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<worldofpeace>
eyJhb: This Friday
<samueldr>
it's so hard having to type 2020
<samueldr>
fingers: let me help you, mechanically type 2 0 1 9
<samueldr>
brains: noooooooooooo, backspace
<samueldr>
brains: again!
<gchristensen>
yesterday during the maintenance I managed to write a different different date for each snapshot. like 2019-01-07, 2019-01-09, 2020-09-08
<ivan>
"where's that file I just downloaded?" as I stare at my 2019 folder
<infinisil>
samueldr: *laughts in programmer dvorak*
<infinisil>
s/laughts/laughs
<samueldr>
how's that helping with the year?
<gchristensen>
I think infinisil is saying it makes every number equally difficult
<gchristensen>
:P
<infinisil>
Hehe
<samueldr>
the numpad isn't mapped to numbers?
<infinisil>
Nah 2 and 0 are right next to each other, for pointy finger and middle finger
<infinisil>
On the number row
<gchristensen>
I never did understand that change
<infinisil>
s/pointy finger/index finger
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<samueldr>
when writing a post/article, be sure to actually follow all links on your rendered version and validate it points to the right location :)
<infinisil>
That calls for automation!
<samueldr>
automation can't know if it points to where you intended it to!
<infinisil>
Ah yeah
<infinisil>
I had in mind to check 2xx
<gchristensen>
samueldr: it would be cool if your round-up included a list of all the phones supported, in addition to the mention of a new phone being supported
<gchristensen>
if not listing all the devices, saying "bringing it to X devices"
<gchristensen>
the idea being try to sucker someone in right away by listing their device
<samueldr>
that's a good point
<samueldr>
yes
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<gchristensen>
also, finally, ff72 comes out fixing the weird scaling bugs when plugging monitors of different scale, and also fixing the "I clicked a link in my terminal" crasher
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<ashkitten>
if they keep to their word there i'll be pleasantly surprised
<drakonis>
they have devs committing kernel code right now
<drakonis>
not a lot right now
<samueldr>
AFAIK it's all conjecture what the talk will actually mean
<ashkitten>
honestly, if they decide to support nouveau i may have to reconsider what i said in the past about never buying nvidia again
<samueldr>
so there's no word to keep yet
<ashkitten>
fair enough
<samueldr>
just tempering expectations as there's been so much conjecture about it
<drakonis>
oh dear god they have people commiting to nouveau now
<samueldr>
the most information we can get is that they're likely to have given or to give the information to nouveau to work with the signed firmwares
<drakonis>
again
<samueldr>
that's the base level of expectations, anything more is simply great :)
<ashkitten>
i don't have any good expectation of them, given their past business practices
<drakonis>
this year will be so strange because nvidia is paying people to work on linux kernel stuff again
<drakonis>
the most important thing is pushing the signed binaries necessary for reclocking on hardware released after kepler
<samueldr>
I think they've always been for the jetson stuff
<drakonis>
this isnt jetson code though
<jared-w>
huh, pinephone looks cool
<ashkitten>
ah yeah because nouveau currently runs like garbage due to not being able to reclock, yeah?
<drakonis>
yes
<drakonis>
like massive crap
<ashkitten>
so it always runs at the lowest possible clock speed
<samueldr>
drakonis: I was saying that since you said "work on linux kernel stuff" but I don't think they ever stopped
<ashkitten>
but nouveau is broken in other ways on newer gpus, right?
<drakonis>
yes
<jared-w>
I've never had good luck with it in general, tbh
<drakonis>
there's a tegra specific driver on linux though
<drakonis>
this is work specific to nouveau
<drakonis>
nouveau doesnt do cuda
<drakonis>
the whole thing is related to amd and intel being able to push nvidia out of the cloud compute market
<drakonis>
no other reason to why
<ashkitten>
i'd love to be able to run wayland on my desktop
<drakonis>
same
<ashkitten>
i'll probably end up getting an amd gpu in the future anyways because it has better performance for things i want to do, but i want to see nvidia get into free software
<drakonis>
that's the plan here
<drakonis>
hm, now i'm curious, i wonder if their initial goal is to bring up functioning ampere gpus
<adisbladis>
ashkitten: Where do you live btw?
