<lovesegfault>
colemickens: goddamn that's a lot of passwords
<colemickens>
I `less`d them and they're legit. I have a few CC/drivers license type notes, and a handful of API keys, but it's just a lot of accounts. :|
<colemickens>
fwiw I always opt for user/pass over google/microsoft/github auth if possible, that might contribute some?
<lovesegfault>
Right,I do the same
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<bqv>
Ditto
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<bqv>
Tried using a user patch for subsurfaces to get firefox working on velox
<bqv>
The result looked like a seizure prompt :D
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<bqv>
colemickens: ignore my request btw
<bqv>
Although, I think you already did
<colemickens>
The request to try Nyxt? I am still rebuilding to test (I'm bumping Mesa too)
<colemickens>
well, I tried copying it from you but I dont' think I did whatever it needs to escape sandbox and probably won't :s
<bqv>
colemickens: you can just use --option sandbox false
<bqv>
Rather than edit nix.conf
<bqv>
I have it working now on wayland, with the random crash bug fixed
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<colemickens>
the copy in your nixrc? I thought I saw a flake for nyxt for a second...
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<bqv>
Hah, I'm not making them a flake. They can sort out their shit and then go play with nixpkgs maintainers. My derivation is just to workaround them being intransigent
<bqv>
I just offered so you don't go through the same faff
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<colemickens>
okay, sounds good. I have enough fiddling going on and things to chase down, I might have to save nyxt for another day
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<ashkitten>
it's weird how so often packaging something with nix is the easiest way to get it to work on nixos
<ashkitten>
i'm not sure if that's good or bad
<ashkitten>
probably bad for people who don't want to spend the time packaging something
<ashkitten>
hmmmmm maybe we should have a dotnet build hook
<ashkitten>
i duplicated most of the derivation i was working off, when i started packaging this dotnet program
<Ashy>
ashkitten: you should send a PR to nixpkgs to add the package
<ashkitten>
Ashy: what package?
<Ashy>
whatever one you just got working
<ashkitten>
it's too niche
<Ashy>
lies
<Ashy>
until nixpkgs has something like the AUR basically everything foss that's packaged up belongs in nixpkgs
<ashkitten>
i don't care to overwhelm reviewers with overly niche packages
<ashkitten>
we literally have the NUR
<Ashy>
oh right, nice
<Ashy>
havent used that yet
<ashkitten>
which i could probably add this to, but i haven't bothered to look into the NUR really
<Ashy>
should do to stop someone having to duplicate the effort again later
<ashkitten>
meh, it'll be in my nixos-config repo
<ashkitten>
if someone comes around talking about using BeatSyncConsole on nixos i guess i'll show them that
<ashkitten>
i'd be more likely to offer the nix expression as a pr to the project itself
<aleph->
ashkitten: Yeah it can be annoying. For the longest time I just used docker for stuff out of laziness
<cole-h>
When my new keyboard comes in in N days, I think I wanna try a new layout... Which ones should I look into experimenting with? Dvorak and Colemak seem fairly popular/interesting. Any others?
<FRidh>
how much do you truly gain by using dvorak when you're not really writing elaborate texts but mostly snippets or in the shell?
<ixxie>
I think we should adopt 'stay frosty' as a community saying :D
<Taneb>
Bad idea: adapt the language to the keyboard layout
<Taneb>
Now F and H are the most common characters in English
<eyJhb>
gchristensen: have you forgotten qwerty ?
<eyJhb>
:p
<gchristensen>
FRidh: I think zero
<gchristensen>
eyJhb: nah... I can adjust to qwerty and back in about 10 minutes of dedicated use
<eyJhb>
Well, I quite like how the keys are laied out, but it takes some getting used to. But it is also just how ,. etc. is
<eyJhb>
But also because I can actually use the 10 finger system while I use dvorak
<eyJhb>
:p
<adisbladis>
I remember when switching to dvorak
<adisbladis>
I had wrist issues before on qwerty that gradually disappeared
<gchristensen>
whoa with NetworkManager, you can set connections as being metered. I wonder if I could use this as a signal to disable backup sends.
