<gchristensen>
I'm glad to hear it, sphalerite, thank you
<pie_>
"Mackintosh building restoration was nearly finished after smaller 2014 blaze" ugh geez xD
<sphalerite>
yeah…
<pie_>
that building is totally wrecked
* pie_
looks at picture
<sphalerite>
I suppose it's lucky it happened the day after student graduations and not the before
<sphalerite>
yeah, I've got a good view of it from my window. Looks like a complete loss
<pie_>
"Its most famous feature was its library, which housed many rare and archival materials as well as original furniture and fittings, and was gutted by the first fire." fuckkkkkkkk
<pie_>
hope that shit was digitized and archived offsite, but yknow, yeah right,
<pie_>
.
<pie_>
"The report also noted that a sprinkler system, designed to enhance existing fire protection measures, was in the latter stages of installation at the time of the fire, but was not yet operational. " oh irony
<pie_>
ah thats at the first fire. somewhat ambiguous wording
<pie_>
" It is not known whether any similar system had been installed yet in the latest restoration."
<JasonGrossman>
Oh dear. :-(
<sphalerite>
My guess based on the development of the fire is either "no" or "yes, but not a very effective one"
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<gchristensen>
how does anyone trust secrets in a public CI pipeline
<gchristensen>
like ok you can encrypt them, cool, fine. even better, most will detect a leaked secret and *** it out
<gchristensen>
but if anyone can send a PR and echo $secret | rev, or echo $secret | base64
<LnL>
is "I don't" a valid answer?
<gchristensen>
but some people do :$
<LnL>
the only model that's somewhat sane is something like read tokens in vault
<LnL>
but that only works with indirect access and doesn't necessarily prevent access
<LnL>
just enables detecting it
<gchristensen>
yea
<gchristensen>
LnL: mind sending me a test PR in a few minutes?
<LnL>
sure
* gchristensen
does various dances to make things work
<gchristensen>
why is this great? you don't have to suffer through yaml/json/whatever
<gchristensen>
you can write your definition in whatever lang, write it to disk, then upload the job. that is cool!
<LnL>
gchristensen: I can't see the build results
<andi->
gchristensen: I guess most people just configure secrets outside of the pro (e.g. on travis just for master branch). Only if someone is dumb enough to merge it there will be a leak...
<andi->
but yeah.. I wouldn't put any secrets there..
<gchristensen>
fwiw I don't _think_ there are any secrets in the env if I were to actually run your PR through .... but there is one env var I don't know about, BUILDKITE_AGENT_ACCESS_TOKEN
<infinisil>
ldlework: can't currently watch that, what is it?
<LnL>
right
<gchristensen>
anyway, this is satisfactory enough for me to go ahead and add some real secrets to this env for testing various things which need secrets, but would also benefit from a public process for PR testing
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<LnL>
have you used vault?
<gchristensen>
yeah! I like it a lot
<LnL>
nice, me too
<LnL>
don't like it's cli tho
<gchristensen>
no :)
<ldlework>
infinisil: it is Nadishana, a performer from Paris who can play any instrument, even one's that don't exist and he just made up himself.
<ldlework>
He's playing a Futujara which is like a hybrid fujara made from PVC.
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<sphalerit>
joepie91: I find traffic management stuff fascinating. I don't really know much about it at all, but one thing I noticed is that one of the buildings at my uni has an interesting setup with the staircases. There's a sort of lobby on every floor where you get to the 4 elevators, and the door to a staircase. But there are 2 staircases, and the ground floor elevator lobby door connects to a different staircase from all the
<sphalerit>
others
<sphalerit>
Leading to there being one "up-dominant" and one "down-dominant" staircase
<sphalerit>
Hope that message was short enough for the matrix bridge not to mangle it -_-
<sphalerite>
yay it didn't
<sphalerite>
huh, it actually split it. I think that's a new behaviour.
<joepie91>
sphalerite: a similar hack seems to have been applied here; most of the city center is one-way traffic
<joepie91>
very frustrating if you take a wrong turn, but it works very well
<sphalerite>
with a grid and alternating directions?
<joepie91>
sphalerite: how do you mean?
<sphalerite>
a grid of roads, where from east to west you have one going north, one going south, one going north, etc
<sphalerite>
and vice versa
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<joepie91>
sphalerite: ah, well, this is NL, so there's not so much a grid of anything here, but they do seem to alternate directions, yes
<sphalerite>
Glasgow has something that seems to be based around that core pattern, except with loads and loads of exceptions
<sphalerite>
the city centre that is
<joepie91>
never quite realized that it was alternating :D
<sphalerite>
actually it's mostly made of exceptions. Never mind. :p
<joepie91>
haha
<sphalerite>
well it makes sense. That way if you're going the wrong direction you only need to go one block orthogonal to the direction you've been travelling in to fix it
<joepie91>
sphalerite: makes me wonder where the problem comes from with people having to circle around the entire city if they miss a turn
<joepie91>
this is, like, a universal complaint about this city :)
<sphalerite>
heh
<joepie91>
"I took a wrong turn and I had to drive around for 30 minutes to find my way back!"
<sphalerite>
well to me it just looks complicated and confusing
<sphalerite>
(I also don't drive, so I'm only used to being able to go in only one direction when cycling. And I don't do that very much over here because I don't have a bike (had one, got stolen 3 weeks after I got it) and because there's not much of a cycle network here
<sphalerite>
oh and cycle paths are often two-way even on roads that are one-way for cars, aren't they?
<samueldr>
that's probably country and city dependent :)
<samueldr>
here when there are actual paths, they are two-ways, but more often than not, in the one-ways in the older part of the city there are no paths
<samueldr>
so one-way cycling, even though most cyclists will run the wrong way :/
<joepie91>
sphalerite: we don't really have cycle paths in most of the city center, and roadside cycling is always two-way in NL I think
<joepie91>
no matter whether the road is one-way
<joepie91>
either that or nobody gives a damn
<sphalerite>
a place in NL with few cycle paths?? :o
<joepie91>
sure, pretty common in city centers and residential neighbourhoods
<joepie91>
ie. low-speed streets
<joepie91>
cycle paths are only common on higher-speed streets; central traffic arteries, roads between towns, etc.
<joepie91>
there's neither a point nor space for them on low-speed streets
<joepie91>
note how if you turn left, there's a cycle path; but if you go straight ahead and you move further into the city center, onto low-speed streets, the cycle path terminates
<sphalerite>
fair enough.
<sphalerite>
And I guess motorists are very used to and accommodating towards cyclists
<joepie91>
yeahj
<joepie91>
yeah*
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