<MoreTea>
ToxicFrog, you should patch the binary, or use runInFHSChroot or something like that.
<MoreTea>
'night night
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<msd>
LnL: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/17896 <- seems to break only because a sub-package is listed as x86-64_linux only. Should we change selenium to an only Linux package?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] copumpkin pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v1bGe
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 377cef8 Dan Peebles: apple-sdk: 10.9 -> 10.11
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master f3b65f6 Dan Peebles: xhyve: update and fix to use our Hypervisor framework
<LnL>
msd: I expect so, and that will most likely also fix the other package
<msd>
Right
<msd>
On it
<jazzencat>
Oh, boy, there goes the wifi again. Now it doesn't work after a reboot...
<jazzencat>
ip link shows the interface down, but ifup spits an error saying that ifup can't open /etc/network/interfaces: no such file or directory. Naturally, it's NixOS so I'd expect that... so what to I need to tell the system to make it behave itself usefully?
<msd>
LnL: is there a case statement in Nix?
<copumpkin>
I want to build the smallest nixos image ever
<copumpkin>
what do I do?
<LnL>
msd: no if else or attrs."${name}"
<msd>
kk
<LnL>
copumpkin: you'll probably want to mkForce environment.systemPackages since a bunch of stuff gets included there
<LnL>
by default
<LnL>
unless you don't want it to be *that* tiny
<copumpkin>
I do
<Sonarpulse>
copumpkin: clever had something
<Sonarpulse>
though not normal nixos
<copumpkin>
oh yeah, that's not-os
<Sonarpulse>
yeah
<copumpkin>
I want nixos but with no junk
<Sonarpulse>
k
<Sonarpulse>
I'd love to see minimal true nixos shrink
<Sonarpulse>
good challenge
<copumpkin>
is there a simple "configuration.nix -> image file" script/entry point?
<jazzencat>
Okay, ip link is showing the interface as down and ifup wlp3s0 is giving me an error about not being able to open /etc/network/interfaces because the directory doesn't exist.
<msd>
LnL: also it requires gtk2 -- something that isn't really meant for Mac
<LnL>
msd: you don't need the patchelf stuff on darwin
<LnL>
msd: and if you need to patch shared libs you can use install_name_tool
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<Mic92>
jazzencat: it is actually ip link set wlp3s0 up
<Mic92>
jazzencat: but I think you want wap_supplicant
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<msd>
LnL: is there a glibc equivalent on Mac?
<jazzencat>
Ooh, thanks Mic92, that ip link command did the trick.
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<jazzencat>
And BusyBox doesn't like the systemctl status connman command. Complains about less: --'R' being an invalid option.
<jazzencat>
Guess busybox is getting tossed out on it's ear again.
<LnL>
msd: libSystem but it's not pure, so it doesn't matter
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<msd>
LnL: cool. I'll just make the package imports and the patchelf statements conditional if the system's Linux or not
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<msd>
LnL: also wrapProgram is or isn't our program, and should or should not be used on Mac?
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<jazzencat>
Is there an easy way to install either a deb, rpm or slackware tgz on NixOS?
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<mguentner>
is there a way to force a remote build or avoid local builds in general when nix.distributed = true and buildMachines is populated?
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<gchristensen>
Mic92: wow no kidding ... not very easy to work with.
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<stepcut>
I successfully hacked up nixpkgs to build GHC 8.0.2 on armv7 \o/. Next step is to do it right :-/
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<sheenobu>
stepcut, are you using the armv7 cache? been wondering how to disable that...
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<stepcut>
sheenobu: I have no idea
<sheenobu>
ahh. i think only a few things get grabbed from that when you specify system.whatever = 'armlv7', assuming that is what you did
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<NodeGuy>
I'm up and running on NixOS for the first time and it's a dream! Thank you for your help getting me started!
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<stepcut>
sheenobu: No.. I started from scratch pretty much. I install nixpkgs on raspbian and built nixos-install and then used it to bootstrap my RPi3
<sheenobu>
ahhh
<sheenobu>
hrm
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<Rotaerk>
is there some way to make nix-prefetch-url available without using the nix package
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<sheenobu>
Rotaerk, the file is a binary which links against nix libraries. Probably statically compile it?
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<simpson>
Rotaerk: You've had a bunch of questions along these lines. What are you working on?
<sheenobu>
Rotaerk, you could probably fetch a url and pipe it through sha. I'd check if their results are the same, though
<Rotaerk>
trying to allow cabal:// style cabal2nix calls to work from within a nix derivation
<Rotaerk>
cabal2nix seems to look for nix-prefetch-url
<Rotaerk>
but if I add nix to my build depends, it tries to write somewhere it shouldn't, when I run the derivation
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<Rotaerk>
particularly, it gives me an error saying that /nix/var/nix/db is not writable ... not sure why using the nix package would cause that though
<Rotaerk>
actually, the solution may be to find a way to remove cabal2nix's dependency on the nix-prefetch stuff
<Rotaerk>
wonder why it needs them...
<sheenobu>
I assume since it generates hashes it needs to fetch URLs and generate hashes out of them.
<sheenobu>
elm2nix.rb is a good, simple example in the nixpkg tree
<Rotaerk>
yea probably; thinking the directory it fetches those URLs into could be customizable though, so that I can put it into $out instead
<simpson>
Rotaerk: BTW I think that you might be hitting some sort of recursive Nix edge case, but I'm not sure; Nix itself is beyond me.
<sheenobu>
Rotaerk, can you post a simple reproduction of this issue?
<Rotaerk>
hmm, give me some time; will see if I can
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<Rotaerk>
btw, I've been testing my derivation by doing this in a nix-repl: c2n = import ./cabal2nixResult.nix {}; import (c2n "cabal://mtl")
<Rotaerk>
the second import is to force it to actually run... is there a better way?
<sheenobu>
interesting... c2n is a function which takes in a cabal URL
<Rotaerk>
yep, and produces a derivation
<Rotaerk>
or would if it actually worked
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<Rotaerk>
oh... I'm dumb
<Rotaerk>
I was assuming that the dependency on nixpkgs.nix was failing somehow, but it was successful; cabal2nix actually ran, tried to use nix-prefetch-url, and that was causing the error
<Rotaerk>
so yea, if I want this to work, I need to find a way to get it not to use that at all
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<sheenobu>
and you can't know the hash in advance?
<Rotaerk>
looks like cabal2nix *does* support a --sha256 parameter; lemme test if passing that in causes it to skip the prefetch
<Rotaerk>
that would be good
<Rotaerk>
\o/ it works
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<mkoenig>
If I have to sets, e.g. haskellPackages1 and haskellPackages2. How can I merge them into one?
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<mkoenig>
Do I have to make a new derivation and give them as buildInputs?
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<Rotaerk>
mkoenig, what do haskellPackages1/2 contain?
<Rotaerk>
actually this gives me ghc 8.0.1 and ghcjs: nix-shell -p haskell.compiler.ghc801 haskell.compiler.ghcjs
<mkoenig>
It is possible but I don't understand how it is done here
<Rotaerk>
order there matters in terms of which ghc is available
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<Rotaerk>
not sure if ghcjs will like the ghc that's in the path being the wrong version for it though
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<mkoenig>
nix-shell shell.nix -p my-ghcjs my-ghc
<mkoenig>
this won't work
<mkoenig>
nix-shell shell.nix -A my-ghcjs
<mkoenig>
works
<Rotaerk>
you could also try nix-shell -E
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<Rotaerk>
look at the example of -E in the man page
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<jazzencat>
When I select logout in my DE I get a message saying "Failed to execute login command" before it drops briefly to console and then back to SLiM. Any way to fix this? It doesn't impact usability, but for aesthetics would be nice to correct.
