<Cypi>
I'm unclear with something: if I add the unstable channel, then how does NixOs figure out which channels the packages in environment.systemPackages should be taken from?
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<Cypi>
Actually I should reformulate my question: if I have several channels, then what is the content of pkgs in configuration.nix? One of these channels? Everything?
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] offlinehacker opened pull request #21087: kubernetes module: fix default dns ip (master...nixos/kubernetes1/fixdns) https://git.io/v1Kfe
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<buttbutter>
Doing a first install: how should I decide on which packages to install via configuration.nix and which via nix-env?
<simpson>
buttbutter: I think that the recommended style these days is to start with nix-env and graduate to per-user package configuration.
<simpson>
But I don't know.
<buttbutter>
Then what's the point of configuration.nix :C?
<buttbutter>
(For packages)
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<simpson>
buttbutter: For making packages available for *everybody*. It has use cases, but not many for a first-install project.
<buttbutter>
Ah, right.
<buttbutter>
But if you use configuration.nix, then you can easily, say, take your configuration.nix file to a new PC and have the same configuration, right?
<buttbutter>
If you use nix-env that isn't possible...right?
<simpson>
Sure.
<simpson>
It's possible to have a configuration.nix file *per user*, and that combines the best of both approaches.
<buttbutter>
Well I generally only have a root user and a user for myself. So I'm pretty simple. :)
<buttbutter>
But I like being able to easily have the same config across PCs. So for that use case, stick to configuration.nix, right?
<simpson>
Sure.
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<buttbutter>
Okay. Great. Thanks :)
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<buttbutter>
Successful install :D
<buttbutter>
Pretty easy!
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<_habnabit>
i can't find anything on https://nixos.org/wiki/How_to_install_nix_in_home_(on_another_distribution) or by searching about this: does using nix require the packages be under /nix? i.e. this is why everything is in proot or chroot? trying to figure out how to install nix on centos 5, and it has a strange/broken sudo. i guess i could set up /nix before running the nixos.org/nix/install script
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<simpson>
_habnabit: Nix packages tend to have hardcoded paths into /nix/store. Does the curlbash not work on CentOS?
<_habnabit>
it does not, because of the broken sudo
<_habnabit>
its sudo doesn't support flags, somehow
<simpson>
Yikes, that is really broken.
<_habnabit>
is that the only thing that the curlbash does with sudo?
<simpson>
_habnabit: IIRC yes. It sets up /nix and then puts a couple symlinks and stuff into the environment of the original calling user.
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<_habnabit>
okay
<_habnabit>
i'll try it
<_habnabit>
idk if it's my local network or a bad mirror but downloading the nix release is super slow
<_habnabit>
not going above ~150kB/s
<_habnabit>
simpson, looks like that was enough; the installer succeeded
<ashkitten>
I installed adapta-gtk-theme, how can i use it with NixOS? My ~/.gktrc-2.0 isn't being read.
<simpson>
_habnabit: Yay.
<brh>
Anyone have any experience with Adobe Flash in Firefox? I updated my config.nix, ran `nix-env -i firefox`, saw it DL and install the GTalk and Adobe plugins, but I don't see them enabled or displayed in Firefox
<brh>
following the instructions from the wiki
<brh>
w/ Firefox 50.0.2
<brh>
Do I have to do this at the system level instead of the user lvl for NixOS?
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<gchristensen>
hrm. nix-instantiate starting from an openssl rebuild has taken over 15min :?
<gchristensen>
go, little guy ... go
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] vbgl pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v1KOY
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 77050a8 Vincent Laporte: findlib: 1.6.1 -> 1.7.1
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 42a0fc4 Vincent Laporte: ocamlbuild: 0.9.2 -> 0.9.3
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<mckeankylej>
What do you guys do when the haskell nix package set hasnt pulled in the latest version from hackage? I usally end up using fetchgit but this a bother to maintain. Is there a better way to do that?
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<k11`>
How can I use pae linux kernel?
<k11`>
32-bit NixOS
<k11`>
or how can I use 64-bit kernel with 32-bit user-space
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<moet>
soo.. firefox and firefox-esr both are titled "nightly" when i fire them up.. this seems unusual..
