gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<samueldr> how curse does that sound to you?
<samueldr> how cursed*
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<gchristensen> hah
<gchristensen> most
<drakonis> michael stapelberg still going around selling his "research distro project" with the incorrect nix stats
<drakonis> this time on 36c3
<samueldr> what you're advancing here is pretty vague for those not already in the know of whatever it is you know
<qyliss> What's incorrect about the nix stats?
<drakonis> he's doing installs with nix-env -i instead of -iA
<qyliss> ah
<qyliss> Most of his criticism of Nix when I spent 30 mins or so talking to him at CCCamp was that we spent way too much time in the dynamic linker
<drakonis> he's using the measurements of that
<qyliss> Which is very true
<drakonis> right-o
<drakonis> i'm not aware of this
<qyliss> never straced a program built my nix?
<qyliss> *by
<drakonis> hmm actually not really
<qyliss> We iterate through maybe 20 directories looking for each dynamic library
<drakonis> that's terrible
<qyliss> What we should do instead is create an output with symlinks to the right places
<qyliss> And then only link against that directory
<qyliss> Anyway, distri is a great project.
<qyliss> Very useful for the community
<drakonis> so it is.
<Church-> samueldr: Super cursed
<pie_[bnc]> heard of an interesting idea yesterday
<pie_[bnc]> "premortem"
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<ashkitten> does anyone do sdr stuff?
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<eyJhb> ashkitten: In what way?
<{^_^}> #24844 (by lheckemann, 2 years ago, open): Link to libraries through absolute paths?
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<yorick> colemickens: how does sway manage to never be cached by the nixpkgs-wayland cachix :/
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<yorick> I guess I'm not using it with the nixpkgs it's meant to be used with
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<colemickens> It is for me?
<colemickens> Actually it builds fast enough that I could be missing but I can't imagine how or why based on how it's written.
<colemickens> What channel are you on? I dropped support for nixpkhs-unstable, but I cache against nixos-unstable.
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<ashkitten> eyJhb: i don't know enough of what i'm doing, but i'm getting interference from fm harmonics and i need to figure out how to mitigate that
<eyJhb> ashkitten: what is the goal?
<ashkitten> receive atc communications from the airport
<eyJhb> Oh
<ashkitten> which is AM radio at various frequencies around 120MHz
<eyJhb> Hmm... I am not sure how to mitigate that, when it is on the same frequency
<eyJhb> I have only played with around 433 Mhz
<ashkitten> oh fair enough
<eyJhb> Sorry!
<ashkitten> it's not actually the fm signals
<ashkitten> since they're overlapping and stuff
<ashkitten> it's harmonics of the fm signals
<ashkitten> which should be mitigable
<gchristensen> colemickens: do you have any knowledge of building and running new nixos images for azure?
* colemickens /part
<colemickens> Heh. Yeah, I'll ping you in an hour or so when I'm back to my laptop.
<gchristensen> LOL
<gchristensen> no no I don't want to hear about it (/me also /part's)
<eyJhb> ashkitten: Isn't there a Freenode channel for SDR?
<gchristensen> colemickens: but ikwildrpepper would probably be interested in talking to you tomorrow
<ashkitten> eyJhb: i'd love to know if there is
<eyJhb> Well I was quite alone in #sdr
<eyJhb> ashkitten: ##rtlsdr
<eyJhb> I think
<ashkitten> maybe #gnuradio
<eyJhb> Also that (if it exists)
<eyJhb> Learing the 10 finger method on a normal keyboard (laptop) is quite hard, even when I can use it on my ergodox-ez. I hate it \vent
<__monty__> I never had the keyboard matter much if anything.
<eyJhb> __monty__: the keys on the ergodox-ez is aligned right down, and not shifted at all
<eyJhb> That's what is messing with me
<eyJhb> + not having my layers for coding
<__monty__> You never learned typing on a non-ortho keyboard?
<gchristensen> samueldr: we lost all our snow today
<samueldr> we're currently gaining at least 20cm
<gchristensen> wow
<__monty__> I had you pegged for a more organized person, gchristensen.
<gchristensen> we even lost the meter tall stack from shoveling / snow blowing
<samueldr> after having a bit of rain and ice fall
<__monty__> How'd you manage to lose *all* of it?
