gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<lovesegfault> Nope :D
<lovesegfault> It's going to be my music server, so I don't want it making noise next to all my audio equipment & where I listen to music
<lovesegfault> I got this case: https://www.quietpc.com/st-fc10-alpha (silver)
<samueldr> red goes faster
<samueldr> all of their cases are wonderful to look at https://streacom.com/products/chassis/
<lovesegfault> Yeah they are super nice
<lovesegfault> My build will also have no moving parts
<lovesegfault> I got 8TB's worth of SSDs :P
<lovesegfault> 9 if you count the PCIe 4 m.2 one
<cole-h> My package that was coming Tuesday is now coming Wednesday, as it's sat all weekend in Columbus, Ohio :(
<lovesegfault> cole-h: my stuff is all delayed too
<cole-h> Amazon lied to me :(
<lovesegfault> viins ❯ gopass list --flat | wc -l
<lovesegfault> 207
<lovesegfault> honestly how does anyone live without a password manager
<colemickens> insecurely
<cole-h> vin@scadrial ~> passrs ls | wc -l
<cole-h> 815
<lovesegfault> cole-h: is it listing right?
<cole-h> Wait
<cole-h> Yeah
<lovesegfault> like, one password per line
<cole-h> vin@scadrial ~> passrs find . | wc -l
<cole-h> 388
<cole-h> There we go
<colemickens> > gopass list --flat | wc -l
<colemickens> 616
<{^_^}> error: syntax error, unexpected $undefined, expecting ')', at (string):318:20
<colemickens> It kinda stresses me out
<cole-h> https://youtu.be/mJR6XSSKi-g Jamming rn
<lovesegfault> colemickens: goddamn that's a lot of passwords
<colemickens> I `less`d them and they're legit. I have a few CC/drivers license type notes, and a handful of API keys, but it's just a lot of accounts. :|
<colemickens> fwiw I always opt for user/pass over google/microsoft/github auth if possible, that might contribute some?
<lovesegfault> Right,I do the same
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<bqv> Ditto
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<bqv> Tried using a user patch for subsurfaces to get firefox working on velox
<bqv> The result looked like a seizure prompt :D
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<bqv> colemickens: ignore my request btw
<bqv> Although, I think you already did
<colemickens> The request to try Nyxt? I am still rebuilding to test (I'm bumping Mesa too)
<colemickens> well, I tried copying it from you but I dont' think I did whatever it needs to escape sandbox and probably won't :s
<bqv> colemickens: you can just use --option sandbox false
<bqv> Rather than edit nix.conf
<bqv> I have it working now on wayland, with the random crash bug fixed
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<colemickens> the copy in your nixrc? I thought I saw a flake for nyxt for a second...
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<bqv> Hah, I'm not making them a flake. They can sort out their shit and then go play with nixpkgs maintainers. My derivation is just to workaround them being intransigent
<bqv> I just offered so you don't go through the same faff
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<colemickens> okay, sounds good. I have enough fiddling going on and things to chase down, I might have to save nyxt for another day
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<ashkitten> it's weird how so often packaging something with nix is the easiest way to get it to work on nixos
<ashkitten> i'm not sure if that's good or bad
<ashkitten> probably bad for people who don't want to spend the time packaging something
<ashkitten> hmmmmm maybe we should have a dotnet build hook
<ashkitten> i duplicated most of the derivation i was working off, when i started packaging this dotnet program
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<ashkitten> gross
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<Ashy> ashkitten: you should send a PR to nixpkgs to add the package
<ashkitten> Ashy: what package?
<Ashy> whatever one you just got working
<ashkitten> it's too niche
<Ashy> lies
<Ashy> until nixpkgs has something like the AUR basically everything foss that's packaged up belongs in nixpkgs
<ashkitten> i don't care to overwhelm reviewers with overly niche packages
<ashkitten> we literally have the NUR
<Ashy> oh right, nice
<Ashy> havent used that yet
<ashkitten> which i could probably add this to, but i haven't bothered to look into the NUR really
<Ashy> should do to stop someone having to duplicate the effort again later
<ashkitten> meh, it'll be in my nixos-config repo
<ashkitten> if someone comes around talking about using BeatSyncConsole on nixos i guess i'll show them that
<ashkitten> i'd be more likely to offer the nix expression as a pr to the project itself
<aleph-> ashkitten: Yeah it can be annoying. For the longest time I just used docker for stuff out of laziness
<cole-h> When my new keyboard comes in in N days, I think I wanna try a new layout... Which ones should I look into experimenting with? Dvorak and Colemak seem fairly popular/interesting. Any others?
