<samueldr>
I wasn't sure if it was well-known enough
<samueldr>
I should look and publish a 302 redirect to the github tarball somewhere so I can easily follow on other graphical aarch64 targets too
<ashkitten>
i was mostly joking for ky0ko because we had a conversation that went like this: "help i accidentally started building firefox on my phone" // "accidentally??" // "these things happen..." // "no they don't!!"
<samueldr>
or uh, the official channel if I can figure out a way to map a git revision to an url...
<samueldr>
I assure you, that's the kind of thing that does
<samueldr>
on nix, it does
<ashkitten>
ky0ko has to get with the times. nowadays accidentally building firefox on your phone is considered normal and good practice
<waleee-cl>
how bad is firefox to build on a scale from kernel to libreoffice? Some hand-wavy sources on the interwebs claims that it isn't superbad
<samueldr>
it has some limitations that make it super-annoying to build
<samueldr>
the main one is memory requirements
<samueldr>
it can't build on 32 bit
<ashkitten>
is libreoffice really that bad?
<samueldr>
but I can't compare the build systems, as I only had them done for me through nixpkgs :)
<ashkitten>
i've never tried building libreoffice i guess
<samueldr>
though firefox takes a good while longer than the kernel to build
<waleee-cl>
ashkitten: me neither, I have always aborted when I notice a rebuild of it popping up in the nixos-rebuild output
<waleee-cl>
samueldr: any more details on the exact amount of memory needed?
<samueldr>
sorry, I don't know the details
<samueldr>
it's for linking
<waleee-cl>
ah, ok
<ashkitten>
i've heard something like 32 gigs, but idk
<ashkitten>
that may just be the recommendation
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<srhb>
Hmm, is there not a way to remove old removal message from zpool status? I can clear old errors, but.. can't seem to find a way to clear random status messages.
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<eyJhb>
makefu: forgot everything, weird that it works for you. Time to debug I guess
<makefu>
when you found it then it is not stupid, right?
<eyJhb>
`Apr 24 09:26:58 eos display-manager[1257]: /nix/store/8vhivw9xiwhnfqnav4573s1mrzkwmfbs-lightdm-display-setup: line 4: /nix/store/cn0iz14yrva3vv1z00m6r1yc3q63gb65-fixxmod: Is a directory`
<eyJhb>
Invalid path to my script...
<eyJhb>
In setup commands
<makefu>
aha!
<eyJhb>
I have NO clue, why I thought that -b would also give me the messages form the units
<eyJhb>
Reboot and see! :p - It does however concern me, that I didn't notice my shift didn't work as escape while coding..
<makefu>
:)
<eyJhb>
Thanks makefu , works now :p Everything works as expected, including my three monitors (srk). Now I just need to find the damn button to turn off the light in my keyboard
<makefu>
fn+space
<eyJhb>
makefu: no no, my ergodox-ez one. Btw. have you seen my lovely x230 keyboard after my work on it?
<makefu>
you cleaned it with aceton or with abrasive paper?
<eyJhb>
Knew it! Does it help if I say that I have extras? - Used a small dremel(?) to take most of it off, and then abrasive paper and a little polish
<eyJhb>
(I have around 4 extra keyboards, 3 with backlight, 1 without)
<makefu>
i killed one by accidentally breaking the cable at the back ... the good one with backlight. now i have only one without backlight and without fingerprint reader
<eyJhb>
Better than my brother makefu , he melted one. So I gave him one of mine, so actually only have my original + backup with GB layout...
<eyJhb>
Did you actually use the fingerprint reader? and,, how did it break?
<makefu>
i actually switched the whole laptop to a cheap new one from ebay
<eyJhb>
Chasis?
<makefu>
whole thing
<eyJhb>
MB, RAM, etc.?
<makefu>
now i have an x230 where the keyboard is broken (but it has backlight)
<makefu>
i only put in the extra ram from the old x230
<eyJhb>
Whooo. Docking situation
<makefu>
and ssd
<eyJhb>
+ light :p
<eyJhb>
What did it cost?
<makefu>
the other is still good for docking, yes
<makefu>
i bought it dirt-cheap for 111€
<makefu>
~2 years ago
<makefu>
they now still cost the same it seems on ebay
<eyJhb>
That seems like a good price. No one at my work wants the x230 anymore, so I scored two of them before they got thrown out
<eyJhb>
:D
<makefu>
x230 is the last "good" one of the series (at least it was for the last years)
<makefu>
with ivyrain and an AC wifi card it got even better
<ldlework>
gchristensen: drakonis you guys available for some Go at anypoint this weekend?