<talyz>
I learned to touch-type on dvorak, so I think it's too late to switch back
<elvishjerricco>
A friend of mine was a terrible typist and wanted to learn to type better. I suggested dvorak, which he liked a lot better than qwerty, but now he can't type on anything else and that's been a major problem for him. So I feel bad :P
<elvishjerricco>
Like he found a laptop he really wanted but it didn't have a dvorak option
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<gchristensen>
elvishjerricco: meh, he could learn like everybody else :P
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<gchristensen>
"Disable Authentication (expermiental)" everything about this is amazing
<elvishjerricco>
gchristensen: I guess learning multiple keyboard layouts is similar to learning multiple spoken languages :P
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<philipp[m]>
I found it more frustrating. With new languages, you learn something objectively new. With new Keyboard layouts, you are doing exactly what you've been doing before but slower and more awkward.
<adisbladis>
elvishjerricco: If you learn to touch type you don't need a "dvorak option"
<infinisil>
elvishjerricco: Yeah ^^, I actually don't have any markings on my keyboard at all, it's all just blank keys :P
<infinisil>
(which also gets you some geek points when others see it lol)
<elvishjerricco>
infinisil: That's one way to do it :P
<philipp[m]>
Same. Pure black keyboards are just pretty.
<srhb>
Someone cancelled summer and installed ????-season. Best description so far is "cold, but warm." I don't know what to make of it.
<immae>
I don’t complain about cold-but-warm since it could quite easily be deadly-warm instead
<srhb>
I think I agree. I'm just weirded out. :P
<ixxie>
srhb: it's tempremental weather
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<gchristensen>
I don't want to leave dvorak :(
<infinisil>
gchristensen: Do you have to?
<gchristensen>
pretty much
<gchristensen>
I'm in a matryoshka doll worth of VNC and RDP and every layer imposes qwerty on me
<cole-h>
Is your keyboard only dvorak at the software level, not firmware?
<gchristensen>
yeah
<gchristensen>
because my laptop's keyboard is not dvorak at the firmare
<cole-h>
F.
<cole-h>
That's why my next keyboard is QMK... so I can get the layout how I want, everywhere.
<infinisil>
gchristensen: Where specifically can you not use dvorak?
<gchristensen>
it isn't *can't*
* cole-h
has caps2esc, but it's in software, so it doesn't work when in his Windows VM and ends up toggling caps lock
<adisbladis>
I wonder if I still have my custom windows dvorak
<gchristensen>
I'm using emacs via: nixos sway -> rdp -> windows 10 -> vnc -> transient linux machine which forgets settings regularly
<adisbladis>
That one remapped ctrl too
<gchristensen>
and every layer of this must be perfectly configured for dvorak to work
<infinisil>
Ahh..
<cole-h>
gchristensen: Which keyboard do you have? I wonder if it's possible to setup QMK on it to get dvorak in firmware...
<adisbladis>
gchristensen: I'm sure you just forgot to sacrifice the goat
<gchristensen>
cole-h: in this case, Dell XPS 13's internal keyboard
<infinisil>
Yeah I've had trouble before when using web consoles for VPS's
<cole-h>
Ohhh
<cole-h>
Ouch :(
<infinisil>
For which I needed to enable dvorak on the VPS and switch to quertz on my local machine to have dvorak fully work
<cole-h>
Microchip-implant-based-keyboard when?
<infinisil>
I mean technically, shouldn't it be possible to have a software layer that emulates a quert(z|y) keyboard?
<adisbladis>
Surely this can't be such a hard problem
* adisbladis
goes off on a multi-year research project
<infinisil>
This sounds like it might be the solution ^
<gchristensen>
oh dear
<gchristensen>
whoa
<infinisil>
I am very tempted to try this myself now
<gchristensen>
`nix-shell -p gnome3.networkmanagerapplet --run nm-<tab>` should use command-not-found (and subtract programs available in the parent shell) to auto-complete newly available programs
<cole-h>
+`
<cole-h>
+1
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<colemickens>
Has an alternative nix-daemon implementation ever been written?
