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<mudri[m]> I'm surprised that the tests didn't pick it up. IIRC, my xfce config in Nix is really basic.
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<infinisil> mudri[m]: nixpkgs is be1461fc0ab29c45c69e7b2c2097c887750e4fe0?
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<mudri[m]> Yes (except for some changes to qutebrowser, which I'll find info about...).
<infinisil> mudri[m]: Oh you know what, the problem is your config
<mudri[m]> Ah, did it become outdated or something?
<infinisil> mudri[m]: You seem to be using lib.overrideDerivation a lot, which is very limited and shouldn't be used in most cases
<infinisil> It also doesn't propagate overrideAttrs for example, which is why you're getting this error
<infinisil> mudri[m]: The solution is to use `xorgserver = super.xorg.xorgserver.overrideAttrs (old: { ...`
<mudri[m]> Aah, right. Thanks!
<mudri[m]> I'll give it a go.
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<mudri[m]> Yeah, seems good. :-)
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<pie_> one of my monitors isnt getting its resolution autodetected properly, anyone have suggestions?
<pie_> this happened before but a replug of the vga cable usually fixed it
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<worldofpeace_> I really wish I know how to maintain this https://github.com/bbenoist/vscode-nix
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<slabity[m]> Is it possible to dump the running system's NixOS configuration? I accidentally deleted my `hardware-configuration.nix` and I had some changes that I'd like to get back
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<elvishjerricco> slabity[m]: You can't recover the nix expression used to generate a nixos system, no
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<elvishjerricco> You can regenerate hardware-configuration.nix, but yea if you had changes those are gone
<slabity[m]> Darn
<elvishjerricco> Unless you remember what they had to do with; in which case you may be able to inspect the system to figure out what they were
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<slabity[m]> I'd like to figure out what my `boot.kernelModules` variable was set to. But I don't think I can figure that out if I can't regenerate it
<elvishjerricco> slabity[m]: Oh, that's probably in a config file somewhere in `/run/current-system`
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<elvishjerricco> Not sure where to find it though
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<arahael> I notice that python is still on 2.7 and 3.6 in nix (at least, on darwin). What's the best way for me to get the most up to date python?
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<elvishjerricco> What exactly is `strictDeps`?
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<infinisil> When you set an option `services.foobar.pluginDirectory = ./foo/bar`, would you expect it to be imported into the nix store or not?
<infinisil> I'm not quite sure what the better behaviour is in such a case
<infinisil> I think 99% of NixOS options would import it into the store (because the value gets used directly in a string, without `toString`ing it)
<infinisil> Which makes me think that this is the better behaviour, just because it's what one would expect from looking at other options
<fragamus> > lib.makeIncludePath [ hmetis ]
<{^_^}> attribute 'makeIncludePath' missing, at (string):152:1
<fragamus> is there a makeIncludePath or something like
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<samueldr> fragamus: not sure, but there's the implementation https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/lib/strings.nix#L87-L106
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<samueldr> of makeLibraryPath*
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<tnks> sometimes I get heads-down in how I'm doing something, I forget to survey what others have done. Now that cabal new-build is out and support for multi-package projects is become more the norm, is anyone else building environments that merge dependencies for multiple projects?
<tnks> I don't think there's such a function in nixpkgs still, and I've been using a hand-rolled one for some time.
<tnks> (I only do this for development with nix-shell).
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<dtz> hmm is there a idiomatic/good way to .. use libsForQt5.callPackage but for multiple things, basically what libsForQt5.callPackages would do if it existed? O:)
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<dtz> nvm :)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dtzWill opened pull request #42962 → snowman: 2017-11-19 -> 0.1.2 → https://git.io/fbqTW
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<infinisil> fragamus: Since you're back, I'm pretty sure there's some environment variable NIX_CC or something that contains all the arguments for the library inclusions, derived from buildInputs
<fragamus> ok
<fragamus> so i just need to put it in build inputs?
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<infinisil> Most likely
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<fragamus> thank you
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dtzWill opened pull request #42965 → boomerang: 2018-01-18 -> 2018-07-03 → https://git.io/fbl4d
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dtzWill merged pull request #42962 → snowman: 2017-11-19 -> 0.1.2 → https://git.io/fbqTW
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #42919 → gauche: 0.9.5 -> 0.9.6 → https://git.io/fQ1rA
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<bgamari> which derivation provides the pthreads manpages?
<samueldr> bgamari: it should be `man-pages` looking at the output of nix-locate
<bgamari> ahh, so it is
<bgamari> thanks!
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dtzWill merged pull request #42965 → boomerang: 2018-01-18 -> 2018-07-03 → https://git.io/fbl4d
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #42970 → openshot-qt: 2.4.1 -> 2.4.2 → https://git.io/fbxct
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<infinisil> ,locate man pthread
<{^_^}> Found in packages: manpages
<infinisil> bgamari: Just added this feature ^^ :D
<bgamari> infinisil, awesome, thanks!
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #42971 → pdd: 1.2 -> 1.3 → https://git.io/fbxc9
<worldofpeace> ,locate qdbus
<{^_^}> Found in packages: qt4, qt5.full, bash-completion, qt5.qttools.dev
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<worldofpeace> nix-index?
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<tnks> wait a second... what gives. I see an "or" keyword in nixpkgs expressions, but it doesn't seem available in `nix repl`.
<tnks> oh, I see it in the language spec...
<samueldr> tnks: got it then?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #42972 → lxqt.pcmanfm-qt: 0.12.0 -> 0.13.0 → https://git.io/fbxcj
<infinisil> worldofpeace: Yup
<tnks> samueldr: yeah, I try not to ask questions too preemptively, but sometimes I slip.
<samueldr> no worries :)
<tnks> samueldr: however, no matter how many times I look at it, I get frustrated at the implementation of makeOverridable.
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<adisbladis[m]> I remember a while back there was some talk of auto generating docs for nixpkgs lib. Can anyone point me to this or did I make it up?
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<samueldr> there was talk
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<samueldr> there was another one possibly
<samueldr> adisbladis[m]: ^
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<joepie91> ping gchristensen^
<joepie91> (who was working on documentation thingems)
<adisbladis[m]> I found what I was thinking of: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/34558 :)
<infinisil> #34558
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/34558 (by lukeadams, open): [WIP] Doxygen Docs for Nixpkgs Internals
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #42976 → libsForQt5.mlt: 6.8.0 -> 6.10.0 → https://git.io/fbxC4
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<ryantm> infinisil: I think OfBorg can't pick up your build command in a change request: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/42683#discussion_r199991936
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<vaibhavsagar> hi, I'm trying to use fetchTarball to pin nixpkgs and I can't seem to build my expression
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<ryantm> vaibhavsagar: Can you post your expression?
<vaibhavsagar> I've used this successfully with other things so I can't see why it isn't working in this case
<vaibhavsagar> okay, it works if I make the result an attribute set with only one attribute
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<vaibhavsagar> nvm, problem solved :)
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<fragamus> infinisil: I added the bliss package yesterday but it seems stuck in review can you unblock it
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43003 → igv: 2.4.10 -> 2.4.11 → https://git.io/fbx0h
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @roberth pushed to haskell-outputs-bin-etc-lib « haskell generic builder: make robust against missing lib directory »: https://git.io/fbxzl
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @edolstra merged pull request #43005 → harfbuzz-icu: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.1 → https://git.io/fbxub
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43006 → grib-api: 1.26.1 -> 1.27.0 → https://git.io/fbx2n
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43007 → feh: 2.26.4 -> 2.27 → https://git.io/fbx2l
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43008 → folly: 2018.06.18.00 -> 2018.06.25.00 → https://git.io/fbx2Q
<{^_^}> [cabal2nix] @peti pushed to master « Fix some typos. »: https://git.io/fbxae
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<winem_> good morning. I have 2 servers with nix 2.0.4 and copied a derivation file from one server to the other one (did it twice, first I got the file from the nix store, then I created it with nix instantiate on the nix file). but whenever I try to install something from that drv file on the target server, I get a syntax error "error: syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ')', at /home/agent/chdrv/qjh23rgcqsk4syw89panvlcraxmsayan-clickhouse-1.1.54385.drv:1:15"
<winem_> how can this happen? I would like to find a clean nix way and not modify the drv file itself
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda pushed to master « python.pkgs.asyncssh: 1.13.1 -> 1.13.2 »: https://git.io/fbxaa
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<srhb> winem_: It sounds like you're trying to evaluate a derivation as if it were a nix expression
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<clever> winem_: you want `nix-store -r /nix/store/foo.drv`
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43011 → flatpak: 0.99.1 -> 0.99.2 → https://git.io/fbxV8
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda pushed commit from @r-ryantm to master « feh: 2.26.4 -> 2.27 (#43007) »: https://git.io/fbxVV
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda merged pull request #42960 → rtv: 1.22.1 -> 1.23.0 → https://git.io/fFA2A
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dotlambda pushed commit from @r-ryantm to master « rtv: 1.22.1 -> 1.23.0 (#42960) »: https://git.io/fbxVH
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @7c6f434c pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbxwN
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra merged pull request #2268 → tests/search.sh: minor fix to unbreak tests after search ux merge → https://git.io/fdeNf
<{^_^}> [nix] @edolstra pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbxwA
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @taku0 opened pull request #43012 → thunderbird, thunderbird-bin: 52.8.0 -> 52.9.0 [Critical security fixes] → https://git.io/fbxrM
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<winem_> clever: thx, will try it!