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<srhb> Ah, they already have a status up.
<samueldr> it was retweeted by @fakeunicode for obvious reasons
<srhb> Yeah :D
<samueldr> >> ���We are investigating reports of degraded performance and increased error rates.”.
<srhb> Beautiful :P
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<ar> github's been surprisingly unreliable these couple of months
<ar> these last*
<srhb> Dunno, feels much the same to me. It's just timing whether I notice it or not :P
<samueldr> hm, just found a neat way to add notes on top of a WIP branch in git, make an empty commit and use the commit message for notes
<ashkitten> how do you make at empty commit?
<samueldr> carefully
<samueldr> git commit --allow-empty
<samueldr> without changes staged obviously
<ashkitten> ah
<ashkitten> i keep wanting things to happen
<ashkitten> i think i'm bored
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<sphalerite> samueldr: there's also https://git-scm.com/docs/git-notes
<samueldr> interesting, especially for format-patch
<samueldr> ah, as I thought, git notes are "kind of local"
<samueldr> not first class citizen of push/pulls
<samueldr> still good to know for format-patch
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<polezaivsani> Good monday to you all, my fellow Nixers!
<eyJhb> polezaivsani:You too!
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<gchristensen> I _think_ I might ditch dvorak this week.
<eyJhb> Why gchristensen ?
<gchristensen> too many remote systems: rescue consoles, VNC's, RDP's, etc.
<FRidh> how much do you truly gain by using dvorak when you're not really writing elaborate texts but mostly snippets or in the shell?
<ixxie> I think we should adopt 'stay frosty' as a community saying :D
<Taneb> Bad idea: adapt the language to the keyboard layout
<Taneb> Now F and H are the most common characters in English
<eyJhb> gchristensen: have you forgotten qwerty ?
<eyJhb> :p
<gchristensen> FRidh: I think zero
<gchristensen> eyJhb: nah... I can adjust to qwerty and back in about 10 minutes of dedicated use
<eyJhb> Well, I quite like how the keys are laied out, but it takes some getting used to. But it is also just how ,. etc. is
<eyJhb> But also because I can actually use the 10 finger system while I use dvorak
<eyJhb> :p
<adisbladis> I remember when switching to dvorak
<adisbladis> I had wrist issues before on qwerty that gradually disappeared
<gchristensen> whoa with NetworkManager, you can set connections as being metered. I wonder if I could use this as a signal to disable backup sends.
<talyz> I learned to touch-type on dvorak, so I think it's too late to switch back
<elvishjerricco> A friend of mine was a terrible typist and wanted to learn to type better. I suggested dvorak, which he liked a lot better than qwerty, but now he can't type on anything else and that's been a major problem for him. So I feel bad :P
<elvishjerricco> Like he found a laptop he really wanted but it didn't have a dvorak option
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<gchristensen> elvishjerricco: meh, he could learn like everybody else :P
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<gchristensen> "Disable Authentication (expermiental)" everything about this is amazing
<elvishjerricco> gchristensen: I guess learning multiple keyboard layouts is similar to learning multiple spoken languages :P
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<philipp[m]> I found it more frustrating. With new languages, you learn something objectively new. With new Keyboard layouts, you are doing exactly what you've been doing before but slower and more awkward.
<adisbladis> elvishjerricco: If you learn to touch type you don't need a "dvorak option"
<infinisil> elvishjerricco: Yeah ^^, I actually don't have any markings on my keyboard at all, it's all just blank keys :P
<infinisil> (which also gets you some geek points when others see it lol)
<elvishjerricco> infinisil: That's one way to do it :P
<philipp[m]> Same. Pure black keyboards are just pretty.
<srhb> Someone cancelled summer and installed ????-season. Best description so far is "cold, but warm." I don't know what to make of it.
<immae> I don’t complain about cold-but-warm since it could quite easily be deadly-warm instead
<srhb> I think I agree. I'm just weirded out. :P
<ixxie> srhb: it's tempremental weather
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<gchristensen> I don't want to leave dvorak :(
<infinisil> gchristensen: Do you have to?