<mkoenig>
Using nix-shell -E not very different to shell.nix. the problem with buildInputs is, that it tries to compile everything before entering the shell. And this often fails
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master f173da3 Eelco Dolstra: Use only one build of qemu in VM tests...
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<nekroze>
I am having troubles compiling emby. It compiles fine on my ubuntu machine with a nix single user install (even upgraded it to a multi user install and it compiled) but my nixos machine just fails on `xbuild` due to a segmentation fault
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<nekroze>
has anyone seen anything like this or have any suggestions
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<Samvh>
hi
<Samvh>
I just started using nixOS, and I like it
<Samvh>
but now I think I noticed I have the same version of ghc installed twice (both 1gb), even though my installation is still very minimal
<Samvh>
and I'm not sure why
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<nekroze>
Samvh: Hi, while the version is the same, nix doesn't care too much about versions in this case. I would guess the hashes are different and they are both in your nix store consuming the space, not necisarily installed.
<Samvh>
they are in /nix/store, yes
<Samvh>
that's not where they are installed?
<Samvh>
and yes the hashes are different
<nekroze>
For this you can use `nix-store --delete /nix/blah`
<nekroze>
that will remove the one you dont want anymore
<Samvh>
that won't break dependencies?
<Samvh>
because I ran garbage-collection, and I assumed that that would remove everything that's unneeded
<nekroze>
that is where the packages are stored but with nix that is different from being in an active environment or configuration
<nekroze>
its possible you have for example installed one of the GHC versions via nix-env -i in your user and have different version installed say via system.environmentPackages in /etc/nixos/*.nix
<nekroze>
in which case you should nix-env -q the user installed one or rebuild without it mentioned in enviornmentPackages
<nekroze>
or something similar
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<Samvh>
hm ok, I don't entirely understand the user-installed - environmentPackages distinction
<nekroze>
see with nix the entire dependency tree of a package (as I understand it) contributes to its hash. so while both GHC apps are the same version they may be built with a different compiler version or use a different lib for something
<Samvh>
I assumed if I nixos-rebuild, it will go to a sort of clean install, where maybe user-installed packages are not in that configuration
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<nekroze>
Samvh: Each user, and the system itself, gets a nix profile. This is what makes the packages available. A user can access any applications installed in the system via environmentPackages but no other user can use the profile (set of apps) of any given user
<Samvh>
at some point I installed stack (haskell package manager) from the root user, later I found out I could install it using environmentPackages, so I did that because it seemed cleaner
<nekroze>
so you can have nothing in environmentPackages leaving a very minimal system and the users can install whatever packages they want and never affect any other user
<Samvh>
aha ok, so if I install a package as root, but not in environmentPackages, it is not globally available?
<nekroze>
so then just go back to root and ` nix-env -e ghc` or whatever the package is called and then a nix-collect-garbage will clean it
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<nekroze>
its very different compared to other distros (bar guix to some degree) but after you get used to it, the flexibility is increadible.
<Samvh>
I ran nix-env -e haskellPackages.stack now (that gives no output), then running nix-collect-garbage -d says 0 MB deleted
<Samvh>
well yes I really like it so far
<nekroze>
but as you have noticed there is a tendency to consume large amounts of space for less then obvious reasons
<Samvh>
but things seem to be happening that I don't understand
<Samvh>
and that, yes
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<Samvh>
so is there an easy way to list the user installed packages, and the environment packages, separately?
<nekroze>
I am in the process of replacing all my servers with nixos and orchestrating it with nixops. I hate it when it doesn't work but its really cool when it does
<nekroze>
nix-env -q
<LnL>
Samvh: nix-store --gc --print-roots
<nekroze>
shows just user installed apckages
<LnL>
what does that show
<Samvh>
nekroze: thanks
<LnL>
wait that's not going to be usefull
<Samvh>
LnL: 5 lines with some things that look like links
<Samvh>
ok
<Samvh>
:)
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<LnL>
that's everything that's alive, but the question here is why a specific path is alive right?
<Samvh>
ok, I ran nix-env -e on all the packages listed from nix-env -q, and then garbage collected
<Samvh>
that seems to have removed the user installed packages
<Samvh>
the tools are still available (They are in my environment) and 2 GB was freed up
<Samvh>
so that seems to have worked
<Samvh>
LnL: I think so - alive means not removed when I garbage collect?
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<LnL>
yes, you don't want it to remove stuff that you are using :)
<nekroze>
also it wouldn't be classified as garbage then
<Samvh>
ok it seems that my issue is solved, thanks
<Samvh>
by the way can I add any package to environmentPackages? i.e. also packages from a signal (I think that's the term?)
<Samvh>
no not signal
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<Samvh>
when you have a set of packages that's not the base set
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<Samvh>
like nixpkgs packages
<sphalerite>
Samvh: I also found that running nix-store --optimise saves a lot of the space that the two ghc installations use
<Samvh>
never mind I think I found the answer, I have to specify a path: nixos-rebuild switch -I nixpkgs=/path/to/my/nixpkgs
<Samvh>
sphalerite: I'll try that
<nekroze>
you can install any packages you can see on the site nixos.org/nixos/packages.html and you can install others but you mast call the package file itself which is what nixpkgs does for you
<nekroze>
sphalerite: I'll have to look into that one. Does it do some kind of merging for the profiles that use similar versioned packages?
<sphalerite>
nekroze: it finds identical files across all packages and creates hard links so that each file is only actually stored in one place on disk (even though it has multiple locations on the filesystem)
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<nekroze>
with nixops, is there a way to have different nix-channels for each machine in a deployment?
<sphalerite>
It doesn't do anything with profiles
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<LnL>
nekroze: -I works for nixops create
<LnL>
nekroze: oh within a deployment, no idea
<Samvh>
hm now as a test, I installed mysql as root (nix-env -i mysql), but actually it *is* available for other users as well
<nekroze>
Seperate things sorry, first one I meant the nix-store --optimise. How does it save space with two similar packages?
<nekroze>
Samvh: I am not sure if root is special... I never use it
<Samvh>
I see
<sphalerite>
nekroze: any identical files in two packages are deduplicated. As it happens, when I had two copies of ghc installed, most of the 1GB worth of library files was the same across the two, so rather than using 2GB for the same stuff twice it ended up using 1GB for the same stuff once
<sphalerite>
But the two distinct ghc packages still existed
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<nekroze>
sphalerite: Ah cool, didn't know about that one. Love nix
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<chris|>
can I specify a different nixos channel for specific declarative nix containers?
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<LnL>
nekroze: chris: you might be able to override the pkgs argument of the nixos modules, not sure if there is another way
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<rly>
How do I properly pass "$@" to a process started via nix-shell --run 'myprocess <???>' ? # fill in <???>
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<rly>
Every example of nix-shell I see doesn't use arguments :/
<rly>
I could generate a script and then call that, but that seems ridiculously complicated.
