gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<jtojnar> this is cool
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<eyJhb> Anyone good with integrals?
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<infinisil> eyJhb: I have a friend who is
<eyJhb> infinisil: I ended up not being good friends with Wolframalpha.. :/
<eyJhb> I prefer the last one, and Wolfram send me on a twirl
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<colemickens> Hm, I feel like Spectral's font rendering has been looking ... wrong lately.
<colemickens> Weird, I changed my outputs a few times in Sway and it went back to rendering nicely.
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<joepie91> hmmm
<joepie91> maybe I should package pMusic in nixpkgs
<joepie91> (full-featured music player written in Bash)
<Taneb> joepie91: why not?
<joepie91> Taneb: well that's exactly what I was thinking, why not :D
<gchristensen> how does it actually handle the media straem?
<joepie91> gchristensen: like all Bash software does things; shells out to a variety of other software for the guts
<infinisil> joepie91: In that way bash and nix are very similar, both are pretty much just glue for software
<gchristensen> +1
<gchristensen> I like Nix's execution model better, though
<infinisil> The inexistent one you mean?
<gchristensen> no, I'm serious :) the part where an execution begins and ends and you don't get to touch it in the middle and in the end it is really gone
<gchristensen> no processes you &'d and forgot to kill ...
* infinisil nods
<infinisil> gchristensen: This is what I had to do to make sure no processes are left behind.. https://github.com/Infinisil/nixoses/blob/master/modules/deploy.nix#L138-L142
<gchristensen> I think for it to be (more) certain you have to first sigstop, but even still you can still spawn daemons with a double-fork I think
<gchristensen> this is the innovation of cgroups: you can kill an entire cgroup and know you got everything
<gchristensen> notaheuntouhenoehu I've been fighting a corrupted grub for like half a day and only just now realized the problem is I was writing grub to part1 and also mkfs'ing part1 vfat
<infinisil> Ooff
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<aanderse> infinisil: are you going to blog about that project at some point?
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<philipp[m]> I personally know people that claim using shebangs with absolute paths is preferred over calling /usr/bin/env. What should I do?
<philipp[m]> Can I sue?
<philipp[m]> Is there a recodring of RMS singing the posix standard somewhere on the internet that I can play to them in an endless loop?
<Taneb> I think subjecting anyone to an endless loop of RMS is probably against the Geneva convention
<gchristensen> philipp[m]: probably a good start is getting a firm understanding of why they think it is preferred
<aanderse> a grizzled old sysadmin once said to me "what a waste of cpu cycles" with respect to /usr/bin/env BLAH
<aanderse> i think he was only half joking, but i can't be sure
<philipp[m]> (for the record: I'm like 2/3 joking)
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<philipp[m]> I think their reasoning is "so users can't break stuff", but in my experience not letting users break stuff easily will lead to users becoming more creative in breaking your stuff.
<philipp[m]> aaron: Worse than that! It's even more precious io!
<aanderse> yeah, now that you mention... maybe that was what he said, it was quite a while ago :)
<gchristensen> this has become really unreliable for me recently, I wonder if something in the kernel or bash changed ... exec 3>&1; exec 2> >(tee /proc/self/fd/3 | tee /dev/console | logger) ; exec 1>&2
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<tokudan[m]> seems like nixos-19.03-small is stuck? it's on an older commit than nixos-19.03
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<emily> gchristensen: thanks, I hate it
<gchristensen> 19.03-small looks to be more up to date, tokudan[m]?
<tokudan[m]> i only checked howoldis
<gchristensen> oh 19.09
<tokudan[m]> oh, sorry... 19.09 not 19.03 :)
<gchristensen> tokudan[m]: check: status.nixos.org/ -- it has some more info than howoldis
<tokudan[m]> nice... but how can the small channel have a build problem if the normal channel is fine? isn't the small channel a subset of the normal channel?
<gchristensen> I'm not sure -- maybe you could look in to it? (also, maybe take this to #nixos-dev)
<__monty__> tokudan[m]: It's stuck on an older revision than non-small?
<__monty__> Maybe it's trying to take a bigger step?
<__monty__> Or a smaller step that ends up on a broken commit?
<NinjaTrappeur> Is the status.nixos.org prometheus API public? Can I use it for some personal tooling (very low traffic, maybe 1 request every two days)?
<yorick> it seems that you can
<NinjaTrappeur> yes, but should I? :)
<gchristensen> I don't see why not, go for it
<yorick> I wouldn't even worry about 1 request per day
<NinjaTrappeur> 👍 cool!
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<infinisil> aanderse: I probably will, eventually :P
<infinisil> Once i set up a blog
<aanderse> infinisil: i love what i see so far :-)
<pie_[bnc]> what did infinisil do this time? :P
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<ashkitten> thank heck for find, grep, sort, uniq and comm
<ashkitten> i've got approx 5.4 gigs of photos to sort through manually at some point from my google takeout but at least it's in a manageable format now
<waleee-cl> are the photos still provided through randomized url:s? Saw some do a youtube dissecting of his google takeout ~3 years ago
<waleee-cl> * youtube video
<ashkitten> no, they're all in the archive
<ashkitten> the archive is like 50 gigs lol
<ashkitten> (the entire thing, that is)
<ashkitten> i exported all my data not just photos
<waleee-cl> yikes. GPS-data and the like included?
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<ashkitten> hm?
<waleee-cl> well, assuming you use an android phone and/or google-apps that use location
<ashkitten> oh
<ashkitten> idk
<ashkitten> i havent looked at anything else
<jared-w> There exists a system for accessing a computer securely where you can't ssh into it. You can only upload files through a UI (which are exposed to the system as a magic folder in your homedir). That UI, however, has no concept of version control despite the fact that you can "pull changes" and "push changes" to a mounted folder. If you "push" a file with the same name, the latest push completely overwrites and wins
<jared-w> however the "push and clobber everyone else's changes" button is right next to the "pull and clobber all my local changes" button. Both are minuscule, tiny, and spelled nearly identically.
<jared-w> If I were to design a system to make people hate file sharing. I would design this. If I were to design a system that's supposed to store supposedly very sensitive documents
<jared-w> safe to say
<jared-w> I would not do that