<gchristensen> pretty much
<gchristensen> I'm in a matryoshka doll worth of VNC and RDP and every layer imposes qwerty on me
<cole-h> Is your keyboard only dvorak at the software level, not firmware?
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> because my laptop's keyboard is not dvorak at the firmare
<cole-h> F.
<cole-h> That's why my next keyboard is QMK... so I can get the layout how I want, everywhere.
<infinisil> gchristensen: Where specifically can you not use dvorak?
<gchristensen> it isn't *can't*
* cole-h has caps2esc, but it's in software, so it doesn't work when in his Windows VM and ends up toggling caps lock
<adisbladis> I wonder if I still have my custom windows dvorak
<gchristensen> I'm using emacs via: nixos sway -> rdp -> windows 10 -> vnc -> transient linux machine which forgets settings regularly
<adisbladis> That one remapped ctrl too
<gchristensen> and every layer of this must be perfectly configured for dvorak to work
<infinisil> Ahh..
<cole-h> gchristensen: Which keyboard do you have? I wonder if it's possible to setup QMK on it to get dvorak in firmware...
<adisbladis> gchristensen: I'm sure you just forgot to sacrifice the goat
<gchristensen> cole-h: in this case, Dell XPS 13's internal keyboard
<infinisil> Yeah I've had trouble before when using web consoles for VPS's
<cole-h> Ohhh
<cole-h> Ouch :(
<infinisil> For which I needed to enable dvorak on the VPS and switch to quertz on my local machine to have dvorak fully work
<cole-h> Microchip-implant-based-keyboard when?
<infinisil> I mean technically, shouldn't it be possible to have a software layer that emulates a quert(z|y) keyboard?
<adisbladis> Surely this can't be such a hard problem
* adisbladis goes off on a multi-year research project
<Valodim> just flash emacs on your keyboard
<gchristensen> lol
<infinisil> This sounds like it might be the solution ^
<gchristensen> oh dear
<gchristensen> whoa
<infinisil> I am very tempted to try this myself now
<gchristensen> `nix-shell -p gnome3.networkmanagerapplet --run nm-<tab>` should use command-not-found (and subtract programs available in the parent shell) to auto-complete newly available programs
<cole-h> +`
<cole-h> +1
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<colemickens> Has an alternative nix-daemon implementation ever been written?
<lovesegfault> good morning fam
<infinisil> Just created another mail sieve rule for marking all mails not addressed to me as spam
<infinisil> Should get rid of undisclosed-recipients spam
<gchristensen> it is so glorious that in C a truthy value indicates failure
<drakonis> colemickens: a very good question
<cole-h> Early-days guix? ;)
<drakonis> guix still uses the daemon as is
<drakonis> with C
* cole-h doesn't actually know if they implemented the daemon
<drakonis> it hasnt finished moving every part to guile yet
<cole-h> o
<drakonis> they were trying to do it, but it moves in a snail's pace
<drakonis> at a snail's pace
<cole-h> I suppose a related question is: does nix-daemon have a spec that would make it easier to make an alternative implementation?
<drakonis> that'd be desirable
<cole-h> And maybe part of the reason why there is no alternative impl yet.
<drakonis> nix-daemon prime and then implementations that may or may not bring other interesting features
<infinisil> drakonis: Didn't guix make changes to the nix daemon?
<drakonis> nothing significant as far as i'm aware
<drakonis> it stopped being compatible due to the slow move to guile
<drakonis> changes that may have come from the port
<drakonis> how would a nix daemon spec be like anyways?
<bqv> gchristensen: that situation is actually why i really considered using dvorak as an emacs input-method only
<infinisil> drakonis: The data protocol interface, which bytes do what
<bqv> especially because then i can even keep my vim muscle memory, and i'm permanently trained in qwerty
<bqv> also, success: failure
<drakonis> hmm
<drakonis> that'd be interesting
<cole-h> I'm considering switching to Colemak (mostly unrelated to the name similarity) when my new keyboard comes in.
<bqv> lmao
<bqv> excellent coincidence
<bqv> wait, don't you also use a mac
<__monty__> Fwiw, I kinda prefer vim's defaults with dvorak.
<cole-h> bqv: I don't :P
<bqv> __monty__: reasonable, but because in most situations my vim muscle-mem might be useful will be qwerty, i'd rather keep it so
<cole-h> Would be funny
<bqv> heh, yeah
<drakonis> infinisil: when i was thinking about the standard, i thought about how to deal with some implementations coming with some interesting features
<drakonis> but its likely not relevant
<drakonis> guix could potentially abuse lisp features in such ways that it could do some fairly impressive tricks
<infinisil> Such as?