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<nekroze>
rly: I am not sure but doing with a script is pretty easy. Just put two shebangs at the top "#! /usr/bin/env nix-shell" and #! nix-shell -i bash -p nixops
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<rly>
nekroze: the problem is that running the resulting script with e.g. --help is then interpreted by nix-shell, not by the program I want to run.
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<rly>
nekroze: I just want to pass "$@" through.
<nekroze>
rly: huh. that is odd. sorry I am not sure
<rly>
OK, I had expected this to run 'echo hi' in the context of bash.
<rly>
However, it says that 'echo' is an undefined variable.
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<the-kenny>
Can I read the public IPv4 address inside a nixops deployed container somehow reliably?
<rly>
Never mind, I probably already know what's wrong.
<nekroze>
the-kenny: I just had to wrestle with this issue so I can say yes.
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<nekroze>
add resources to the files parameters ( as in {config, resources, ...}:) and then you can use resources.machines.testmachine.networking.privateIPv4
<nekroze>
the-kenny: now there is some caveats, depending on your deployment type
<nekroze>
the-kenny: none (ssh/metal) does not fille in that variable so I set it to deployment.targetHost in that circumstance. Also containers get privateIPv4 automatically but not a publicIPv4, I believe aws would have a different IP for each of the variables.
<nekroze>
however if a machine has not yet been deployed then nixops does't fill in the variable so you may need to set a default or as I know have to do, just deploy everything at once for the first run.
<the-kenny>
nekroze: Thanks, that's very helpful :)
<nekroze>
the-kenny: I came here to the freenodes asking just this like 4 days ago but I had to figure it out myself. I could't subject you to that pain lol.
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<the-kenny>
heh
<the-kenny>
This should likely be added to the documentation
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<jophish>
I'm trying to build the nix deb file from release.nix however it seems to require access to the kvm module
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<jophish>
I've tried building it as root, but no change
<gchristensen>
good morning #nixos, looks like there was some awesome work on the vulnerability roundup last night :)
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] joachifm opened pull request #21302: libfaketime: make the build reproducible (master...deterministic-libfaketime) https://git.io/v1Nv7
<LnL>
gchristensen: that's great!
<gchristensen>
thank you so much, niksnut!
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* gchristensen
lets out a huge sigh of relief
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<LnL>
oh the hydra stuff is fixed?
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<gchristensen>
and if you go back intime there was never an eventbreaking 8,000 packages
<unlmtd[m]>
test
<gchristensen>
pass
<unlmtd[m]>
can anyone read this
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<gchristensen>
yes
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<ToxicFrog>
mkDerivation question -- there's `buildInputs` for build-time dependencies, and `patchelf` for runtime library dependencies
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<ToxicFrog>
What's the best way to specify runtime *program* dependencies?
<gchristensen>
ToxicFrog: 1. if the built program references anything else in the store, it will be discovered when the build is finished and marked as a run-time dependency
<gchristensen>
ToxicFrog: 2. you can also do propagatedBuildInputs
<joachifm>
ToxicFrog: a common approach is to generate a wrapper that sets an appropriate PATH, if you're packaging an app that shells out or smth
<gchristensen>
oh, good point, that might be their question
<ToxicFrog>
gchristensen, joachifm: yeah, this is a closed-source program that shells out to python and pkexec
<joachifm>
wrappers are to be avoided if possible, I think, but it usually gets the job done.
<ToxicFrog>
Hmm
<ToxicFrog>
actually I think what I really want here is buildFHSUserEnv with appropriate targetPkgs, isn't it
<gchristensen>
now that one is definitely avoided, but you can
<ToxicFrog>
since at least for cp I'm pretty sure it doesn't respect $PATH at all
<ToxicFrog>
It assumes cp == /bin/cp always
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<ToxicFrog>
But, hypothetically
<ToxicFrog>
If I had a program that did respect $PATH
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<ToxicFrog>
My question isn't "how do I get PATH set properly"
<ToxicFrog>
It's "how do I ensure that installing this program also causes polkit and python3 to be installed"
<mbrock>
ToxicFrog: basically, by ensuring that the derivation for this program depends on polkit and python3
<joachifm>
ToxicFrog: setting PATH accomplishes that and also makes sure the app calls the versions you built against.
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<joachifm>
ToxicFrog: generally, what gchristensen said answers your question, I think
<gchristensen>
ToxicFrog: well it is related, because if the user doesn't have python3 in their path, you'll need to be either adding it to the path via a wrapper script, or hard-coding the path to your python3
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bjornfor pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1NUl
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 6b4a41a Alexander Kjeldaas: libfaketime: make the build reproducible...
<ToxicFrog>
joachifm: I'm not sure what you mean by "built against". They aren't build-time dependencies. The program only needs them at runtime. That's why I don't want to just slap them into the buildInputs.
<gchristensen>
I think maybe you need an example
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bjornfor closed pull request #21302: libfaketime: make the build reproducible (master...deterministic-libfaketime) https://git.io/v1Nv7
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] LnL7 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1NUR
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 49e3190 Daiderd Jordan: Revert "xhyve: update and fix to use our Hypervisor framework"...
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<joachifm>
ToxicFrog: as in the versions you passed to the build ... you do realize that all buildInputs does is add stuff to the build environment? whether they are included in the runtime closure depends on whether the build captures any references to them
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<joachifm>
ToxicFrog: so writing e.g., exec("${python}/bin/python") into your output ensures that 1) that python is in the closure; 2) and that exec calls *your* specific python and not some random python it happens to find at runtime
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<joachifm>
same principle applies for libraries &c
<mbrock>
ToxicFrog: if the derivation involves a wrapper that adds, say, the bin/ directory of python3 to PATH, then python3 will be installed as a dependency. That's kind of how dependencies work in Nix, and it's somewhat different from the typical package manager's lists of dependencies
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<ToxicFrog>
Aah. Ok. That makes sense.
<mbrock>
ToxicFrog: I think the Nixpkgs feature you want is probably `wrapProgram`, which you can call in the `postInstall` script to easily create a PATH-manipulating wrapper
<mbrock>
here's an example of a postInstall script in one of my packages, wrapping a program called "lambda" to add the awscli and jshon tools to that program's PATH
<ToxicFrog>
mbrock: that will be useful for some other things, but not, I think, for this
<ToxicFrog>
Because it hard-codes some paths
<ToxicFrog>
E.g. it expects cp to always be /bin/cp, ignoring PATHJ
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<ToxicFrog>
and now, to work! thanks for all the help
<mbrock>
ah, I think the most straightforward way to fix that is to simply substitute the string "/bin/cp" in the affected files (hopefully it's not too many)
<mbrock>
you can search for "substituteInPlace" in nixpkgs to see examples
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<mbrock>
example from one random package: `substituteInPlace src/config.c --replace /usr/bin/tar ${gnutar}/bin/tar`
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<mbrock>
that might not work with a binary blob program though -- I haven't dealt with that situation myself
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<joachifm>
if the replacement is shorter than the original it might work (so /bin/cp\0 -> cp\0000)
<joachifm>
as I recall Profpatsch talked about doing something like that a while back
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<gchristensen>
domenkozar: did you try those commands?