<infinisil> ,pr fragamus
<{^_^}> fragamus: 0. Sorry. 1. If you complain about PR being in limbo, always provide a number («I have an unmerged PR (#23924)…»), bot will print PR title and it might bring you an impulse-merge. 2. Please look up who commits similar work and ping these people (or request-review), keeping up with all the PRs is not really possible.
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<infinisil> Also, to complain about a PR not being merged after a day is a bit too early.. there's good PR which didn't get a review for weeks
<infinisil> PR's*
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<clever> infinisil: on the other hand, ive had PR's merged within 15 minutes, then i notice a typo :P
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @domenkozar pushed commit from @angerman to release-18.03 « ghc: fix dylib load command limits in compiler version 8.x »: https://git.io/fbxPU
<bkchr[m]> Does someone know how to run pulseaudio without x11?
<clever> bkchr[m]: one min
<clever> bkchr[m]: this script delt with starting pulseaudio and teamspeak without any X11
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<bkchr[m]> clever: thanks
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<bkchr[m]> then I just need to integrate that into nixos somehow :D
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<`_> I'm getting the error error: Nix database directory ???/nix/var/nix/db??? is not writable: Permission denied when attempting to run nix-repl
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<`_> I've seen after a rudimentary search that a shell that doesn't acknowledge /etc/profile could be the issue, however I almost exclusively use bash, and am in bash when attempting to run nix-repl.
<gchristensen> try `nix repl` `_
<`_> ok that fixed it
<`_> lol
<clever> `_: `nix-repl` links to nix1, and cant auto-detect $NIX_REMOTE
<`_> Ok
<`_> Not entirely sure what that means but after a bit more exploration I'll likely figure it out lol
<`_> Thanks gchristensen and clever
<LnL> `_: if you want to use the 1.11 nix-repl use NIX_REMOTE=daemon nix-repl
<`_> Yeah I noticed that
<`_> So is nix-repl simply outdated/deprectated in favor of nix repl?
<clever> yeah
<infinisil> ,nix-repl
<{^_^}> To use nix-repl with Nix 2.0, either use the new `nix repl` or `NIX_REMOTE=daemon nix-repl`. Just using `nix-repl` gives an error because it is linked to Nix 1.x which requires NIX-REMOTE to be set correctly, while Nix 2.0 doesn't (and unfortunately it wasn't kept for backwards compatibility)
<clever> but i still like the ui of nix-repl often
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<clever> nix repl has messed up tab-completion, and appends a space every time you up-arrow
<clever> but nix repl also saves all history
<`_> I couldn't tell you the differences so I don't have a horse in that race
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<`_> But I'm an adamant opponent of trailing whitespace in any case, I will say that.
<infinisil> clever: I recently made a list of problems with nix repl: https://gist.github.com/a0edd52dc2dbace96d2acd2488531b10
<infinisil> Should all be fixable though
<clever> infinisil: yeah, thats all of the ones i know
<`_> Thanks all for the help, this is definitely fun to learn, to say the least.
<infinisil> `_: ;)
<infinisil> ,locate bin nix-build
<{^_^}> Found in packages: nix
<`_> Never thought I'd be so in favor of something so.... POSIX-less.
<LnL> yeah, completion is a bit annoying since the convention for attributes seems to have shifted a bit to dashes instead of camel case
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #42855 → Idris: Wrap with IDRIS_CC → https://git.io/f6Sn7
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/fbx1h
<keks_> hi, currently stepping through my first nix installtion. want to install on encrypted zfs. https://nixos.wiki/wiki/NixOS_on_ZFS#Encrypted_ZFS says that this is supported as of 18.03, but zpool create ... -O encryption fails with "invalid property". is that a bug in the docs?
<infinisil> keks_: You need zfsUnstable, encryption isn't in stable
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<keks_> infinisil: so it is a bug in the docs, thanks! how do I install zfsUnstable?
<infinisil> Well it mentions it?
<infinisil> "In the unstable channel at the moment it is necessary to set boot.zfs.enableUnstable = true; to get zfs version based on master branch as zfsStable does not yet have this feature. "
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<infinisil> It's in the very top of the section you linked
<__monty__> PEBKAC ; )
<keks_> infinisil: ahh, I misread that as "it will be in 18.03 stable", sorry
<keks_> thank you. my ssd died today so I'm panicking a bit :)
<infinisil> I see ;)
<gchristensen> maybe don't use ZFS encryption if you care about your data
<gchristensen> or do, but keep really really good backups
* infinisil has been using it for a while and hasn't had any data loss
<infinisil> It is unstable though
<keks_> infinisil: i.e.? kernel panics?
<gchristensen> might lose your data?
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<infinisil> While stable doesn't *guarantee* no data loss and panics, they can still occur, but the chances are much slimmer as it's been well tested (especially new features)
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<gchristensen> yeah, I mean, you should be fully aware of the risks using an _unstable_ version of a filesystem
<gchristensen> especially if you're in the position of "my ssd died today so I'm panicking a bit :)"
<gchristensen> not trying to scare you, it is just the reality of an unstable fs should probably mean you have an amazing backup strategy, or data you're not really fussed if you lose
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<tilpner> Being a little scared might be the right motivator
<adisbladis[m]> It had an on-disk format change a while back
<keks_> I have an external hdd with zfs where I send my snapshots to
<gchristensen> using an unstable FS, you may want to use a different FS for your target backup
<gchristensen> * this is generally good advice, but extra important here *
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<infinisil> I think ZFS supports backing up to an older version of itself
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<fragamus> infinisil what does it mean ... the build bot says attempted
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<infinisil> fragamus: Did you click the "Partial log (click to expand)"?
<fragamus> oh yeah
<fragamus> i see
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej opened pull request #43014 → wcc: init unstable at 2018-04-05 → https://git.io/fbxDs
<fragamus> thanks so am I all good now
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<infinisil> fragamus: Is unzip needed in nativeBuildInputs?
<infinisil> I wondered about that, am not sure
<fragamus> yes
<fragamus> i tried without it
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<keks_> I guess I'll just LUKS the pool then
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed to revert-41420-haskell-strict-deps « Revert "haskell generic-builder: Use strictDeps always" »: https://git.io/fbxyJ
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<infinisil> fragamus: Oh one more thing: Change the commit message to "bliss: init at 0.73", that's somewhat of a convention
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti opened pull request #43016 → Revert "haskell generic-builder: Use strictDeps always" → https://git.io/fbxyc
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @vcunat pushed to release-18.03 « knot-resolver: 2.3.0 -> 2.4.0 »: https://git.io/fbxyE
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej-nixos merged pull request #42889 → pps-tools: init at v1.0.2, enable for chrony, gpsd, ntp → https://git.io/fSGIr
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej-nixos pushed commit from @sorki to master « pps-tools: init at 1.0.2, enable for chrony, gpsd, ntp (#42889) »: https://git.io/fbxyP
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<gchristensen> anyone have U2F working with Firefox?
<roberth> gchristensen: from what I understand Firefox only has a partial or older implementation of U2F
<roberth> or did they improve it recently?