<adisbladis>
I'd love to get my hands on a cosmo, if even only for a bit
<ashkitten>
i'm in the pnw
<adisbladis>
Hm, ok :(
<adisbladis>
Too far away
<ashkitten>
i'm sure you can find someone with a cosmo
<adisbladis>
I wanna see just how much in common it has with the gemini
<adisbladis>
ashkitten: Yeah but also someone willing to flash it ;)
<ashkitten>
mine hasn't even been shipped yet
<ashkitten>
dvorak cosmos seem to be among the last
<adisbladis>
dvorak cosmos even <3
<ashkitten>
i wonder if the cosmo will have usb power delivery for both usb ports or just one
<ashkitten>
i don't want to have only one port that supports fast charging
<joepie91>
I think someone in revspace got theirs already
<joepie91>
in #revspace *
<drakonis>
haha nvidia's implementing their eglstreams stuff on gbm
<joepie91>
actually hold on, Peetz0r is already here
<Peetz0r>
oh hey
<joepie91>
adisbladis: ashkitten: for all your so-what's-the-Cosmo-really-like questions ^
<joepie91>
:P
<Peetz0r>
wait
<Peetz0r>
should I just give the tl;dr?
<Peetz0r>
the keyboard is weird. it takes a while of getting used to
<joepie91>
one of the questions (see above) was about PD :P
<adisbladis>
I'm more interested in the software stack and how similar it is to the gemini
<Peetz0r>
I'm not yet sure if it's better than a good on-screen-keyboard-app on a right sized screen
<Peetz0r>
oh wait there is no PD
<Peetz0r>
there is some weird propietary mediatek fastcharging stuff
<adisbladis>
Ugh -.-
<Peetz0r>
also no displayport alt mode
<adisbladis>
So that's the same as the gemini
<samueldr>
:/
<ashkitten>
Peetz0r: oh, i thought they said it has pd
<samueldr>
phones with DP alt mode are so rare
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<Peetz0r>
also it has two type-c ports and they do not behave the same. only one shows up as an android device
<Peetz0r>
both work for charging, but afaik also not identically
<Peetz0r>
but... nobody has questions about the keyboard?
<samueldr>
wondering if it's because the OS doesn't configure them both, or if one really doesn't support being a gadget
<ashkitten>
eh, i've used my friend's gemini
<ashkitten>
keyboard isn't a concern to me
<Peetz0r>
fair nuff
<samueldr>
Peetz0r: wrong crowd here, operating system crowd in a way ;)
<Peetz0r>
I could add that the keyboard backlight is very nice
<Peetz0r>
also ashkitten I have a question for you. how well stabilised are your keys?
<Peetz0r>
do you often get unintended double key presses?
<ashkitten>
i haven't received mine
<adisbladis>
Peetz0r: How do you program for the external display?
<Peetz0r>
adisbladis: you pray to the Planet Computer devs and that's about it
<Peetz0r>
...sadly
<ashkitten>
oof
<ashkitten>
this is unfortunate. i gave my contribution under the premise that it was gonna be a more open platform than it ended up being
<qyliss>
The Gemini or whatever it was called wasn't particularly open either, was it?
<ashkitten>
i will definitely be using it, since i like the form factor a lot, but i'm not sure what i'll be able to do with it i guess
<samueldr>
it's apparently a good conversation starter
<ashkitten>
maybe i'll get a pinephone at some point for actual linux development, if the cosmo doesn't work out for that
<adisbladis>
qyliss: Basically not at all open
<Peetz0r>
Also some apps break when forced to landscape
<adisbladis>
ashkitten: Btw, re compositors
<Peetz0r>
funnily in my case only my bank app, and only the login page of it :p
<adisbladis>
Kwin has hybris support, so plasma mobile will work properly once our hybris stack is up & running
<ashkitten>
that's good at least
<samueldr>
adisbladis: you saw my replies to your PRs using hybris?
