gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
<colemickens> I'm willing to put $500 towards a sane wireguard solution in NixOS. ref: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/52411 I'm even willing to abandon NM.
<{^_^}> #52411 (by anderspapitto, 32 weeks ago, open): Support network-namespace based wireguard vpn setup [feature request]
<gchristensen> what makes it sane?
<colemickens> that it works
<gchristensen> what doesn't work for you?
<gchristensen> the two problems I know of are (1) dns resolution in wg happens only at startup,which is bad when it starts before dns works. (2) vpns don't work
<colemickens> Yes, #2.
<colemickens> also, I feel like I am maybe overly tired or something, but I can't seem to pull anything relatively large from the cache right now in Spain. Trying from a 10Mb down hotel connection or my phone's full signal LTE connection. It's probably a sign to leave it for tomorrow, but it's confusing me.
<gchristensen> are you on ipv6?
<colemickens> hm, from my phone at least, yes.
<colemickens> and the hotel wifi is suspect ;)
<gchristensen> :)
<gchristensen> the cache has been acting poorly under ipv6 :/
<clever> ,cache
<gchristensen> if anyone is in the market for a devopsey NixOS job in the bay area https://groq.bamboohr.com/jobs/view.php?id=12
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<etu> Woo, it's donate to nixos day of the month :)
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<adisbladis> gchristensen: Some of my HK friends are telling me that the cache is unbearably slow in asia
<__monty__> Isn't that business as usual?
<adisbladis> __monty__: It was solved once before. HK internet speeds are great so that's not the limiting factor here.
<__monty__> I simply assumed fastly might not have great service over there.
<adisbladis> __monty__: Yeah... :/
<__monty__> Maybe it's widespread monitoring/throttling because of the protests?
<adisbladis> __monty__: Nope, unrelated
<adisbladis> __monty__: HK internet is not throttled and not monitored
<adisbladis> Not monitored as in the mainland at least
<__monty__> Except china clearly wants to subsume it and nothing prevents them from doing so?
<adisbladis> __monty__: This has been an issue pretty much since the change to fastly.
<__monty__> Ah.
<adisbladis> It seems fastly is very slow when it needs to fetch from the origin
<adisbladis> As in ~200k speeds from a dedicated gigabit office connection
<adisbladis> I ran some non-scientific tests from another HK connection and experienced several seconds of waiting before the transfer even started....
<adisbladis> I'll move over to #nixos-dev to discuss this, I think it's a better place
<__monty__> Yes, 't is a silly place here.
<adisbladis> ^_^
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<Taneb> gchristensen: when you did the nix office hours, what sort of thing was discussed?
<infinisil> Taneb: I'm also wondering, I haven't heard anything about it
<aanderse> it was good
<aanderse> nix on windows was discussed a bit
<aanderse> github community organization was discussed
<aanderse> we went through some PRs
<aanderse> geoffrey huntly had some awesome stuff to say about utilizing github more
<aanderse> and someone was offered to help him out with getting nixos into the windows store, possibly with some WSL stuff?
<infinisil> I see, thanks :D
<aanderse> yeah it didn't even really have that "first time" vibe to it that much, thanks to gchristensen :) very smooth
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<gchristensen> next is Friday! 3pm America/New_York. Same info as here: https://twitter.com/grhmc/status/1151930147605553152 but tomorrow
<aanderse> woo!
<etu> gchristensen: How many hours until it starts?
<aanderse> 31?
<etu> Then I don't have to calculate the difference in timezone :D
<aanderse> yeah 31
<etu> Thanks :)
<gchristensen> etu: what is your TZ?