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<gchristensen> I don't know :$ it is the only thing making me a bit jealous of Chrome :P
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti merged pull request #43016 → Revert "haskell generic-builder: Use strictDeps always" → https://git.io/fbxyc
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @peti pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbxSL
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @roberth pushed to haskell-outputs-bin-etc-lib « haskellPackages.hspec-{meta,discover}: resolve store reference cycles »: https://git.io/fbxSq
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<roberth> gchristensen: same here
<roberth> browsers need less chrome and more rust ;)
<gchristensen> +1 +1
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<fragamus> ok infinisil I complied and that borg thing is running
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej-nixos merged pull request #42353 → pythonPackages.python-prctl: init at 1.7 → https://git.io/flbCn
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej-nixos pushed commit from @catern to master « pythonPackages.python-prctl: init at 1.7 (#42353) »: https://git.io/fbx9c
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbx9r
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #42897 → add bliss package → https://git.io/fSGqe
<infinisil> fractal: thanks for the PR :)
<infinisil> Oh, fragamus is gone
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<bgamari> ,locate man pthread_cond_wait
<{^_^}> Couldn't find any packages
<bgamari> hmm
<gchristensen> who
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<bkchr[m]> Anyone know how user pulseaudio can access the `/dev/snd` stuff?
<bkchr[m]> Is there some udev rule?
<adisbladis[m]> gchristensen: Firefox works with u2f for me
<adisbladis[m]> I'm using devedition-bin
<gchristensen> hmm!
<gchristensen> how do you get that exactly?
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<adisbladis[m]> hardware.u2f.enable = true;
<gchristensen> I mean the deved ff :)
<adisbladis[m]> Ahh firefox-devedition-bin is the attribute
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<infinisil> bgamari: I'm glad to know that it works, there actually isn't a man page :)
<bgamari> hmm, I wonder where this manpage comes from under debian
<gchristensen> adisbladis[m]: bingo! thanks!
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<bkchr[m]> Hmm, can I add udev rules with nix?
<bgamari> bkchr[m], nixos?
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<thefloweringash[> Yep, services.udev.extraRules
<bkchr[m]> bgamari: yeah
<bkchr[m]> I'm currently trying to find out, what is changing `/dev/snd` stuff
<bkchr[m]> I think that it is udev
<bgamari> bkchr[m], see thefloweringash['s response
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<adisbladis[m]> gchristensen: Cool :)
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<adisbladis[m]> bkchr: Changing permissions? If so that's polkit
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<gchristensen> adisbladis[m]: how do I update firefox? :)
<gchristensen> oh I see
<bkchr[m]> adisbladis: I try to get audio working on raspberry pi, the devices are there, but they have not the correct permissions
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @uri-canva opened pull request #43018 → bazel-deps: init at 2018-05-31 → https://git.io/fbxQj
<bkchr[m]> on my laptop they have the correct permissions
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<gchristensen> adisbladis[m]: wait, no I don't, is there a way to update all the dev-editionss etc?
<adisbladis[m]> gchristensen: You want to update the package? There is an update script
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @alexeymuranov opened pull request #43020 → [18.03] gnomeExtensions.system-monitor: init at v33 (cherry-picked from master) → https://git.io/fbx73
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<gchristensen> adisbladis[m]: ah man, it seems to have lost all my sessions when I switched
<adisbladis[m]> gchristensen: firefox --ProfileManager
<adisbladis[m]> You can choose your old one there
<gchristensen> nice!
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<roberth> adisbladis[m]: thank you for the dev ff pointer
<roberth> u2f works perfectly for me now; ditching chrome again. The future is now ;)
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<worldofpeace> bkchr[m]: I just noticed that when I switch an activity in KDE that it just brings all the current running applications from the other activity with it.
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<adisbladis[m]> roberth: Cool :) This future is pretty awesome
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<sir_guy_carleton> so i've been using nix-shell recently, i've noticed my repeated downloading the same packages over and over
<pushcx> I'm trying to run nix-shell to debug my first package. How do I get it to run the src/fetchUrl step? Is there a doc somewhere for nix-shell? The man page doesn't have it.
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<sir_guy_carleton> is it because i'm auto-garbage collecting and those packages aren't linked to any profile?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #42824 → libfive: init at 2018-07-01 → https://git.io/fzX6r
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<sir_guy_carleton> if so, how do i stop it from being auto-garbage collected? add it to environment.systemPackages?
<adisbladis> sir_guy_carleton: Yeah. You'd want to add a gcroot
<adisbladis> Either through adding to systemPackages or your user-env
<adisbladis> Or!
<adisbladis> nix-shell --add-root
<adisbladis> pushcx: What makes you think downloading is not happening?
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<pushcx> adisbladis: The source is not in the directory so I can't step through the build.
<adisbladis> pushcx: Ok now I think I get what you want :)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #42683 → libvmi: init at 0.12 → https://git.io/f4dQe
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<adisbladis> pushcx: All phases are bash functions
<adisbladis> You can just manually invoke any phase
<pushcx> Where are they documented?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil closed pull request #26162 → libvmi: init at 3e4114 → https://git.io/vHnSO
<pushcx> I'm not contributing to nixpkgs, I'm trying to build a private package.
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<sir_guy_carleton> adisbladis: by nix-shell --add-root, do you mean nix-store --add-root?
<adisbladis> pushcx: You are presumably using nixpkgs for your private package too, no?
<pushcx> ...this list is wrong. patchPhase and configurePhase (maybe more?) don't exist
<adisbladis> sir_guy_carleton: nix-shell can also add roots
<sir_guy_carleton> adisbladis: hmm, that seemed to work, althought it doesn't appear in the manpage.
<worldofpeace> adisbladis: To use `nix-shell` you have to have `bash-interactive-dev`?
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<adisbladis> worldofpeace: Huh?
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<sir_guy_carleton> i think he wants to know if he has use bash in the nix-shell instead of another shell (e.g. zsh)
<worldofpeace> adisbladis: 'huh' exactly. That path is always fetched when I use `nix-shell`.
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<Lisanna> erhm, what's the recommended method for multiple people managing a nixops deployment?
<worldofpeace> The default shell for my user is zsh and bash is always there. I don't know why it needs `bash-interactive-dev` every time.
<manveru> Lisanna: there's the method described at https://blog.wearewizards.io/how-to-use-nixops-in-a-team
<manveru> basically put your nixops db into git-crypt
<Lisanna> manveru thank you!
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<manveru> i used another method where i setup a tiny machine that only pulled our nixops config and did `nixops deploy` on changes
<adisbladis> Lisanna: I create wrappers around nixops that does import/export before/after a deploy
<manveru> so nobody usually had direct access to nixops... which isn't ideal, but prevents abuse :)
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<manveru> and for my latest project i built my own nixops replacement, because i don't need all that complexity
<infinisil> adisbladis: Oh neat, so you have the state only permanently stored in a json file?
<adisbladis> infinisil: Yep
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<manveru> with the new `nixos-rebuild --build-host x --target-host y` you can actually do pretty much everything you need from nixops :)
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<infinisil> manveru: Yeah, I think I'll have to abandon nixops eventually for that, there's some stuff that's just not very convenient
<adisbladis> Yeah. And sadly nixops is still painful from darwin
<infinisil> manveru: Hasn't that functionality been there for a while though?
<manveru> uh, i guess, i just discovered it a few weeks ago
<manveru> and yeah, that method probably won't work in darwin without a vm/docker/xyhve
<samueldr> hah, not new, but works real good
<infinisil> I want some neat nixops replacement script that uses nixos-rebuild --{build,target}-host
<samueldr> I use it locally to update my machines on my beefier one, so I get cached artifacts for most things, even overriden packages
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<infinisil> samueldr: using an ssh substituter should work too though
<infinisil> And then even for all nix commands
<samueldr> sure, except each machine often have different kernel configs which will need a build
<manveru> that's my implementation (in crystal)
* samueldr doesn't want to build a kernel on the intel atom tablet
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<Lisanna> adisbladis the import/export actually sounds like a neat idea.
<Lisanna> adisbladis do you have to do anything else other than the import/export? like delete the current deployments before importing?
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<manveru> just nuke the nixops db before importing i guess?
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<samueldr> I'm also curious, haven't looked since my early beginnings with nixos, how are substituters doing with machines that travel, when substituting from locally-networked machines?
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<manveru> my only issue is that it still uploads my nixpkgs checkout to the remote, which takes forever...
<infinisil> samueldr: That's one of the main reasons for me trying to create this: https://github.com/infinisil/toponix
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<samueldr> I also would then prefer building locally since my upload speed is abysmal, VPN isn't the right choice in my particular case :/
<Lisanna> manveru you mean using a remote machine as the build host?
<infinisil> It could automatically generate scripts that get you an as-fast-as-possible connection between 2 hosts. Then you could use that script via ssh (ProxyCommand)
<worldofpeace> So nix-shell needs the bash-interactive-dev(another output path from bashInteractive) why isn't there already?