<lovesegfault>
good morning fam
<infinisil>
Just created another mail sieve rule for marking all mails not addressed to me as spam
<infinisil>
Should get rid of undisclosed-recipients spam
<gchristensen>
it is so glorious that in C a truthy value indicates failure
<drakonis>
colemickens: a very good question
<cole-h>
Early-days guix? ;)
<drakonis>
guix still uses the daemon as is
<drakonis>
with C
* cole-h
doesn't actually know if they implemented the daemon
<drakonis>
it hasnt finished moving every part to guile yet
<cole-h>
o
<drakonis>
they were trying to do it, but it moves in a snail's pace
<drakonis>
at a snail's pace
<cole-h>
I suppose a related question is: does nix-daemon have a spec that would make it easier to make an alternative implementation?
<drakonis>
that'd be desirable
<cole-h>
And maybe part of the reason why there is no alternative impl yet.
<drakonis>
nix-daemon prime and then implementations that may or may not bring other interesting features
<infinisil>
drakonis: Didn't guix make changes to the nix daemon?
<drakonis>
nothing significant as far as i'm aware
<drakonis>
it stopped being compatible due to the slow move to guile
<drakonis>
changes that may have come from the port
<drakonis>
how would a nix daemon spec be like anyways?
<bqv>
gchristensen: that situation is actually why i really considered using dvorak as an emacs input-method only
<infinisil>
drakonis: The data protocol interface, which bytes do what
<bqv>
especially because then i can even keep my vim muscle memory, and i'm permanently trained in qwerty
<bqv>
also, success: failure
<drakonis>
hmm
<drakonis>
that'd be interesting
<cole-h>
I'm considering switching to Colemak (mostly unrelated to the name similarity) when my new keyboard comes in.
<bqv>
lmao
<bqv>
excellent coincidence
<bqv>
wait, don't you also use a mac
<__monty__>
Fwiw, I kinda prefer vim's defaults with dvorak.
<cole-h>
bqv: I don't :P
<bqv>
__monty__: reasonable, but because in most situations my vim muscle-mem might be useful will be qwerty, i'd rather keep it so
<cole-h>
Would be funny
<bqv>
heh, yeah
<drakonis>
infinisil: when i was thinking about the standard, i thought about how to deal with some implementations coming with some interesting features
<drakonis>
but its likely not relevant
<drakonis>
guix could potentially abuse lisp features in such ways that it could do some fairly impressive tricks
<infinisil>
Such as?
<bqv>
you could ship code directly from the client to the daemon :D
<drakonis>
i think they were going for a sticky bit setup
<drakonis>
get rid of the daemon
<bqv>
i'm not sure how i feel about that idea
<drakonis>
the core devs do a lot of hpc work
<drakonis>
so guix has been largely driven by that
<infinisil>
drakonis: You aren't thinking of hermes for the sticky bit thing?
<colemickens>
I wish there were more overlap in nix/guix communities and maybe even more containery folks. Some similar concerns/goals.
<infinisil>
drakonis: It doesn't look like guix wants to get rid of the daemon from that post
<drakonis>
looks like the initial burst of activity has died down
<drakonis>
i'll ask on irc about it
<bqv>
colemickens: i think the absolute extent of the overlap is my guix flake, lol
<bqv>
other than that we seem to just be drifting apart
<infinisil>
I do like guix as a competitor with Nix
<infinisil>
Because it motivates us to improve things, or take inspiration
<bqv>
Definitely good
<sphalerite>
gchristensen: not necessarily! Sometimes the truthiness of a value is completely irrelevant to failure, and the sign bit is what indicates failure, while the falsy value 0 is an empty success! :D
<gchristensen>
happy day!
