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<lovesegfault> gpl
<lovesegfault> oops
<cole-h> Begone! Away with ye, foul beast!
<lovesegfault> talyz: I managed to get my config working with impermanence master, so I can now test your PR :D
<cole-h> lovesegfault: The more important question is: did you fix the problems I was having? ;)
<lovesegfault> cole-h: Not yet
<cole-h> (Because I'm obviously the most important being here)
<lovesegfault> I did a 5000 line change at work today :P
<cole-h> F
<lovesegfault> Moved us from slog to tracing (Rust)
<cole-h> I pray for your fingers/hands/arms/shoulders/body
<cole-h> Oh very nice
<cole-h> We did that in borg recently
<cole-h> Well, log -> tracing
<cole-h> (We were eyeing slog, but L*L attempted using tracing and basically redid everything with it)
<cole-h> So, glad we made the right choice :P
<lovesegfault> slog is good for structured logging
<lovesegfault> but true distributed tracing is superior to structured logging
<cole-h> The fact it outputs JSON is why I love it so much
<cole-h> We feed it into prometheus, which means every line of logging (that isn't from capture external programs like git) is tagged with a PR# in most instances
<cole-h> Makes it so much easier to debug
<cole-h> LnL++ Making me all thankful again.
<nix-build> LnL's karma got increased to 70
<lovesegfault> We're going to use honeycomb io
* cole-h peeps
<cole-h> Oh, that's pretty cool. So it can kinda show the spans in order, and how much time was taken in each, from what I'm seeing
<lovesegfault> Yeah, honeycomb is sweet
<cole-h> Yep, that's what I was looking at
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<cole-h> lovesegfault: Curious why you "nuke"d hardware.u2f -- misbehaving? Dysfunctional?
<lovesegfault> It's been removed
<cole-h> o
<lovesegfault> the udev rules were merged
<cole-h> Got it
<lovesegfault> (into udev)
<cole-h> Makes sense :)
<nix-build> #90343 (by flokli, 2 days ago, merged): hardware/u2f: remove module
<ornxka> hot dang qemu 5.0 in nixpkgs-unstable
* ornxka has been waiting for that for about a week now
<lovesegfault> Oh, nice
<nix-build> #90211 (by lovesegfault, 4 days ago, open): rust-analyzer: 2020-06-01 -> 2020-06-08
<lovesegfault> I wish someone would merge this
<cole-h> πŸ‘€
<cole-h> Weird... My GPG key just went all "unknown trust" on me for some reason...
<lovesegfault> Just bought this: https://booth.pm/en/items/1619212
<lovesegfault> excite
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<cole-h> "Raspberry Pi with LCD, game pad and full keyboard to make it a hand-held computer."
<cole-h> Cool
<cole-h> Day 2 without an invite to hey.com
* cole-h cries
<DigitalKiwi> won't even be able to get it on ios lol
<cole-h> Well, not like I have the money to pay for it right now, anyways. Soon, tho.
<cole-h> drakonis++ They sent me the bundle, thanks for the tip :)
<nix-build> drakonis's karma got increased to 11
<drakonis> cool
<drakonis> cool beans
<drakonis> you may kill the gist now
<drakonis> the sender hasnt quoted it so its safe to do it
<cole-h> Yep, on it :) Thanks for confirming.
<iqubic> So, this might be a long shot, but I'm just wondering if there's a have decompile a C# program that I have in .DLL form on a Linux machine.
<drakonis> the tools exist and are crossplatform
<drakonis> trivial to track one down
<iqubic> Really? I'm not finding anything.
<iqubic> Note that I have explicit permission from the creator of this file that it's alright to do this.
<lovesegfault> drakonis: bundle?
<iqubic> I did find dotPeek by JetBrains, but I'm not sure that can handle DLLs.
<drakonis> lovesegfault: itch bundle
<drakonis> perhaps the best bundle since the early days of humble bundle
<drakonis> a return to the glory days of the original humble indie bundle
<lovesegfault> Oh wow
<lovesegfault> Bananas
<lovesegfault> Sad I missed it
<drakonis> the person i got to gift cole the bundle, had two copies
<drakonis> one was already claimed
<drakonis> the person is just waiting on the proof to send it
<lovesegfault> Oh, nice that someone got it
<lovesegfault> drakonis++
<nix-build> drakonis's karma got increased to 12
<drakonis> the other one went to cole
<drakonis> aight, time to hide under the sheets and catch some sleep
<JJJollyjim> iqubic: ILSpy claims to work under dotnet core
<JJJollyjim> As a cli
<iqubic> Cool.
<drakonis> night, y'all
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<iqubic> JJJollyjim: Of course ILSpy isn't in nixpkgs. GRR.
<DigitalKiwi> Be the change you want to be in nixpkgs
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<iqubic> DigitalKiwi: I'm not sure ILSpy actually has a CLI option.
<JJJollyjim> It's top of the readme
<iqubic> I see.
<iqubic> How hard would this be to set up on a NixOS machine?
