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ehmry >
anyone tried buildFHSUserEnv for aarch64?
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sphalerite >
not me, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work
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ehmry >
it doesn't evaluate and seems to have only been tested with x86_64
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ehmry >
so thats what I'm doing today
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sphalerite >
oh, huh
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ehmry >
samueldr: are you able to add #nixos-exotic to the nix channel list?
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samueldr >
ehmry: yeah
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samueldr >
should be getting there soon
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samueldr >
flokli: yeah, thefloweringash noticed earlier
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samueldr >
sadly it's not like it's a change from us
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gchristensen >
wow, rpi has their own silicon now
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samueldr >
cortex-m0
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gchristensen >
right on
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samueldr >
I'm concerned about more vendor lock-in
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samueldr >
tbf, I don't know if there is vendor lock-in
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mgdm >
Hello. Anyone know if there's a NixOS AMI I can launch on an AWS Graviton2 instance?
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samueldr >
NixOS doesn't publis any (yet) AFAIK
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samueldr >
I seem to remember users having that figured out though
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samueldr >
I can't remember who
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samueldr >
I hadn't realized we maybe had it in Nixpkgs
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mgdm >
I'll give it a shot
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samueldr >
I guess, the old: you tell us :)
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mgdm >
The import gave me 'ClientError: EFI partition detected. UEFI booting is not supported in EC2.'
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samueldr >
yeah, most likely it's that the job for the x86_64-flavoured EC2 image
*coincidentally* builds for aarch64
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samueldr >
but does not produce a usable image
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mgdm >
the fact that is there makes me think the pdf doesn't have the whole story
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colemickens >
I have launched the aarch64 image in AWS on their m5 instances.
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colemickens >
I might have the script laying around.
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samueldr >
colemickens: that image as built by Hydra?
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samueldr >
or something else?
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mgdm >
I'm trying to put it on a t4g
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colemickens >
It was a pre-uploaded AMI but it looked like one from nixpkgs (but of course now that you ask, it couldve been anything)
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colemickens >
one sec
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mgdm >
I have seen a few that looked like that, but a) I'd like to know how to do that :) b) I wasn't sure of their provenance
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colemickens >
makes total sense :)
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samueldr >
I would assume it's not from us
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colemickens >
I just found out that Azure's Spot market is totally confusing and not working the way I thought, so I'm actually fairly interested in this. (Though Packet is still hard to beat most times)
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mgdm >
t4gs are free to some degree until March so I'm keen to play for that reason
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mgdm >
t4g.micro, that is
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colemickens >
lol! this one is named NixOS-20.09.2016.19db3e5ea27-aarch64-linux - ami-07f40006cf4d4820e
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colemickens >
20.09 2016?
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colemickens >
maybe 2016 is just the commit count though
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mgdm >
yeah I saw that one
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mgdm >
mind you the one I tried to import was 2666
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mgdm >
I forgot to specify the architecture before, so I'm trying again, but I'm getting Parameter architecture=arm64 has an invalid format.
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mgdm >
nice, that works by importing the snapshot
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clever >
samueldr: you must have seen the new rpi news by now?
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samueldr >
clever: yeah
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samueldr >
commented a bit earlier
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clever >
what about that dvi example?
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samueldr >
Cortex-M0, so it's not really relevant here
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samueldr >
what about it?
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clever >
dual dvi, from just the bare pico
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samueldr >
when I say "relevant here", I don't mean discussion not welcome
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samueldr >
just that it's not going to run NixOS :)
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clever >
yeah, only 256kb of ram
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samueldr >
can Linux even run on M0?
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samueldr >
it doesn't have an FPU
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clever >
linux doesnt need an fpu
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clever >
but it also lacks an mmu i think
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samueldr >
maybe that's what I had in mind
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clever >
but, with the 16mb XIP SPI, it doesnt need to fit the kernel in ram ...
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samueldr >
>> Those who understand the TMDS physical layer are probably screaming, but I was fine, because I did not read the electrical section of the spec until after I got this board working. Then I screamed. Before the boards arrived I did some debugging, with these two strategies:
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samueldr >
oh sure, it's capable
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samueldr >
but it's not a general purpose "computer" CPU
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samueldr >
it's an MCU
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clever >
exactly what the rpi users need
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clever >
2021-01-17 22:19:53< mawk> or just give up and do it on a microcontroller
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clever >
2021-01-17 22:19:59< mawk> probbaly that the soundest approach
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clever >
2021-01-17 22:20:14< mawk> then send the command over uart or whatever
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samueldr >
competition in the teensy kind of devices
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clever >
2021-01-17 22:20:36< mawk> because there's this impredictability where it can take way longer than expected and that's really not ok
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clever >
2021-01-17 22:20:49< clever> yeah
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clever >
2021-01-17 22:20:56< clever> thats what a lot of rpi guys need to learn to accept
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clever >
2021-01-17 22:21:04< clever> offload the RT tasks to a proper RT capable cpu
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samueldr >
that'll be nice if it's integrated on the next raspbery pi sbcs boards
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clever >
samueldr: its not just competing with arduino, it IS arduino, lol
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samueldr >
yeah I know
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samueldr >
but it's still competition
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samueldr >
arduino competes with itself
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clever >
competing with atmel/avr, not arduino directly
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samueldr >
with many compatible hw footprints, but different hw
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samueldr >
it's still competition
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samueldr >
and it's good
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clever >
mgdm: dang!
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mgdm >
it's neat but I do not need any more microcontrollers :D
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samueldr >
I wonder what it could also mean for future SBCs, can they ditch broadcom?
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samueldr >
if they do, can they make the boot chain not annoyingly vendorized?
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mgdm >
a joke I've seen a few times is that all the fruit companies are coming out with their own silicon
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samueldr >
wasn't it part of their announcement?
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mgdm >
oh perhaps, I didn't actually read it
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samueldr >
>> It seems like every fruit company is making its own silicon these days, and we’re no exception
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mgdm >
Ah :-) I saw that on twitter a few times, I didn't properly read the page
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mgdm >
honestly I didn't know they had that kind of ability. Making a board with an off the shelf chip is one thing, but a whole CPU for mass production is another
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they already had mass production knowledge
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samueldr >
from, you know, the pi
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samueldr >
and ARM comes with ready made designs, that you adapt
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mgdm >
sure, but the chip in there is an off the shelf part (or at least it was early on, i think the later ones are more customised)
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samueldr >
it's not like M1 where it's their own cores
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samueldr >
it's M0+ as designed by ARM
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samueldr >
(with additional circuitry for the features on-chip)
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samueldr >
most likely the other features come from other designs too
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mgdm >
I know, but it just seems like a step up further than I expected from them
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samueldr >
which is not bad either
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