<cole-h>
infinisil: Me transferring my windows10 VM disk from my backup to my NixOS system
<cole-h>
Because I forgot to move it over before I wiped the SSD x)
<cole-h>
It was quite literally a second after I had ran nixos-install that I realized: "Oh, I didn't transfer my 400G VM..."
<cole-h>
I maybe could have recovered it since that was all I had done, but I didn't want to risk any corruption, figured it was better to restore from backup.
<infinisil>
I see :o
<gchristensen>
25 insertions, 450 deletion (deleting a shell script to configure ubuntu, adding 25 lines of nixos config)
<energizer>
+1 nixos
<hexa->
-425 nixos
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<colemickens>
cole-h: maybe I should let it go but I still have no idea why on earth that took so long
<colemickens>
that's <1MB/sec right?
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<cole-h>
colemickens: Indeed. I saw it at 1.01MB/s once, though!
<colemickens>
:)
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<JJJollyjim>
i've gotta be able to solder more ram into this laptop, right? :P
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<pie_>
JJJollyjim: iktf
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<eyJhb>
Finally, accounting done for the past two monts
<eyJhb>
months*
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<iqubic>
I wish it were possible to have different tabs in FireFox output their audio to different PulseAudio sinks.
<ar>
iqubic: it isn't? multiple streams in firefox show up here as multiple streams in pavucontrol
<iqubic>
Oh my lord! Thanks for that info! So that's why the number of times FireFox shows up in pavucontrol seemed random to me. I love knowing this.
<ar>
it would be nicer if that was configurable from inside firefox
<iqubic>
I agree.
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<gchristensen>
and the stream is deleted and recreated when you pause / play, I think
<__monty__>
gchristensen: That might've been for a different channel?
<gchristensen>
no, its for iqubic / ar
<__monty__>
Oh, ok, makes sense.
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<pie_>
the annoying thing is youre going to have to create as many sinks as you need
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<cole-h>
IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIVE!!!
* pie_
watches as 70% of his issues slowly get stale notifications
<cole-h>
lol
<pie_>
its barely any yet but i expect most of my issues to get notified
<joepie91>
pie_: yeah, they've been rolling in here also
<cole-h>
It's not all bad... I got a stale notification for an issue that I actually wanted to read just a few minutes ago.
<joepie91>
most of the notifications I'm getting seem to be for issues I've filed that were never triaged beyond "is a bug"
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<andi->
I hate how I can recognized packages by the structure of the text that scrolls by why they are compiling
<gchristensen>
andi-: feels bad, right?
<andi->
just means I've wasted too much time of my life watching computers
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<srhb>
Sometimes I ostensible play games instead of watching text flows
<srhb>
Meaning, usually, I play "world gen" or "character creation" for a few hours and go to bed with a book.
<srhb>
Humans are silly.
<MichaelRaskin>
I do not want to set up a temporary after-application of a rule dismissing everything from the stale bot. Yet. But the bot seems to be nudging me there
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<gchristensen>
infinisil: hmm it looks like znapzend's config doesn't support raw sends. do you know things about this?
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<infinisil>
gchristensen: There is the compressed feature which does -L -c -e, which is what --raw does for unencrypted sets. But for encrypted ones it seems to be not supported yet: https://github.com/oetiker/znapzend/pull/323
<{^_^}>
oetiker/znapzend#323 (by aarononeal, 2 years ago, open): Support raw sends of encrypted datasets
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<samueldr>
I think the real gem in there is not necessarily reverse engineering it, I think it was relatively well known, but figuring out a scheme to find where you are in the seed
<samueldr>
it's fascinating to think most of the high level runners end up within a "small" range of possibilities when they get to that point
<infinisil>
Yeah, that was really neat
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<cole-h>
adisbladis: Trying out your fish_prompt... looks clean. I really like it.
<Valodim>
infinisil: very good video, thanks
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<MichaelRaskin>
ashkitten: is your Cosmo now locked?
<ashkitten>
no
<ashkitten>
is yours?
<MichaelRaskin>
Mine seems to be now
<MichaelRaskin>
I looked up — I placed in September
<MichaelRaskin>
Hmmm
<MichaelRaskin>
Connectivity Kit is still not locked though
<ashkitten>
mine was june
<MichaelRaskin>
But how
<ashkitten>
they haven't put out an update yet, maybe they're still working on locking contributions?