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* Profpatsch
steps out of the shadows
<Profpatsch>
joachifm: Somebody wants to patch a path in an .so file?
<Profpatsch>
1) Is there absolutely no way to patch that before the .so is created?
<Profpatsch>
2) Is the new path longer than the old path?
<Profpatsch>
That is: with the store hash and everything?
<gchristensen>
anyone want to make an easy contribution? upgrade nagios to 4.2.4 and put "for CVE-2016-9565, CVE-2016-9566" in the commit message :)
<gilligan_>
is it possible that the deployment.keys feature of nixos is somehow broken in some way? the files/dirs belong to root:root and I cannot access any of it with a user belonging to the "keys" group
<gilligan_>
s/nixos/nixops
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<LnL>
no idea, I didn't know you could do that with nixops
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] ttuegel pushed 2 new commits to release-16.09: https://git.io/v1NO6
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-16.09 99352b0 Peter Hoeg: dropbox: 15.4.22 -> 16.4.29
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-16.09 97b3de9 Thomas Tuegel: Merge pull request #21291 from peterhoeg/u/db_stable...
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<gchristensen>
"nix-prefetch-url -A package.src" is such a timesaver.
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<LnL>
gchristensen: howso?
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<gilligan_>
LnL, actually everything is working just fine and this key service thingy is pretty cool ;)
<gchristensen>
lnl no need to manually reconstruct the URL and nix-prefetch-url, or nix-build, copy the sha, nix-build again
<LnL>
gilligan_: yeah sounds pretty useful
<Profpatsch>
dtzWill: Not sure I understand the question.
<Profpatsch>
But you can use patchelf to modify the RPATH of ELF binaries.
<LnL>
gchristensen: well it doesn't work with other fetch* functions (or does it?)
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<Profpatsch>
So if you overwrite e.g. execve in your file and prepend it to the RPATH your execve symbol should be seen by the linker before the glib one.
<gchristensen>
LnL: it does
<gchristensen>
LnL: the exception is fetchpatch
<Profpatsch>
And as far as I know there is a directive for „call the next symbol called xy“ to jump to the actual execve from your wrapper.
<Guest66912>
gchristensen: I didn't know that nix-prefetch-url could take an -A argument!
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] ttuegel pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1N36
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master b9d3898 Thomas Tuegel: qt57: 5.7.0 -> 5.7.1
<gchristensen>
Guest66912: same, until eelco showed the chan a few weeks ago :)
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<LnL>
same, but I still prefer using nix-build to avoid issues
<LnL>
I fixed darwin.libunwind last week just by changing the sha
<LnL>
it had the same as the linux source so nix just used that
<gchristensen>
wait ... what?
<LnL>
the source doesn't matter for fetchurl
<gchristensen>
there was a collision?
<aristid>
it sounds more like somebody changed the source but copied the wrong sha
<LnL>
no, somebody just used the sha of the linux source
<gchristensen>
ohh I see
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<LnL>
you don't run into that stuff if you nix-build with sha = "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000";
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<aristid>
LnL: yeah when i change the source i do it that way nowadays, usually
<aristid>
nix-prefetch-url is a little more cumbersome
<aristid>
if there's multiple sources i use 000000, 111111, 22222 and so on :D
<LnL>
if would be nice if we had a tool that could do that for us given an expression
<aristid>
:)
<gchristensen>
what, blow away shas?
<LnL>
basically yes
<aristid>
or patch them up
<gchristensen>
given a fairly known length and pattern "..." it should be fairly doable
<aristid>
however, if you have upstream shas, please do try to use those
<LnL>
at the moment we don't really have anything that can correctly verify them
<jophish___>
I write the nix file and leave rev and hash as "", update-nix-fetchgit sets it up to HEAD
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<LnL>
cool, it's a different usecase but it's pretty similar to what I'm talking about
<dtzWill>
Profpatsch: well rpath is just /where/ things are searched, how do you get it to load your library at all? and yeah RTLD_NEXT is what you'd want for finding next symbol in search
<dtzWill>
anyway just trying to get details on your comment re:replicating LD_PRELOAD by modifying the .so
<dtzWill>
anyway
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<jophish___>
The nix-build behaviour has changed and it no longer shows curl in action (or which cache it's using). Is the old behavior still available?
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<jophish___>
gchristensen: When I ran nix-build in the past I used to see the curl output when it was fetching inputs, and some string like 'signed by "cache name"'. Not all I seem to get is "fetching path ..."
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] joachifm opened pull request #21306: Remove uses of gzip that might capture build time (master...gzip-9n) https://git.io/v1Nlz
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] matthiasbeyer opened pull request #21307: cataract: init at 1.1.0 and HEAD (master...add-cataract) https://git.io/v1NlM
<manveru>
i suspect that they want more isolation than chroot provides
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] edolstra pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/v1N4R
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 6758d15 Joachim Fasting: multipath-tools: ensure gzip does not capture timestamp...
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<gchristensen>
thank you :) *crosses fingers*
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<gchristensen>
joachifm: nice patches!
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<LnL>
yeah, it would be very nice if more stuff works with --check
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<gchristensen>
domenkozar: hrm ... disappointing.
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<gchristensen>
niksnut: I thought you reverted the changes with nix, but https://hydra.nixos.org/build/44839000 (go_1_7.x86_64) failed due to expecting an EPERM. did I misunderstand?
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<joachifm>
gchristensen: it's the oldest PR still open, I think :)
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<niksnut>
gchristensen: I reverted use of seccomp, but it still uses user namespaces
<gchristensen>
oh I see
<niksnut>
it just doesn't run as root inside the namespace
<niksnut>
don't know why that confuses go though
<gchristensen>
niksnut: user namespaces seem to allow this to happen: mkdir foo; chmod 0000 foo; touch foo/bar
<gchristensen>
which is what broke pytest as well, for example
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<niksnut>
gchristensen: when running as root I assume
<aristid>
that feeling when you added a dependency to the function arguments but forgot to add it to the buildInputs
<niksnut>
gchristensen: I get permission denied
<aristid>
niksnut: is there a way to let nix warn on unused parameters?
<gchristensen>
niksnut: interesting, I see
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<niksnut>
the SCM thing suggests some interaction with sending credentials over unix domain sockets
* aristid
proceeds with updating cmake to 3.7.1 for aesthetic reasons
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<niksnut>
aristid: not currently
<aristid>
i assume updating cmake in staging is fine?
<niksnut>
sure
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<aristid>
niksnut: if it doesn't run as uid 0 anymore, can we re-enable the parted tests?
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<gchristensen>
niksnut: that is definitely relevant looking, though our error message is fairly different... also -- 1.7 should have it, being only a few months old.
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<aristid>
doing too much c++ must have brainwashed me, but i think cmake is great
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<Biappi>
great... maybe not. the best we have... maybe
<Biappi>
=)
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<aristid>
Biappi: that is possible... my main gripes are that it silently ignores typos in target_link_libraries, and that the variable scoping and syntax are weird
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<Biappi>
yeah
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<niksnut>
aristid: sure, though arguably builds should work even under uid == 0
<aristid>
niksnut: the test skips device-mapper tests if not run as root
<aristid>
niksnut: but we have never properly set things up for device-mapper tests, i think, so they fail
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] aristidb pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/v1NuC
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<gchristensen>
niksnut: I wish there were a way to have release-16.09 be built with a slightly-more-stable version of nix than unstable, but I'm not imagining that would be very easy.