<JJJollyjim> No idea
<iqubic> GRR.
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<lovesegfault> Oh god
<lovesegfault> the Python package bumps broke everything
<iqubic> I wish there was a way to install dotnet tools on linux.
<cole-h> lovesegfault: How much everything
<iqubic> specifically nixos.
<DigitalKiwi> what should i get my dad for father's day
<lovesegfault> cole-h: everything I care about
<lovesegfault> in other words: it broke beets
<lovesegfault> b/c it broke the coveralls pkg
<cole-h> Time to yell at FRidh I guess
<cole-h> :P
<iqubic> I wish I could get a development environment with the .net core SDK 2.1 or later in nixos
<lovesegfault> Never, FRidh does god's work
<cole-h> lol
<cole-h> Very accurate
<Ashy> iqubic: is it not in there already? ripgrep seems to shows that dotnet-sdk is 2.1
<iqubic> Oh? I see.
<lovesegfault> cole-h: Ah
<lovesegfault> :(
<iqubic> Ashy: Thanks
<Ashy> iqubic: my usual nixpkgs discovery is to try: nix-shell -p something<Tab><Tab>
<iqubic> Cool
<cole-h> Mine is `nix repl '<nixpkgs>'` :P
<Ashy> followed closely by: cd ~/nixpkgs ; rg something
<iqubic> God, this is not working.
<iqubic> Just installing dotnet-sdk and then doing "sudo dotnet tool install ilspycmd --tool-path ~/ilspy" worked. But trying to run the executable give me this error: http://dpaste.com/15H9TB7
<iqubic> I'm not sure I'm doing this correctly. LOL.
<iqubic> ilspy is a directory that I created for this.
<lovesegfault> talyz: Sad to report that my attempts at using nix-community/impermanence#11 were a failure :(
<nix-build> https://github.com/nix-community/impermanence/pull/11 (by talyz, 3 days ago, open): home-manager: Bind mount directories instead of symlinking them
<lovesegfault> Going to report the issues in the PR
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<talyz> lovesegfault: yeah, that's the fragility I was talking about :/
<talyz> lovesegfault: well, at least that's why the services fail after the failure of the activation script
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<DigitalKiwi> do i want a yubikey y/n
<DigitalKiwi> and if y does that mean i should get two yubikey
<__monty__> Depends on your threat model and convenience reasons.
<eyJhb> For the complex calculations - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l06PlYNShpQ
<gchristensen> oh dear
<eyJhb> gchristensen: you know you want it
<eyJhb> Never has 2+2 been faster
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<pistache> eyJhb: can't go faster than this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TFDG-y-EHs
<pistache> -150000000000% speedup
<eyJhb> He is touching them pistache. Not liking it already. :p
<pistache> this one is the most beautiful computer ever made
<eyJhb> That is a hell of a speeddown
<pistache> using +∞ and NaN to replace 0 and 1 is the definition is beauty
<talyz> eyJhb: amazing
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<talyz> eyJhb: time well spent :p
<pistache> and using abs(min(y,-x)+max(y,-∞) for XOR, and ∞-max(x+y, -∞) for NAND is truely amazing
<pistache> I remember laughing for a whole minute when he introduced the 3-bit floating point number
<pistache> who needs more than 1 bit for the mantissa and exponent anyway ?
<eyJhb> talyz: it is! :p
<eyJhb> pistache: setting it on watchnext :p
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<DigitalKiwi> __monty__: all the cool people use it
<talyz> pistache: oh my, that's some real next level galaxy brain stuff
<pistache> yep
<pistache> 1 instruction per 25 minutes ought to be enough for everybody
<gchristensen> pistache said, using trillions of instructions to send that
<DigitalKiwi> how much energy do you think it takes to send an irc message
<pistache> DigitalKiwi: with a nand-computer ? at least 1 TWh I'd guess
<DigitalKiwi> like there are probably dozens if not hundreds of computers involved
<pistache> DigitalKiwi: it's difficult to estimate because these computers are already doing other things
<pistache> if you aggregate their total power usage it gets pretty high
<DigitalKiwi> 1TWh sounds like a lot
<pistache> DigitalKiwi: that was with a nand-computer
<pistache> simulated by a raspberry pi
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<pistache> you could probably make a relatively efficient nand-computer on an ASIC
<pistache> that would be a very nice totally useless project
<DigitalKiwi> i mean like realistically with what infrastructure is actually used though
<DigitalKiwi> apropos of nothing https://www.nand2tetris.org/
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<cole-h> I just realized... Now that I'm on NixOS, I can actually hack on Nix without needing to do the whole release-build dance every time :O
<cole-h> (Linking failed on Arch when trying to build manually, i.e. with make and friends)
<sphalerite> cole-h: huh, even with nix-shell?