<MichaelRaskin>
Might be so
<ashkitten>
did you get an email when it happened?
<MichaelRaskin>
Nope, IGG apparently doesn't think it's worth an email
<ashkitten>
hmph
<ashkitten>
well, still says placed for me. i'll check tomorrow or if there's an update
<samueldr>
not saying anybody didn't, but apparently the bane of crowdfunding efforts is people not answering the "address survey" once the campaign is over
<samueldr>
not sure if even relevant here
<MichaelRaskin>
So, by the second time «I need to come to work again» it is at least locked
<ashkitten>
i filled in my address and the survey asking about keyboard layout
<MichaelRaskin>
samueldr: true, but I think IGG is of the «must fill now can edit later» persuasion
<MichaelRaskin>
I did fill both address and keyboard choice
<samueldr>
I *think* some crowdfunders may not use the crowdfunding site's systems sometimes and do bad things™ on custom platforms, but I assume they must be using the IGG site here because of what you're saying
<samueldr>
(things can be messy)
<MichaelRaskin>
Of course, it is unclear how long it will take from «locked» to «handed over to delivery inside EU»
<samueldr>
all of it
<MichaelRaskin>
There is a bit of … spread about it specifically in case of Cosmo, indeed
<MichaelRaskin>
Apparently from a few days to a few months
<ashkitten>
yeah especially with customs
<ashkitten>
been slow due to virus reportedly
<samueldr>
from experience some will batch ship by countries too
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<ashkitten>
i'm in the US unfortunately
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<MichaelRaskin>
As I understand it, they definitely want to do batch import into EU. The question is the size of the batch
<samueldr>
how quaint, just looked at the state of a (small) crowdfunding thing "Estimated delivery: May 2020"
<samueldr>
(they've been vocal about the state and it's more of an artifact of that being their initial estimate)
<MichaelRaskin>
Planet Computers have a special style of failing at communication
<samueldr>
let me guess, push all sorts of update, but nothing about the current state of shipping?
<ashkitten>
samueldr: well, the mycroft mk2 was originally to ship in what, december 2018? now it's set to miss 2020 entirely
<MichaelRaskin>
Nope, that would not be special!
<samueldr>
ashkitten: oof, though what I'm looking at is more of a "done" project, more of a "let's use a crowdfunding platform to sell a new product that actually is trivial and we have experience making"
<ashkitten>
lol
<samueldr>
unnecessary crowdfunding
<ashkitten>
yeah the mycroft team scrapped at least 2 almost-finished versions of the product due to various reasons i think
<MichaelRaskin>
samueldr: well, to be fair, Planet does develop devices in rare formfactors, and long-term preorders are a nontrivial share of their total sales
<ashkitten>
luckily the project is still in progress
<ashkitten>
and has external funding
<ashkitten>
so it's hopefully just slow
<samueldr>
MichaelRaskin: oh, I wasn't implying theirs was unnecessary
<MichaelRaskin>
So, Planet's communication style seems to be «never have an update without positive news»
<ashkitten>
which means they don't give updates when they only have negative news, leaving us all hanging :/
<MichaelRaskin>
They will usually later explain what the hell they did not take into account this time
<MichaelRaskin>
For example a month later when they figure out how to solve the new problem
<MichaelRaskin>
But well, Fxtec Pro1 was «Sailfish, maybe» and no track record, and Planet Cosmo was «Debian and Sailfish, most probably» with Geminis _eventually_ delivered, so I picked Planet
<MichaelRaskin>
(Pro1 and Astra have nicer formfactors than Cosmo, for sure, and Pro1 doesn)
<samueldr>
fxtec's keyboard looks so bad imo :/
<MichaelRaskin>
doesn't even look implausible mechanically unlike Astra
<samueldr>
MichaelRaskin: links to astra?
