<pie__>
i dont like that it seems to be eating everything,
<infinisil>
(Loving that song)
<pie__>
and the breakage people mention.
<ldlework>
I don't know what is even meant by eating everything
<ldlework>
or what breakage a process manager can cause
<ldlework>
I'm not skeptical, just ignorant
<pie__>
sure you need time to develop good reliable software, but then it shouldnt have fucking been made a core system component in 3 years if it is such a large component
<pie__>
im both skeptical and ignorant
<ldlework>
haha
<ldlework>
there's so much rhetoric in tech, its dumb
<maurer>
TBH, while NixOS as it stands is tightly bound to systemd, I think the nixos separation of modules from packages means that a switch to another init system would probably be easier than in another design
<maurer>
It'd still be a massive pain though
<maurer>
And I think the slnos repos are still sekrit or something?
<pie__>
also would like the init/whatever abstraction layer already so poritng to openbsd is more feasible :P (disregarding all the linux features nixos probably depends on xD)
<pie__>
maurer, do they exist/
<pie__>
?
<pie__>
i hope they do
<ldlework>
I wonder
<pie__>
wait
<pie__>
that sounds too close to slaneesh
* pie__
gets out space marine suit
<pie__>
HERESY
<pie__>
I SMELL
<sir_guy_carleton>
maurer: maybe i shouldn't bring up, but iirc, guixsd is based off nixos and it doesn't have systemd, so making a nixos without systemd seems completely possible
<sir_guy_carleton>
i'm guessing it would easiest to have be seperate from nixos and nixpkgs, however
<pie__>
i havent looked into guix much, inferring *only* from a little bit of information (i.e. this could all be wrong), doesnt guix more try to follow the nix philosophy than any sort of parallel implementation?
<pie__>
does it actually support the nix language?
<pie__>
i know they use guile scheme
<simpson>
I hear that they have Nix-to-Guix tools.
<pie__>
that makes sense
<pie__>
not using nix lang would imply no access to nixpkgs and the like
<samueldr>
> When a working installation of the Nix package manager is available, you can instead configure Guix with --disable-daemon. In that case, Nix replaces the three dependencies above.
<{^_^}>
error: syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ')', at (string):150:68
<samueldr>
interesting
<samueldr>
> Guix is compatible with Nix, so it is possible to share the same store between both.
<{^_^}>
error: syntax error, unexpected WITH, expecting ')', at (string):150:20
<maurer>
sir_guy_carleton: and while they can use some of nixpkgs (I think?) I don't think they can use nixos modules at all
<pie__>
inb4 instability is just an excuse to hate systemd specifically :P
<pie__>
"Building with GHCJS" wait what
<sir_guy_carleton>
maurer: okay, i was just making point that a systemd-free nix-ified distro is quite possible; you could use old sysV init, runnit, etc instead
<sir_guy_carleton>
not that would be easy
<infinisil>
pie__: Have used hnix before :D
<pie__>
oh hm, having read their nix-store project repo read me it seems to be just a front-end thing though, not for the nix backend
<infinisil>
Parser, evaluator, and similar things, yeah
<infinisil>
Oh god, I hate this. In a youtube video sponsored by nordvpn, they sell it as "The Worlds Most Advanced Military-Grade VPN - Security With Almost No Impact On Speed"
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<joepie91>
the VPN business is awful
<joepie91>
it's absolutely chock full of dubious marketing and outright scams
<joepie91>
not to mention that nearly every VPN service is set up incorrectly, with security consequences
<joepie91>
which... isn't that surprising, if you consider it's a super-lucrative business that takes almost no skill to run profitably, because all the important parts aren't visible or easily auditable
<joepie91>
a bit like reseller hosting
<joepie91>
and affiliate marketing through 'top lists'
<joepie91>
and all those other sketchy industries which seem to be comprised almost exclusively of scumbags
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<pie__>
we should get rich off vpn then work on benefiting humanity
<pie__>
joepie91, ^
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<samueldr>
the pie pals vpn?
<samueldr>
won't stick and paypal may not like the name
<samueldr>
:)
<pie__>
hah
<pie__>
what is this, vpn for 10 year olds? xD
<samueldr>
what, I don't want military VPNs, I want safe cuddly VPNs ;)