<manveru> Lisanna: yeah, because it's faster than downloading on my DSL machine and uploading again
<Lisanna> manveru I wonder if the --build-host flag is using the same mechanism that the --store flag of nix-build uses if you pass it an SSH store
<Lisanna> because I also notice that it seems to need to upload EVERYTHING to the remote every time I use an SSH store with --store on nix-build
<manveru> most likely
<Lisanna> manveru a nixpkgs checkout itself shouldn't be *that* big though... is it also uploading the .git directory or something if your NIX_PATH points to a git checkout?
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<infinisil> A nixpkgs checkout is currently over 800MB...
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<manveru> well nixpkgs is about 14MB compressed, which takes about 2 minutes on my connection
<infinisil> Ah
<manveru> not the git repo, just the channel
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<manveru> i'm sure the channel is also on hydra, but for some reason it's not loaded from there
<Lisanna> damn, nixpkgs uncompressed is 90MB
<Lisanna> without .git
<Lisanna> nevermind then...
<infinisil> The full 800MB is pretty big though, I think I remember it being about 500MB last year or so
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<manveru> isn't there a repo size limit on github?
<manveru> like 1gb or something
<Lisanna> --store really needs to dump thsoe files into the remote store's /nix/store and hash it so that if it doesn't change then it doesn't have to reopload it again
<Lisanna> using remote stores from my laptop with my home network's upload speeds sucks
<Lisanna> *creates new github issue*
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<infinisil> How can I find out the size of the closure of the dependencies of a derivation?
<infinisil> The question is "I'm doing a --check, how much free space do I need?"
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<manveru> hmm
<manveru> `nix path-info -rS` maybe?
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<manveru> `nix path-info --json -rS /nix/store/zzkvjwrg8bl4dalh5xj81mhy1jkn1ff9-nano-2.9.8 | jq 'map(.closureSize) | add'` like that
<infinisil> manveru: That just gets the resulting output dependencies, not the build time ones
<manveru> ah, right
<infinisil> I guess nix-store -q --references of a .drv to get the immediate dependencies
<infinisil> Then nix path-info -S on each of those
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<infinisil> Wait but that could count dependencies twice
<samueldr> better safe than sorry?
<samueldr> you'd have a ballpark estimate
<manveru> double that amount, just to be safe :)
<infinisil> Oh, how about `nix-store -qR` on each of those immediate dependencies, then uniq that list
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<bkchr[m]> Someone here who knows what is responsible for calling setfacl on `/dev/snd`?
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<worldofpeace> How can I check the 'liveness' of a nix store path?
<clever> worldofpeace: nix-store --query --roots
<infinisil> manveru: This is what I got, not sure if correct though: du -b $(nix-store -q --references $(nix-instantiate -A arandr) | xargs nix-store -qR) | cut -f1 | paste -sd+ | bc
<worldofpeace> clever: thx :)
<infinisil> Gives 463KB for hello
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<infinisil> But 4GB for xrandr :/
<manveru> doesn't hello need gcc?
<infinisil> Yeah that's certainly not correct
<clever> infinisil: one sec
<bkchr[m]> samueldr: hmm no
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<clever> infinisil: [root@amd-nixos:~]# du --max=0 -hc $(nix-store -qR /run/current-system) | sort -h | tail
<clever> 449M /nix/store/d7qiksl0hzk4kl43j57f0cxscb7zdls8-chromium-67.0.3396.87
<clever> 1.1G /nix/store/360zh9xvnqzvzvl567b43960fhgq90dw-go-1.10.3
<clever> 9.5G total
<bkchr[m]> "Should users be in the "audio" group?"
<bkchr[m]> I just want to understand why on my Laptop my soundcard is accessible by my user and on my raspberry pi not
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<infinisil> clever: My question is "How big are the dependencies to build a derivation"
<bkchr[m]> I think that something for the gui stuff is setting up all this
<infinisil> clever: Aka, how much stuff do I need for --check
<clever> infinisil: thats a lot more complex, because things on the binary cache can be downloaded without having to build
<infinisil> Yeah, we can assume everything is in the binary cache
<infinisil> As if I made a small adjustment to the derivation and had to rebuild it
<samueldr> bkchr[m]: consolekit may work for tty too though I'd assume you're using either serial or ssh for your raspi
<tnks> I refactored a Nix expression to use a lot from stuff from Nixpkgs, but now I have a feeling it's running a bit slower than before.
<tnks> Is there a convenient way to profile Nix expressions?
<clever> tnks: export NIX_COUNT_CALLS=1
<bkchr[m]> samueldr: I'm using ssh
<clever> tnks: export NIX_SHOW_STATS=1
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<tnks> clever: nice.
<clever> tnks: one counts every function call, the other shows total memory usage
<clever> tnks: and there is a nix-build bug that ignores stats, use nix-instantiate to get around it
<bkchr[m]> samueldr: Maybe I should just add my user to the audio group
<samueldr> that's what I was going to suggest
<tnks> clever: is the bug there for nix-shell?
<samueldr> it's an automatic behaviour from consolekit for more than audio
<samueldr> (AFAIK)
<clever> tnks: nix-shell is just a renamed copy of nix-build
<clever> tnks: but you can just `nix-instantiate shell.nix` to test the shell file
<tnks> clever: okay, good to know.
<samueldr> well, not consolekit, systemd-logind
<bkchr[m]> samueldr: what is an automatic behavior?
<samueldr> to give access to "local devices" to "local users"
<samueldr> "
<qyliss^work> `git gc --aggressive --prune-now` reduced by nixpkgs checkout from 1.2 GB to 318 MB
<bkchr[m]> yeah
<bkchr[m]> I thought that would also be available per ssh
<samueldr> they make the distinction of a console being a physical "feature"
<samueldr> e.g. keyboard/mouse on VT/X
<samueldr> [citation needed]
<infinisil> ,profiling = Use NIX_COUNT_CALLS=1 and/or NIX_SHOW_STATS=1 to profile Nix evaluation
<{^_^}> profiling defined
<infinisil> clever: :D
<bkchr[m]> ahh okay
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<tenten8401> Just thought I'd ask even though I probably know the answer, but is NixOS getting 5.13 in it's lifecycle, or will that be held off for NixOS 18.09?
<bkchr[m]> Yeah, then I stick to adding my user to the group
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<samueldr> IIRC it's what they call a "seat"
<tenten8401> Plasma 5.13, my bad
<samueldr> definitely
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<tenten8401> NixOS 18.03 is getting Plasma 5.13?
<leotaku> I am trying to build a rust package using "buildRustCrate", however cargo complains about not finding the correct version. Running cargo manually however correctly builds the package. What could be the cause of this?
<samueldr> tenten8401: version ugprades generally don't reach stable channels
<tenten8401> alright, figured that might be the case
<samueldr> only for software where security is important, e.g. browsers
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<tenten8401> fair enough
<tenten8401> I assume it'll be getting the 5.12 LTS bugfix releases hopefully
<samueldr> maybe not after the release of 18.09, as updates and development winds down on last-stable, but I'd hope so currently
<bkchr[m]> tenten8401: hmm, good point. I should make a pull request adding the bugfix release
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<samueldr> I was just checking who was maintaining and then if it looks like 18.03 got updates :)
<rcshm> hi iam using stack and nix integration for my project setup.
<bkchr[m]> I'm already downloading 5.12.6
<bkchr[m]> :D
<rcshm> how do i bring down github code into nix store and reference it in stack-nix? appreciate your help.
<tenten8401> I've been trying to download 5.13 on unstable for a while but every time I do something fails to build
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<worldofpeace> bkchr[m]: Should wayland be working in plasma 5.13? (in nixos)
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<tenten8401> bkchr[m]: While you're at it, would you mind PRing the Plasma 5.13.2 bugfix release for June into unstable as well? I'm pretty sure it only has 5.13.0 at the moment. https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.13.2.php
<tenten8401> I can if it's something simple like a version number change
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<leotaku> Does anyone here have any idea about what is causing my problem?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Fuuzetsu merged pull request #42946 → snd: 18.4 -> 18.5 → https://git.io/fdCWa
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43023 → fricas: 1.3.3 -> 1.3.4 → https://git.io/fbpLl
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<bkchr[m]> tenten8401: already open for 5 days: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/42768
<bkchr[m]> worldofpeace: I tried it, but I did not work. I still had no time to investigate it. I also want to switch to Wayland, finally.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej-nixos merged pull request #43008 → folly: 2018.06.18.00 -> 2018.06.25.00 → https://git.io/fbx2Q
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<worldofpeace> bkchr[m]: I was investigating it recently and most of the things suggested in like the issues on github aren't true anymore. This is relevant I think. https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2018/03/unsetting-qt_qpa_platform-environment-variable-by-default/
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<worldofpeace> If you have any suggestions for things to investigate because this bugs me. It's like like not a feature preview anymore :P
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<bkchr[m]> Yeah I know
<bkchr[m]> Did you started the session with sddm?
