gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<aleph-> gchristensen: Christ
<aleph-> gchristensen: Didn't verizon pay $1-3B?
<gchristensen> they bought all of Yahoo
<gchristensen> Yahoo paid 1.1B back when they first bought Tumblr, when Tumblr was independent
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<adisbladis> I remember when they were acquired by yahoo, they were one of the biggest clients at my work
<adisbladis> Then shortly after that there was cost cutting and they didn't want to use contractors any more
<adisbladis> gchristensen: I wonder if you worked with those guys :)
<gchristensen> oh!
<gchristensen> quite possibly, if they were old timers
<pie__> wow this channel could have bought tumblr with a few mortgages :p
<adisbladis> I only remember the names of Felix and Caesar from those days
<gchristensen> oh yeah Felix
<gchristensen> I don't remember a Ceasar. Felix was still there though.
<adisbladis> gchristensen: When did you join tumblr?
<gchristensen> uh
<gchristensen> mid 2016
<adisbladis> gchristensen: Felix got employ directly with tumblr after the contract with that place ended
<adisbladis> That was back in 2013
<adisbladis> :)
<gchristensen> nice
<adisbladis> So way before your time
<adisbladis> I enjoyed working with him :)
<gchristensen> it was a mega weird time to be joining
<adisbladis> Why so
<gchristensen> Verizon started buying right after I joined
<gchristensen> so a lot of fear about layoffs
<aanderse> am i bad at git, or am i not allowed to push to r-ryantms PRs?
<aanderse> ... or both -_-
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<infinisil> aanderse: You need to add a separate remote
<infinisil> Well at least that's what I do
<infinisil> have an r-ryantm remote, fetch it, check out the branch of the PR, push to it
<aanderse> infinisil: thanks
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<pie__> unrelated
<pie__> something something systems engineering
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<eyJhb> pie__: well, my meeting got cancelled :p
<pie__> eyJhb: postponed or cancelled?
<pie__> not sure if happy or say
<pie__> sad
<pie__> on on ehand you made the presentation
<eyJhb> pie__: Well, postponed I should have said. - Yeah, but it really sucks. Because I need the funding
<eyJhb> Like, studying and having another jobs besides this, which I don't work on because I like this project doesn't pay the bills
<eyJhb> But how is it going with your harddrive pie__ ?
<pie__> eek :I
<pie__> well, seemed like a lost cause so i just started copying stuff back on it
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<eyJhb> Ahh, how much is it?
<pie__> few hundred gigs, doable in the background
<pie__> its almost done
<eyJhb> Ahh
<eyJhb> I should have a backup at some point of $HOME
<pie__> "the best day to make a backup is today"
<pie__> look at me, i just made my backups and already lost/used them! ;P
<eyJhb> pie__: what do you use for backups? :p
<pie__> i have an external drive
<pie__> and through mostly coincidence happen to be using syncoid to copy my snapshots over
<pie__> this is the first time im using it so
<eyJhb> Ahh, yeah okay. I would properly end up using my server
<eyJhb> With my bad discs
<eyJhb> But bad discs are almost better than none
<pie__> especially with zfs
<pie__> well, depends on what you mean by bad :P
<eyJhb> *ext4
<eyJhb> I think SMART says they are almost failing
<pie__> not sure what the smart outputs even mean TBH
<pie__> if you have enough drives that you can swap them as they fail i suppose that could work without even losing any real backup capability
<pie__> as long as they dont fail at the same time, which can be probable under circumstances like...power surge? flood? earthquake? armageddon?
<pie__> we we're talking about amazon's SLA in the face of WWIII the other day
<pie__> *were
<eyJhb> Never ever felt a earthquake in my entire life, power surge, much more... But yeah. I have just thrown all the discs I have into my server. Some are 5+ years old...
<eyJhb> Should properly check which I can use. But I mean, as long as I mirror them I whould be fine
<eyJhb> And I have a 4 TB WD RED that is only like two years ol,d should be good
<pie__> probably make sure your monitoring and notifications work :P
<pie__> and that it actualy is a backup and not the single copy :P
<eyJhb> I have a weekly notification from fatso that tells me if notifications work, and docker healthchecks for the rest :p
<eyJhb> Backup and not a single copy? What do you mean?
<pie__> dont use it as extra storage space :P
<pie__> unless you have faith in your mirrors
<pie__> just the fact that its a physically separate machine from your work machine is one redundancy factor, if i had a choice, with how many times i screwed up my active disks
<pie__> id keep a third backup set as offline copies?