<isHavvy>
moet: Nix applies custom patches, so it can't use official Mozilla Firefox branding.
<moet>
ooh.. i see
<moet>
ah, so there's a binary release and a custom-build?
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<moet>
firefox[-esr] are the custom build, and are the firefox[-esr]-unwrapped ones the binary distribution?
<isHavvy>
Well, the patches are needed so that everything is linked into the right place.
<isHavvy>
I'm not sure what the -unwrapped ones are.
<moet>
just poking around in nixpkgs/pkgs/applications/networking/browsers/{firefox/,firefox-bin/}
<moet>
looks like the second is as binary distribution
<moet>
my nixpkgs checkout is probably old
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] Mic92 closed pull request #20935: Add macvlan support for declarative containers (master...container-macvlan) https://git.io/v1BIK
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<AtnNn>
How can the nix manual be installed using nixpkgs?
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<shachaf>
hi AtnNn
<AtnNn>
hey schahaf :D
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<MichaelRaskin>
nix.doc contains manual in share/doc/nix/manual
<MichaelRaskin>
AtnNn: ^
<AtnNn>
thanks!
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<AtnNn>
Is there an easier way to get the path in bash? $(nix-build -E '(import <nixpkgs> {}).nix.doc')
<Rotaerk>
what about nix-instantiate --eval -E
<clever>
Rotaerk: main issue with that one, is that it wont build/download, so if you dont already have it, file not found
<AtnNn>
`nix-instantiate --eval' seems to dump the generated derivation source instead of the output path
<clever>
domenkozar: in the current form, you just upload a tar to a server, put some ssh public keys in /ssh_pubkey, unpack the tar to /, and run /kexec_nixos as root, and it will behave like it had booted from the ISO
<domenkozar>
nice:)
<domenkozar>
it would be interesting to have a feature comparison table between our current solutions
<clever>
domenkozar: in theory, if you have a server with a linux kernel that has kexec enabled, the hoster obeys the MBR, and you have root
<clever>
domenkozar: then nixops can upload that tar, and repartition the drive, and install nixos, in a fully automated manner
<domenkozar>
clever: so how does that compare to nixos-infect? :)
<LnL>
you can't repartition your live system
<clever>
my kexec idea runs entirely from a ramdisk, so the hdd can be umount'd and fully partitioned
<LnL>
I think you can compare it with an iso install, just without any physical media
<clever>
yeah
<domenkozar>
so clever
<clever>
which also means, you dont need physical access
<clever>
domenkozar: with just the addition of a systemd unit, it could automaticaly install a base nixos to the hdd, and reboot into it, leaving you a bare system for nixops to target
<clever>
the idea from nixexpr, is to seperate the AST and the AST->expression stuff into 2 parts, and make nixexpr the main parser in nix
<clever>
so people can reuse the same code nix used, and there is no need to keep the AST stuff in sync
<domenkozar>
yeah that's useful
<clever>
i also looked into options like running a tty over a websocket, so you could jusr run a "real" editor like emacs on the server, and have it render in the browser
<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] the-kenny closed pull request #21083: google-chrome: add new dependency on libxcb (release-16.09...google-chrome-libxcb-16.09) https://git.io/v1oDN
<clever>
but most of the projects for that have a dynamicaly sized terminal emulator, and try to make it longer when you render at the bottom
<clever>
causing it to get stuck in a feedback loop and grow to infinite size
<clever>
and emacs doesnt actualy have an AST
<clever>
for nix
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<gchristensen>
domenkozar: I didn't use nixpart like hetzner b/c that script was basically a scratch-pad remembering what I did :)
<gchristensen>
clever: I got my machine up and running & controlled through nixops successfully, through your tarball.
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<gchristensen>
gosh, kexec is really clever / clean.
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<LnL>
does anybody know why we use --system-libs in the cmake derivation?
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<IITaudio>
Hi, is the profile name (nixos-rebuild switch -p profile-name) known to the configuration itself?
<IITaudio>
I'd like to have a "rt" version of the system based on how I name the profile
<LnL>
I don't think so
<IITaudio>
LnL: but grub knows how to call the entry
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<ashkitten_>
Hey, how can I get Numix Circle icon theme working in NixOS? When I launch thunar it doesn't have any folder icons.