<bqv> you could ship code directly from the client to the daemon :D
<drakonis> i think they were going for a sticky bit setup
<drakonis> get rid of the daemon
<bqv> i'm not sure how i feel about that idea
<drakonis> the core devs do a lot of hpc work
<drakonis> so guix has been largely driven by that
<infinisil> drakonis: You aren't thinking of hermes for the sticky bit thing?
<drakonis> no, guix does that
<infinisil> hermes at least does that too then
<drakonis> yeah
<drakonis> i'll try to look up more data
<drakonis> ah right
<drakonis> its setuid
<drakonis> how's hermes doing by the way?
<colemickens> I wish there were more overlap in nix/guix communities and maybe even more containery folks. Some similar concerns/goals.
<infinisil> drakonis: It doesn't look like guix wants to get rid of the daemon from that post
<drakonis> looks like the initial burst of activity has died down
<drakonis> i'll ask on irc about it
<bqv> colemickens: i think the absolute extent of the overlap is my guix flake, lol
<bqv> other than that we seem to just be drifting apart
<infinisil> I do like guix as a competitor with Nix
<infinisil> Because it motivates us to improve things, or take inspiration
<bqv> Definitely good
<sphalerite> gchristensen: not necessarily! Sometimes the truthiness of a value is completely irrelevant to failure, and the sign bit is what indicates failure, while the falsy value 0 is an empty success! :D
<gchristensen> happy day!
<drakonis> dont think i'll actually find out where i heard it from
<drakonis> it has been a while
<drakonis> guix devs have been around giving out talks about it in science
<drakonis> this one doesn't appear to be very different from the fosdem slides
<drakonis> honestly, the value of working together would be to improve to improve where either parties lack
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<drakonis> hm, in other news, there's another distribution by the creator of solus linux
<drakonis> appears to be somewhat interesting
<drakonis> if not lofty
<samueldr> and no link to it
<drakonis> there is no link
<samueldr> where did you learn about it then?
<drakonis> there
<samueldr> ah, so there's a link for more details :)
<drakonis> ah so it does have a website
<drakonis> and irc
<sphalerite> infinisil: idk, I think there's no lack of inspiration or motivation to improve things, just energy. And in that respect I guess it's actually less good that both projects are working on things separately?
<sphalerite> if this were a marketplace and nix and guix were competing on market share and rewarded for having more market share, sure, that would drive innovation/improvement on both sides. But I don't really see that model applying here.
<colemickens> maybe this should be obvious, but will hydra build a flake? or if I utilize flake-compat I ought to be able to coerce it?
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<gchristensen> it will
<gchristensen> hydra has the notion of job types, where "flake" is a choice
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<sphalerite> Idea: group options by module for https://nixos.org/nixos/manual/options.html to split it into separate pages per module.
<samueldr> sphalerite: define "module"
<sphalerite> samueldr: module file in nixos/modules
<infinisil> We could use the module-list.nix for this
<samueldr> right, sometimes some definitions under, let's say, boot.loader are not all defined in the same file
<samueldr> also, this page is going away and will be replaced by https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-search/issues soon™
<samueldr> and I think it's already something that's being considered with the new way the data is setup IIRC the small discussion
<sphalerite> samueldr: are you sure you're thinking of the page I linked?
<samueldr> sphalerite: no I'm not
<samueldr> you're right
<samueldr> I missed the /manual/ in there
<samueldr> and I guess you mean separate html pages too
<sphalerite> yes
<samueldr> neat
<sphalerite> infinisil: it's already generated from the modules and each option "knows" where it's defined, so that's not the issue :p
<samueldr> the only issue I see is that some options will not sit next to their "siblings" as in option names
<samueldr> but they will sit next to their "siblings" as in where they are defined
<samueldr> I guess that as long as there is still an index with the full list it is workable
<sphalerite> ooh, the new search is neat
<sphalerite> I knew there was something in the works but hadn't tried it yet
<sphalerite> though I think I prefer it just displaying the options as you type over the prefix completion thing
<samueldr> it's a limitation of the backend as far as I've been made aware
<samueldr> I have been testing it, but not really involved in the technical details
<sphalerite> it confuses me a lot, typing "sound" and pressing enter will get the "actual results" before the suggestions arrive..?