<drakonis>
sure
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<infinisil>
@youtube: Is it so hard to keep track of which videos I watched and not recommend them anymore?
<__monty__>
Heh, I never log in and it seems to still keep track.
<MichaelRaskin>
infinisil: maybe people who rewatch the same video over and over click more ads, so they optimise for them?
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<Valodim>
related: @amazon: yes, I bought a washing machine. no, I'm not interested in recommendations for other washing machines I might also enjoy.
<joepie91>
lol
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<joepie91>
Valodim: you can never have enough... washing machines...?
<Valodim>
wonder if it's still like that
<ldlework>
gchristensen: hey you, wanna play a newbie?
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* aanderse
waits for final pc parts to arrive
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<colemickens>
my laptop is so dead but buying a laptop right now seems like a weird decision. :|
<gchristensen>
yup
<__monty__>
colemickens: Otoh, maybe everyone's realizing their current machine's not really good enough for working from home and you better order sooner rather than later?
<gchristensen>
that said, what're you going to get?
<drakonis>
the fancy pants amd laptops are starting to release
<colemickens>
^^
<gchristensen>
ohh?
<colemickens>
Zephyrus G14 is what I have my eye on. Waiting for US availability and a SKU with 16GB soldered on instead of 8GB.
<drakonis>
the newer laptops that come with the 3rd gen ryzens and navi gpus
<colemickens>
8 core, 16 thread 4800HS up to 40GB of RAM, up to RTX 2060 Max Q, good reviews, no webcam, an ~okay 120Hz 1080p or (seemingly unreviewed so far) 60Hz 4K screen.
<colemickens>
and it looks like a relatively modest professional notebook (if you ignore the font on the keyboard, ha)
<samueldr>
at 14" 1080p is plenty fine
<samueldr>
more is almost a waste, much more is a waste
<joepie91>
colemickens: does it have a G A M E R keyboard
<samueldr>
(of power draw, and cpu use)
<samueldr>
joepie91: not as much as you would suspect
<joepie91>
by which I mean questionable fonts with nearly-square glyph shapes
<samueldr>
the g14 has a smart look
<__monty__>
Last time I looked at AMD, compilers took a big hit in performance. Is that still the case?
<colemickens>
I've been rocking hidpi on 14" for the last ... jeez, been a while since the first Chromebook Pixel, but if the laptop is going to have a GPU in it, I'm going to want to use it and mobile GPU + hidpi doesn't make sense.
<samueldr>
yes, part of the gamer lineup, but looks much less a transformer accident
<colemickens>
samueldr: I think its confirmed thats only the 4k model. makes it heavier too, so silly.
<drakonis>
ryzen 9, woah dude.
<gchristensen>
okay that LED thing is pretty cool
<drakonis>
they got the goods
<samueldr>
colemickens: bummer
<samueldr>
considering 120hz is probably what gamers actually want, more than 4k
<drakonis>
the display section is funny, it has a faux moba
<drakonis>
did they not want to pay anyone to actually put games people will play with it?
<drakonis>
who the hell buys a laptop with this kind of hardware to play league of legends
<samueldr>
less red tape to deal with
<samueldr>
if you don't have an actual game
<colemickens>
That, and I sort of question sending a review unit to folks that are only going to test a relatively old kernel and not at least try mainline or a rolling release distro on it.
<colemickens>
not that I follow amd/kernel closely enough to know if a newer kernel would've done better on it.
<drakonis>
its a top tier ryzen that requires the lastest kernel to have working graphics
<colemickens>
I guess I should've said, Ars said Linux on the G14 is rough (read: unusable) right now.
<cole-h>
Only slightly disappointed in your choice of processor...
<aanderse>
should i mount /nix onto ssd or a sata drive?
<aanderse>
i have 1TB ssd and 2TB sata
<aanderse>
trying to decide on partitioning
<aanderse>
need about ~400GB on ssd for games
<aanderse>
lego games take a ton of space :P
<cole-h>
In that vein: I can't wait for the Skywalker Saga lego game
<tilpner>
aanderse: SSD for /nix
<cole-h>
I loved the original games as a kid, so I can't wait to play them again, and the new ones.
