<sir_guy_carleton>
samueldr: okay, that worked, thanks!
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<adisbladis[m]>
It's highly advisable to use ssh instead imo
<adisbladis[m]>
An access token is not much better than a password
<adisbladis[m]>
An ssh key can be stored in secure hardware or be protected by a strong passphrase
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<sphalerite>
Anyone know a good way to find things to disable to get a kernel building faster?
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<srk>
sphalerite: curious about that as well, armv7l multiplatform builds nouveau and bunch of unnecessary things
<sphalerite>
srk: specific things are pretty easy to get rid of. I've removed nouveau by just setting DRM_NOUVEAU n
<srk>
cool. guess I'll run menuconfig anyway to generate smallish config for pi3
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<manveru>
does anyone know how often NUR gets updated?
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<sphalerite>
manveru: whenever your cache of it expires
<sphalerite>
oh you mean the lock file?
<sphalerite>
that *looks* like it's done daily by travis
<sphalerite>
I suppose Mic92 would be the one to ask about that though.
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<manveru>
yeah, if he was around :)
<infinisil>
,tell
<{^_^}>
infinisil: Use `,tell john Remember to do the laundry` to send this to john next time he's talking in this channel
<infinisil>
manveru: ^^
<infinisil>
:P
<manveru>
:P
<manveru>
it's alright, got a better solution
<manveru>
just need it to update once a day or so
<manveru>
scylla is such a fun project :)
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<manveru>
is it just me, or is the forum really cool, lots of neat stuff every day
<joepie91>
manveru: which? the nixos discourse?
<manveru>
yeah
<manveru>
i think it really helps the community
<gchristensen>
it is so cool!
<andi->
I would never thought that it would have such a good impact... I always preferred mailing lists myself. It is just a uniform interface across all the "forums" out there
<samueldr>
uniform for you, but each user can have its own interface, (though it's not necessarily bad)
<manveru>
i just like that it gives more visibility to all the cool stuff going on, without having to dig through mail archives
<andi->
I am using it via email and so far it works fine.. If I could just teach K-9 Mail on my phone to reply with the correc source address
<__monty__>
Mailing lists have a high threshold to joining imo. I'm not interested in most threads probably so it's lots of junkmail. Upon joining you're in the middle of a bunch of threads so it takes a lot of reading to get with it. You have to keep track of threads as they happen because replying to something when everyone's forgotten is useless. At least on a forum an answer to an old thread can still be
<__monty__>
useful for people who find the thread through a search.
<andi->
Thats true.. still I like the a bit better then forums. They can move places, change software, ... without ever having the user do anything about it or even notice. I have collection of tools to import previous messages from an archive into my local maildir.. Not everyone likes that but I don't mind carrying the stuff with me. It isn't much compared to the amount of binaries in /nix anyway..
<__monty__>
I agree forums are also terrible : )
<samueldr>
there are also two goals in conflict here: making it a nice platform for newcomers and making it a nice platform for long-time users / deeply rooted contributors
<samueldr>
the former doesn't require much "baggage", and has to have the least amount of friction, for the latter, friction is much less important, though "baggage" is much more important to those users
<samueldr>
and by baggage, I mean the history, threading, custom interfaces, etc, mainly those features that makes mailing lists harder to hop in for the former group :/
<__monty__>
Also, you need a group in the intersection that tracks all of it...
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<gchristensen>
I'm thinking about doing something very silly
<gchristensen>
using Google Apps for sending mail, and hosting my own for email receipt
<sphalerite>
what's silly about that?
<LnL>
I basically do the opposite :p
<samueldr>
gchristensen: whatever comes from that idea, I'd be interested in knowing
<samueldr>
I'm "stuck" with a grandfathered gsuite for my domain and I don't want to lose youtube/google play stuff :/ it's not clear whether not using the mail portion of gsuite will eventually close down the account
<samueldr>
(and it's so frustrating how gsuite are a second-class citizen in google things)
<gchristensen>
YES! yes it is.
<gchristensen>
LnL: you maintain your own sending infra?
<gchristensen>
I thought sending email was the nightmare part to admin
<sphalerite>
♥ simple nixos mailserver
<sphalerite>
both sending and receiving work fine for me with that
<gchristensen>
for me, life is too short to deal with delivery problems
<gchristensen>
(for a time, my contract included "hazard pay" for administering mail servers)
<andi->
since I started to partially have external entities managing mail infrastructure for me I am migrating more and more back to self-hosted.. Things like custom aliases on custom domains are often way to complex to setup in any of the off-the-shelve solutions... Also having a proper spamfilter that I can train is worth a thousand times the effort it takes...
<gchristensen>
andi-: that is the part I want, but minus the headache of managing IP trust
<sphalerite>
is managing IP trust that hard? \:|
<andi->
The only problems I have had so far was with microsoft.. they require a one-time (or once every few years) web form...
<andi->
Otherwise don't use IP ranges of hosts where disposable VMs are usually being hosted..
<sphalerite>
oooh right
<andi->
also reverse dns is a requirement..
<samueldr>
andi-: how do you propose we avoid those IP ranges?
<sphalerite>
oh blargh I wanted to sleep
<samueldr>
(real legit question here)
* sphalerite
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<andi->
samueldr: have your own? :)
<andi->
j/k
<andi->
it's hard..
<LnL>
gchristensen: no, but I use a different service for sending with non gmail addresses
<gchristensen>
I'd rather "own" my own AS / IP block before I manage my own sending
<andi->
yep, that is a reasonable thing to do then :-)
<andi->
I miss the times when I had plenty of custom IP space to "play" with at the old job..
<gchristensen>
:D
<samueldr>
thoughts about mailgun for sending for personal use?
* andi-
googles mailgun
<LnL>
yeah, using a random ip from a cloud service probably isn't a good idea for that
<samueldr>
for transactional mail, it works great
<LnL>
samueldr: I think that's what I'm using
<gchristensen>
yeah that could be fine
<samueldr>
(10k sends per month ought to suffice)
<gchristensen>
haha yeah
<LnL>
and if it's more you should probably be paying something :)
<gchristensen>
now that Packet's BGP is free, maybe owning an AS isn't so unreasonable ... :D
* gchristensen
pinches himself
<andi->
gchristensen: not sure what pricing in the nanog region is but it is affordable over here
<andi->
you probably wont get a useful chunk of IPv4 thought..
<gchristensen>
that is the second problem
<andi->
On the other hand: It's time everyone wakes up and moves on from that ancient technology to the shiny "new" IPv6
<samueldr>
oftentimes it's out of control from the users :/
<LnL>
gchristensen disabled ipv6 :p
<andi->
no /o\
<gchristensen>
it was broken
<gchristensen>
github wasn't serving the proper certs
<andi->
github doesn't do IPv6 :(
<samueldr>
the infra provider for the last mile here makes it (apparently) impossible for the sub-letting ISPs to handle IPv6
<andi->
It was probably your ISP doing some broken NAT64
<LnL>
not sure, but I don't think my isp has real ipv6
<andi->
DO not have the resources (aka. numbers) or the implementation?