<LnL>
the activation scripts might know about it
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<manveru>
damn, the dota 2 test client segfaults :(
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<IITaudio>
nixos-rebuild calls nix-env, I'm reading its code..
<LnL>
IITaudio: yes, the nixos-rebuild script has a $profile variable but that's only known at runtime so could only be passed to activation scripts
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<schoppenhauer>
hi. currently, whenever I am upgrading, I first run a dry-run to see whether there is anything to upgrade at all, and if so, I upgrade again. I wanted to ask whether there is some flag that only creates a new version of the system directory when there is actually something to update (that is, automating this behavior)
<c0bw3b>
you can use the option system.autoUpgrade.enable in your global configuration.nix
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] moretea opened pull request #21098: Add 'extraQemuOpts' to makeTest (master...vmtest-custom-qemu-opts) https://git.io/v1Kx2
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<gchristensen>
"A particularly egregious bug is present in the EFI driver for Broadcom 4331 wireless chips built into various 2011 and 2012 Macs as it fails to disable the card upon the ExitBootServices() call. As a result, the card causes an interrupt storm and corrupts memory with DMA transfers of received packets. In principle, this can be used for remote code execution over the air. " nice work, apple
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<clever>
gchristensen: why is the wifi even active that early in the boot??
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<gchristensen>
clever: "The EFI firmware on Macs contains a network stack to facilitate downloading macOS recovery images from Apple." :)
<clever>
gchristensen: even then, wait until the user is trying to recover it before you bring the wifi up
<c0bw3b>
looks like a nice covert channel for remote pushing code
<c0bw3b>
^^
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<gchristensen>
no idea, clever
<gchristensen>
I doubt it was intentional / malicious
<clever>
gchristensen: i have heard of a non-apply vendor that did 2 GPU's in a laptop
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<gchristensen>
many do, it is just the mux which is unique
<clever>
gchristensen: they didnt multiplex the video output, they made a framebuffer-less 3d GPU, that renders into the framebuffer memory of a weaker 2d GPU
<gchristensen>
I really wish this computer _didn't_ have a discrete gpu
<gchristensen>
it is very power-hungry
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<clever>
gchristensen: taktoa's laptop has a GPU on the cpu, including the gpu memory, as 128mb? of L4 cache
<clever>
gchristensen: but if the gpu isnt active, then the cpu will benefit from that L4 cache
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<clever>
gchristensen: its insane, because i used to run servers with only 64mb of ram
<gchristensen>
lol
<clever>
gchristensen: and as a random example, i have a not-os image that has a 40mb squashfs, and can function as a nix build slave
<gchristensen>
yeah I know
<clever>
the entire root filesystem could fit on the L4 cache!!
* gchristensen
looks at his box with 256gb of ram
<clever>
in theory, i could rip the bloody ram off the mobo and it wont crash....
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<clever>
gchristensen: that might be enough ram for me to open chrome without it crashing
<gchristensen>
you need to close some tabs
<clever>
chrome segfaulted when i ran out of disk space a few days ago (nix-build and 400mb tars)
<clever>
i havent gotten around to re-opening it
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] LnL7 opened pull request #21099: darwin.stdenv: use cmake without curl to bootstrap clang (master...darwin-stdenv-curl) https://git.io/v16fr
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<rly>
gchristensen: I value the initial idea, but it isn't much more than that. The author shouldn't feel unmotivated just because someone gave an accurate review regarding the quality of the work produced. Taking things too personal isn't a path to progress.
<gchristensen>
and yet, open source is all about emotions and taking things personally... otherwise I wouldn't be contributing.
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<gchristensen>
nor anyone else, really, why put in hours of work to try and make the world a bit better if it wasn't personal / emotionally satisfying?
<gchristensen>
anyway, sorry
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<rly>
gchristensen: many corporations contribute because of expected lower long-term costs and partially marketing reasons.
<rly>
gchristensen: different projects have different mixes of emotional and rational reasons.
<rly>
Most healthy projects have a mixture of both.
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<domenkozar>
LnL: pong
<LnL>
do you have access to hydra?