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<pierron>
domenkozar: Do you need any help for the security-update branch on Hydra?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] aristidb pushed 1 new commit to staging: https://git.io/v1NVY
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging 8a5fb68 Aristid Breitkreuz: mariadb: use latest boost
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<jazzencat>
I have a binary of Telegram Messenger (a tar.xz with binary in them) but when I try to run it with right-click it says Enlightenment couldn't run the application.
<jazzencat>
Is there something I need to do on NixOS to run a binary?
<aristid>
jazzencat: yes, binaries typically need to be patched before they can be run with nixos
<aristid>
jazzencat: telegram client is open source, isn't it? i think it'd be better to package the telegram client
<jazzencat>
This one is meant so that you can just run it from the home directory.
<jazzencat>
All I can find from their site is the tar with the two binaries in it (app and updater)
<jazzencat>
I can run it on other distros with no special actions.
<aristid>
most distros follow the filesystem hierarchy standard (FHS), at least vaguely
<aristid>
nixos does not at all.
<aristid>
which is why most external binaries and sources need patching
<aristid>
jazzencat: also, it seems like somebody already packaged telegram for nixos. why not use that?
<jazzencat>
Oh, I didn't know that.
<jazzencat>
Which channel is it in? Unstable?
<jazzencat>
Or do I need to add another channel..
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<jazzencat>
Other question: could nixos be made to package it's stuff a more like AppImage? That way programs could be moved around.
<gchristensen>
jazzencat: appimage is a poor imitation of what nixos does, nixos programs are already portable
<simpson>
jazzencat: If the program is sufficiently terrible, then there's an FHS environment tool which can put the program into an FHS cage.
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<jophish>
quit
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<jazzencat>
Oh, nice. So I can copy my nixos binary of vlc on a usb drive and use it on a different computer.
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<aristid>
jazzencat: it should be in unstable, i think it's called cutegram or so
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<jazzencat>
I'm not finding telegram with nix-env -qa in 16.09 or unstable. Do I need to add another channel?
<jazzencat>
Oh, that's why.
<jazzencat>
We are talking about the program you get from www.telegram.org, right?
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<gchristensen>
jazzencat: cutegram is from telegram.org
<gchristensen>
there is also telegram-cli and tdesktop
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<jazzencat>
Ooh, thanks
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<george__>
hello
<george__>
how to list all installed packages in user environment?
<jazzencat>
Downloading all of them and test them out. I have broken my NixOS a few times and manage to fix it by rebooting to an earlier generation if necessary... or else just run a rollback from console.
<dtzWill>
we'll see how pricing/reviews/availability works out but looks pretty great to me! :)
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<jophish>
dtzWill: it runs Linux pretty well
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<dtzWill>
awesome! :D I know it's silly but excited that compared to last year's it supports more RAM (max 8GB, really?) and optional discrete graphics card (I know... but I don't play games all that much and don't want a separate machine for when I do...)
<dtzWill>
actually kinda surprised they can fit a 1050 in the same package re:power/heat--I know the 10 series is supposed to be much better in that regard but @.@
<dtzWill>
gchristensen: AFAIK absolutely brand new, yes, don't think it's actually sold anywhere yet (??). I got the link from HN O:)
<gchristensen>
dtzWill: so glad I got cold feet :P
<dtzWill>
and yeah I've been eye'ing all the XPS lines for a while now haha
<dtzWill>
gchristensen: me too, work is buying me a laptop and this looks like the ticket ^.^
<jophish>
In that case I don't know how well it runs linux :)
<gchristensen>
jophish: since XPS is designed to run linux, probably pretty well?
<dtzWill>
haha indeed, honestly only real thing I want to /know/ works with linux and don't have patience to muck about with is the wireless card
<jophish>
We have the last generation "pretty xps 15", and that has 16GB
<dtzWill>
spotty/crash-prone/intermittent wireless ruins everything lol, I can deal with most other things xD
<dtzWill>
jophish: oh it supported 16GB? oops I missed that :3 good to know
<jophish>
dtzWill: I think it might have even gone to 32gb with the 1tb drive
<jophish>
can't remember now though
<dtzWill>
np, ty for info though :)
<jophish>
There are probably some really good machines for Linux now, why compromise? :)
<gchristensen>
best one I've ever had is the macbookpro 11,3 :)
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<jophish>
I shudder thinking about how many hours of my life I've poured into fixing stupid things like wireless drivers and graphics cards
<gchristensen>
(the reason the macbook pro series is so good is there are so few options, and people like running them, so they get what I perceive to be more hours of attention at the kernel level)
<jophish>
gchristensen: really? Last time I used linux on a mac it was terrible (8 years ago perhaps)
<jazzencat>
Is the format for defining an sddm theme the same as the theme option for slim?
<jophish>
gchristensen: good to see that it's better supported now :)_
<jophish>
as long as OSX can run Nix I'm happy there
<gchristensen>
:) it is just very disappointing that they mucked up their new line
<dtzWill>
jophish: haha but somehow I can tolerate graphics things more readily--a)closer to things I understand and b)"worst case" if I can just get it to blit text I still have an otherwise solid machine for dev work lol. Broken networking stack is either very limiting or just /constantly/ annoying (constantly losing connection == sadface)
<jazzencat>
Yeah, OS X with Nix and Homebrew is really neat. :)
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<jophish>
jazzencat: what do you use homebrew for?
<dtzWill>
haha I read something somewhere that pointed out how a /slow/ and/or /unreliable/ internet connection was somehow *so much worse* than simply no internet, which I found amusingly accurate
<dtzWill>
no internet? -> decide to do non-internet activities, all is well
<dtzWill>
xD
<dtzWill>
ooo linux on the mac article is from nov 2016-- neat!
<jazzencat>
I had it installed before I discovered Nix, and I have used it to install some applications when there isn't a nix package for it.
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<gchristensen>
jophish: also, homebrew does a great job with Applications.app, and nix does not
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<LnL>
heh I still can't run linux on mine :p
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] aszlig pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1NdO
<jazzencat>
And like nix puts everything in one location, so aside from the com.whatever in /Users/user/Library and /Library
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<dtzWill>
oh it appears the xp15 /does/ have a line (current gen, 9550) with both (up to) 32GB ram /and/ a dedicated gpu (960M), neat!
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<gchristensen>
dtzWill: do they have one with 32gb of ram and no dedicated GPU?
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<dtzWill>
gchristensen: doesn't look like it?
<gchristensen>
damn :(
<dtzWill>
gchristensen: but other than price for something you don't want/need, with switching and such you can probably just not use the dedicated graphics
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<jophish>
cool, thanks
<dtzWill>
they all come with the intel graphics which are actually pretty solid these days
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<gchristensen>
yeah
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<gchristensen>
I just don't like dealing with switching
<dtzWill>
hell my current laptop mostly fits my gaming needs and it's got intel hd 4000, my beloved lenovo x230 hehe
<dtzWill>
yeah, you can probably just force it to one and leave it that way lol
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<dtzWill>
i've heard switching can be a bit difficult but haven't had the hardware to check it out personally yet
<gchristensen>
maybe I'm just jaded after how impossible it is to gpu-switch on the mbp
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<jazzencat>
"The option value 'services.xserver.displayMangaer.sddm.theme' in '/etc/nixos/configuration.nix' is not a string." What am I missing?