<tilpner>
Unless your workflow somehow requires giant closures
<aanderse>
tilpner: if i run nixos-rebuild all the time is that going to make my ssd cry?
<tilpner>
No, you should be fine
<tilpner>
™
<aanderse>
cole-h: my boys love them, so its a great way to game together :D
<aanderse>
tilpner: ha ha ha thanks for advice
<cole-h>
Wanna adopt me? I'll play them with you :P
<gchristensen>
lol
<aanderse>
planning to follow advice from gchristensen on wiping root on bootup :)
<tilpner>
aanderse: AFAIK the "must avoid writes on SSD" wisdom applied to early models, not so much current ones
<aanderse>
going to use tmpfs instead of zfs snapshot though
<tilpner>
aanderse: You can look up how much written data the manufacturer believes your device can handle
<drakonis>
the write tolerance for ssds is astoundingly high
<aanderse>
tilpner: good to know. i haven't followed the hardware scene in a number of years... busy playing lego with the kids
<drakonis>
you'd have to write terabytes of data per day to actually kill it
<aanderse>
heh
<tilpner>
The Intel SSD in my laptop is rated for 2.9PB over its lifetime
<drakonis>
quite a lot
<tilpner>
So even if I only get half that, it should still take quite a while
<aanderse>
cole-h: not doing adoptions at this time, sorry :(
<tilpner>
And if it fails, it'll have been worth its investment in the time it saved me from waiting on IO
<cole-h>
:'(
<tilpner>
aanderse: Are you sure about tmpfs? That sounds like it might eat a lot of memory for performance in a place where you don't need it
<aanderse>
well / doesn't hold much...
<aanderse>
i figure it can't be any bigger than a couple gigs
<aanderse>
2-4?
<gchristensen>
mine is 350M
<MichaelRaskin>
Make /etc a store symlink, and I guess you can go quite a bit lower
<gchristensen>
230M of that is clamav which I still have enabled for some reason
<gchristensen>
another 70MiB is coredumps from obs, and pretty much all the rest is systemd logs
<MichaelRaskin>
Wait, you do not have a separate partition for logs?
<gchristensen>
no
<MichaelRaskin>
Log rollback on boot sounds… a frustration waiting to happen
<aanderse>
tilpner: yeah i took a look and didn't see much disk usage on / aside from stuff like /nix, /home, and a few others i'd be mounting elsewhere
<gchristensen>
MichaelRaskin: haha, yes, there have been such frustrations :P
<aanderse>
hmm
<tilpner>
aanderse: Okay, if you make sure to mount everything large explicitly
* aanderse
makes note to mount /var/log onto the ssd
<aanderse>
tilpner: yup, big time
<aanderse>
everything large is persistent, so should just work out
<tilpner>
Well, now you have to make it persistent
<tilpner>
By resetting a filesystem, you have the option not to
<aanderse>
iunno, sounded like a fun thing to try after reading blog post
<aanderse>
:)
<tilpner>
Oh it does, I'm still not brave enough though, so I can only speculate
<aanderse>
well i have reasonable backups, so hopefully smooth sailing
<MichaelRaskin>
This also applies to «is SSD reliable enough»!
<aanderse>
also new machine
<aanderse>
so i'll be sure to reboot a bunch before switching off the old machine it replaces
<tilpner>
Ahh, a new system would make it less risky
<gchristensen>
anyway, cool tip joepie91 :) out here not such a problem. more a problem with bigger animals eating it
<gchristensen>
like deer.
<joepie91>
gchristensen: bigger skewers? :P
<joepie91>
more seriously, no deer here thankfully
<joepie91>
not wild anyway
<Valodim>
you have domesticated deer?
<joepie91>
Valodim: fallow deer are fairly common in parks and "petting zoos" (minus the petting, this doesn't translate very well)
<joepie91>
in NL
<joepie91>
with "parks" I mean fenced-off areas, to be clear
<joepie91>
there are also some nature areas with wild deer
<abathur>
I have been wondering if the macOS catalina system/user volume split makes something like graham's setup possible there too
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<viric>
MichaelRaskin: how do you like the Discourse software?
<viric>
or more broadly. Are you all happy about Discourse?
<MichaelRaskin>
Discourse has some nice properties compared to Google groups, like rendering something reasonable without JS
<genevino>
hi my name is armin and i have a new favourite terminal colour scheme - its name is "Hardcore" (quite fitting as the colour choices are pretty neon-ish). have a good day.