<samueldr> different queries
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<samueldr> suggestions are sent to elasticsearch debounced with typing in what is a balance of too many queries and too long of a delay
<samueldr> the way it is done on the current site, with a complete client-side index has other tradeoffs
<samueldr> but one of the benefit is instant search
<ivan> people developing Rust on NixOS may appreciate this openssl crate fix https://github.com/launchbadge/sqlx/issues/473#issuecomment-655517309
<joepie91> samueldr: that search seems a lot slower 😡
<joepie91> :/ *
<joepie91> accidental wrong emoji, lol
<samueldr> joepie91: for options, definitely
<samueldr> for packages, it's a tradeoff on the initial load which can be bad in some situations
<joepie91> I never did understand why the initial load is so slow to begin with
<samueldr> for packages?
<samueldr> because it loads the whole package set
<joepie91> yeah
<joepie91> sure?
<samueldr> yes sure
<joepie91> but it isn't like, 10 million entries, AFAIK
<samueldr> if you can do better, please do
<joepie91> will give it a shot
<samueldr> though I guess it's a bit late considering that it's a given that search.nixos.org replaces it
<joepie91> there don't seem to be cache headers on the package dataset, for starters
<joepie91> or rather, it says no cache
<joepie91> so it is not surprising then that the initial load time would be long :)
<gchristensen> the dataset isn't very cachable
<joepie91> it only changes when a channel advances, no?
<samueldr> I don't know since the change to netlify about that
<samueldr> or uh, to S3
<samueldr> but *initial* load is not worse
<samueldr> now, cached loads, I think experience differs
<samueldr> when the switch was made, before S3, I think things were good
<samueldr> I don't think I validated with S3
<sphalerite> it also shouldn't usually change, even on channel advances, in stable channels.
<samueldr> sphalerite: version numbers don't increase?
<joepie91> welp
<joepie91> so much for quickly throwing together a proof of concept
<joepie91> my dev tool is stuck in a boot loop...
<joepie91> guess I won't be doing that then
<samueldr> joepie91: just saying too that some of the decisions taken in the design (programming) of the package search hinged on limitations that are now different
<joepie91> yeah, honestly this isn't a high-personal-investment criticism from me
<joepie91> figured I could throw together a demo in 30 minutes but if my tools are going to misbehave, I lost interest :)
<joepie91> definitely wasn't planning on fixing tool 30 minutes before bed
<joepie91> fixing tooling*
<samueldr> and changing the data of the format might have been going against some of the limitations :)
* samueldr can't even english right today
<joepie91> also my Firefox is now broken so this is going great
<samueldr> I've been stuck for ~5 minutes finding words :(
<joepie91> yeah I think I'm just going to bed
<joepie91> frustration with tech is bad for sleep
<samueldr> good bedding!
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<joepie91> goodnight :P
<sphalerite> samueldr: version numbers of what?
<samueldr> software
<samueldr> about the *packages* search
<sphalerite> oooh right ok
<sphalerite> I was thinking of the options search
<samueldr> though options sometimes do change too, e.g. documentation fixes
<samueldr> but less critical yeah
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<__monty__> Sure, but it's getting one of the form <Popen object; 129837s2th34eu283>
<__monty__> Whoops, wrong channel.
<bqv> the emacs pgtk fork came with the disclaimer that sometimes closing a frame would crash the entire server. i've not experienced that, interestingly, but what i have experienced is random other crashes that i can't quite diagnose
<bqv> cole-h: you also use this, right?
<sphalerite> bqv: I use it too, haven't experienced any random crashes though as far as I remember
<bqv> but do you have the crash on frame-close?
<sphalerite> bqv: the only crashes I've had have been when sway crashed and the wayland connection was lost, other than that none I think
<bqv> hm, okay
<bqv> guess this is just a feature of me horribly merging two forks
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<cole-h> I haven't seen any random crashes, nor frame-closing-induced crashes.
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<cole-h> https://www.ups.com/us/en/shipping/services/domestic/2nd-day-air.page "Guaranteed two-day delivery to every address throughout the continental U.S. and Puerto Rico"
<cole-h> And yet my package has been in Ohio since the 10th 🤔
<abathur> anyone seen how far they can push gh actions before they start hitting API limits and such?