<ashkitten>
my friend had a gemini (which randomly died, unforhunately) and i got to try it out and i really liked it, so i bought in on the cosmo
<MichaelRaskin>
Astra is the next Planet
<samueldr>
main gripe I see with fxtec's keyboard is how they shifted all letters right one column, and swapped the lost column to the left of those letters
<samueldr>
though it seems a bit funky how they're already on the next phone
<ashkitten>
what, they're already building a new phone to replace the one i haven't received yet? ;~;
<MichaelRaskin>
I used N810, it also made some tradeoffs
<MichaelRaskin>
ashkitten: Kind of makes sense
<samueldr>
MichaelRaskin: I think my main gripe is that they had the room to make it much better, and sensible, literally the keys are all there
<MichaelRaskin>
After the first batch people who know how to design to production have nothing else to do but start a new phone
<samueldr>
but they somehow bunged it up and shifted the layout around for no apparent good reason
<MichaelRaskin>
I mean, there is an obvious reason
<samueldr>
which is?
<MichaelRaskin>
Symmetry
<samueldr>
ah, so an obvious bad reason
<MichaelRaskin>
Not aesthetical symmetry, mechanical symmetry
<samueldr>
hm?
<MichaelRaskin>
For thumb typing you _do not_ want to have «a» too far left
<MichaelRaskin>
You want the letters to be in the range of not-too-bent thumbs, and you want two thumbs to carry comparable loads during typing
<samueldr>
I'm not convinced, though I understand your point of view
<MichaelRaskin>
It is clearly designed with stand-up two-thumbs typing in mind (and one of the priorities)
<MichaelRaskin>
(And I do like this point of view)
<samueldr>
the issue I have with mangling the keyboard that way is that alternate layouts simply won't work
<samueldr>
sure, it's sensible for US QWERTY
<samueldr>
but I'm looking at the french canadian layout and it's just broken, I don't even see how it can work in software on the device considering how they broken up the /? key
<MichaelRaskin>
I can tell you that at some point I was reminded that my Asus laptop has a layout where the arrow up is mapped to a key literally carrying a down arrow
<samueldr>
huh?
<samueldr>
the way the keyboard layout is on the fxtec I wouldn't be surprised to see a kernel driver that forcibly shoves us-qwerty keyboard events in a bad way
<MichaelRaskin>
Well, I did not need the numpad, and there were almost no large double keys (except Keypad-plus, but fortunately not keypad-zero)
<samueldr>
ah, so a custom map?
<samueldr>
I thought you meant from the factory
<MichaelRaskin>
Yep, I pushed the arrows a bit to the side, had an extra modifier, why an, like three of them, and had a very nice layout with everything available
<MichaelRaskin>
No-no
<MichaelRaskin>
Asus does not do crazy things
<samueldr>
I'm discounting remapping the keyboard in all these cases because it shouldn't be what users have to do to be able to use a keyboard
<samueldr>
there is an ISO standard for keyboards, all keyboards should conform to it
<samueldr>
and YES, the US 104 keys layout IS covered by that ISO standard
<MichaelRaskin>
Erm, what about no
<samueldr>
MichaelRaskin: physically, yes
<samueldr>
I'm talking about the key clusters
<MichaelRaskin>
I mean, applying ISO standard for fullsize keyboards to handheld devices?
<MichaelRaskin>
We have enough monopolistic unification
<MichaelRaskin>
We do not need to also apply standards to the things they did not plan for
<ashkitten>
i sent the indiegogo page for the astro slide to my gf and she's already backed it
<samueldr>
I have never seen a mangled keyboard that can work right with non-us-qwerty layout, except if it's been somehow reworked as a once-more one-off keyboard
<ashkitten>
now im gonna be envious until i get my cosmo
<MichaelRaskin>
Envious of what?
<MichaelRaskin>
Ah
<MichaelRaskin>
Then she will be envious for the next two years?
<ashkitten>
lol, yes
<samueldr>
she already has the previous one, no?
<MichaelRaskin>
It's so sweet how people discuss how Astro will be obsolete when it ships in a year
<ashkitten>
no, that's a different friend
<samueldr>
ah, sorry
<MichaelRaskin>
Reality: ships in two years
<ashkitten>
i wonder what the next planet device will look like, after the astro
<MichaelRaskin>
Same, but less broken mechanically
<MichaelRaskin>
And with eInk on the bottom
<MichaelRaskin>
I read Cosmo feedback, I look at the mechanical complexity of Astro, and I am horrified
<ashkitten>
lol, think it'll break?
