gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<tilpner> andi- - Still here? I do
<andi-> tilpner: solved, was a broken font...
<andi-> I had the google no to fonts in my configuration.. If you use the Unicode trex st crashes..
<andi-> Google Noto (phone thought it was a typo...)
<tilpner> And Noto was broken?
<andi-> That one character causes st to break
<andi-> Since that happened during reading emails and cost me a bit of time I didn't debug further yet
<tilpner> Pasting it into weechat results in a box, but no crash, here
* tilpner might retry with noto
<andi-> Yes U1f996
<andi-> That's what it looks for me as well after removing that font from the config.
<tilpner> Oh, yes, it crashes
<andi-> I tried to understand what's going wrong by running st with ltrace but my font/glyph knowledge isn't even close to useful.
<tilpner> Confirmed that it still crashes with st master and no patches/config
<andi-> Yep, I tired 0.7, 0.8.1 with and without patches
<andi-> At least I migrated to 0.8.1 with config and patches now..
<tilpner> X Error of failed request: BadLength (poly request too large or internal Xlib length error)
<tilpner> Major opcode of failed request: 139 (RENDER)
<tilpner> Minor opcode of failed request: 20 (RenderAddGlyphs)
<tilpner> That seems relevant
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<iceychris> Hi, how can I create a directory, say /kittens, programmatically in my configuration.nix?
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<RetardedOnion> do any of you have strong opinions against guix?
<gchristensen> guix is cool
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<RetardedOnion> as far as i can see the language is a bit easier but software is scarce
<gchristensen> well its scheme
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<maurer> The other reason the software is scarce is that guix tries to adhere more to GNU ideals
<maurer> so you're only going to get things that match their definition of what freedom is
<RetardedOnion> xfce is 6 years old, no official whiskermenu, kde isnt there, anything else isnt there.
<maurer> (which is even more restrictive than what nix will give you without the allowUnfree doohickey set)
<maurer> Well, for things that match GNU policy, you can be the change you want to see in the world
<maurer> gchristensen: I see that the has become more adept, and is now detecting the spammers _before_ they spam :P
<gchristensen> :)
<gchristensen> not quite time travel, but before it gets _here_ yes :D
<RetardedOnion> i actually agree with them, its just not a perfect choice for anyone. i think i could live with that. if amd wasnt so shit and requires blobs for their graphicscards
<gchristensen> kde is really really hard to package
<gchristensen> so much software
<RetardedOnion> nonfree software is easy and just spread around gits. its hard to find but available
<RetardedOnion> gchristensen: i get that. still my favorite DE and the reason why i am not considering guix at the moment
<maurer> RetardedOnion: Sure, but nonfree will not end up in guixsd itself by policy
<gchristensen> sure
<maurer> It's not like guix somehow prohibits it as a language :P
<RetardedOnion> yep. that sucks because you cant find the software easily.
<maurer> The counterpoint to be made is that you can install software randomly and know you always have a set of rights w/rspt to it
<RetardedOnion> free software has its disadvantages. i know.
<srk> list-generations also show diff of package versions
<srk> s
<gchristensen> maurer: the is now in many large channels to use as spam listeners to preemptively ban here
<maurer> Ah. I had suspected you might have done a classifier on usernames, given the similarities
<maurer> but that works too
<RetardedOnion> srk: guix feels like a refined nix for me. though i am very new to both. the clear disadvantage is software available and the "free software only" model
<srk> yeah, depends on your needs I guess
<RetardedOnion> i need kde to survive.
<srk> shouldn't be too hard to pull nix/nixpkgs to the mix :D
<gchristensen> maurer: I'm not interested in investing that much in to `the` today :P
<RetardedOnion> it isnt. you can actually just install nix on top of guix to run kde/any nix application. nix to guix conversion is possible, other way around not always(at least that is what one weired guy on telegram told me). but i wont install nix on top of guixsd because that feels like incest.
