gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<abathur> anyone recall seeing any attempts at measuring the most-common commands in open-source shell scripts?
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<abathur> the closest hits I have are https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.08979.pdf and https://arxiv.org/pdf/2012.10206.pdf, though in both cases they're collecting commands towards some more specific end
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<eyJhb> I found another Nix user in the wild. Today is a amazing d ay.
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<eyJhb> Anyone have a dunst config I can rip?
<das_j> shortcuts may be borked, not sure
<eyJhb> Thanks das_j :D
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<thibm> rfcs#42: this is indeed bikeshedding, but using the `!` character in a command line is a terrible idea (`*` too, but `!` is worse)
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/42 (by Infinisil, 2 years ago, merged): [RFC 0042] NixOS settings options
<thibm> I meant rfcs#92
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/92 (by Ericson2314, 2 weeks ago, open): [RFC 0092] Computed derivations and hydra-safe IFD
<thibm> I wanted to drop a commment but the author specifically claimed that this point is subject to bikeshedding :D (so the RFC does not need to be fixed AFAIU) and that would be noise.
<eyJhb> ,ping
<{^_^}> pong
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<joepie91> ... I'm so confused.
<joepie91> there's a flake.nix in a Lodash package on npm?
<joepie91> but not in the Git repo?
<__monty__> .gitignore?
<joepie91> doesn't seem to be in there
<joepie91> it didn't exist in previous releases either, and neither did a clearly hastily-written set of personal notes on how to do a lodash release
<joepie91> I think someone messed up a release and accidentally published some personal utilities
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<samueldr> pro-tip: if you have a laptop on top of another one, and it seems to randomly suspend
<samueldr> it's most likely the magnet from the other laptop's screen activating the lid close detection
<hodapp> hmmmm
<adisbladis> I have a friend with a magnet operated in to his finger
<adisbladis> He has that problem sometimes
<samueldr> it's not something new, I already knew about it, but today I yet again fell for it
<joepie91> samueldr: you win today's cursed tech problem
<hodapp> why... has he a magnet in his finger
<adisbladis> hodapp: Why not?
<adisbladis> You can feel magnetic fields
<samueldr> sense augmentation
<adisbladis> It's pretty cool
<cole-h> if he gets raided by the police, he can wipe all his disks in seconds flat
<adisbladis> lol
<samueldr> cole-h: SSDs?
<adisbladis> cole-h: Last I heard he was homeless though
<cole-h> samueldr: He has a hammer on his other hand
<adisbladis> So hard to raid
<hodapp> :|
<samueldr> hard to RAID?
<adisbladis> That too
<cole-h> 👉😎👉
<samueldr> but magnets near a hard drive is probably not much of an issue, as long as it's not in the class of, or really, stronger than the magnets that already are inside the drive
<samueldr> and uh... I wouldn't want a magnet that strong in a limb!
<adisbladis> Not that big either
<adisbladis> Iirc it's pretty much the same strength, just tiny
<samueldr> yeah, I didn't mean the absolute uh... unit... for whatever it really is, but the total strength including its "mass"
<samueldr> since it's one of those inverse root square (or something along the line), a small distance for a small size magnet means it lost so much power
<samueldr> oh, similarly, if you have a fancy phone case that can turn off the screen of the phone
<samueldr> it might be magnet-activated
<samueldr> so having your phone near the computer can make it look haunted!
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<lovesegfault> ,locate bin zenity
<{^_^}> Found in packages: gnome3.zenity
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<colemickens> my ssh agent temp paths have XXXX in them everytime
<colemickens> ex /tmp/ssh-XXXXRCK7E5/
<colemickens> is that even something I could've messed with? it looks like a mktemp -d template almost?
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<abathur> it does, there's a platform quirk here or something iirc
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<abathur> colemickens: nixpkgs#111091 and nix#4491 touch on some corners of it that may be enough to figure out where it goes awry
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/111091 (by gurjeet, 14 weeks ago, closed): `mktemp -p x -t yX` broken
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nix/pull/4491 (by jamesottaway, 14 weeks ago, merged): Shorten `mktemp` flag for macOS
<abathur> despite having had to research it to answer one of those, it was in-one-ear and out the other :]
<colemickens> oh huh. thanks!
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<cole-h> wooooooooooooo
<cole-h> can't get a GPU, but got myself a PS5
<samueldr> cole-h: sorry, but you bought a shoe sole
<samueldr> it's the old Playstation®5 Con
<cole-h> darn, I got Con'd
<cole-h> :P
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<adisbladis> That's pretty cheap for a con though
<joepie91> though expensive for a sole
<cole-h> adisbladis: direct from PS
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<cole-h> I also preordered the new Ratchet and Clank because holy amazeballs it looks so good
<cole-h> I played some as a kid at a neighbors place, but never owned a PlayStation before
<cole-h> much excite
<samueldr> cole-h: how are you even going to make sense of the story, if you never played playstation 1, 2, 3 and 4 before?