<pie__> of course screwing up active disks would happen less if you werent actively trying to make changes to them...
<pie__> and then when you have too much money and important data, actual offsite backups xD
<pie__> out of these i have one semi-offline disk. namely the external backup.
<pie__> re: wanting a third, cold copy, because of examples of screwing up this one
<pie__> so....to relabel everything i just said...active, staging, backup? :P
<eyJhb> I just made a huge mistake of looking at my ROP bufferoverflow from yesterday, and now I am too tired to function...
<eyJhb> But you are right pie__ , should properly do that... :p I actually think I have a cold copy at my dads
<pie__> everything is a constant microcosm of the same stuff :I its like locking /version control/ idk/ all over again
<eyJhb> But I really have no files that would make sense to store cold like that, as my projects change so often... And most if not everything is git
<pie__> eyJhb: its not like ive done it properly, this is just a small brain dump from the past few days
<eyJhb> pie__: true...
<eyJhb> My next project is still converting my server to NixOS
<pie__> i store copies of my old project
<pie__> s
<eyJhb> I should seperate my projects and my git projects...
<pie__> sure, if you dont care about your data, done need backups, [shrug emoji] xD
<eyJhb> My current projects folder is 33GB
<pie__> *dont
<pie__> by git do you mean uploaded to github or what?
<eyJhb> And somehow my go/ folder is 25GB
<pie__> dont ask me whats taking up 600 gigs for me, i dont really know
<eyJhb> I mean git projects, like.. I have `projects/git/`, which is a folder only with projects on github/gitlab that I have cloned or are working on
<pie__> dont see why that precludes a backup unless youre actively uploading your changes to github
<eyJhb> Yeah, I guess pros and cons. Maybe OTHER git projects, and my own
<eyJhb> Because I have a tendency of cloning a git project, just to play with it and never deleting it again
<pie__> *sjrug*
<eyJhb> I should properly have some kind of structure in my $HOME folder :p
<pie__> i always find ontology hard
<eyJhb> I also have /data, is another SSD in my laptop, which is somewhat just used for VMs
<pie__> my stuff is still a mess but maybe its *less* of a mess now? :/
<pie__> im pretty (but not very) liberal with creating new zfs datasets for anything that takes up more than a small amount of space and lasts a while
<pie__> got stuff like library, home, movies, work, dump
<pie__> xD
<pie__> dump is where everything that i need to sort goes
<pie__> its a bad place :I
<eyJhb> I should properly use ZFS at some point...
<eyJhb> Hahhaahaha
<eyJhb> "You must never go there pie__!"
<pie__> lol
<pie__> maybe thats where all my space went..
<eyJhb> Hhaha
<eyJhb> I should properly also exclude `Downloads/`
<pie__> also a bad place
<eyJhb> Also.. I should find that config that allows me to specify the name of Downloads, Pictures, etc..
<pie__> well not anymore since i moved the last batch to dump
<pie__> dump is the new downloads
<eyJhb> My brother had a Downloads the size of 1 TB I think
<eyJhb> Because, why not.. The load times on Windows was .. unbearable
<pie__> xD
<eyJhb> Wth.. I just started looking at some reports. We are hosting a CSGO bot thingy
<eyJhb> Ahh, going from "Peaceful Piano" to "Bass Explosion"
<joepie91> eyJhb: link pls
<eyJhb> joepie91: which ones?
<eyJhb> I like both. But bass explosion is so much better when I have my headphones.. And I lost them
<joepie91> oh, not in one track :P
* joepie91 likes genre fusion thingems
<eyJhb> "one track"? :D Playlist sorry
<eyJhb> Like the mega videos you find on YouTube which are 2hours long?
<joepie91> no
<joepie91> like literally one track that merges multiple very divergent styles
<eyJhb> Example please? :D
<pie__> i think thats usually called progressive?
<pie__> (i think?)
<joepie91> pie__: nah, 'fusion' is a more common term
<joepie91> eyJhb: ex. lindsey stirling, savant
<pie__> all i can think of is dragon balls damnit
<pie__> do not like xD
<pie__> i need some sleep
<pie__> cmon ive onl ybeen awake like 12 hours...
<eyJhb> pie__: what is the time?