<yorick> colemickens: I'm on nixos-unstable, weird
<samueldr> though the ~1°C temps yesterday were nice to air the home
<yorick> it builds in 5 minutes or so but it takes a bunch of battery
<gchristensen> it hit 50 yesterday, 65F here today, and rained all yesterday
<samueldr> wow
<colemickens> Something might be up. I need to take a look at a few things. Please file an issue if you're seeing it regularly. Mostly so I don't forget
<samueldr> it rained with ~1°C so just enough to make an ice layer on top of the existing snow
<eyJhb> __monty__: not the propper way :p
<eyJhb> I have my own made up system with "whatever feels right"
<samueldr> then it snowed in the water layer forming in lower spots, making a tremendous amount of slush
<gchristensen> samueldr: we'll get it back I'm sure... it'll be -15 next Sunday.
<gchristensen> (C)
<eyJhb> samueldr: should have added some flavour, color and vodka then
<samueldr> eyJhb: eww, with the salts and sand it would have been awful
<eyJhb> Just be very careful! :D
<samueldr> pictures in there
<gchristensen> yuck ...
<eyJhb> :D But yeah, doens't look nice from the ground. Also, quite the weather. Not excited for when DK hits that
<samueldr> we usually get a couple of those each winter
<eyJhb> Snowstorms or South Park memes?
<samueldr> well, not exactly, usually no rain
<samueldr> snow storms
<gchristensen> the rain is a surprise here too
<eyJhb> So you guys have snow tires I assume?
<gchristensen> yeah
<samueldr> by law from like december to march
<gchristensen> oh wow!
<samueldr> "four seasons / all weather" are not valid
<samueldr> and usually those installing late, removing early are seen as crazies
<gchristensen> when is late / early?
<samueldr> before the cut-off date, after the cut-off date
<gchristensen> ah
<eyJhb> I had all weather, whole year tires
<eyJhb> Never again. It was like Bambi on ice in the winter weather
<samueldr> usually late october early november is when people get their winter tires on
<gchristensen> same
<eyJhb> I got mine on the last week of December, and I am early
<gchristensen> and I forget to take them off until all the snow is melted -- mid/late May
<samueldr> all weather means poor adhesion in all conditions
<eyJhb> samueldr: I bougt them because I am a "poor student" and both my summer tires and winter tires had to be replaced at the same time
<eyJhb> So thought I would try them out
<eyJhb> Drifting was A LOT easier thou
<gchristensen> hah
<eyJhb> (14 questions of 32 down, getting there! And hoping I can remember them all for my exam)
<eyJhb> Anyways, are people doing anything exciting today?
<gchristensen> I'm debating making a blueberry pie, or trying to make the nixos test infra have better support for EFI so I can test secureboot so I can finish my secureboot PR
<__monty__> I'd go with the pie.
<eyJhb> ,locate bin strings
<{^_^}> Found in packages: toybox, busybox, binutils-unwrapped, llvmPackages.bintools
<eyJhb> gchristensen: what would you do with your blueberry pie?
<gchristensen> take a picture and serve it with vanilla ice cream
<eyJhb> Oh
<gchristensen> I think I want a lambda cookie-cutter so I can make the top crust have an nixos logo
<eyJhb> I read it as Blueberry Pi, like Raspberry Pi
<gchristensen> oh cool
<eyJhb> But if we are talking cake, then go make that!
<gchristensen> okay. I'll go make a crust.
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<eyJhb> gchristensen:go go ! Remember images
<eyJhb> Btw. anyone know where I can download a list of synonyms in Danish?
<adisbladis> eyJhb: /dev/urandom
<eyJhb> adisbladis: HA HA
<eyJhb> Stupid Swedes :(
<adisbladis> :)
<samueldr> oh, gchristensen, working on that replacement firmware? https://github.com/crust-firmware/crust
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<gchristensen> lol
* gchristensen considers a pastry stone
<__monty__> Sounds worse for your teeth than sugar.
<gchristensen> :)
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<gchristensen> I wonder how much flour I'd discover if I opened my laptop
<drakonis> a bag?
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<eyJhb> Found it adisbladis. Found a .dmg file, extracted that and got a sqlite3 file that has all the information needed
<adisbladis> gchristensen: Is there any difference from a normal baking stone?
<adisbladis> gchristensen: Btw, I recommend baking steel over stones.