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<manveru> doesn't `systemctl --user import-environment QT_PLUGIN_PATH` work for this?
<manveru> or is that another issue?
<manveru> can't say i've tried wayland...
<manveru> damn i3 ignoring the urxvt size hints really annoys me now :|
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @adisbladis merged pull request #42986 → libuv: 1.20.3 -> 1.21.0 → https://git.io/fbx4D
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @adisbladis pushed 2 commits to staging: https://git.io/fbpt1
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<worldofpeace> bkchr[m]: I couldn't get a session to start at all.
<bkchr[m]> worldofpeace: yeah okay, I stuck at the same problem^^
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<worldofpeace> bkchr[m]: It just spits some nonsense errors. I wonder how it works in other distros normally.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dtzWill merged pull request #43014 → wcc: init unstable at 2018-04-05 → https://git.io/fbxDs
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @dtzWill pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbpqO
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<bkchr[m]> worldofpeace: yeah that is a good question and that is what we need to find out
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<infinisil> It would be awesome to have a page about Wayland on NixOS in the wiki
<gchristensen> +1
<bkchr[m]> yeah
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<theo> hi team
<theo> I was here the other day asking about packaging a window manager I'm writing
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<theo> I was told to use overlays to package it for my system but I've researched it and can't understand how to apply it to my system
<theo> The end goal is to have a local package recognised by configuration.nix and a windowManager.<my_wm>.enable = true; setting within it
<theo> any ideas?
<infinisil> theo: You need a module (to declare the new options and have some behaviour depending on those), and a Nix package (the actual window manager). The former will use the latter
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<infinisil> Overlays aren't really needed
<theo> infinisil: I've written a module and a nix package (copying the style from 2bwm) but the problem I'm having is fitting them in with my system and getting a work configuration.nix out of them
<infinisil> theo: How does your module look?
<infinisil> A gist would be appreciated
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<theo> it's dead simple, literally just the 2bwm one but replacing 2bwm with the name of my wm
<theo> I've used the same build system as well in the package
<theo> *same build system as 2bwm
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<infinisil> I see, then you should be able to just include that module by adding `imports = [ /path/to/module.nix ];` to your configuration.nix
<theo> the issue is that it doesn't know what ${pkgs.mywindowmanager} is
<theo> and I don't know how to make my package visible to it
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<infinisil> Ah yeah, the best way to get this is to add `mywindowmanager = pkgs.callPackages ...;` to the `let in` at the start and use `"${mywindowmanager}/bin/mywindowmanager`
<infinisil> Or however you call your package definition
<theo> right I'll give that a try, thanks
<theo> one thing though
<theo> how would I let my /etc/nixos/configuration.nix see mywindowmanager as a package?
<theo> the same thing?
<infinisil> Define "see as a package"
<theo> i.e. I can put environment.systemPackages = [ mywindowmanager ]; in configuration.nix
<worldofpeace> According to the wiki entry in kde, all you have to do is this for to start wayland session in tty (this changed since 5.13) -> https://hastebin.com/raw/igovoremac
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<infinisil> theo: you mean to have it available as `pkgs.mywindowmanager`? That would be done using overlays: `nixpkgs.overlays = [(self: super: { mywindowmanager = super.callPackage ./... {}; })];`
<theo> and then in theory I'll be able to use windowManager.mywindowmanager.enable = true; and it'll boot up to my window manager
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<infinisil> You still need to import the module (unless you make a PR for nixpkgs to include it by default). Adding a package can't change options. It should be the other way around: enabling the option adds the package
<infinisil> As is done in the 2bwm module in line 33
<theo> oh interesting, I didn't realise it was that way round
<theo> so if I add the pkgs.callPackages... line to my custom module, the option should be available?
<theo> i.e. I won't need to manually package it with an overlay?
<infinisil> Yeah, well an overlay isn't hard, see the message with the overlay i sent.
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<infinisil> Using the mywindowmanager = callPackage in the `let in` doesn't need an overlay, if you don't intend to use the package outside of the module
<infinisil> let in is a local package definition, while overlays can be used to get a "global" package (available in all nixos modules)
<theo> ugh I'm getting in a muddle again, sorry
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<theo> how can my module use pkgs.callPackages without having my window manager already available as a package?
<infinisil> Just put mywindowmanager = pkgs.callPackage ./path/to/wm {}; in the `let in` and replace `pkgs._2bwm` with `mywindowmanager`
<theo> right that's what I needed, I'll try that
<theo> is the path to the window manager the .nix expression or the actual binary?
<infinisil> Packages aren't things you need to register, you can just assign them to a variable and use them like that
<infinisil> theo: The nix expression
<infinisil> Use ${mywindowmanager}/bin/wm to get the binary path
<theo> and that'd be the default.nix
<theo> alright sweet thanks for the help, I'll give it a shot
<infinisil> Yup probably, whatever you need to build your package
<infinisil> (Will be gone for a bit)
<theo> alright no problem, thanks again :)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @LnL7 merged pull request #42933 → boost: disable system Python.framework detection → https://git.io/f5CiF
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @LnL7 pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbp36
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<keks> hey, me again. I'm trying to build a nodejs electron app, and it needs the X11/X.h header file. I have an FHS env, and /usr/include/X11 exists and contains a bunch of files - but not X.h. Similar to https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/302694/nixos-x11-header-files-not-found - except that for me ~/.nix-profile/ does not contain any `include`. can anyone help me out here?
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<keks> (only installed nix today, so my terminology might not be spot on - sorry about that!)
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<tilpner> ,lib
<tilpner> ,library
<{^_^}> Don't install libraries through nix-env or systemPackages. See https://nixos.wiki/wiki/FAQ/Libraries for details.
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<keks> tilpner: did I mention I only started using nix today? where do I have to put that?
<keks> {^_^}: thanks, I'll take a look at that!
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<keks> {^_^}: actually that is what I did! I made a gist of my shell.nix here: https://gist.github.com/keks/d631170e100d492c388b96b55ead5d49
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<keks> Well, it's a bit differrnt
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<pikajude> what version of hydra is hydra.nixos.org running?
<pikajude> i notice that in the log "tail" view, the log on nixos hydra looks normal but every line of my hydra's log view is prefixed with <3>
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<pikajude> i also thought at some point that the tail view would live-update the logs, but i don't think it does that anymore?
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<LnL> don't think we can see that: Hydra 0.1.1234.abcdef
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43024 → coursera-dl: 0.10.0 -> 0.11.4 → https://git.io/fbpGU
<LnL> I'm using 2017-11-21 and my logs look normal
<clever> pikajude: tail-reload was removed months ago
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<infinisil> ,locate X.h
<{^_^}> Found in packages: z88dk, emscripten, xlibs.xproto
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43026 → clingo: 5.2.2 -> 5.3.0 → https://git.io/fbpGB
<infinisil> ,locate X11/X.h
<{^_^}> Found in packages: z88dk, emscripten, xlibs.xproto
<infinisil> keks: ^^
<infinisil> xlibs.proto sounds promising :)
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<tenten8401> Has anyone had any luck running oVirt inside NixOS? Some guy here the other day said he had it running but I have no clue who it was
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<tenten8401> ah thanks
<tenten8401> guess I forgot long-term IRC logs existed
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43028 → mate.eom: 1.20.1 -> 1.21.0 → https://git.io/fbpGp
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @fread2281 opened pull request #43029 → mpv: fix x11 support after #41902 → https://git.io/fbpZL
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<pikajude> clever: why?
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<pikajude> i loved it
<LnL> performance or something with the s3 log uploads
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil merged pull request #42118 → mpd: add NixOS tests → https://git.io/vhML2
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Infinisil pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbpZa
<clever> i also miss it
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43030 → debootstrap: 1.0.103 -> 1.0.105 → https://git.io/fbpZr
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43031 → elfutils: 0.172 -> 0.173 → https://git.io/fbpZy
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<pikajude> sigh
<gchristensen> Profpatsch: you affected at all by the happenings?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43032 → conan: 1.4.5 -> 1.5.1 → https://git.io/fbpZ7
<gchristensen> pikajude: have you seen https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/42761?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @bkchr opened pull request #43033 → Plasma5 & KdeApplications bugfix releases → https://git.io/fbpZh
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43034 → createrepo_c: 0.10.0 -> 0.11.0 → https://git.io/fbpnf
<lfish> Hello. I'm trying to modify a derivation in nixpkgs to use as a shell.nix. It lists texLive among nativeBuildInputs, and texLive isn't a derivation from nixpkgs. Where should I fetch it from?
