<grokkingStuff>
so install the driver and it should work?
<grokkingStuff>
i can do that!
<simpson>
Linux ain't Windows. Free your mind from "installing drivers".
<simpson>
Linux drivers come with the kernel.
<simpson>
The reason to know the driver's name is that it will tell you what to look for in dmesg, and what to slap with modprobe if necessary.
<grokkingStuff>
so it's probably called mwifiex_pcie
<simpson>
Could be, sure.
<__monty__>
How does it compare to caca, timg and others?
<grokkingStuff>
modprobe-ing both of them has no effect yet
<__monty__>
jD91mZM2: ^
<simpson>
Oh, wait, is the device present in iwconfig? If it's not present, then you need to load the driver. If it *is* present, then you might just need to bring it up with ifconfig.
<jD91mZM2>
__monty__: Not the slightest clue :P
<jD91mZM2>
never used any of them
<grokkingStuff>
so the device is present but network manager keeps deleting. Tried to flush the device and restart it but it didn't work
<grokkingStuff>
s/deleting/deleting it
<simpson>
Oh, networkmanager. No idea how to make that thing happy, sorry.
<grokkingStuff>
yeah, that's why i stopped it from running
<grokkingStuff>
isn't deleting my wifi device anymore :)
<grokkingStuff>
wpa_supplicant can use that device but it fails after a while
<simpson>
Mm.
<simpson>
Well, I've got about a 50% prior on the problem being the inherent shittiness of embedded ARM drivers and hardware.
<simpson>
And about a 25% prior on networkmanager being the problem merely by being nearby.
<simpson>
But I'm not sure how to debug further. You're using NixOS to configure wpa_supplicant, right?
<grokkingStuff>
yeah
<grokkingStuff>
oddly enough i've seen people do it from debian livecds
<simpson>
Sounds like you did everything right.
<grokkingStuff>
was planning on doing it from debian if it didn't work from nixos
<simpson>
Debian might have different patches applied to their kernel, or a different version of the kernel, in addition to a very different way of doing boot.
<simpson>
Sure, if Debian works, use Debian. Nobody's going to force you to use NixOS.
<grokkingStuff>
no, i meant booting into debian and installing nixos that way
<simpson>
Go with whatever you like.
<grokkingStuff>
alright. Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.
<simpson>
No problem, hating a single proprietary embedded POS tablet is easier for me this morning than hating an entire k8s cluster.
<grokkingStuff>
heh, i guess whatever makes you less angry makes you happier?
<samueldr>
POS as piece of shit, or as point of sale?
<samueldr>
(both?)
<grokkingStuff>
:(
<grokkingStuff>
it isn't that bad :(
<samueldr>
oh, I didn't think simpson's comment was about hte surface
<samueldr>
the "embedded" part about "POS tablet" made me think it's about somthing else
<grokkingStuff>
guess i'll just stick to opensuse and nix
<grokkingStuff>
thanks a lot for the help!
<samueldr>
grokkingStuff: do try again in the future, everything might be bettter, 2017 is still not that far back!
<samueldr>
(though if the wifi requires a non-redistributable firmware it's always going to be a small issue)
<grokkingStuff>
yeah, i will. Thanks!
<simpson>
samueldr: I was absolutely talking about the Surface.
<simpson>
Also I am not a happy person, so don't worry about that.
<samueldr>
the "embedded" part got me, I was sure it was a point-of-sale thing you were working on :/
<simpson>
Nope, I spent yesterday and this morning dealing with k8s. IBM Cloud changed a bunch of stuff about how their Ingress works, and suddenly I was unable to push any kind of Ingress updates.
<simpson>
So now I guess I'm serving a bunch of Web off of a new GCE cluster instead of Bluemix. Yay?
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<jD91mZM2>
Was going to upload an asciinema cast to the README, but I'm getting network errors. Here's a preview: https://streamable.com/4hoqh
<jD91mZM2>
As you can see I migrated to unicode borders, and added a way to dynamically create terminals
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<__monty__>
jD91mZM2: Now all you need to do is implement tiling. : >
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<jD91mZM2>
__monty__: But that would make it like tmux, actually kind of useful
<jD91mZM2>
Biggest problem is actually ambigiouty. I wouldn't know if keypresses should be forwarded or intercepted. tmux solves this by making Ctrl+B special and letting you press it twice to escape.
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<simpson>
# nix run nixpkgs.kubectl
<simpson>
error: unable to exec 'bash': No such file or directory
<simpson>
Sometimes it's weird being in a container, y'know?
<samueldr>
jD91mZM2: make it modal like vim
<samueldr>
normal mode is window manipulation, i to start inserting, and uh.... escaping will be harder :)
<jD91mZM2>
samueldr: Are you trying to make my project actually be useful ?
<samueldr>
are you?
<samueldr>
:D
<jD91mZM2>
Nope :P
<samueldr>
you can't do it
* samueldr
tries reverse psychology + sniping
<samueldr>
;)
<jD91mZM2>
heh
<jD91mZM2>
I mean, there is already tmux :)
<samueldr>
I mean, there is already ed
<samueldr>
:)
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<jD91mZM2>
samueldr: The main reason is that this will never be perfect, so I think I might as well not announce it as a serious project
<jD91mZM2>
ransid has a few rendering glitches, only X11 mouse mode is supported, etc
<jD91mZM2>
Making stuff serious takes a lot of effort, effort I can't give now that school is eating almost all my time, and moving between split parents the tiny bit I have lef
<jD91mZM2>
s/$/t/g
<jD91mZM2>
Speaking of which, gtg :|
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<samueldr>
heh, (I know jd9... is gone) mainly making fun of it all :)
<samueldr>
some says "this project isn't serious" I say "but what if"
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<infinisil>
"Get a 10% volume discount when you order 10!"
<infinisil>
10! is a large number!
<infinisil>
> fact 10
<{^_^}>
undefined variable 'fact' at (string):202:1
<infinisil>
> fact = n: if n <= 1 then 1 else n * fact (n - 1)
<{^_^}>
fact defined
<infinisil>
> fact 10
<{^_^}>
3628800
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