<dtzWill>
AFAICT if you're willing to reboot between switches (lol) you can usually make that work, which is good enough for my needs at least as a baseline.
<jazzencat>
That's what I have in the configuration.nix file, but I am obviously missing something or the rebuild wouldn't be throwing me an error.
<gchristensen>
dtzWill: on the xps?
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<dtzWill>
gchristensen: that comment is regarding an inspiron 7000 my coworker picked up a few months ago, but I'd expect the same of the XPS
* dtzWill
reads the "gpu switching" section of the linked LWN article to see what the status of things on MBP's are
<gchristensen>
ah
<gchristensen>
dtzWill: "disaster"
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<dtzWill>
gchristensen: phew thanks for the tl;dr :D
<gchristensen>
you have to trick the system in to thinking you're booting to OSX to access it
<gchristensen>
doing that and loading the driver triggers an interrupt storm
<dtzWill>
first sentence there suggests that might be specific to MBP's hardware, since they are apparently "the only remaining vendor to build a multiplexer into hybrid graphics laptops"
<dtzWill>
oh MAN that's
<dtzWill>
kinda excellent in a very terrible way
<gchristensen>
yeah
<dtzWill>
I remember some wireless card I had only worked if I booted windows and soft-rebooted into linux lol
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<dtzWill>
which similarly simultaneously made me giggle but also cry
<jophish>
dtzWill: I've had that too!
<gchristensen>
classic...!
<jazzencat>
Grr...
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<jazzencat>
I am trying to define an sddm theme, but it's not a string, and I can't figure out what I'm missing based on the searchable options list on the NixOS website.
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<jazzencat>
The sddm.theme option doesn't have any example like slim.theme option does.
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<jazzencat>
Well, guess no theme for sddm for now until I can figure out what the hell the damn thing's problem is.
<dtzWill>
jazzencat: that's how slim converts its "theme" argument into a "string" (directory of unpacked theme)
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<dtzWill>
so if you don't mind the kludge you can probably copy that and replace 'cfg.theme' with your theme (fetchurl {...}) and away you go
<dtzWill>
but sounds like maybe sddm.nix should have similar functionality or something too, and an example in the manual O:)
<jazzencat>
What's the problem with sddm.theme then?
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<jazzencat>
The example in slim shows default value as '' while sddm it's ""
<dtzWill>
jazzencat: oh, sddm.nix doesn't unpack it first (like slim.nix does ta the linked line)
<dtzWill>
*at
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<jazzencat>
So do I need to paste in the nix-prefetch-url into sddm then?
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<dtzWill>
jazzencat: err so I've never used SDDM so *lots of salt* but here's basically what I had in mind: http://dtz.so/tofoq
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<dtzWill>
unfortunately looking into things
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<dtzWill>
looks like SDDM's theme parameter is meant to only select an existing theme (the value is used to set "Current=${cfg.theme}")
<dtzWill>
the snippet I pasted well make "theme" be a directory containing your fetched and extracted theme but I'm not sure that works that way
<dtzWill>
sorry O:)
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<jazzencat>
Can I put that in configuration.nix?
<dtzWill>
OH 'themes' is a parameter! List of packages containing themes ^.^
<dtzWill>
that's how you do it xD
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<dtzWill>
and 'theme' is a string of the name of the theme to you
<simpson>
niksnut, goodwill: Hi! A friend is putting together a thing at SCALE next year: http://scale.opensourceinfra.org/ He's looking for somebody with Nix infrastructure experience (Nix core, nixpkgs Hydra) to talk about it. Any suggestions? Should this go to the mailing list?
<dtzWill>
jazzencat: my snippet was intended for configuration.nix, yes, but it won't work--sddm wants you to add your themes as packages and select one with 'theme'
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<jazzencat>
I extracted the file to my ~ and added the "path/to/theme" to configuration.nix and it works.
<jazzencat>
It's a bit unweildy, but it will work.
<jazzencat>
I could move it and alter the path if needed.
<jazzencat>
That needs to be fixed as well.
<jazzencat>
Busybox is still screwing with nix-env -qa and such.
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<dtzWill>
jazzencat: wait does it actually use the theme? If so than the snippet I posted should work! lol
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] abbradar pushed 3 new commits to staging: https://git.io/v1NNh
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging a60500c Nikolay Amiantov: cyrus_sasl: 2.1.26 -> 2.5.10
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging f84344e Nikolay Amiantov: libkrb5: 1.14.3 -> 1.15
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/staging b0a1028 Nikolay Amiantov: samba4: 4.4.6 -> 4.5.3
<dtzWill>
but I'm not in a position to test and wasn't to be conservative
<dtzWill>
the snippet I post just unpacks it as a derivation and uses that path
<jazzencat>
I haven't checked yet.
<phorse>
what causes collisions and what's the best way to deal with them?
<jazzencat>
One sec.
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<dtzWill>
jazzencat: np, GL sir
<dtzWill>
eep
<phorse>
I get them every once in a while, and I usually remove one of the conflicting packages
<phorse>
but sometimes I'd like both
<phorse>
for instance, I'm experimenting with emacs x window manager
<phorse>
and that causes collisions with emacs
<phorse>
is a collision even something I should avoid?
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<jazzencat>
No, it doesn't work. Rolling back again.
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<jazzencat>
Meh, doesn't matter, SLiM works.
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<rardiol>
is python-packages.nix supposed to be sorted?
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<gchristensen>
rardiol: "yes"
<jazzencat>
Okay, when I log out of Enlightenment, SLiM gives me a "failed to execute login command"
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<rardiol>
gchristensen: that didn't sound very confident :)
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<gchristensen>
rardiol: well yes they are, but it is very difficult :)
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<copumpkin>
humans are bad at sorting and it's silly to expect them to
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<gchristensen>
eacameron: yo useem to be having network issues :)
<eacameron>
gchristensen: :( tell me about it.
<eacameron>
I'm wondering if I can use the same "options" stuff found in nixos packages for my own projects. I have a lot of configuration.
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<gchristensen>
domenkozar: can you restart the kde tests on 16.09 and unstable? I think they're failing "for no reason"
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<servilio>
hi all!
<servilio>
is there a way to load the content of a file as a string?
<ToxicFrog>
:ie: LnL, joachifm: re the syscall using $PATH or not: based on strace, it's calling execve(["/usr/bin/pkexec", "/bin/cp", ...], ...). So no $PATH respect.
<ToxicFrog>
Profpatsch: in this case it's not a .so but a closed-source text editor (Sublime Text)
<servilio>
gchristensen: thanks!!!
<LnL>
ToxicFrog: that's what I was afraid of
<LnL>
ToxicFrog: and /nix/store/.../bin/cp is definitely going to be longer then /bin/cp
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<ToxicFrog>
I *pkexec* respects $PATH, so replacing "/bin/cp" with "cp" would work fine as long as I could get it to the point of invoking pkexec
<ToxicFrog>
But the same is true of /nix/store/.../pkexec :P
<Profpatsch>
ToxicFrog: Well, you can easily change the path of an executable by using mkWrapper
<LnL>
oh it's sublime
<LnL>
you probably don't want to run that in a chroot :p
<Profpatsch>
sublime isn’t packaged yet?