<domenkozar>
ssh access?
<LnL>
I made a bunch of changes to the darwin stdenv and I was wondering if I could perhaps get a jobset like copumpkins' to test them
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<manveru>
rly: we actually use dockerTools to build our production images...
<rly>
manveru: but you don't base it on e.g. Debian, right?
<manveru>
no
<manveru>
only from scratch
<manveru>
as we talked before, pulling needs to be updated for v2
<rly>
manveru: right, and that works, but the feature "advertised" on his blog (with Debian), doesn't.
<rly>
manveru: it's not about the pulling.
<rly>
manveru: even when you refer to a local tar this also applies.
<manveru>
hm, haven't tried that either :)
<rly>
manveru: so, I'd say half of the features "demonstrated" on his blog don't actually work.
<rly>
manveru: the features which do work are interesting, sure.
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<rly>
manveru: is he on IRC?
<gchristensen>
sometimes
<rly>
What's his nick?
<manveru>
no idea
<gchristensen>
lethalman
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<clever>
gchristensen: and c++ strikes again, one of my pointers is just magicaly turning into 0xcc0000002 after passing thru a few functions
<gchristensen>
well
<gchristensen>
that is why I don't use C/++, I don't trust myself
<clever>
lol
<clever>
gchristensen: the funny part, is that gdb confirms its correct, fairly deep inside the QT library, but it messes up at the last step, as it leaves QT
<gchristensen>
so last night I made a change to openssl, did a `nox-review wip` and it took nix-instantiate 45 minutes before it was ready to actually start building stuff
<clever>
outdoor: -8.75c(16.25f) and its snowing today
<LnL>
holy crap that's cold
<clever>
LnL: thats not cold, it gets to -20c around jan or feb
<gchristensen>
clever: 2c here and .. *looks* not actively snowing, but more to come.
<LnL>
well, we barely get snow anymore
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<clever>
LnL: the snow used to be above my head when i was a kid at the old house
<clever>
i'm still not sure if it was really that deep, or i was just much shorter then :P
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<slack1256>
does libimobiledevice need a special setup?
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<clever>
gchristensen: got a min to look at something?
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<gchristensen>
mmm... not right now, but go ahead and send it?
<clever>
sent in PM
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<NixOS_GitHub>
[nixpkgs] qknight pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v16SG
<NixOS_GitHub>
nixpkgs/master 1f811a6 Joachim Schiele: rustcNightlyBin.rustc: revision bump 2016-11-26 to 2016-12-05 with fix to contain components as libcore
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<newNixos>
fix everything with duct tape
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<xwvvvvwx>
haha ok got it
<newNixos>
systemd == duct tape
<xwvvvvwx>
yah I'm not really into this but I got that systemd was a touchy topic...
<newNixos>
its ok, itll just die when its done its job
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<xwvvvvwx>
:D
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<newNixos>
I just hope nixos doesnt hold on to the sinking long enough to die with it
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<newNixos>
sinking ship*
<newNixos>
not because I care so much about nix, but I hate to learn something that becomes useless
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<newNixos>
to I try to use systemd while spending as little time as possible learning how to use it
<newNixos>
like duct tape
<simpson>
newNixos: Ignorance of tooling does not cause new tooling to magically appear. If you want a better init system, work for it.
* gchristensen
wishes he could go a full week without discussing systemd
<newNixos>
ohh ya, its already happening, im not worried
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<newNixos>
gchristensen: the best way to get there is to not use it ahahha
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<newNixos>
I used void for a while but I came to the conclusion that I just dont care so much about linux, but I can use it for now until better kernels are production ready, but nix as an idea it the future, but itll be rewritten if it clutches too much on to linux. Linux always reminds me of zarathustra (man is a bridge = linux is a bridge)
<viric_>
damn reconnections
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<gchristensen>
you didn't miss anything
<viric_>
it's very annoying
<viric_>
the adsl router is old or something. no idea
<viric_>
sometimes rains make the line snr drop
<gchristensen>
oh fun
<MichaelRaskin>
Erm, that may be not about the router but about the cable state in-between
<gchristensen>
I lived somewhere where the network dropped when the sun came out