<MichaelRaskin>
viric: also, it is not literally by Google
<MichaelRaskin>
That might exhaust the list of its good sides, though…
<viric>
MichaelRaskin: ah good. I saw it gives quite a report for users there. That's probably the trend, rising a profile.
<viric>
I'm not sure I know what google groups are, though.
<MichaelRaskin>
Google hosts something generally pretty closely resembling a mailing list service
<viric>
Ah then I know what it is
<gchristensen>
it is terrible, though
<viric>
I have my contributions to nixpkgs so rusted...
<viric>
I completely forgot how release branches and master are related
<viric>
Should I PR to one or the other? Then cherry-pick to one or the other? Or for a trivial version update no need for PR?
<joepie91>
viric: afaik PR to master, then make separate backport PRs if needed for release branches
<joepie91>
which are cherry-picked
<viric>
ok
<viric>
so contributors run things in both master (for what they propose) and release branches (for the regular OS) I guess
<MichaelRaskin>
A lot of people run unstable
<MichaelRaskin>
Unlike the times you remember, unstable is not strictly more stable than the release
<samueldr>
unstable is more about the guarantees of software versions
<samueldr>
they will update as it happens
<MichaelRaskin>
samueldr: in the old days, the first few releases of NixOS were buggier than the average state of master
<samueldr>
MichaelRaskin: let's add a "now" somehwere in my previous sentence :)
<samueldr>
oh, you said the inverse of what I read
<samueldr>
heh
<MichaelRaskin>
I just explained what old story I was referring to.
<colemickens>
"If you do partition the disk, make sure you set the disk’s scheduler to none. ZFS takes this step automatically if it does control the entire disk." wait why
<cole-h>
Firefox, please fix your popups (again) please
<gchristensen>
which part, cole-h
<gchristensen>
colemickens:
<ornxka>
well, looks like the switch to firefoxi s happening earlier than i anticipated
<ornxka>
i couldnt get chromium to compile for 32 bit so i just installed firefox-bin :p
<cole-h>
:)
<cole-h>
It's 88 degrees outside, please help
<colemickens>
gchristensen: it's hard to find much info on what that does. I don't know what a disk scheduler is, or why it's something I'd uniquely need to do in ZFS. Googling hasn't turned up a ton either?
<gchristensen>
colemickens: are you installing to nvme?
<colemickens>
also, seems like it might be an option one wants to apply per-disk, instead of kernel-wide?
<colemickens>
in this case, I am, yes.
<gchristensen>
then don't worry, your scheduler is noop :P
<colemickens>
but on some of my zfs machines I'm not on nvme likely.
<gchristensen>
I should just delete that bit.
<samueldr>
cole-h: impossible, the human body temperature is around 37 something degrees!
<samueldr>
you wouldn't survive for long outside!
<abathur>
cole-h: sounds like houston, today
<cole-h>
abathur: Close. ~Sac, CA
<cole-h>
samueldr: I don't even feel like I'm surviving right now
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<joepie91>
lol
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<clever>
gchristensen: have you heard about the mess of SMR and WD drives?
<gchristensen>
yeah, what a disaster!
<clever>
my drive model is in the original ticket, but further information says it isnt SMR
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<gchristensen>
clever: ohwow, lucky
<clever>
gchristensen: oh, and i found a trick to make hydra perform faster
<clever>
+ systemd.services.hydra-evaluator = {
<clever>
+ environment.TMPDIR = "/dev/shm";
<clever>
gchristensen: this causes the git clones to wind up in a tmpfs, instead of on-disk
<clever>
the evaluator copies it from a bare .git, to $TMPDIR, then to /nix/store
<clever>
and that $TMPDIR in the middle, was a performance cost for me
<gchristensen>
wow
<gchristensen>
nice!
<clever>
but the diskio being so crap, might have just been due to dedup being on
<colemickens>
If I limit a google search to a "week" of results, I get spam results almost every single time. It's been like this for months. "raspberry pi 4 hevc" (week) returns almost exclusively completely spam laden results.
<colemickens>
absurd
<clever>
and / is also snapshotted, so the temp files keep getting caught up and saved
<colemickens>
there's some new spam method where forum|github comments are being replicated into hacked blogs and google absolutely doesn't seem to handle it