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @volth opened pull request #43035 → fonts/babestone-han: 11.0.2 -> 11.0.3 → https://git.io/fbpnG
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43036 → elisa: 0.1.80 -> 0.2.0 → https://git.io/fbpnZ
<worldofpeace> My new rule for reading an important nix discussion is to only read things marked as off topic :P
<pikajude> ooh
<pikajude> thanks gchristensen
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<pikajude> i DID get pinged on that
<pikajude> wonder how i missed it
<gchristensen> pikajude: no worries :)
<gchristensen> nixpkgs makes a lot of email :)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43037 → edbrowse: 3.7.3 -> 3.7.4 → https://git.io/fbpn8
<pikajude> yeah, i have NO idea how to sort github notifications
<pikajude> there doesn't seem to be a sensible way
<gchristensen> periodically I just send it all to the bitbucket
<pikajude> lol
<pikajude> ok cool, i have 2fa now
<qyliss> The custom headers they put on the emails are pretty useful
<pikajude> i turned it off because of the amount of difficulty i had keeping track of the 2fa app i needed
<pikajude> between different phones
<pikajude> but i'll find a way
<gchristensen> I like Authy
<gchristensen> works almost everywhere and you don't have to get new tokens for every new phone
<pikajude> i don't know how to transfer the authy info from one phone to another
<pikajude> but i haven't used authy in months
<pikajude> so maybe it's really straightforward and i forgot
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<pikajude> i have to have duo installed for work so i'm just using that
<gchristensen> you just log in
<pikajude> makes sense
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @romildo opened pull request #43038 → theme-jade1: 3.2 -> 3.3 → https://git.io/fbpng
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43039 → acpica-tools: 20180531 -> 20180629 → https://git.io/fbpnF
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer opened pull request #43040 → More Darwin closure reductions → https://git.io/fbpnA
<samueldr> gchristensen: don't you need another authy instance to accept the new instance?
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<samueldr> or maybe that's an alternative method
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<samueldr> looks like another authy device is maybe required for multi-device https://authy.com/blog/understanding-authys-multi-device-feature/
<gchristensen> yeah, I don't use multi-device
<gchristensen> so add a new device, it de-auths the old one
<gchristensen> (iirc)
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<samueldr> the last paragraph makes me think that it may incurr a longer time if sms/voice auth has been disabled for the account (24h recovery process)
<samueldr> still good though
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<keks> infinisil, {^_^}: thank you! what does that mean when you prefix something with "," (as you did in ",locate")?
<gchristensen> {^_^} is an IRC bot :)
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<keks> ... thank you :)
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<keks> ,locate X11/extensions/XKBstr.h
<{^_^}> Found in packages: emscripten, xlibs.kbproto
<gchristensen> WOW!
<keks> :D
<LnL> I think he added that recently
<LnL> or I just didn't know about it until yesterday :)
<gchristensen> infinisil += 1000
<infinisil> ^.^
<infinisil> Yeah I added that yesterday :)
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<LnL> would be really cool if we could get that on nixos.org somehow
<gchristensen> yea
<keks> is there I way I can do that without spamming the IRC? :)
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<keks> ,locate X11/extensions/XKBrules.h
<{^_^}> Found in packages: xlibs.libxkbfile.dev
<gchristensen> nix-locate
<LnL> In general nix-locate /bin/$query is more useful as the packages query IMHO
<LnL> so like making the packages page lookup both by name and binary
<infinisil> keks: You can private message the bot
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<infinisil> nix-locate will be faster though, once you have a db at least
<infinisil> ,locate bin gcc
<{^_^}> Found in packages: gcc, gcj, gccgo, gfortran, gcc_debug, ccacheWrapper, gcc-unwrapped, and 2 more
<infinisil> bin as a second argument is about the same as ,locate bin/gcc
<infinisil> ,locate man exit
<{^_^}> Found in packages: manpages
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<keks> building the index now. will I have to rebuild it manually on a regular bases?
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<LnL> mine is pretty outdated, doesn't really matter for most usecases in my experience
<keks> I see, thanks
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @volth opened pull request #43041 → xrdp: 0.9.5 -> 0.9.7 → https://git.io/fbpCg
<tnks> clever: I did some timing, and still thinking about what much I can do.
<tnks> I noticed, though, that nix-instantiate is not actually annoyingly slow.
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<tnks> but nix-shell is taking around 4.5 seconds to go into.
<tnks> nix-instantiate a couple of seconds less.
<clever> tnks: and if you run nix-shell on the .drv file instantiate gave?
<LnL> tnks: what platform?
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<thblt> On my laptop (XPS 9560), powerManagement.powertop.enable breaks bumblebee: optirun complains it can't activate the discrete graphics card. Is someone else experiencing this?
<thblt> (Running Nixos unstable)
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<thblt> The issue seems to be at boot, since setting all powertop "tunables" to Bad doesn't fix optirun
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @pSub pushed to master « fbida: 2.13 -> 2.14 »: https://git.io/fbpCH
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @grahamc opened pull request #43042 → Revert "pkgs/top-level/release.nix.nix: Use fetchGit if possible" → https://git.io/fbpWm
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<{^_^}> Channel nixos-18.03 advanced to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/56fad146a12 (from 10 hours ago, history: https://channels.nix.gsc.io/nixos-18.03)
<tnks> LnL: I'm on Linux
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<tnks> sorry, amd64 chipset.
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<LnL> kk, there's something weird with a specific dependency on darwin that also makes nix-shell slow
<LnL> but this must be something different
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Baughn opened pull request #43043 → dwarf-fortress: Fix themes & package Legends Browser → https://git.io/fbplJ
<tnks> clever: nix-instantiate takes 1.4s, nix-shell shell.nix takes 5.3s, nix-shell "$DRV" takes 4s.
<tnks> so I guess it adds up literally.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @grahamc merged pull request #43042 → Revert "pkgs/top-level/release.nix.nix: Use fetchGit if possible" → https://git.io/fbpWm
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @grahamc pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbplu
<tnks> also curious if this amount of time to get into a nix-shell is normal, or dubious. It's a medium-sized personal project with a few dependencies.
<gchristensen> usually takes me a couple seconds tops
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @oyren opened pull request #43044 → write_stylus: init at 209 → https://git.io/fbplD
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @oyren closed pull request #42574 → Write: init at 2.0.9 from Styluslabs → https://git.io/f4HIq
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<Profpatsch> gchristensen: It reached you? oO
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<Profpatsch> How did you hear?
<gchristensen> Profpatsch: I pay attention to things ... :)
<Profpatsch> gchristensen: If you mean the police raid, yeah.
<gchristensen> yea
<Profpatsch> haha, cool
<Profpatsch> These guys did very good word. We weren’t sure two days ago it would even be picked up by German media.
<Profpatsch> Fanstastic.
<Profpatsch> I was grinning the whole day.
<gchristensen> :)
<Profpatsch> gchristensen: Since I am on the board of OpenLab, I was interrogated by police for three and a half hours about a week ago.
<Profpatsch> But nothing got taken from me personally.
<Profpatsch> Wait, I guess it’s been two weeks by now.
<Profpatsch> Time runs.
<gchristensen> :o wow
<Profpatsch> s/runs/flies/ i guess
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<Profpatsch> WHOA, press coverage has gone through the roof
<joepie91> Profpatsch: did you get the impression that they were there because that's what they were told to do, or that they had a genuine suspicion that you might have something to do with the claimed purpose of the investigation?
<joepie91> and yep
<joepie91> came at me from all sides this morning
<Profpatsch> Offline for a few hours, drinking bear on the Seine, suddenly world recognition. :Ä
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<joepie91> yep, that's often how it goes :P
<gchristensen> :) nice time in Paris?
<Profpatsch> gchristensen: Awesome, yes.
<Lisanna> Alright, I've got a good multi-user nixops workflow worked out. You end up sharing the nixops statefile between users, and pass it in on the command-line with the -s flag. How you share the statefile is up to you, but it could be e.g. on an NFS. Before you deploy, if someone else has deployed using the statefile, use nixops modify to change the nixExprs to your copy/checkout of the nix files.