<cole-h> Even with a *pure* nix-shell
<cole-h> I think https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/3087 is slightly related, but even with the proposed patch, linking failed somewhere
<{^_^}> nix#3087 (by trofi, 40 weeks ago, open): -Lsrc/libutil is too late in linker path, fails with a link error: download.cc:905: undefined reference to `nix::runProgram
<{^_^}> nix#3376 (by blitz, 16 weeks ago, open): Build broken in nix-shell due to linker errors
<cole-h> This one is exactly my problem IIRC
<cole-h> s/is/was/
<LnL> weird
<LnL> did you also run autoreconf?
<cole-h> I don't remember. But I did run all the things from https://nixos.org/nix/manual/#sec-building-source
<cole-h> e.g. ./configure and make
<cole-h> (and ./bootstrap.sh)
<LnL> I've never run that but I thought bootstrap.sh was for builds in a non nix environment
<cole-h> That's not what the documentation implies. If that is the case, then maybe that should be clarified... Right now it says it's for "building from the Git repository"
<LnL> sometimes stuff freaks out when pulling in updates and I do something like this in nix-shell (which I would expect to work everywhere)
<LnL> make clean && autoreconf && ./configure --prefix=$PWD/inst && make install -jX
<LnL> ah looks like that basically just runs autoreconf
<cole-h> Well, boutta setup an Arch VM and find out.
<cole-h> 20 minutes of Misty Mountains: https://youtu.be/LY0lLcz3Qis
<cole-h> The best part of The Hobbit movies tbh
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<cole-h> LnL: OK, problem was 99% chance just my crufty 2-year-old system, maybe.
<cole-h> Because it built just fine in a nix-shell
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<joepie91> I'm increasingly unable to determine from a glance at chat history alone, whether I am looking at a NixOS channel or a totally different channel talking about NixOS
<joepie91> I guess this is a good thing, in a sense :P
<cole-h> :D
<LnL> heh
<LnL> that reminds me...
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<cole-h> To paste your ofborg config for me? ;^)
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<LnL> yep :D
<cole-h> <3
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<samueldr> and now github avatars will be round too!
<samueldr> will the new github redesign be called "the rounding error"?
<__monty__> : (
<samueldr> everything now has more border-radius!
<ldlework> hehe
<samueldr> not terrible, not better
<samueldr> though I observe more "slow" animations into states, like hovering some links or some items
<samueldr> and maybe less contrast?
<gchristensen> oh no am I being rounded?
<samueldr> but not organization icons
<samueldr> for whatever reason
<cole-h> lol
<samueldr> they only got a bit more round
<cole-h> RIP gchristensen's hairline
<cole-h> Now it's the whole page
<cransom> heh. so round. why do this to us, my display is not measued by diameter or circumference!
<samueldr> cransom: they're all developing on round android smartwatches, obviously
<cransom> the 'if we don't make it look different once in a while, no one will think we are doing anything' style of development.
<cransom> oh god, the repository change. opting way back out of that feature preview.
<joepie91> cransom: repository change?
<cransom> pardon, 'repository refresh'. under your icon drop down, there's a feature preview button.
<__monty__> Curious that github's taking the step to look more like gitlab.
<samueldr> at least I won't get caught up on a sharp corner
<infinisil> Neat
<joepie91> " The repository pages have been updated with a new layout to elevate features and project information. "
<joepie91> I'm confused
<joepie91> elevated, but the content has moved down and to the side, and no new content has been added?
<infinisil> I really don't mind style updates, makes things look fresh :)
<joepie91> oh except for the latest release I guess
<joepie91> I don't really have a problem with the new repository design, but it's a weird motivation to say the least
<__monty__> So they made the README *less* visible just so they could add something to the interface that was already done with a badge by the projects that wanted to highlight it?
<__monty__> That sounds like a really weird thing to do.
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<samueldr> ROT13'd
<samueldr> it's not as bad, but like they would announce that all usernames are now ROT13'sd
<samueldr> though I quite dislike round avatars, ESPECIALLY when it's brought as a change
<samueldr> yeah, observe how I said needless, but didn't gripe too much
<__monty__> I agree, they're round everywhere and I have seen *very* few avatars that actually look better round than square.
<samueldr> not organization avatars!
<__monty__> I could always userContent them outahere though I guess.
<samueldr> they probably know that circling them entirely would bring the ire of brandβ„’ designers
<cole-h> __monty__: Mine is probably one of the few... :P
<samueldr> like this one https://github.com/microsoft/
<eyJhb> Sooo, today has been weird?
<eyJhb> Also, stuck at the beach today, had to get help from a four whell drive. I hate the beach each time I got stuck even more
<samueldr> haha, the microsoft image has a baked-in padding so the squares don't end up cut by the radius
<__monty__> eyJhb: Beaches are for people, not cars, silly.
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<eyJhb> Also, a seagull took a shit through my balcony door and onto my floor.
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<eyJhb> __monty__: I guess :( Don't they have driveable beaches where you live?
<eyJhb> I somewhat have to applaud the seagull.. Precise aim
<__monty__> No, they don't. Guess Danes are lazier than I though.
<__monty__> *thought
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<eyJhb> DAMN IT.. He can't just leave like that
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