gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<emily> (kind of annoying they didn't do the few clicks of due diligence before posting a comment)
<simpson> People caring about ddevault's opinions~
<simpson> Maybe I shouldn't say that.
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<maurer> simpson: I mean, *considering* the opinion of the author of a package seems fine
<maurer> I'd not go so far as to say he has any kind of authority over what should be done, but it's at least worth listening to
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<simpson> That's fair. I know them as remarkably toxic, but that's a personal opinion, and consequently people shouldn't care about it.
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<drakonis> okay so i got caught into some dumb slapfight about "why run nix/nixos"
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<Ralith> why'd you go and do a thing like that
<drakonis> because they kept going "nixos is a piece of shit"
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<Arahael> Exactly 69 nicks?
<simpson> emily: Fiiiiine. iu
<simpson> The cloud~
<simpson> Cloud vendors have to divvy a massive hoard of computational resources amongst many mutually-untrusting actors.
<Arahael> Yes, but they do so using kvm, docker, vmware, zen, etc.
<simpson> And then they get to have reboot parades.
<Arahael> That they do.
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<emily> eh
<emily> that's something they'll probably avoid more over time
<emily> GCP can do pretty fancy VM migration I think
<simpson> For their users, yes, but the underlying machines themselves have to be rebooted in order to do hypervisor upgrades.
<emily> sure
<emily> I mean, to an extent, also.
<Arahael> Typical practice in Amazon is to assume that the instances are epheremal.
<Arahael> And you cope with that accordingly.
<Arahael> (This has implications - if you can cope with it, then being able to scale up and down tends to be simpler, but that's a separate issue)
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<Arahael> What's the best games in nixos? :)
<andi-> Opinionated: xonotic :)
<lassulus> dwarf-fortress
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<Arahael> lassulus: I should learn that game. Have you tried RimWorld? Any comparison? (I'm also thinking of getting that, but meh, don't want to buy a new game just yet)
<lassulus> I've just watched someone else play rimworld, looked similiar but less feature rich. Maybe a longer tech-tree, but I didn't watched that far.
<lassulus> afair you also can't dig down in rimworld, so you lose the more interesting features of architecture like towers, pyrsmids, etc.
<Arahael> Ah, interesting point.
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<joepie91> rimworld is definitely less in-depth than dwarf fortress, but also much more accessible
<joepie91> also, rimworld has an aspect of strategic warfare that I think dwarf fortress lacks
<joepie91> cc lassulus Arahael
<joepie91> (also, rimworld is indeed single-layer)
<joepie91> can strongly recommend buying it though :P but only do so when you have a weekend to spare
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<srhb> Cataclysm: dda for that awesome zombie apocalypse sci fi setting
<srhb> Factorio for when you want your day job to leak into your free time
<joepie91> lol
* joepie91 can't disagree
<srhb> Rimworld for when you can't stop yourself for cheesing Dwarf Fortress
<srhb> s/for/from
<Arahael> joepie91: Nice.
<joepie91> I do strongly recommend investigating mods for rimworld though; the mod system is pretty stable (I more or less arbitrarily chucked like 50 different mods at it, and only one of them gave me any trouble at all)
<joepie91> and it significantly expands the gameplay
<Arahael> Wow, so dwarf fortress is multiplayer?
<srhb> Agreed, the mods are great
<srhb> Arahael: Not that I know. Would be awesome though
<srhb> I think it's more or less impossible with the current architecture of the game
<srhb> (Go on raids to other peoples' fortresses, would be really cool)
<joepie91> also, something that surprised me about rimworld mods is how well they fit in aesthetically with the base game
<joepie91> the sore-thumb problem seems to be almost entirely absent
<joepie91> not sure why
<srhb> Maybe it's just the overall aesthetic of the game that makes it easy to fit something in?
<joepie91> maybe? dunno
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<ekleog> :D
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<gchristensen> is there a syslog server which accepts messages from the network and prints them to stdout?
<gchristensen> no pid file or anything like that
<joepie91> netcat? :D
<gchristensen> preeeetty sure that isn't adequate :P
<srhb> gchristensen: rsyslog has modules that can do that
<clever> gchristensen: ive configured syslog to do that before
<clever> source amd { udp(ip(192.168.2.61) port(6666));
<clever> };
<clever> and then normal syslog-ng stuff to filter that source and route it to files
<gchristensen> busybox and sysklogd both seem to want to make socket files and pid files, I'll check rsyslog
<ekleog> gchristensen: I don't really see why netcat -u wouldn't be adequate?
<ekleog> like, it's literally made for that
<ekleog> (unless you want to prefix by the source host or similar?)
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<gchristensen> hmmm
<gchristensen> using `netcat -lup 1514` and then `echo hi | logger -n 127.0.0.1 -P 1514; echo there | logger -n 127.0.0.1 -P 1514` "there" doesn't show up
<clever> gchristensen: nixos firewall?
<gchristensen> no, "hi" shows up but "there" doesn't
<andi-> gchristensen: -k on openbsd fixes that
<gchristensen> maybe socat is better so I can handle >1 stream at once
<andi-> openbsd netcat that is.. wifi breaks my typing -.-
<clever> joepie91: ouch
<joepie91> I'm getting a distinct "don't let the door hit you on the way out" vibe here :P
<clever> joepie91: yeah
<srhb> joepie91: Followed by someone helpfully slamming it into them, yes. :P
<gchristensen> ok so `nc -dklun 1514` is almost perfect, however it emits messages without any new-lines between messages, which seems tricky to deal with
<joepie91> gchristensen: presumably there's a boundary character in the protocol that indicates the end or start of a message - pipe it through `tr` such that it replaces that?
<gchristensen> nope
<gchristensen> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5424 "Syslog Message Format"
<joepie91> eh... how are they delimited then
<clever> packet boundry i believe
<clever> one message per packet
<joepie91> :|
* joepie91 carefully places syslog in the "toxic, do not touch" bucket
<clever> lol
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<clever> long ago, i configured syslog to merge all machines into a single log file
<gchristensen> also the "Consequently, RFC 3164 describes no specific elements inside asyslog message. It states that any message destined to the syslogUDP port must be treated as a syslog message, no matter what itsformat or content is." part
<joepie91> it's... at least UDP, I guess
<clever> then i forgot, and confused myself because sshd failures for every box went to a single log
<gchristensen> I could tr < \n :)
<gchristensen> oh what the heck, I'll just do that.
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<infinisil> h/pb
<infinisil> (ignore that)
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