<cole-h> haha
<adisbladis> I got myself a ps4 when that was pretty new
<adisbladis> Then proceeded not to have a home where I could use it for the next few years :P
<adisbladis> cole-h: I guess there isn't too much in they way of AAA exclusives yet?
<cole-h> not yet
<cole-h> but now I can play TLoU 1 and 2. I've wanted to play those for a long time.
<adisbladis> cole-h: Wait...
<adisbladis> You haven't played _any_ PS games before?
<adisbladis> What I wouldn't give for playing Uncharted again for the very first time...
<adisbladis> The whole series
<cole-h> I've played a few at the aforementioned neighbor's house (think Infamous, some of the older R&C games). But otherwise, no, the only real console we ever had was the Wii
<adisbladis> And Uncharted 4 + Lost Legacy are absolutely stunning
<adisbladis> Still haven't played TLoU2 :/
<cole-h> The new R&C and the eventually-upcoming FF7R Part 2 are why I'm most interested
<adisbladis> cole-h: Spiderman!!
<adisbladis> Also gorgeous
<adisbladis> And tons of fun
<cole-h> I got the miles morales one with the console so I'd have something to play when (if) it shows up :P
<cole-h> When I was in the checkout screen, I was doubting myself... But just looking at Miles Morales ganeplay, I'm glad I pulled the trigger.
<__monty__> R&C need to bring back the ads.
<__monty__> One of the few ads you'd just go looking for : )
<drakonis> https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2020/grafts-continued/ hmm, regarding the cool as heck ifd rfc posted yesterday, this seems like an entirely valid next step
<cole-h> (R&C GameSpot coverage)
<adisbladis> drakonis: I gotta say I don't like grafts..
<adisbladis> It's a super weird escape hatch from functional purity
<adisbladis> I think we're much better served by CAS
<drakonis> well, the point wasnt being an escape hatch, was it?
<adisbladis> That's not the point but AFAIK that's the mechanism
<adisbladis> While with CAS we can get (pretty much) the efficiency of grafts while retaining full purity
<drakonis> hmm, i'd like to see it in action
<drakonis> that'd be quite excellent to use
<__monty__> How does CAS provide security updates without rebuilding the world?
<drakonis> also that
<__monty__> I don't think you can maintain nix's purity if you want to be able to do that.
<MichaelRaskin> CAS is already breaking purity
<drakonis> purity is an ideal
<MichaelRaskin> Minimum CAS requires self-reference rewriting
<drakonis> i suppose
<__monty__> Does that break purity though?
<MichaelRaskin> Which is already impossible to do with full reliabilityy
<__monty__> Same input, same outpt.
<MichaelRaskin> On one hand yes, on the other hand what is correct and what isn't now depends on whatever things like rewriter but not just on the builds
<adisbladis> MichaelRaskin: You're a smart person :)
<adisbladis> What's your take on grafts?
<MichaelRaskin> If you believe you rewriter actually works, you can just as well also rewrite dependency references
<MichaelRaskin> (I believe rewriters mostly kind of work, but with annoying edge case failures)
<MichaelRaskin> Note that Nixpkgs already has replaceDependency if you believe in rewriters
<MichaelRaskin> Note that it does not violate immutability
<MichaelRaskin> And grafts seem to be the same thing (only managed in an overlay-like fashion)
<adisbladis> MichaelRaskin: For clarity you mean the same thing as replaceDependency?
<__monty__> adisbladis: Which part of grafts does CAS cover?
<MichaelRaskin> adisbladis: yes
<MichaelRaskin> __monty__: well, grafts say you can avoid rebuild and just copy and rewrite dependency references
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<MichaelRaskin> CAS needs reference rewriting anyway, and so it is likely to do this by default after some time
<MichaelRaskin> If your dependency has changed, but has not changed modulo dependency references, you are not rebuild but just copied and dependency-rewritten
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<colemickens> what's the nixos/linux-y way of changing VSCodium to launch with the extra args it needs for wayland? Can I "drop-in" override a desktop file or something?
<colemickens> yeah, I have something like that, I seem to lose the desktop entry with both methods though
<cole-h> hm, do you link the desktop file in that overlay?
<cole-h> (I wish it respected the ~/.config/chromium-flags or whatever file)