<ashkitten>
also i'd totally go for a phone with a double sided display, flip it over for eink
<ashkitten>
that sounds amazing
<MichaelRaskin>
It might get annoyingly stuck in some position
<MichaelRaskin>
There has been Yotaphone, I think
<MichaelRaskin>
And some eInk thin-client for the phone to attach to the phone case
<ashkitten>
okay, but what i really want is a thinkpad ultrabay thing where you slot your phone inside the laptop and the laptop becomes a thin client for the phone
* ashkitten
is only slightly obsessed with the thinkpad ultrabay
<MichaelRaskin>
Asus has actually done this, but decided the demand is not there
<ashkitten>
ow
<samueldr>
Razer wanted too
<samueldr>
their two phones had the same physical dimensions for that reason
<samueldr>
IIRC the lapdock is still useful these days
<samueldr>
not sure if I'm thinking of the wrong product, but one of those kind of product had standard inputs
<ashkitten>
atrix 4g was the first phone ever to have a desktop mode when docked
<ashkitten>
iirc
<ashkitten>
full ubuntu desktop, though slow
<samueldr>
at the very least it's among the first ones
<ashkitten>
i wish i'd had the dock ;-;
<samueldr>
lapdock or the other dock?
<ashkitten>
either, really
<samueldr>
(or both?)
<ashkitten>
i still haven't had a phone with a desktop mode yet
<samueldr>
I don't either... that works...
<samueldr>
the razer phone 2 has eDP out, but it's a mirror of the screen
<samueldr>
pinephone doesn't have type-c alternate mode working, and anyway it looks like my unit has defective USB
<ashkitten>
android 10? has an experimental built in desktop mode i think
<samueldr>
(still unsure what's up with that)
<samueldr>
android 9
<samueldr>
and confirmed stuck due to their phone team being disbanded / fired
<ashkitten>
lineage?
<samueldr>
no community
<ashkitten>
lol, rip
<samueldr>
and I tried to understand porting
<samueldr>
I spent 2 weeks last month on that
<samueldr>
it's horrible
<ashkitten>
do you have a razer phone?
<samueldr>
yes
<ashkitten>
ahh
<samueldr>
they were cheap, they were dumping their stock at 400$ on their site
<samueldr>
and they're AFAICT really good hardware
<ashkitten>
huh, not awful but without support...
<samueldr>
though a bit bulky
<samueldr>
oh, they do have a skeleton crew keeping security updates rolling in
<samueldr>
which is the most surprising part
<ashkitten>
nixos would be harder than lineage, i'm guessing
<samueldr>
no!
<ashkitten>
surprising
<samueldr>
maybe I'm broken, but I have had more success porting mobile nixos to a device than building for a lineageos that is supposedly supported
<ashkitten>
lol
<ashkitten>
well android is awful so not that surprising
<samueldr>
though I'm 99% sure that failure was due to the proprietary bits
<ky0ko>
being more difficult to port than lineage would be an impressive feat
<ashkitten>
ky0ko: you've ported devices for lineage?
<samueldr>
btw, that's pretty much why I contributed that lineageos branch to robotnix
<ashkitten>
oh i see
<ky0ko>
ashkitten: i've tried. mirroring samueldr said, i ended up finding it easier to port postmarket than to even get lineage to start building an already supported device
<samueldr>
ky0ko: is it specifically lineageos that is hard or anything built on that android lunch infra hard?
<samueldr>
ah, I guess lunch
<ky0ko>
yes, it's android
<ashkitten>
android is dead, long live nixos
<samueldr>
I wasn't sure from that first statement if you were gonna come with another android derivative with a better porting story
<ky0ko>
i've dealt with aosp stuff too, that's really the culprit
<samueldr>
that's what it felt like
<samueldr>
based on danielrf[m]'s good work on robotnix
<ky0ko>
nah. everything i've tried has not been good, though i've not tried much beyond lineage and aosp
<samueldr>
almost nothing was specific to lineageOS, so I guess all the fault lies at the feet of the android mess
<samueldr>
btw robotnix doesn't fix the porting story (I think), only the building in a more reproducible way
<lovesegfault>
github added a BLM banner
<lovesegfault>
It'd be nice if instead they stopped selling sw to ICE
<slack1256>
Everybody is an hypocrite even ourselves, we will have to stop measuring sainthood and start listening the arguments...
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<elvishjerricco>
Welp. My Apple ID randomly stopped working, and I can't even sign in to view the account. Guess I just can't do a bunch of stuff with my phone now