gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<ashkitten> samueldr: i don't see why? i guess if you aren't using home-manager as a nixos module to manage user packages...
<gchristensen> okay that sounds so super cool
<gchristensen> a 'just boot' usb stick
<samueldr> yeah, I was thinking `nix-env` and similar
<samueldr> you could realistically do other OSes that NixOS supports, once any also includes full kernel boot
<samueldr> (assuming they're fine with the filesystem)
<ashkitten> and assuming all the software state is compatible
<samueldr> state?
<samueldr> that's a myth :)
<cole-h> state 😱
<samueldr> ain't a filesystem just some kind state anyway?
<ashkitten> tear down the state :D
<cole-h> filesystems are state
<cole-h> delete filesystems
<cole-h> return to monke
<samueldr> hmmm
<ashkitten> humans are state :)
<samueldr> should the first thing sent on serial in U-Boot/Tow-Boot be an ANSI reset?
<samueldr> I just had a "fun" situation where the text was reversed :)
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<ashkitten> ha
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<Church-> Heh
<Church-> Someone should write an MMO running only on cloudflare workers.
<Church-> Bet it could be done somehow.
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<pie_> isnt sysadmin work basically an MMO? ;p
<pie_> NixOS the MMO
<pie_> s/nixos/sysadmin
<pie_> we have the good tech tree unlock :PP
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<Church-> Lol
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<clever> elvishjerricco: basically, i just had 2 different bootloaders sharing a fat32 /boot
<clever> elvishjerricco: each had its own config file, and a /nix/var/nix/profiles.${system}, with a --bind mount to put the right one into place
<elvishjerricco> That's pretty cool
<clever> x86 would run MBR, grub stage1, grub normal.mod, grub.conf
<clever> rpi would run bootcode.bin, start.elf, kernel.img
<clever> each had its own kernel cmdline, so it picks a different generation (and arch) to start from, similar to bootloader rollbacks
<clever> hardest part is getting one configuration.nix to build on both, and for GC to not eat its neighbor
<elvishjerricco> I would have just used specialisations or whatever their called and made one of them set the localSystem to arm
<elvishjerricco> Then find a way to get grub properly booting on both
<clever> elvishjerricco: found this in my gist history: https://gist.github.com/cleverca22/c0fa8d46598432ba568a
<clever> back from before i knew of mkMerge
<clever> you can see how 80% of it worked there
<elvishjerricco> hardware.sane.enable = false lol
<clever> i think it had build errors on armv6
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<cransom> huh. TIL twitch chat has an irc interface.
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<Church-> Eyep
<drakonis> ashkitten: https://ambrevar.xyz/guix-advance/index.html i forgot to link this back at the start of the discussion
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<eyJhb> drakonis: Have you ever packaged something ?
<eyJhb> For guix
<eyJhb> cransom: Cooool
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<boredom101> I had an idea for a bounty service, specifically designed for nixos configurations and packages, what do people think of this?
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<ashkitten> well i guess they didn't stick around to find out what people think lol
<ashkitten> fwiw i think bounties are fine for some stuff but packages require ongoing care to keep them up to date so they're not suitable for one-time contributions
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<eyJhb> The university library has the weirdest books. Lucky for me, they have the Haynes guide/book for my car.
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<infinisil> lovesegfault: Hmm damn, it doesn't work just like that for me. I'm using linux_latest (5.11.16) and have hardware.enableAllFirmware = true and hardware.enableRedistributableFirmware = true
<infinisil> And networking.wireless.enable = true, but wpa_supplicant fails to start since there's no wlan interface in /sys/class/net/*
<infinisil> Hm actually maybe it's not even properly plugged in. I had a weird feeling about it being angled when plugging it in, lemme dis- and re-assemble..
<infinisil> No difference when I fix that :/
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<__monty__> Two wifi adapters not working starts to look like maybe there's a hardware issue further up the chain?
<infinisil> Maybe..
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<Taneb> Love it when I'm setting up a printer and the HP utility tells me that it cannot use a string pattern on a bytes-like object
<eyJhb> Taneb: How did you manage that?
<Taneb> eyJhb: hp-setup from the hplip package
<Taneb> Tried to specify a ppd file
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<lovesegfault> infinisil: :(
<lovesegfault> I'm sorry to hear that, that sucks
<lovesegfault> And yeah, I really don't recall needing to do anything
<lovesegfault> it was plug-and-play
<hyperfekt> what the hell
<hyperfekt> since when is dd oflag=sync without effect? my USB2 flash drives get copied onto at 800MB/s =.=
<hyperfekt> hm i think it might be a bad flash drive messing up kernel state and causing the same issue for any other flash drive i plug in alternatively
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<hyperfekt> indeed, that was it. reboot fixed the issue
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<infinisil> lovesegfault: Yeah so maybe my motherboards PCIe x1 slot is broken
<hyperfekt> ooh there's a usb-a/c flash drive with 400MB/s write now for just 30€
<hyperfekt> great excuse to get it
<infinisil> Hm maybe I should try it with windows somehow, to make sure it's not a software issue
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<drakonis> eyJhb: i've tried
<drakonis> its very simple honestly
<drakonis> lisp makes it easy enough i suppose
<drakonis> import what you need and use the functions
<drakonis> no mind bending works
<abathur> meh
<abathur> I have code that is behaving a little differently depending on the loglevel :)
<samueldr> hyperfekt: I was under impression that direct was used for that, but unclear what the difference really is from the man page
<samueldr> I generally use oflag=direct,sync
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<hyperfekt> direct bypasses the page cache but it also didn't work
<hyperfekt> usually sync is enough to actually make the exit of dd and the moment you can pull the drive coincide. direct on its own may be as well. if so, it's probably the better choice
<hyperfekt> samueldr: today i built an iso from unstable with grub 2.04 and grub it was properly themed, did you add a fix or did i hit some kind of heisenbug?
<samueldr> uh, hard to say, I don't remember under which conditions you had the issues
<ashkitten> i kinda wanna install a keylogger to make a heatmap of the keys i use most on my keyboard
<ashkitten> anyone know if that's possible at all with wayland?
<samueldr> I don't know for sure, I guess if you intercept at a higher level
<samueldr> just noting that a project exists to do that https://whatpulse.org/
<samueldr> not sure if it works "offline"
<samueldr> over a decade ago (whew) it only counted key presses, clicks, and mouse distance, no heat maps
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<samueldr> is github slow for everyone else?
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<gchristensen> they've been having little outages all day
<samueldr> oh, who's a cute widdle tiny outage
<samueldr> alright, so I guess it's not my connection being crap
<samueldr> oops... I'm a package maintainer... but I'm not even using that package since I use a patched version (apparently) on my systems
<hyperfekt> samueldr: forget that part about things being fixed. when though 2.04 is themed now (not sure what i did differently) 2.06 is still borked
<samueldr> borked entirely or only themeing?
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<hyperfekt> entirely, same as before
<hyperfekt> on 2.04 it was only the theming that was borked but that might've been caused by any number of things. you had posited that the two are related
<samueldr> they could have been
<samueldr> but if it works now I guess they weren't
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<pie_> the keyboard layout makey people do lots of heatmap stuff i think
<drakonis> eyJhb: regarding packaging for guix, i think that the lisp syntax made it easier for me, as i didnt need to pick up an esoteric syntax
<drakonis> lower mental overhead
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<hyperfekt> haha i just tried for like an hour to make use of the store paths from that iso that won't boot to build the next one
<hyperfekt> i gave up
<hyperfekt> chroot nix-store --load-db seems like it should've done the trick but apparently it doesn't