<FireFly> oh, how so? I haven't tried either, but I've been eyeing baking stones before
<gchristensen> adisbladis: pastry stones are for rolling things out and the preparation, not cooking end of things -- but a baking steel might do the trick
<adisbladis> FireFly: Baking steels have better thermal properties, are easier to maintain and they dont crack
<adisbladis> Slightly more expensive, but nicer
<gchristensen> you can put it in the fridge, get it really cold, and then work the pastry dough on it
<FireFly> o
<FireFly> hmm, nice
<adisbladis> FireFly: https://pizzasteel.com/ is nice for us europeans
<adisbladis> FireFly: Imho baking stone/steel is a must for bread/pizzas
<FireFly> hmm
<adisbladis> Next level baking
<FireFly> I should get back into baking bread
<adisbladis> Also you can do a pizza in your home oven in ~15-20 minutes
<eyJhb> Damn it, can't figure out how the are using the SQLite3 file..
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<ashkitten> oh FireFly didnt know you were here
<FireFly> I don't chat much here :p
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<gchristensen> it smells good :X
<eyJhb> gchristensen: pictures?!
<gchristensen> it isn't done yet!
<eyJhb> Progress pictures!
<eyJhb> :D
<gchristensen> I won't open the oven :)
<eyJhb> IT is glass, right? :D
<gchristensen> all glory to the blueberry lambda
<samueldr> :( let's hope the `git pull` of nixos-unstable isn't too deep of a yak shave rabbit hole... especially considering I heard cross might not be broken?
<samueldr> now be*
<eyJhb> gchristensen++ for pie
<{^_^}> gchristensen's karma got increased to 196
<eyJhb> Looks nice, I will be making a toast at some point :p It's 00:16 here in DK
<eyJhb> (24 hour format)
<eyJhb> samueldr: reminding me I should update my system
<eyJhb> NixOS is the only OS I dare update right before a exam
<samueldr> here I'm working on cross-compiled stuff, so it's not an usual update
<samueldr> and yes, do update
<eyJhb> I should update my router as well
<eyJhb> Cross-compiled for which purpose?
<eyJhb> Like, what is the scope?
<samueldr> Mobile NixOS stage-1
<eyJhb> Ahh
<eyJhb> Makes sense
<eyJhb> Still fidling with the idea myself, to make a recovery rom for Android, that functions something Nix like
<eyJhb> With specifying apps etc.
<eyJhb> Btw. how is it going with Mobile NixOS samueldr ?
<samueldr> it's going
<samueldr> read the last three news entries :) https://mobile.nixos.org/
<infinisil> pie++ for gchristensen
<infinisil> pie_++ for gchristensen
<{^_^}> pie_'s karma got increased to 7
<eyJhb> samueldr: got a personal warmer now that I am updating NixOS
<eyJhb> But looks nice! :D Keep up the good owrk
<samueldr> currently re-working the whole stage-1 to make it into a stage-0 where you can select a generation to boot into
<drakonis> space heater time?
<eyJhb> drakonis: finished the build now, so not anymore :p
<eyJhb> samueldr: sweet :D
<drakonis> learnin' some guile todaaaay
<eyJhb> drakonis: does it have huge advantages over Nix?
<eyJhb> I think I am mixing stuff here
<drakonis> guix?
<eyJhb> Yeah
<drakonis> actually there are a variety
<drakonis> there's quite a lot to learn from it
<eyJhb> I just need some extra hours a day... :/ Looks nice enough
<eyJhb> When I see Guix website, it somewhat feel like they are saying they are the first and best out there
<drakonis> the docs bring up nix
<drakonis> acknowledge it
<drakonis> multiple spots
<drakonis> and you can install nix itself along guix
<drakonis> guix's website is so much better at selling it
<pie_[bnc]> i kind of wonder how guix seems to make such good progress :p
<drakonis> guile
<drakonis> that's how
<drakonis> plus knowing what to not do, see us
<pie_[bnc]> heh
<pie_[bnc]> i hear people hating on guile a lot
<drakonis> guile's speed seems to be no longer an issue with 3.0
<drakonis> so that'll end one of guix's issues, which is that, holy moly, its hella slow
<drakonis> i suppose checking guix's docs can point to the things it does better
<drakonis> it also helps them that guix has a symbiotic relationship with guile
<drakonis> anyone else walking in, please dont see it as ragging on nix or boosting guix