<gchristensen> nice, Profpatsch
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<joepie91> Profpatsch: I had a similarly bizarre experience after I got raided; I notified a bunch of people in what I thought was a fairly small and not-super-public IRC channel... a few hours later, the raid was reported in Dutch news
<Profpatsch> joepie91: Uh, I don’t even know. Police sending mixed signals of competence. :)
<joepie91> heh
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<joepie91> I hope things work out...
<kalbasit> I recently purchased the new XPS 15, i9, with discrete Nvidia GPU. This is my first Optimus hardware and so far it's been a headache. I'm still within the return period and I'm considering to return for this particular reason. Anyone here has a 6 cores laptop with 32+GB RAM that isn't having a touch time with it? I heard the XPS 15 2-in-1 has AMD instead of Nvidia but unsure of the support.
<joepie91> this kind of thing can be super stressful depending on circumstances
<Profpatsch> The demonstrations were completely peaceful btw. not a single soul got arrested.
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<clever> tnks: sounds like the problem is at the bash/stdenv layer, not the nix layer
<Profpatsch> Except for one person that got a “precautionary” arrest, which apparently is a thing now in Bavaria/Germany.
<gchristensen> O.o
<joepie91> ah yes, precrime
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<clever> joepie91: thats what happens when you let CERN help out with enforcing laws
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<tobiasBora> Hello, I'd like to compile Fluid Designer for Linux, which is based on an old blender version (blender 2.78) with some additionnal code modification, and the problem is that some new libraries are too recent for this build. How should I deal with the fact that I need an older version? Should I copy/paste the old files used to compile blender 2.78 and the associated libs?
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<tobiasBora> and then should I create a custom name for them?
<tobiasBora> (I suspect that openimageio is too recent)
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @leenaars opened pull request #43045 → termtekst: init -> 1.0 → https://git.io/fbp8p
<spacefrogg> tobiasBora: First, of course, you might want to notify upstream of Fluid Designer about this issue. Then you can create a package for an older version if that version is still actively maintained. Otherwise you could easily create an overlay and host the deviating libraries yourself.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer merged pull request #42554 → dwarf-fortress: 0.44.10 -> 0.44.11 → https://git.io/f49lE
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer pushed 5 commits to master: https://git.io/fbp4z
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @7c6f434c merged pull request #43026 → clingo: 5.2.2 -> 5.3.0 → https://git.io/fbpGB
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @7c6f434c pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbp49
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<fragamus> hi I have submitted two packages and they have become part of NixOS:master my question is when and where will they appear in a channel so I can install them not using my local copy of nixPkgs? What commands are needed? I thought I knew but it isn't working.
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<manveru> fragamus: you mean when it's in a channel?
<manveru> see http://howoldis.herokuapp.com/ for that, although unstable seems a bit blocked atm
<fragamus> Oh that's cool
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @volth opened pull request #43046 → pngquant: 2.11.7 -> 2.12.1 → https://git.io/fbpB3
<fragamus> which one(s) are associated with NixOS:master?
<manveru> fragamus: nixos-unstable and nixpkgs-unstable
<fragamus> hmmm so my thing should be in already but maybe I am using the wrong commands
<manveru> what's your package?
<fragamus> the two packages are hmetis and bliss can anyone see them
<manveru> doesn't look like they're in yet
<fragamus> okie
<manveru> hydra is blocked by unrelated failures, so until those are fixed the channels won't advance to the master
<manveru> once it advances, you should be able to do `nix build -f channel:nixpkgs-unstable hmetis`
<fragamus> well it is after all the fourth of july
<manveru> i don't think we have a ton of americans here :)
<manveru> does anyone know if the acme+nginx config supports the wildcard certs yet?
<fragamus> a lot or the haskellers are american and a lot use nixos
<fragamus> of*
<manveru> yeah, but i think the core team is about 80% european
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<fragamus> if my package depends on an unfree package, is my package also to be marked unfree?
<fragamus> eh i guess not
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer merged pull request #43043 → dwarf-fortress: Fix themes & package Legends Browser → https://git.io/fbplJ
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @matthewbauer pushed 3 commits to master: https://git.io/fbpR8
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Ma27 opened pull request #43047 → sqlitebrowser: fix build → https://git.io/fbp0T
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Nadrieril opened pull request #43048 → passff-host: init at 1.0.2 → https://git.io/fbp00
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<toonn> Which vim do I want? Don't care about GUI.
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<tobiasBora> spacefrogg: fluid designer has not been updated in the last 10 months, so I don't know if they plan to update it anymore. After I'm not sure I'll do a PR for it, but at least I would like a working derivation for me, and I'm not sure how to deal with multiple versions
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<rotaerk> hmm I don't understand this
<rotaerk> according to this, vulkan-validation-layers was committed to master: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commits?author=Ralith
<rotaerk> err wait a sec
<rotaerk> never mind; git failure on my part
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji merged pull request #43041 → xrdp: 0.9.5 -> 0.9.7 → https://git.io/fbpCg
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji pushed commit from @volth to master « xrdp: 0.9.5 -> 0.9.7 (#43041) »: https://git.io/fbpEU
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<alexteves> a bot opened a PR on nixpkgs with an auto-update to some package I added, it still builds but fails at runtime due to a missing import - do I open a new PR and reference this one? do I PR against the bot's fork?
<gchristensen> PR against nixpkgs you can reference that PR if you awnt
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji merged pull request #42691 → mate.mozo: 1.20.0 -> 1.20.1 → https://git.io/f4dAx
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji pushed commit from @r-ryantm to master « mate.mozo: 1.20.0 -> 1.20.1 (#42691) »: https://git.io/fbpEY
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji merged pull request #42684 → qpdf: 8.0.2 -> 8.1.0 → https://git.io/f4d7J
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji pushed commit from @r-ryantm to master « qpdf: 8.0.2 -> 8.1.0 (#42684) »: https://git.io/fbpE3
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji merged pull request #42695 → mate.mate-utils: 1.20.0 -> 1.20.1 → https://git.io/f4dps
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji pushed commit from @r-ryantm to master « mate.mate-utils: 1.20.0 -> 1.20.1 (#42695) »: https://git.io/fbpEZ
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji merged pull request #42713 → eccodes: 2.7.3 -> 2.8.0 → https://git.io/f4FtB
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji pushed commit from @r-ryantm to master « eccodes: 2.7.3 -> 2.8.0 (#42713) »: https://git.io/fbpEc
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji merged pull request #42698 → librealsense: 2.12.0 -> 2.13.0 → https://git.io/f4djE
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji pushed commit from @r-ryantm to master « librealsense: 2.12.0 -> 2.13.0 (#42698) »: https://git.io/fbpEB
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji merged pull request #42949 → stellarium: 0.18.0 -> 0.18.1 → https://git.io/fdzRB
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji pushed commit from @r-ryantm to master « stellarium: 0.18.0 -> 0.18.1 (#42949) »: https://git.io/fbpE0
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<{^_^}> #42000 (by r-ryantm, closed): libraw: 0.18.11 -> 0.18.12
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @alexfmpe opened pull request #43050 → coursera-dl: 0.10.0 -> 0.11.4 → https://git.io/fbpEz
<infinisil> Also: #4000 home-manager#100 nix-darwin#20 sbp/idris-bi#22
<{^_^}> https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/4000 (by romildo, closed): VirtualBox-GuestAdditions-4.3.12-3.16 fails compilation
<{^_^}> https://github.com/rycee/home-manager/pull/100 (by dustinlacewell, closed): Add experimental plugin support
<{^_^}> https://github.com/LnL7/nix-darwin/issues/20 (by dhess, open): Allow installation to a prefix other than /etc
<infinisil> (The last one should have worked too)
<infinisil> Oh, I limited it to 3 replies :)
<alexteves> gchristensen: thanks, did that
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<samueldr> infinisil: you do know, as software developer, it is now crucially important that you document all the features in a digestible format with the source code :)
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji merged pull request #42950 → pythonPackages.keyutils: fix build → https://git.io/fdaTM
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji pushed 2 commits to master: https://git.io/fbpEM
<infinisil> samueldr: Who needs docs when you have source code! \s
<samueldr> the users?