<eyJhb> joepie91: listening
<pie__> eyJhb: noon
<manveru> reminds me... gotta buy headphones again :|
<eyJhb> pie__: My Achilles heel .... Hate those definitions :/
<eyJhb> manveru: get me some too!
<pie__> eyJhb: huh?
<pie__> i would say 12PM but i always get that mixed up
<eyJhb> Terms like noon etc. It always seems like everyone defines it differently
<eyJhb> So if anybody use such terms with me, I basically just meet up at some point in the day
<pie__> oh
<pie__> i thought noon is a relatively unambiguous 12 but i dunno
<pie__> my solution is easy :P i generally dont meet with people x'D
<manveru> eyJhb: i just wish that stuff wasn't so expensive :(
<pie__> i bought some cheap 10 euro earbuds :V
<pie__> could be worse
<manveru> been kinda happy with the bose 35 qc, but only got them because my employer paid for it :P
<joepie91> pie__: you can get very good earbuds for 10 EUR!
<joepie91> if you shop around
<joepie91> Kanen MD-52 used to be the shit, and they were like 4 EUR
<pie__> oh i just got them at the supermarket
<pie__> not great bu
<pie__> t
<manveru> i have to return them, and i'm used to bluetooth now... what to do :P
<eyJhb> manveru: Agreed.. If I have lost mine, it would actually make sense to contact my insurance
<pie__> "murders in my area are about to rise"
* eyJhb suspects pie__
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<adisbladis> pie__: There is actually a sub 10 euro pair of in-ears that sounds good ;)
<adisbladis> The Sony MH755
<adisbladis> I bought a few legit ones from this seller https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/202218346275
<adisbladis> You should mod the cable
<adisbladis> But seriously, they sound great
* adisbladis <3 headphones
<eyJhb> Sucks I can't use such headphones...
<eyJhb> I really need them, like.. In-ear in ear kinda headphones
<eyJhb> Yay for long links
<adisbladis> eyJhb: The one I linked is an in-ear
<adisbladis> And probably sounds better than the Bose too
<eyJhb> Yeah, but not like the ones I linked adisbladis :p They need to fit around inside the ear
<eyJhb> Else they just fall out :(
<adisbladis> eyJhb: Meh, get Etymotic ER2
<adisbladis> It doesn't have the thing going into the helix but it has deep insertion so I'd be impressed if you managed to make it fall out
<adisbladis> Also I think you're just using incorrect tip sizes
<eyJhb> Just going to PM you real quick :p
<adisbladis> :)
<adisbladis> That's the XR though, emphasised bass
<eyJhb> Just as to not post anymore ... sensitive data :p
<joepie91> interesting development at $localHackerspace's weekly barbecue: since someone started centrally purchasing vegetarian meat-replacement thingies (and offering it as an option), the amount of barbecue participants picking vegetarian has been steadily rising
<joepie91> 10 meat, 6 vegetarian, right now
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<Taneb> A lot of vegetarian barbecue food is very nice
<joepie91> Taneb: dunno, it's only recently that good off-the-shelf 'meat replacements' have appeared here
<joepie91> suitable for BBQs
<joepie91> there's a lot of stuff like corn cobs etc. that you can BBQ but that doesn't fit well into our process :P
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<eyJhb> test
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<eyJhb> God damn it...
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<eyJhb> I think most places in DK has it? THough I do not like for it
<eyJhb> Btw. etu how is it going with the antenna?
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<adisbladis> eyJhb: Seemed to be going well :)
<adisbladis> He was super excited about it when I met him the other day :D
<eyJhb> He was too with me/us :D All those fittings and lovely cables!
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<eyJhb> adisbladis: how long are you staying?
<adisbladis> Where?
<eyJhb> Stockholm? Weren't it a hollidays kinda thing?
<adisbladis> It was just over the weekend
<adisbladis> I'm back in london
<eyJhb> Ahh
<eyJhb> So from Sweden, but living in London?
<adisbladis> Yep
<eyJhb> Ah, makes sense :p Uni I assume?
<adisbladis> eyJhb: Nope :)
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<infinisil> Goddamnit
<infinisil> Our internet is broken again
<infinisil> Well, our internet *connection*
<infinisil> For some reason the router won't reply with DNS requests
<infinisil> And doesn't forward DNS packets to the gateway either
<infinisil> And how can I debug this? Yeah I can't, reset and restart
<infinisil> Back before we got this fritz box, I told my family "I want to get a router to myself with openwrt, this will be much more flexible and debuggable"
<infinisil> But noooo, they all just wanted something that Just Works (tm), which the FritzBox advertised itself as
<infinisil> Oh and actually, maybe it's not the router after all, but our Devolo powerline things
<infinisil> These are also very very screwy and we're having continuous problems with them
<infinisil> Or it might just be our power cables at home
<infinisil> Though it works fine most of the time, not sure why it suddenly would stop
<eyJhb> Sooo infinisil , I am guessing a great day?