<etu> gchristensen: CEST, 21:00 tomorrow you say :)
<Taneb> Hmm I can attend that
<aanderse> :)
<adisbladis> gchristensen: Must we use zoom? :/
<adisbladis> I have serious issues with zoom, both ideological and practical
<tazjin> gchristensen: I'd like to collect some statistics in Nixery (from the public instance) to improve the layering algorithm with some manual-ish overrides, see https://github.com/google/nixery/issues/15
<{^_^}> google/nixery#15 (by tazjin, 21 hours ago, open): Statistics collection to improve layering
<tazjin> if you have any ideas about that please let me know
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<pie_> I cant remember how to get nix-prefetch-github to get a specific branch
<pie_> there was some weird naming scheme for revs
<pie_> well not weird, probably how got normally does it
<pie_> wrong chan but this works too
<pie_> ok i figured out the format
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<andi-> Now that I have my android device back I wish there were a declarative way to describe all the settings..
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<ajs124> andi-: Someone forked[1] this project I started. It allows you to build an AOSP based rom, including custom applications, for your phone. With some effort, you might actually be able to build configs, as well. [1]: https://github.com/danielfullmer/NixDroid
<andi-> I fear the time I would have to put into that would be > the time I use my device
<adisbladis> ajs124: O.o
<adisbladis> ajs124++
<{^_^}> ajs124's karma got increased to 2
* adisbladis wants to hear more about this madness
<ajs124> andi-: think of the greater good. It might take more time than you personally use your device, but what about the other 3 people that might be crazy enough to deploy it?
<ajs124> adisbladis: are you sure?
<adisbladis> ajs124: It's just the right brand of crazy
<manveru> adisbladis: there's not a whole lot of alternatives to zoom that allow recording...
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<manveru> and that still work with that many people
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<adisbladis> manveru: I ended up working around my issue https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-office-hours/2762/19?u=adisbladis
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<adisbladis> Not the ideological one obviously, but at least I can run zoom without getting wm weirdness or crazy audio distortion
<manveru> ah ok
<manveru> yeah, for smaller groups i like https://meet.jit.si/ :)
<ajs124> I haven't looked too much into that fork, which adds stuff like custom applications, so idk what it does, but my project... well, it uses a patched "repo", to generate nix code, fetches android (lineage os) that way and compiles it in a fhsenv. It's pretty straightforward, once you stop asking yourself "why?".
<ajs124> And obviously, it decleratively configures a hydra to do all of this, because who wants to build things "manually".
<manveru> been using zoom desktop client for 1-2 years now without issues (also multi-monitor) but on normal xorg
<adisbladis> manveru: Which WM?
<manveru> i3
<gchristensen> I just did a 2h zoom call with screensharing on sway/wayland with your script adisbladis, and it worked flawlessly
<adisbladis> \o/
<ajs124> Sway can do screensharing?
<gchristensen> adisbladis's script runs xypher and icewm
<gchristensen> so I ran the screens I wanted to share inside that xypher instance
<ajs124> Ah, ok. So no native wayland support for it?
<tazjin> manveru: Hangouts can do recordings, as long as the oganiser has a GSuite account
<tazjin> and it doesn't require any clients to be installed other than a browser
<ajs124> Do any wayland compositors do middle click selection and pasting, nowadays?
<manveru> tazjin: not sure if that fixes the ideological issue :)
<tazjin> I don't have an ideological issue with Hangouts ;-)
<manveru> :)
<manveru> i don't do ideology, so i don't care either... you have to ask adisbladis :)
<pie_> joepie91: might be interesting to revisit this now https://discourse.nixos.org/t/strong-opinion-library-packaging/295/
<pie_> joepie91: i only peeked at the beginning
<joepie91> pie_: can you remind me tomorrow? :P
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<f0x> .
<ashkitten> who was struggling to get ffxiv working with proton before? proton 4.11 just dropped with fixes for the issue, and since the last update the game itself doesn't rely on wine exports to know what license to check for, so it works oob now (provided you don't click the login button)
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<pie_> joepie91: if i remember
<joepie91> thanks :)
<pie_> oh boy time to fight gtk vala and nixos icon handling
<pie_> no idea how this stuf fworks
<pie_> not sure if the application is at fault (i checked the code, i think it is) or unset paths or something
<gchristensen> I tried recording another zoom call and it got video but no audio :(
<gchristensen> zooooom!