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @roberth pushed 2 commits to haskell-outputs-bin-etc-lib: https://git.io/fbpED
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji merged pull request #42929 → gradle-completion: init at 1.3.1 → https://git.io/f5vlB
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @xeji pushed commit from @Ma27 to master « gradle-completion: init at 1.3.1 (#42929) »: https://git.io/fbpE9
<infinisil> Those are the settings, and the source code for the pr linking plugin is here: https://github.com/Infinisil/nixbot/blob/master/src/Plugins/Pr.hs :)
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<infinisil> I'm mostly just glad that the code in Pr.hs doesn't look half bad
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @roberth pushed 0 commits to haskell-outputs-bin-etc-lib: https://git.io/fbpEx
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @aszlig pushed to master « mpv: Fix X11 support by adding libXrandr »: https://git.io/fbpuT
<RealUnix28200> Hello
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @keks opened pull request #43051 → patchwork-classic: fix typo in package name → https://git.io/fbpuZ
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej opened pull request #43052 → cmake: fix build with libuv 1.21 (on staging) → https://git.io/fbpun
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43053 → aws-sdk-cpp: 1.4.70 -> 1.4.78 → https://git.io/fbpu8
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej-nixos closed pull request #43029 → mpv: fix x11 support after #41902 → https://git.io/fbpZL
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43054 → chirp: 20180614 -> 20180623 → https://git.io/fbpuV
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej-nixos merged pull request #43052 → cmake: fix build with libuv 1.21 (on staging) → https://git.io/fbpun
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @orivej-nixos pushed commit from @orivej to staging « cmake: fix build with libuv 1.21 (#43052) »: https://git.io/fbpuD
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43055 → bibutils: 6.5 -> 6.6 → https://git.io/fbpu7
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<long-tail-ext4> Hello! I'm trying to get Python set up on my machine. I just want `python3` with support for package installations. I'm following this page on the Wiki: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Python
<long-tail-ext4> There's a code block that looks like exactly what I want. But I don't know where to put it so that my `configuration.nix` executes it.
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43056 → adapta-gtk-theme: 3.93.1.22 -> 3.93.1.28 → https://git.io/fbpzU
<long-tail-ext4> How do I do that?
<long-tail-ext4> Once I get it working I can put up a clarification PR to the Wiki. Just to help the next person.
<rotaerk> Ralith, you there?
<Ralith> rotaerk: \o
<rotaerk> hey, I noticed you checked in some changes to the vulkan derivations
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @Baughn opened pull request #43057 → dwarf-fortress: Run legends-browser with a suitable working directory → https://git.io/fbpz3
<Ralith> is there a problem with them?
<rotaerk> a while back, before you split them up into vulkan-loader, vulkan-headers, vulkan-validation-layers, I submitted a PR (which got merged into staging) to fix the placement of the validation layer files
<rotaerk> both in the old vulkan-loader (before my fix) and in your new vulkan-validation-layers, the files end up under the share directory
<rotaerk> but as my PR mentioned, vulkan itself appears to search for them in etc
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43058 → babl: 0.1.50 -> 0.1.52 → https://git.io/fbpzC
<rotaerk> as it is, I just upgraded to the latest nixpkgs, and my vulkan program isn't detecting the validation layers
<Ralith> the vulkan loader searches both etc and share; share is default installation location chosen by upstream
<{^_^}> #38316 (by Rotaerk, merged): Fix where Vulkan validation layer JSON files are placed by the nixpkgs install phase
<Ralith> I'm using the loaders just fine here
<rotaerk> hmm
<Ralith> the /etc support is mostly for compatibility with weird nvidia shenanigans
<Ralith> your patch would not work in the new scheme, because the layers are not *anywhere* in the ${vulkan-loader} prefix
<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @r-ryantm opened pull request #43059 → armadillo: 8.500.1 -> 8.600.0 → https://git.io/fbpz0
<infinisil> long-tail-ext4: The one in the first section?
<rotaerk> Ralith, yeah; I'm now just trying to get the layers to work
<Ralith> the loader searches the share subdir of each of $XDG_DATA_DIRS
<rotaerk> I'll tinker with it a bit more, for now
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<long-tail-ext4> infinisil: That's right. I know it's probably a dumb question. I'm new to Nix and haven't created a custom package before.
<Ralith> in nix-shell you'll need to add ${vulkan-validation-layers} to $XDG_DATA_DIRS yourself
<Ralith> perhaps nix-shell should do this automatically
<rotaerk> oh
<Ralith> in my shells, I have ``shellHook = ''export XDG_DATA_DIRS="$XDG_DATA_DIRS:${vulkan-validation-layers}"'';`
<long-tail-ext4> I figured that `in ...` should continue to something with `environment.systemPackages`.
<long-tail-ext4> But I don't know where it sits in a module.
<rotaerk> I see; thanks
<infinisil> long-tail-ext4: You can put it into configuration.nix like this: `{ pkgs, ...}: let mypython = pkgs.python3.withPackages (p: with p; [ pandas requests ]); in { ...; environment.systemPackages = [ mypython ]; ...; }`
<long-tail-ext4> infinisil: Thank you!!
<infinisil> I shortened some variable names and made it a bit tighter
<Baughn> long-tail-ext4: ^, but it's usually recommended you use nix-shell configurations instead of a single global python. That's the Nix equivalent of virtualenv.
<long-tail-ext4> Baughn: Ohhhh, interesting. Thank you! I will look into that.
<Baughn> long-tail-ext4: Given you can only have *one* python3 binary on your PATH otherwise.
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<long-tail-ext4> Ahhh, I see. I appreciate the warning. I'm glad that there's a Nixy replacement for virtualenv. I usually have trouble keeping python envs straight; I let them take over my system.
<Baughn> long-tail-ext4: It's possible to create custom "python3" wrappers with different names and configurations, but that's both a bit more advanced, and not as convenient to put on github. For instance...
<Baughn> Well, you can also use virtualenv. It usually works. :P
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<Baughn> (It may fail for packages that have C modules.)
<Baughn> long-tail-ext4: https://github.com/Electrical-Age/ElectricalAge/blob/develop/shell.nix <- I have this thing, which defines everything needed for a development environment for the mod.
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<Baughn> By checking it into github, it makes it trivial for other people to get that. In theory, anyway; I'm the only Nix-using dev on the project atm.
<long-tail-ext4> Sorry, this is an example of what, exactly?
<infinisil> I bet the manual somewhere has an example of a python shell.nix
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<Baughn> long-tail-ext4: nix-shell, executed without parameters, reads shell.nix (if it exists) or default nix (otherwise) and uses them to create setup a bash shell.
<long-tail-ext4> Ah!
<long-tail-ext4> I see, that's cool.
<Ralith> rotaerk: feel free to ping me directly if you have any other issues, might save time
<Baughn> long-tail-ext4: Specifically, a bash shell with everything needed to compile whatever you've defined in the .nix file. ...although in my case, that's "nothing".
<Baughn> I just list a bunch of libraries.
<Baughn> You *need* nix-shell for that, because putting a *library* in environment.systemPackages does precisely nothing. Only binaries get propagated that way.
<rotaerk> Ralith, k; thanks
<Baughn> (Ditto, you can't "install" a library with nix-env.)
<infinisil> long-tail-ext4: Check out the manual section 9.11.1.1.3 (Temporary Python environment with nix-shell): https://nixos.org/nixpkgs/manual/#using-python
<rotaerk> Ralith, I don't know if there is any way to do it with nix, but it just seems like making the layers available (i.e. adding them to that XDG_DATA_DIRS) should be part of the vulkan-validation-layers drv
<long-tail-ext4> infinisil: Thank you! I don't know why it didn't occur to me to check the primary manual.
<rotaerk> rather than requiring the consumer of it to do it as a follow-up step
<infinisil> Well there's actually 3 manuals, and they're pretty big, no blame there ;P
<long-tail-ext4> Haha, thanks.
<Ralith> rotaerk: I agree broadly, but I think this is a more general problem of nix-shell failing to do for $XDG_DATA_DIRS the same thing it does for $PATH
<rotaerk> ah
<rotaerk> makes sense
<Ralith> you could work around the problem with a build hook but it would probably be best to solve the general case; not sure where that would be done, though
* Ralith knows more about vulkan than the guts of nix
<Ralith> er, a setup hook
<rotaerk> it's okay; you know more about *both* than me :P
<long-tail-ext4> Hmmm. This tells me that `beancount` is an undefined variable: https://pastebin.com/raw/aW96PAcS
<long-tail-ext4> Despite the fact that it's listed here: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/top-level/python-packages.nix
<Ralith> long-tail-ext4: you're probably not using master
<long-tail-ext4> I tried `numpy` and it totally worked. So I suspect that `beancount` simply isn't available on 18.03 channel yet.
<long-tail-ext4> Ah, yeah. Jinx.
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<{^_^}> [nixpkgs] @disassembler opened pull request #43060 → Asterisk xmpp support → https://git.io/fbpzp
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