<samueldr> UPS guarantees are not guaranteed
<samueldr> at least circa 2015 that was the line
<cole-h> Heh
<samueldr> I had to go through the store where I bought the thing to get them to do a refund
<samueldr> luckily it's a big operation and it looked like it was a common instance
<cole-h> https://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/79.0b1/SHA512SUMS Where did this b'......' for the hashes come from and why >:(
<samueldr> what I learned through that is that UPS is not useful for shipping things
<samueldr> cole-h: probably b'cause'
<cole-h> samueldr: I wish I had a choice... If only Amazon still used FedEx
<samueldr> heh :)
<samueldr> I meant, if I ever needed to ship something
<samueldr> I know how painful it is when you have to buy and have no choice
<samueldr> UPS also is scary if it's an international purchase
<samueldr> because they'll tack ~300% fees on top of the customs declaration they do for you
<cole-h> If the Massdrop CTRL was available anywhere else, I'd get it from there. But only Amazon had them (I didn't want to wait for the current group buy to end in 2 months and then ship out a month later)
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<samueldr> you don't need to justify yourself :)
<samueldr> in my experience the only non-troublesome shipper has been the postal services
<cole-h> What if I want to? >:)
<samueldr> in customs fee they are legally mandated to only add 5.95$ max as processing and fees
<samueldr> while others are legally mandated to allow you to make your own declarations, but don't provide the tools to do so
<infinisil> Oof, new doc format RFC rfcs#72 going entirely not the direction all shepherds of rfcs#64 agreed to..
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/72 (by mboes, 11 hours ago, open): [RFC 0072] Switch to CommonMark for documentation
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/64 (by Infinisil, 27 weeks ago, closed): [RFC 0064] New Documentation Format for nixpkgs and NixOS
<infinisil> And domen isn't making an RFC for ReST now :/
<bkv> :|
<infinisil> Yet there's already discussion in 72 about what we should fall back to when inevitably commonmark isn't good enough
<cole-h> F
<bkv> ReST, maybe?
<bkv> :p
<gchristensen> ReST is on track to become the replacement by default, because if it fails nix.dev will just be the docs
<cole-h> Touched up my ASCII art of a keyboard with box drawing chars: https://i.imgur.com/zy6G9I5.png
<cole-h> Old ASCII version: https://i.imgur.com/4T3YSUL.png
<bkv> D:
<bkv> monospace?
<cole-h> idk why changing the monospace font in Firefox does jack squat
<bkv> raw mode should be monospace by default, i think
<cole-h> Looks the same because it's some cursed mix of IPAGothic, Bitstream Vera Sans Mono, and DejaVu Sans
<cole-h> idek why
<bkv> :D
<cole-h> fontconfig needs to be replaced with something that's not as headache-inducing to write.
<cole-h> Or debug
<bkv> nix can generate xml, right? :p
<cole-h> Doesn't make it any more fun to figure out what settings to change
<cole-h> to get the desired effect
<bkv> hm, fair
<bkv> i haven't touched the fontconfig xml much, i presumed someone familiar enough with it could make a nice nix interface
<cole-h> I wish JetBrains Mono had more symbols, so it wouldn't fall back to emoji...
<gchristensen> I wish networkmanager had fanciness to put interfaces and whatnot in to different namespaces
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<cole-h> samueldr: So that above question about b'....' was spurred by https://github.com/mozilla/nixpkgs-mozilla/issues/231
<{^_^}> mozilla/nixpkgs-mozilla#231 (by cole-h, 1 day ago, open): Cannot use latest.firefox-beta-bin, list index 0 is out of bounds
<cole-h> I can use beta Firefox again, thus fixing RES, thus making my life just that much more bearable
<colemickens> :| did that change not affect the nightly shas or what?
<colemickens> I don't understand how I didn't hit that?
<cole-h> No, Nightly's shas are fine somehow
<cole-h> Oh
<cole-h> It doesn't verify I think
<cole-h> Or rather, I don't see any way for it to verify nightly checksums (not published anywhere from what I can see)
<cole-h> jk found it
<cole-h> Looks like a totally different format lol
<cole-h> *is
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<cole-h> https://i.imgur.com/oCfOLjN.png AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
<infinisil> cole-h: Whatcha getting?
<cole-h> Massdrop CTRL
<cole-h> (Mechanical keyboard)
<cole-h> I've been messing with its firmware for a few days now, just preparing for when it finally arrives.
<infinisil> I see :D