<JasonGrossman>
I don't understand how I can see your ZeroNet site! According to Wikipedia I should need a ZeroNet client.
<JasonGrossman>
I'm using qutebrowser, which is based on Chrome, on NixOS. Maybe there's a built-in client?
<JasonGrossman>
Ooh I like this bit.
<yurb>
JasonGrossman: You're viewing it through a public zeronet proxy.
<JasonGrossman>
Ah!
<yurb>
I'd like to see more proxies with more transparency on who runs them, etc., but for now that one kind of works.
<JasonGrossman>
I really hope one of these distributed systems gets critical mass so we don't need proxies.
<yurb>
Yep, that'd be great. Also things like WebTorrent and JavaScript/WebAssembly implementations of these systems might solve the problem.
<JasonGrossman>
I like this bit too.
<JasonGrossman>
Oh, yes, good idea.
<yurb>
Recently also Mozilla started discussing integrating Tor inside Firefox, which is an interesting move.
<JasonGrossman>
Very!
<JasonGrossman>
I have trouble convincing most people about how important this is ... which I find weird, because *whatever* your political opinions I'd have thought you'd see the need to have political activism, and we're going to lose it without this sort of technology, right?
<__monty__>
How does zeronet differ from ipfs?
<yurb>
__monty__: for me the main difference is that it supports Tor out of the box, so it can be anonymous
<yurb>
I'm not sure though if ipfs hasn't added tor support recently
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<yurb>
JasonGrossman: I think part of the problem is that for people who don't spend time thinking about technology a lot on their own, i.e., it's not part of their interests, - they don't have the sufficient picture of it to see a problem.
<yurb>
for many of them, Facebook is just a tool.
<yurb>
Google is just a tool.
<JasonGrossman>
yurb: Yes. It's not in their interests, but it is in their interest (in the other sense).
<yurb>
JasonGrossman: Yes, also of course there is constant media narrative that is often influenced by the powerful companies like Facebook, which kind of dictates a certain way of thinking - often consumerist thinking
<JasonGrossman>
:-(
<yurb>
That's why I think it's important to have organizations like EFF or panoptykon.org
<yurb>
who can at least to an extent influence the narrative to include more user-centered arguments
<yurb>
Actually things like the Cambrige Analytica scandal are interesting - they kind of made it mainstream to question Facebook
<JasonGrossman>
I don't know panoptykon. I'll look them up. I support EFF.
<JasonGrossman>
yurb: Yes, that scandal was great!
<yurb>
panoptykon are in Poland, but they do a lot on the EU level as well, for instance they were working on GDPR
<yurb>
well, it's kind of a controversial but very widely used term
<yurb>
"intelligent dance music"
<manveru>
WP says there's also intelligent dance music
<manveru>
never heard of that :)
<yurb>
but the meaning kind of drifted from the definition
<yurb>
(or usage)
<manveru>
> The term "intelligent dance music" has been widely criticised and rejected by artists associated with the style, including Aphex Twin and µ-Ziq, as elitist and derogatory towards other genres. The term is said to have originated in the US in 1993 with the formation of the "IDM list", an electronic mailing list originally chartered for the discussion of a number of prominent English artists appearing on the 1992 Warp
<manveru>
compilation Artificial Intelligence. In 2014, music critic Sasha Frere-Jones observed that the term "is widely reviled but still commonly used".
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<JasonGrossman>
Driften to what?
<yurb>
I'd say it's not necessarily intelligent or dance:)
<yurb>
Usually IDM has some rhythmic pattern, but it kind of has to pay more attention to sound, timbre, than just dance music
<JasonGrossman>
More variety of timbre?
<manveru>
looks like there's no zeronet package :(
<yurb>
JasonGrossman: let's say timbre and other things are just as importart as rhythm, they tell an important part of the story
<JasonGrossman>
OK, cool.
<JasonGrossman>
Well I don't like it when your pieces finish, so I guess that's a compliment!
<yurb>
JasonGrossman: thanks :)
<JasonGrossman>
No, thank you!
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<JasonGrossman>
yurb: Fortunately, "Above water" finished just as I needed to take my headphones off to do a job. Otherwise I'd have been stuck here all day with the music on repeat.
<yurb>
That's a nice compliment to hear, thanks:)
<JasonGrossman>
:-)
<JasonGrossman>
I might just be saying it's hypnotic though!