<samueldr>
only nit I dislike is how it prefers keeping the vendor logo there
<samueldr>
I may look into the grub patches for my own use
<samueldr>
though, I guess if the i915 modesets aren't made, if grub has shown a boot menu, it will stay on until gdm is shown?
<samueldr>
I like the idea of not showing grub (though it can be accessed through keeping shift pressed) if the last boot was successful
<samueldr>
they define successful as a user logged-in and had a session more than two minutes long, or shutdown/reboots through the graphical options
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<elvishjerricco>
I'm trying to give Dracut a try with NixOS, and for a second I was excited because getting it to build and to make a simple initrd was really easy. But now I'm trying to get it to support ZFS and that is not going well at all... I just can't even get it to build
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<sphalerit>
elvishjerricco: aww. What advantages would dracut have?
<elvishjerricco>
sphalerit: Turned out the hard part was that `which` wasn't on the path, causing undetectable errors :P At the moment I'm just experimenting. It can resolve graphs a lot better than our initrd; i.e. we have some arbitrary ways of manually ordering LVM, LUKS, etc, but dracut just resolves a proper order.
<elvishjerricco>
It's also got a lot of other modules that just do a bunch of things. e.g. I think it's plymouth module might be a little better than ours
<sphalerit>
Aaah that does sound good
<sphalerit>
But iirc it's all shell scripts >_<
<elvishjerricco>
sphalerit: Yea. And I hate it :P
<sphalerit>
Well I suppose ours isn't much better in that respect
<elvishjerricco>
But yea so are we :P
<elvishjerricco>
But these shell scripts don't seem to report errors in any kind of sane way, so that's impossible to deal with
<elvishjerricco>
Hm.... Now I'm getting errors because ZFS's dracut module is referencing a ZFS systemd service file that doesn't seem to exist...
<elvishjerricco>
Looks like the files were removed 3 years ago, with no comment as to how they were buggy, so I can't verify whether or not they are *still* buggy...
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<jasongrossman>
sphalerite: You should switch to a language in which punctuation is redefinable (like say Io) and then you can make your Nix look exactly like Haskell.
<sphalerite>
jasongrossman: or haskell itself? :p
<__monty__>
I doubt syntax is the reason you'd want something more like haskell?
<sphalerite>
:p
<__monty__>
Not that I don't like haskell's syntax. Just that syntax isn't usually worth the trouble, especially since it's not a huge difference in this case.
<sphalerite>
yeah, it was mostly just a silly thought
<sphalerite>
aaah got to love incidental family tech support roles
<sphalerite>
the kind where you don't have enough contact with them to really take care of the system so you can't just install nixos and manage it via SSH
<sphalerite>
"uninstall free antivirus foo, activate windows defender" has almost become routine for me :|
<Ralith>
the trick is to carefully avoid developing any expertise involving consumer operating systems
<sphalerite>
nope that doesn't really help because you're still the computer expert :|
<Ralith>
people usually believe me when I tell them I don't know wtf
<Ralith>
maybe that is because my family are all technical enough to appreciate the difference between technologies
<joepie91>
what do you mean difference between technologies, it all has a screen doesn't it
<joepie91>
:p
<sphalerite>
there's also the bit where you might not actually know how to solve the problem, but are familiar enough with software in general to be able to find it
<sphalerite>
unlike them
<sphalerite>
so even though you don't really know what you're doing, you still know it better than they do
<sphalerite>
=> your help is helpful
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<infinisil>
I just had a ping to my *router* of over 2000ms..
<andi->
network buffers, very great :D
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<manveru>
sphalerite: it's a superpower called "actually read error messages, menu entries, and preferences"...
* manveru
just implemented a pg-based queue for fun
<samueldr>
queuing for fun?
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<andi->
I successfully lost track of my outstanding things I was working on before having this gigantic dinner -.-
<sphalerite>
manveru: but also "know that most free antiviruses are just adware really" and "know how to get to the task manager on windows"
<samueldr>
the system wouldn't really know the block device is distant
<sphalerite>
infinisil: very unusual for x86 stuff not to
<infinisil>
Ah nice
<sphalerite>
I think macs even support netboot via wifi
<sphalerite>
(is it a mac?)
<infinisil>
Yeah
<infinisil>
2012 macbook air
<sphalerite>
netboot is really cool.
<samueldr>
I never tried netboot; target devices I would have tried it on have wifi or usb ethernet and never got it working even tried a custom iPXE build (but didn't actively try hard)
<infinisil>
Actually I don't think I want to use netboot, because the internet I have at home is so damn unreliable and has problems all the time
<infinisil>
(as before with the random ping of 2000 to the router..)
<infinisil>
I'll keep it in mind though xD
<infinisil>
That website really does seem like a great resource for it sphalerite
<sphalerite>
replace the router :)
<sphalerite>
yeah, I found it a year ago or something, then about a month ago I spent ages trying to find it
<manveru>
samueldr: yeah... i was trying to avoid adding another dependency to scylla to handle the worker scheduling :)
<joepie91>
"A beautiful, lightweight, offline documentation browser for Atom."
<joepie91>
that must be why it loaded all of MDN into RAM!
* joepie91
grumbles
<joepie91>
I can do without devdocs integration if that's the price...
<manveru>
so i made one based on NOTIFY/LISTEN and `FOR UPDATE SKIP LOCKED` and it works beautifully
<infinisil>
sphalerite: Yeah I thought about spending some thought and time upgrading our network. We get our internet from 4G and distribute it throughout the house via powerline
<infinisil>
And these powerline things are unreliable to begin with
<infinisil>
And 4G is unreliable as well
<infinisil>
Or maybe that's just the ISP
<sphalerite>
oh wow
<infinisil>
Kinda lots of stuff I don't have any power over
<manveru>
not the fastest queue on earth... 884µs to add an item, and 358µs to process it, but it'll be more than enough for my purpose
<infinisil>
Well whatever, I hope I can move out of my parents house and live alone in the next year :)
<sphalerite>
infinisil: is this a case of "cellular data is better than ADSL"?
<infinisil>
Yup
<manveru>
infinisil: powerline works nicely for me, except for the adapters unsyncing every few months
<Synthetica>
It honestly is, if it weren't for my (relatively) limited 10 GiB/month data plan I'd never enable WiFi on my phone except to tether my laptop
<infinisil>
sphalerite: Well "better" as in, it's a lot faster, *usually*. The ping is worse though, and it's not as reliable and consistent
<sphalerite>
powerline worked well for me in my flat in the UK too
<manveru>
i'm also on ADSL... no 4G in this area planned in the next few years :(
<sphalerite>
I have yet to get the adapters to Germany and try them, uh, wherever I end up living
<Synthetica>
Moving to Germany?
<sphalerite>
already moved to Germany :)
<Synthetica>
Ah, nice :)
<manveru>
you got a job here?
<sphalerite>
currently staying with a family member though