<drakonis>
dont think i'll actually find out where i heard it from
<drakonis>
it has been a while
<drakonis>
guix devs have been around giving out talks about it in science
<samueldr>
ah, so there's a link for more details :)
<drakonis>
ah so it does have a website
<drakonis>
and irc
<sphalerite>
infinisil: idk, I think there's no lack of inspiration or motivation to improve things, just energy. And in that respect I guess it's actually less good that both projects are working on things separately?
<sphalerite>
if this were a marketplace and nix and guix were competing on market share and rewarded for having more market share, sure, that would drive innovation/improvement on both sides. But I don't really see that model applying here.
<colemickens>
maybe this should be obvious, but will hydra build a flake? or if I utilize flake-compat I ought to be able to coerce it?
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<gchristensen>
it will
<gchristensen>
hydra has the notion of job types, where "flake" is a choice
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<joepie91>
so much for quickly throwing together a proof of concept
<joepie91>
my dev tool is stuck in a boot loop...
<joepie91>
guess I won't be doing that then
<samueldr>
joepie91: just saying too that some of the decisions taken in the design (programming) of the package search hinged on limitations that are now different
<joepie91>
yeah, honestly this isn't a high-personal-investment criticism from me
<joepie91>
figured I could throw together a demo in 30 minutes but if my tools are going to misbehave, I lost interest :)
<joepie91>
definitely wasn't planning on fixing tool 30 minutes before bed
<joepie91>
fixing tooling*
<samueldr>
and changing the data of the format might have been going against some of the limitations :)
* samueldr
can't even english right today
<joepie91>
also my Firefox is now broken so this is going great
<samueldr>
I've been stuck for ~5 minutes finding words :(
<joepie91>
yeah I think I'm just going to bed
<joepie91>
frustration with tech is bad for sleep
<samueldr>
good bedding!
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<joepie91>
goodnight :P
<sphalerite>
samueldr: version numbers of what?
<samueldr>
software
<samueldr>
about the *packages* search
<sphalerite>
oooh right ok
<sphalerite>
I was thinking of the options search
<samueldr>
though options sometimes do change too, e.g. documentation fixes
<samueldr>
but less critical yeah
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<__monty__>
Sure, but it's getting one of the form <Popen object; 129837s2th34eu283>
<__monty__>
Whoops, wrong channel.
<bqv>
the emacs pgtk fork came with the disclaimer that sometimes closing a frame would crash the entire server. i've not experienced that, interestingly, but what i have experienced is random other crashes that i can't quite diagnose
<bqv>
cole-h: you also use this, right?
<sphalerite>
bqv: I use it too, haven't experienced any random crashes though as far as I remember
<bqv>
but do you have the crash on frame-close?
<sphalerite>
bqv: the only crashes I've had have been when sway crashed and the wayland connection was lost, other than that none I think
<bqv>
hm, okay
<bqv>
guess this is just a feature of me horribly merging two forks
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<cole-h>
I haven't seen any random crashes, nor frame-closing-induced crashes.
<samueldr>
what I learned through that is that UPS is not useful for shipping things
<samueldr>
cole-h: probably b'cause'
<cole-h>
samueldr: I wish I had a choice... If only Amazon still used FedEx
<samueldr>
heh :)
<samueldr>
I meant, if I ever needed to ship something
<samueldr>
I know how painful it is when you have to buy and have no choice
<samueldr>
UPS also is scary if it's an international purchase
<samueldr>
because they'll tack ~300% fees on top of the customs declaration they do for you
<cole-h>
If the Massdrop CTRL was available anywhere else, I'd get it from there. But only Amazon had them (I didn't want to wait for the current group buy to end in 2 months and then ship out a month later)
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<samueldr>
you don't need to justify yourself :)
<samueldr>
in my experience the only non-troublesome shipper has been the postal services
<cole-h>
What if I want to? >:)
<samueldr>
in customs fee they are legally mandated to only add 5.95$ max as processing and fees
<samueldr>
while others are legally mandated to allow you to make your own declarations, but don't provide the tools to do so
<infinisil>
Oof, new doc format RFC rfcs#72 going entirely not the direction all shepherds of rfcs#64 agreed to..