it will rejoin the channels etc. or when I accidentally restart the whole thing :)
<eyJhb> I always love when people find some old DOS program, and proclaim that "ohh, you properly haven't seen a terminal before!"
<__monty__> eyJhb: I don't think slack can handle 800+ people communities well. Also, neither of those are open. Matrix'd be a much better alternative but still inferior to irc.
<Ralith> slack is spectacularly wasteful, even compared to other webapps
<Ralith> I have to kill my slack tabs on a daily basis
<__monty__> And discord will more likely than not move to an ad-based revenue model imo.
<eyJhb> Well, the current arguments I hear from the random CTFd discussion I joined are simply BS...
<eyJhb> Always sad when you can't just `/join #<project>`...
<joepie91> __monty__: inferior to IRC in what aspect? (genuine question)
<infinisil> Wondering the same ^^
<__monty__> joepie91: Clients are terrible, home servers are terrible. But also that irc is very much one community-one channel. I feel like matrix's model makes it easier to break up a community in little pieces. I agree that can be useful but irc's model makes it easier to find someone who can help you in the right direction.
<joepie91> __monty__: ah yeah, I agree on the clients/HS thing. not sure I follow your point about the model, though, especially considering that we are currently talking in a spinoff channel from #nixos :)
<eyJhb> clients/HS for Matrix, right?
<joepie91> yes
<__monty__> joepie91: Matrix makes the discord model easy, right? Like, spin up a channel for your clique whenever you want?
<__monty__> I know that's *possible* with irc. It's just not really done. There's communities with many channels, looking at you <.< haskell, but most stick to one or two.
<joepie91> __monty__: I'm not sure I'd consider it any significantly easier than on IRC, other than the group messaging capability
<joepie91> also, there are definitely backchannels for most any significantly-sized community :)
<joepie91> just usually not openly so
<etu> __monty__: I've hosted IRC servers for years and years for a community. It was quite easy. We we're like 200+ people on they're
<etu> But matrix homeserver I've set up twice and kept running for maximum of a week because it's a beast in several ways
<etu> And they go on and on about open standard etc
<etu> There's documents for sure
<etu> But only one usable implementation
* joepie91 is working on one
<__monty__> joepie91: My experience is mostly based on hearing about discord drama tbh. But it seems like discord is actually quite aptly named. IRC doesn't seem to have that same thing. You don't usually miss out on much as long as you're in the main channel for a community.
<joepie91> __monty__: Discord is quite different from Matrix, though
<etu> I've was tracking their go implementation of a HS for years and years before I gave up on tracking it
<joepie91> for starters, their frustratingly-misnamed 'server' model doesn't exist in Matrix
<joepie91> on Discord you apparently have a model where somebody joins a 'server' (ie. a community) which then consists of N>=1 channels
<etu> joepie91: Very cool, all the creds to you for doing that. I would love to live in matrix one day
<joepie91> on Matrix you have a more IRC-esque "one channel is one channel" model
<joepie91> there are different homeservers of course, but it all exists in a global federated namespace
<joepie91> where the homeserver that the channel was created on is just a suffix
<joepie91> (to the channel name, effectively)
<etu> For slack people use the same terminology as discord: "I've set up a slack server!" -- no you didn't
<joepie91> etu: 'live in matrix, hehe'
<joepie91> etu: 'live in matrix', hehe *
<__monty__> joepie91: Oh, I thought it was namespaced similarly. Like, you join *the* community room and then that points you to all the other channels.
<joepie91> ah, no
<joepie91> there's no such mechanism afaik
<joepie91> either that or I just haven't found it yet :)
<__monty__> I do have to say I don't like the insanely long channel names on matrix. #nixos-chat@freenode:synapse.homeserver.matrix.forsomereasonthistldis38characterslong:sha-512hashforgoodmeasure
<joepie91> __monty__: where are you seeing that? the normal channel name for the matrix.org bridge to Freenode would be #freenode_#nixos-chat:matrix.org
<joepie91> with the freenode_ prefix being owned by the IRC bridge
<__monty__> Yeah, that's waaay too long.
<joepie91> __monty__: what is? the one I mentioned?
<joepie91> because it can't really be shorter than that :P
<joepie91> for a bridged channel, anyway
<__monty__> It can obviously be shorter. It's just #nixos-chat from an irc client.
<joepie91> __monty__: IRC isn't federated, so it can get away with not having a server in the channel address (because it's really more an address than a name)
<joepie91> and if you were to automagically bridge Matrix channels to IRC, you'd also end up with #matrix_#nixos-chat or whatever
<joepie91> Matrix-native channels don't have that sort of prefix because there's no bridging thing involved
<joepie91> so if you wanted to have #nixos-chat:matrix.org, nothing is stopping you :P
<joepie91> (which, really, isn't any significantly different from "#nixos-chat on Freenode" in terms of length, except without requiring you to manage multiple server connections)
<__monty__> I think you'll find irc is the first federated network : )
<joepie91> afaik IRC linking has always been permissioned in some way, which is not true for federated networks
<joepie91> (which is half the point of the federation :P)
<__monty__> Maybe we have different definitions of federation.
<joepie91> possibly
<joepie91> also, when did cheap felt-tip markers get so good
<joepie91> bought a pack of cheapo ones today, the colors match almost perfectly, they write well
<joepie91> this is not what I recall from years ago at all lol
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<andi-> Since a few weeks typing in github text boxes is super slow and not fun anymore.. It was never fun but now I can basically watch character appear with a huge delay. Anyone else seeing that?
<__monty__> The github search box works fine here, as do comment boxes on issues.
<andi-> It is not always but some of them become super sluggish :/ Might be related to the ago of the Tab
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<joepie91> andi-: sounds like they have a JS handler on character entry / keypress
<joepie91> common source of slowdowns
<joepie91> Twitter often has the same
<joepie91> with those handlers you have to be really careful not to delay anything
<andi-> I was about to write about a few things that I worked on and figured out for the systemd pr.. it'll just have to wait until my motivation comes back to me... 2019 and we have sluggish text input m(
<joepie91> :)
<joepie91> :( *
<eyJhb> andi-: surfingkeys with Ace, then you can also use all your Vim bindings ;)
<andi-> eyJhb: whats that? I am using vimium already.
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