<infinisil> YES VERY
<eyJhb> You might need a virtual hug and a pie
<eyJhb> What is the plan of action then? Throwing out the box and getting something else?
<infinisil> I haven't tried resetting it completely yet
<eyJhb> Remember the last option, smash it with a hammer.
<eyJhb> It will not solve it, but it will make you happy for a short while
<infinisil> With this I'd at least know whether it's broken or not
<infinisil> And damn, whoever designed this web interface should be punished
<infinisil> There's like 8 sections on the left, where you can select one, which then expands to 8 sub sections
<infinisil> And in each of those subsections you have a different view, with potentially multiple tabs up top
<infinisil> So that's three levels of hierarchy
<infinisil> But do they have a search function? No!
<infinisil> It took me and my brother like 20 minutes to find the DNS settings
<infinisil> Oh and don't even expect to use the sections names to look for something specific
<infinisil> </rant>
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<infinisil> Okay so I'm 99% sure it's not on my side
<infinisil> It's my ISP that fucked stuff up
<infinisil> My dad just told me he also had problems with another sim card
<averell> well, lucky you if you can change DNS settings :) many fritz boxes are locked down so that you can't, then you need https://github.com/olistudent/FBEditor
<infinisil> averell: Oh that sounds interesting
<infinisil> It's really hard to work on my bachelor project without internet, because I don't have the docs locally :(
<infinisil> While I can run a hoogle (haskell docs) server locally, I have to set that up first, which is hard if the internet connection is so flakey
<infinisil> I guess I could just firefox /nix/store/...-some-haskell-package-docs/.../index.html manually
<manveru> infinisil: try https://devdocs.io/ next time :)
<manveru> though i guess that's not super useful for specific haskell library docs...
<infinisil> Yeah..
<manveru> hoogle never seemed to give me much more than the function signature
<manveru> but i'm sure that's just because haskell folks are too proud to write docs :P
<infinisil> Oh I meant haddock, not hoogle
<infinisil> But yeah there's a lot of librarise that could use more docs :)
<manveru> looks like after building euphenix for static site generation, i next need some little cms for writing the blog posts... :|
<manveru> i never seem to run out of yaks to shave
<tazjin> can I determine whether sandboxing is enabled within an expression?
<tazjin> (please don't ask why for now)
<gchristensen> uh oh
<gchristensen> maybe look at how nix-info works
<tazjin> gchristensen: does nix-info work if called inside of a derivation?! `info.sh` calls `nix-build`and I would have expected that to require recursive Nix
<tazjin> oh
<tazjin> I see
<gchristensen> nix-info does not work inside a build
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<infinisil> Well, um, I may have figured out the problem with the internet
<gchristensen> unplugged
<gchristensen> ?
<infinisil> Nah
<gchristensen> :D
<infinisil> Just now when I ran mtr (advanced traceroute)
<infinisil> It looks like there is a routing loop..
<gchristensen> oops
<infinisil> Goes from my router to, to,,,,, ...
<gchristensen> not nice
<infinisil> Oh actually, that might have been an artifact from traceroute
<gchristensen> who is 10.176... and 192.168...? those are private IPs
<infinisil> That seems more likely actually
<infinisil> It's all behind NAT and stuff
<infinisil> Wait no, it would be weird if this was a traceroute artifact
<infinisil> Yeah that's definitely a loop somewhere
<infinisil> Lol and actually, this sometimes even loops back to my router at home
<infinisil> There's 2 AS involved in this: One is AS3303 which is my ISP, and the other is AS6453, which is Tata Communications in the USA..
<gchristensen> Tata Communications is an Indian company
<gchristensen> ...weird
<infinisil> Definitely feels like something screwy is going on, but then again with how our internet works, this is not uncommon..
<infinisil> BGP isn't secure, and neither are many other protocols used in the stack
<gchristensen> hrm nothing here https://twitter.com/bgpstream
<gchristensen> oops
<gchristensen> AS6453 does a lot of this apparenly
<infinisil> Oh neat site