<qyliss> something something tiny open source violin
<gchristensen> yeah
<gchristensen> it sounds so sweet and small
<pie_> I want to try using gnome-pie with my tablet but almost all the icons are broken :c
<gchristensen> NixOS Office Hours will be held tomorrow, 3pm. info: https://twitter.com/grhmc/status/1156985565268647936 & https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-office-hours/2762/20
<eyJhb> Sweden is like Denmark, but everything is written in broken Danish :(
<eyJhb> Anybody have experience with - http://iqcast.tv/ ?
<pie_> wew...this looks like some reading material... http://geer.tinho.net/geer.source.27iv17.txt geer.tinho.net/pubs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Geer
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<eyJhb> adisbladis: somewhat spot on actually
<eyJhb> I have already been asked to help while I was shopping. They did NOT expect me to start speaking Danish to them
<eyJhb> Btw. wth is up with not having knives anywhere??
<__monty__> They don't have knives scattered about the street in Sweden? What a weird place.
<eyJhb> __monty__: went to two different "supermarkets", no knives... :/
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<eyJhb> Like, standard kitchen knives... And my room has none...
<eyJhb> I think it might be because of the murders in IKEA that happened some time ago
<joepie91> I don't think supermarkets here sell knives either?
<joepie91> try household stores? :P
<eyJhb> Ended up finding somehting else, so I could file down my cables to match the sockets :p
<__monty__> They definitely do here, joepie91. Granted, the bigger ones.
<__monty__> Do scandi sockets differ from mainland EU?
<eyJhb> I guess Weechat does not save logs for every message sent... - But most of this day, has just been little hacks to get stuff working, or foood
<__monty__> eyJhb: Autolog all the things!
<eyJhb> :( I thought it did that
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<adisbladis> __monty__: Nope, same sockets
<manveru> http://everynoise.com/ so cool :)
<__monty__> Then what's this filing about?
<infinisil> manveru: That is pretty cool
<pie_> seriously? lol.. "I think it might be because of the murders in IKEA that happened some time ago"
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<ldlework> i wish the music would just keep going
<pie_> joepie91: wooooooo finalyl got wikidpad with python 3 going...only took a suuper slow going wxpython pr! (still not merged)
<ldlework> pie_ if you like wikidpad, you might really like org-mode
<pie_> ldlework: yeah but i need to learn it and i havent gotten there yet
<pie_> ldlework: tbf i use wikidpad as a very bad text editor with a tree, im horrible
<ldlework> the nice thing about org-mode is that you can start by just treating it as an outliner
<pie_> i cant even emacs
<pie_> its on my list i just havent gotten there yet
<ldlework> the nice thing about emacs is that you can start by just treating it as a text editor
<ldlework> hehe
<pie_> ;P
<ldlework> pie_: i love these kinds of tools though
<{^_^}> #55681 (by deliciouslytyped, 24 weeks ago, open): Wikidpad package (WIP)
<ldlework> pie_: have you ever heard of leo
<pie_> no
<ldlework> it might be even harder than emacs to sufficiently describe
<ldlework> There's also Pyzo, https://pyzo.org/screenshots.html
<ldlework> Though Pyzo's not really the same thing
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<pie_> hm
<pie_> ill definitely keep the links around
<ldlework> Leo is like not-text-based-org-mode where each item is a rich, full-object backed outline node
<pie_> at the end of the day i do need something to use xD
<pie_> yeah emacs does sound a bit not perfect in that its limited to its text grid and whatever
<ldlework> a bit limited?
<ldlework> there's thousands of things made for emacs, it's probably sufficient :D
<gchristensen> including web browsers, window managers, image viewers
<__monty__> Pdf readers iirc.
<ldlework> pie_ but i know what you meant
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<qyliss> emacs isn't limited to a text grid either, really
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