<gchristensen> well, guix is the spawn of nix, so it isn't so far off
<srk> gchristensen: I'm a bit surprised there's no way to do network level filtering on freenode
<RetardedOnion> i know. it looks a bit more refined.
<srk> like at least be able to set filters with some expiration time and advertise these to clients too
<gchristensen> srk: freenode has pretty sophisticated systems afaik to handle spam, but also how do you handle a large botnet of infected routers without impacting real people
<srk> yeah, not easy I guess
<RetardedOnion> humans were a mistake
<srk> :))
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<RetardedOnion> any of you use pci passthrough with nix? are there any problems?
<LnL> jeeze, what is this weather... this is too much
<RetardedOnion> Chilly 38C in my room
<LnL> outside feels like an oven, it's supposed to rain an entire summer here
<infinisil> Seems that spam moves to the PMs :)
<infinisil> moved*
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<srk> frikin inferno here as well, had to run to the basement :D
<andi-> it's been stupidly hot here all day as well.. that is this? This isn't Germany anymore /o\
<RetardedOnion> 38c in my room. germany here
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<joepie91> 31.1 in my room with curtains closed
<joepie91> I SEE RAIN COMING
<jD91mZM2> Wow, so it's not only me sweating by doing as much exercise as sitting still on a chair
<jD91mZM2> I guess it's called global warming for a reason
<RetardedOnion> if we only had lowrisc...
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* samueldr loves two concurrently build two webkits https://stuff.samueldr.com/screenshots/2018/07/20180726150433.png
<samueldr> loves to*
<joepie91> samueldr: careful, they'll mate and produce a Chromium
<joepie91> and then where will you be
<samueldr> they're sandboxed, or at least, they should be
<samueldr> oh, it's the perfect time to work on improving `nix-top`
<samueldr> the builds won't go away while testing :)
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<joepie91> lol
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<samueldr> manveru: if you're intersted, updated it; the refresh should be cleaner since I'm only clearing what needs to be cleared
<samueldr> and everyone else, this is much closer to be "ready"
<samueldr> as for english differences (sation/zation), I lately found a resource about its use, according to "Public Works and Goverment Services Canada / Travaus publics et Services gouvernementaux Canada"
<samueldr> I knew about the differences, but finding something concrete about *elsewhere* than US/GB is interesting
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<gchristensen> thread 'main' panicked at 'called `Result::unwrap()` on an `Err` value: InvalidFps([0.03333333333333333, 0.06666666666666667])', src/libcore/result.rs:916:5
<gchristensen> lol.
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<andi-> you are now doing games? :D
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<samueldr> could be multimedia/video
<andi-> true
<joepie91> gchristensen: where's that
<clever> samueldr: what i do, is compare the uid's that own temp dirs in /tmp/nix-build* and the outputs in /nix/store/, that may save you from needing root
<samueldr> clever: will look into that once I do more builds
<samueldr> that would be great not having to peek into their env
<samueldr> it's safe to assume only one build per user at a time I guess
<clever> yeah
<clever> related, i have seen some users add themself to nixbld to try and "fix" problems
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<clever> nix-daemon then happily murdered every single process in the user when starting a build :P
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<clever> the user must be purged before a build can start within it!
<samueldr> oh, naughty :D
<LnL> does it also kill processes before?
<LnL> thought everything was fine until the build finishes...
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<tertle||eltret> hello
<tertle||eltret> anyone know how to hax the nixos?
<clever> tertle||eltret: for example?
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<gchristensen> andi-, samueldr, joepie91, trying to get a brightness measure from my camera
<samueldr> gchristensen: webcam? your laptop doesn't have a sensor?
* samueldr checks data about your xps
<gchristensen> don't think so?
<samueldr> I mean, my three laptops do
<samueldr> maybe I'm terribly lucky
<gchristensen> did you find anything? :)
<samueldr> google is becoming so terrible at finding things :(
<samueldr> not even a driver listing from the dell website for windows
<samueldr> (sometimes it gives the indications whether or not there are)