<ashkitten>
i was planning to probably use kwin
<ashkitten>
er
<samueldr>
(I'm assuming you're eternally busy or something like that)
<ashkitten>
plasma mobile
<Peetz0r>
brb afk - feel free to add more questions in 30-ish minutes
<adisbladis>
samueldr: I've seen it but didn't feel motivated enough to work on it for a while
<samueldr>
I understand :)
<samueldr>
I'm working on generations support in stage-1 to better work on that
<samueldr>
it's not fun, for now, needing to build a new system image only to test something
<adisbladis>
samueldr: I think it would be nice to move hybris & friends to nixpkgs already
<adisbladis>
It would be nice to have binary cache
<samueldr>
once it's been proven to work
<samueldr>
we do not want churn in nixpkgs :)
<adisbladis>
samueldr: Well, I have successfully used it on top of gemian ;)
<samueldr>
impurities ahoy ;)
<adisbladis>
samueldr: Verified that no gemian libs are loaded
<adisbladis>
But OK, fair enough
<samueldr>
I don't remember what were the issues, it's been a small while, but I had issues with hybris, which could be user errors
<adisbladis>
samueldr: The thing is you need that damn android container
<samueldr>
not sure it's required
<samueldr>
at least, for GPU
<samueldr>
once I circle back to it, it'd help to talk about the issues
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<FireFly>
the form factor is great, but when I tried someone's gemini a bit I was a bit disappointed in the keyboard personally... hmm
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<adisbladis>
FireFly: The keyboard is OK, what sucks is you need to open the clam shell to see whos calling ;)
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<FireFly>
ouch..
<FireFly>
though not a problem if you virtually never take calls :p
<adisbladis>
FireFly: Same thing for pretty much every notification though
<adisbladis>
I think that's gonna be nice about the cosmo
<FireFly>
*nod*
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<Peetz0r>
Well, the notifications are a bit weird
<Peetz0r>
it basically only gives you the icon, not any text
<Peetz0r>
and it also goves you icons for apps running in the background that aren't really notifications
<Peetz0r>
gives*
<Peetz0r>
also it doesn't do anything useful for the alarm clock, you have to open the clamshell to snooze or dismiss
<Peetz0r>
I hope all of these things (and some other things) get fixed in cover display firmware updates
<Peetz0r>
also it's slow. it's as slow as it was on that video where everyone was quick to point out it was a debugging version running on a prototype
<Peetz0r>
well, the real thing is equally slow. <10fps I think.
<Peetz0r>
scrolling trough contacts is painful
<FireFly>
ouch
<Peetz0r>
(it does have a nice UI for calling and contacts - but almost everything else is very... unfinished)
<Peetz0r>
I really *really* hope they open this up to us - they have clearly shown that they are not great at writing firmware themselves
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<wildtrees>
Peetz0r, the cosmo communicator runs at 10 fps or the gemini does?
<Peetz0r>
the cover display on the outside of the cosmo communicator
<Peetz0r>
the main display is perfectly fine
<Peetz0r>
since it's my main phone I will not be trying any other os on it, since I require things that are Android/iOS only such as whatsapp
<Peetz0r>
sadly but true
<Peetz0r>
otoh, I might switch to a setup that I keep whatsapp on a old spare phone at home and just use Whatsapp Web in the browser on the cosmo
<Peetz0r>
which could enable me to run anything else - if it gets 4G and voice support on the linux side
<Peetz0r>
might actually be worth looking into
<wildtrees>
Peetz0r, can you send and receive calls without opening the cosmo?
<Peetz0r>
yes I can
<Peetz0r>
if I survive the horrible scrolling trough the contacts on the cover display ;)
<Peetz0r>
(for the top 5 recent
<Peetz0r>
(for the top 5 recent ones, yes easily)
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<wildtrees>
Peetz0r, tried any of the nix on droid things on it yet? ;) my scrubby phone I have is only 32 bit though and the things I have seen need 64-bit arm to run
<Peetz0r>
haven't tried anything but android yet
<adisbladis>
Peetz0r: nix-on-droid is not nixos-mobile ;)