<Profpatsch>
fascinating
<ToxicFrog>
Profpatsch: I thought mkWrapper was only useful for things like setting PATH=?
<ToxicFrog>
Profpatsch: Sublime 2 is. Sublime 3 isn't; that's what I'm working on.
<ToxicFrog>
I have it mostly working.
<dtzWill>
can you chroot it + bind-mount over X11 socket and misc workspace dirs? lol O:)
<dtzWill>
but of course I'd rather see it working in a more..compatible way lol
<ToxicFrog>
Editor loads up, plugins load and run, etc -- not many changes needed from the ST2 package.
<LnL>
dtzWill: lol, I guess that would work
<ToxicFrog>
The bit I'm working on now is editing root files as not-root
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<ToxicFrog>
If you attempt that in ST3, it (tries to) use pkexec to do the edits
<ToxicFrog>
I.e. it writes the new file to /tmp and then invokes pkexec cp to overwrite the root-owned file
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<ToxicFrog>
gchristensen: aah.
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<gchristensen>
ToxicFrog: how long did you work on packaging sublime?
<dtzWill>
haha it looks like what I was saying I wished existed--a reusable component targetted at the common task of 'redirecting' through interposition
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<dtzWill>
ToxicFrog: looks like it uses libredirect to convince sublime '/usr/bin/pkexec' is something else
<dtzWill>
transparently/automagically
<dtzWill>
(it looks neat, investigating...)
<gchristensen>
ToxicFrog: (let me know so I can document it as very painful)
<ToxicFrog>
gchristensen: based on my commit logs, a few hours
<gchristensen>
ToxicFrog: 3? more?
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<dtzWill>
Profpatsch: libredirect looks awfully related to what we were discussing this morning! Just passing along in case it helps with things you're hacking on :)
<ToxicFrog>
4 but probably at around 50-75% load, so figure 2-3 hours of actual work
<ToxicFrog>
Much of it spent staring at the output of strace
<dtzWill>
haha it also rewrites the "/bin/cp" string to "cp\0\0\0\0..." xD
<ToxicFrog>
Interestingly I didn't have the issue with plugin_host crashing without wrapProgram
<ToxicFrog>
That is a good question! let me try it
* dtzWill
doesn't, *clicky*
<ToxicFrog>
neither do I
<gchristensen>
that isn't how it works, that would list stuff which you already have installed
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<ToxicFrog>
gchristensen: no, it appears to list everything, including things I don't have installed
<dtzWill>
gchristensen: do you host this? Looks like plain 'nix.gsc.io' has a cert error (serves cert for search.nix.gsc.io), just FYI. (maybe redirect/update cert?)
<gchristensen>
erm, sorry, I'm wrong
<LnL>
wait
<ToxicFrog>
And with `--arg config '{ allowUnfree = true; }'` it does indeed list unfree software!
<gchristensen>
dtzWill: I do host it
<ToxicFrog>
So this seems like a *really* simple patch to the nixos website generator
<LnL>
ToxicFrog: yup :D
<gchristensen>
dtzWill: can't do a redirect since the issue is before SSL, the cert would need an extra name for nix.gsc.io
<LnL>
same for allowBroken perhaps?
<ToxicFrog>
LnL: do you want to go ahead and submit the PR, or shall I, or...?
<ToxicFrog>
What does allowBroken do?
<dtzWill>
gchristensen: oh, okay, apologies for bad suggestions anyway NBD just thought I'd mention :)
<gchristensen>
lets you try to install known-broken software
<ToxicFrog>
(or rather, I can guess what it does, but what makes a package count as 'broken'?)
<gchristensen>
dtzWill: it is a good point, I can get an additional name...
<dtzWill>
yeah, I always thought broken might include derivations that fail to evaluate
<gchristensen>
ToxicFrog: meta.broken = true
<LnL>
we probably also want that because of stuff that's darwin only for example
<dtzWill>
oh it looks like let's encrypt, so yeah that shouldn't be a /huge/ deal (compared to a purchsed SSL cert you have to call up or something lol), but I say that as someone who carefully setup his LE certs and hope they don't break lol
<gchristensen>
no, yeah, it really should be easy lol
<dtzWill>
anyway, ooo that search looks nice :D
<dtzWill>
gchristensen: is that search service using some public/available thing? (like, if I wanted to host a similar instance for random other code?)
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<dtzWill>
AND IT LINKS TO GITHUB?! EEeeeeeeeee
<dtzWill>
lol
<dtzWill>
..*ahem*
<gchristensen>
dtzWill: it is github.com/etsy/hound (available in nixpkgs / nixos as a service)
<dtzWill>
awww yiss
<dtzWill>
ty sir! :)
<gchristensen>
:)
<simpson>
Fancy.
<gchristensen>
it even searches all-packages.nix and python-packages.nix, which github dares not do
<LnL>
I just grep through nixpkgs when I'm looking for stuff :p
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<dtzWill>
LnL: haha yep, more recently I'm replacing my kludge shell aliases with 'ripgrep' :D
<ToxicFrog>
Anyways, it looks like adding that will fix the package search, and license information is already included, so if people want to avoid using unfree software it'll tell them right there on the website
<dtzWill>
shell aliases mostly just doing find/xargs/grep but ignoring version control lo
<ToxicFrog>
dtzWill: when sending patches to a new (== not patched by you before), OSPO (the Open Source Projects Office) likes to review the first few
<ToxicFrog>
This is an automated rubber stamp *as long as the project has an appropriate OSS license*
<ToxicFrog>
If it doesn't an actual human needs to look at it
<dtzWill>
oh! interesting, and ty for understanding I was sincere about being curious haha and not suggesting anything else :)
<mbrock>
dtzWill: I don't know what WiFi card the new XPS 15 has, but on the generation of XPS 13 I have from 2015, they came with either Broadcom or Intel. The Intel chip is just fine with Linux, but the Broadcom is kind of sucky and needs a blob driver. I had the Broadcom, but I recently changed it for an Intel 7265 at a cost of around 20 to 25 USD and ten
<mbrock>
minutes of easy work (small Torx T-15 screwdriver required)
<gchristensen>
I was going to say you should note in the PR that the search shows the license of the package, so it should be okay to show the package
<gchristensen>
but, in fact, it does not
<mbrock>
other than the Broadcom Wi-Fi, I'm very happy with the XPS (developer edition) running NixOS... the keyboard is nice, the carbon fibre is sweet, the 3200x1800 resolution (even higher on the new XPS 15) is beautiful, the touch screen works out of the box, etc
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<alex``>
hello
<Ralith>
mbrock: there's a new XPS 15?
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<ToxicFrog>
gchristensen: that information is definitely in the JSON
<alex``>
ha i have xps15 :)
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<ToxicFrog>
So I guess that's an issue with the JS that renders the site
<Ralith>
mbrock: the last gen is using a fancy broadcom thing that is theoretically supported, but I'm not aware of the next gen (w/ kaby lake) being out yet
<gchristensen>
well, yes, but this change to the json is almost definitely not going to get merged without the fix to the JS, ToxicFrog
<alex``>
i want to try a simple nodejs server on 127.0.0.1:8080 but i have a exception (i can listen port)
<Ralith>
hype
<ToxicFrog>
gchristensen: I figured
<dtzWill>
mbrock: ooo ty for the info, and yeah broadcom has a bad track record.. $20-25 is /np/ glad it's reasonably priced lol
<dtzWill>
not like $150 or some silly amount
<Ralith>
mbrock: the wifi card is an upgradable M.2 deal then?
<alex``>
Why is a lambda user unable to run a daemon on an 8080 port?
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<Ralith>
mbrock: hm, doesn't look like this is actually on sale yet, just announced
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<Ralith>
or not even announced properly
<LnL>
gchristensen: well it's fine anyway, people will notice when they try to install it
<alex``>
on my xps15 Broadcom Corporation BCM43602 802.11ac Wireless
<ToxicFrog>
gchristensen: found the problem, I think
<dtzWill>
lol yeah that's my understanding as well, Ralith
<mbrock>
hmm, yeah, the product page for me is pretty much empty right now. a few hours ago it was a nice announcement...
<ToxicFrog>
var license = info['meta']['license'];
<viric>
really... why the nixos install disk doesn't have 'man'?
<LnL>
ToxicFrog: I don't think there's a fixed type for any of the meta fields, but most should look like that
<alex``>
my only problems is Gnome crash with touch-screen. but i'm use xmonad and its work like a charm
<ToxicFrog>
LnL: there's a TODO for "handle lists and attrsets of licenses"
<ToxicFrog>
Based on spot checking, everything I've looked at has had this form
<gchristensen>
LnL: I don't think you understand how serious people are about this stuff, heh
<ToxicFrog>
It should probably use as-is if it's a string, and if not try ['fullName', 'name', 'shortName'] in that order, I guess? Aggravating that there isn't a formal schema for this
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<LnL>
gchristensen: for serious people it will fail to install :)
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<ToxicFrog>
But at any rate, this *also* looks like a pretty quick and easy fix, at least for the 90% case
<gchristensen>
LnL: for some, it is fairly egregious to even _have_ the packages, much less show them.
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] Profpatsch opened pull request #21313: picard: use lower mutagen version (master...picard-fix) https://git.io/v1Amx
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<ToxicFrog>
I can submit a patch for that if the website has a license by the time I get home, but for now, I must away from work. Laters!
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<emmanuel_erc>
hello there
<gchristensen>
hello
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<emmanuel_erc>
I get this error when I try to install the nix package manager: http://lpaste.net/350238
<emmanuel_erc>
has anyone here run into this error?
<LnL>
:(
<LnL>
never seen that before
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<aristid>
emmanuel_erc: do you have full permissions for /nix ?
<gchristensen>
emmanuel_erc: "error: setting synchronous mode: disk I/O error" do you have disk errors in dmesg?
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<emmanuel_erc>
gchristensen: how would I know if there is a disk error by checking dmesg?
<LnL>
I don't think so
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<gchristensen>
usually there are errors in there about, well, your disk :P
<gchristensen>
like sd* or something
<emmanuel_erc>
gchristensen: the only error I get is "[60108.663650] Chrome_ChildThr[12091]: segfault at 0 ip 000055b97b2d8129 sp 00007fc55dffe390 error 6 in plugin-container[55b97b2cf000+3e000]"
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] abbradar pushed 1 new commit to release-16.09: https://git.io/v1AGb
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/release-16.09 b2e80a5 Nikolay Amiantov: samba4: 4.3.11 -> 4.3.13
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<eacameron>
What's the easiest way to see which haskell packages (and versions) are in a nixpkgs version?
<jazzencat>
i3, awesome or xmonad?
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<kmicu>
Is standard ‘nix-env -qaP '.*' f '<nixpkgs>' --description -A haskellPackages’ not enough?
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<kmicu>
🙟 𝕹𝖎𝖝 𝕿𝖎𝖒𝖊𝖘 🙜 “…new feature in cabal called Nix–style local builds. It’s great. You should use it. It saved my PhD. Like I, literally, would not have been able to develop cabal changes without this.” ― https://youtu.be/A3ehG4GQpxU?t=2156
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<gchristensen>
ToxicFrog: ping
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<stepcut>
any idea how I install "collection-cjk" using the new texlive system? I can only find documentation on the old way
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<jack[m]>
qq: how big is /nix on the hydra servers?
<gchristensen>
jack[m]: not sure we know about all of them
<gchristensen>
jack[m]: but the AWS ones have a 100GB /
<jack[m]>
Huh. Wow.
<gchristensen>
hrm?
<stepcut>
oh, it is in the manual, nm.
<jack[m]>
(that's small, I've got TiBs of /nix stores)
<LnL>
stuff gets garbage collected pretty quickly once it's uploaded to the cache
<gchristensen>
jack[m]: they get pruned regularly
<gchristensen>
and the AWS servers die frequently
<LnL>
the s3 bucket is pretty huge
<jack[m]>
Mmm. Pruning the binary cache is another open question of mine...
<gchristensen>
it doesn't get pruned, I don't think
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<LnL>
we probably should, at some point...
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<gchristensen>
LnL: it isn't a problem that needs solving right now, is all :P
<jdanek>
hi, how do I set enableDebugInfo = true in ~/.nixpkgs/config.nix for a couple of chosen packages? I cannot do that systemwide, I do not have enough disk space.
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<jack[m]>
Hrm. I should move my binary cache to something cheaper.
<LnL>
I have a cache on my local nas :)
<gchristensen>
jack[m]: how big is yours?
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<gchristensen>
jack[m]: one mostly-valid strategy is to just delete stuff older than N days
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<jazzencat>
If I have a case where I need to install a system on multiple computers, can I generate hardware-config individually on each and then copy a configured configuration.nix and run the install that and get the same environment set up on each machine?
<jack[m]>
gchristensen (IRC): ~500GiB. Which is not big, but at $20/GiB (don't ask, enterprise) I get some flak.
<jack[m]>
LRU based on atime or something would probably be good, but I put some precious stuff in there, which is useful in archeology.
<gchristensen>
jack[m]: O.o may I know where this is? also: use more space! fix the problems with economy of scale!
<jack[m]>
gchristensen (IRC): intel
<gchristensen>
jack[m]: were you the one doing chip verification?
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] bjornfor pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v1Ao0
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<gilligan_>
hrm.. i am having some problem with /run/keys ;/
<gilligan_>
seems to have correct user & group but i still get Permission denied and can only read contents with root user ;(
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<spacekitteh>
how cna i define a shell environment in my configuration.nix?
<newdan>
How can I use nix-env to install Python 2.6.9? I see the expression at ~/.nix-defexpr/channels/nixpkgs/pkgs/development/interpreters/python/cpython/2.6/default.nix
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<newdan>
But `nix-env -i python-2.6.9` doesn't work, "error: selector ‘python-2.6.9’ matches no derivations"
<jazzencat>
I love it when I mistype things in configuration.nix.
<AtnNn>
newdan: I would try something like `nix-env -qa 'python.*2.*6.*'` or `nox python`
<AtnNn>
newdan: as a last resort, I take a look at `pkgs/top-level/all-packages.nix'
<jazzencat>
Hm, the package for Lumina Desktop exists, but no services.xserver.desktopManager.lumina.enable. Can I still make use of it if I install it through nix-env?