gchristensen changed the topic of #nixos-chat to: NixOS but much less topical || https://logs.nix.samueldr.com/nixos-chat
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<MichaelRaskin> LnL: Common Lisp is definitely used in production. Scheme — in form of Guile — is the default scripting system of some GNU applications, so it is also sometimes used in released things.
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<LnL> I know, never said it's a dead language
<LnL> there's also closure
<MichaelRaskin> clojure
<MichaelRaskin> For minimum confusion, we in Lisp land have projects called Clojure, Clozure and Closure, but the last one is marginal
<MichaelRaskin> I would say that Lisp doesn't support you well if you try to scale the team without proper onboarding. If, on the other hand, your team is guaranteed to be small for other reasons, it is very nice for keeping track of complicated systems.
<LnL> err typo
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<gchristensen> I've been up almost 24hrs and have at least 6hrs until I can go to bed ... :|
<MichaelRaskin> You couldn't sleep on transatlantic? Unfortunate…
<gchristensen> I can't seem to lean back far enough to sleep... not enough practice maybe.
<MichaelRaskin> I never lean back at all; in window seats I am still almost comfortable, in other seats… well, it is doable
<gchristensen> same w.r.t. window. got an aisle though.
<MichaelRaskin> Middle is the most complicated. With aisle I would turn slightly towards the pass, then adapt to however the seat is structured
<MichaelRaskin> But that requires that the body agrees with the mind about not giving a damn
<yurb> A dumb question, but... how is compiling a compiler is represented in a source-based system like nix?
<yurb> i.e., one needs a working gcc to build gcc
<yurb> so gcc then depends on itself recursively or ...?
<gchristensen> we have binary tarballs for bootstrapping, but the tarballs were built by nix using a previously bootstrappede systetm
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<jD91mZM2> note: currently hard linking saves 73.04 MiB
<jD91mZM2> 3665 store paths deleted, 34049.92 MiB freed
<jD91mZM2> My disk was full and now after a GC only 48% is used
<infinisil> You only have a 64GB disk? :o
<jD91mZM2> My root is only 80GB
<jD91mZM2> My home is bigger though, like 300GB. I underestimated the amount of files you'd need in root
<jD91mZM2> I used to only have 30GB back in Arch, then resized it to 40GB and finally 80GB
<Jason_Grossman> Ditto.
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<infinisil> Whoa, I just realized that there's both "quiet" and "quite"
<infinisil> I've only been using the former one for both meanings
<samueldr> now, look at the definition of quite :/
<samueldr> it apparently has a different meaning regionally
<samueldr> to the utmost or most absolute extent or degree; absolutely; completely.
<samueldr> to a certain or fairly significant extent or degree; fairly.
<samueldr> (that's 1 and 2 from `define:quite` in google)
<samueldr> so it's a synonym for both "totally" and "somewhat", while those aren't
<MichaelRaskin> I am not sure it is regional, I would expect that to be contextual
<samueldr> yeah, I should have suffixed [citation needed]
<samueldr> when I read about that they^[who?] said that it was regional
<samueldr> » Whether you quite agree with that will depend on which variety of English you’re most comfortable with; Americans and Brits don’t quite agree on what quite means. The usage note in the Macmillan Dictionary puts it this way:
<samueldr> » » In British English quite usually means ‘fairly’: The film was quite enjoyable, although some of the acting was weak. When American speakers say quite, they usually mean ‘very’: We’ve examined the figures quite thoroughly. Speakers of British English sometimes use quite to mean ‘very’, but only before words with an extreme meaning: The whole experience was quite amazing.
<infinisil> I noticed this while doing some typing speed tests, and continuously misspelling "quiet"
<infinisil> If anybody wants to have a go :P https://www.keyhero.com/free-typing-test/
<gchristensen> when not crippled I can reach 130 wpm... nowadays much slower.
<samueldr> I have copying quotes :/
<samueldr> oops, hate*
<infinisil> gchristensen: Damn, that's pretty fast, I'm at about 100
<samueldr> hah!
<samueldr> I broke it
<samueldr> seems that ctrl-backspace a word isn't supported
<samueldr> reproducible, so incompatible with how I write :)
<infinisil> Congrats I guess :3
<samueldr> though, those tests I always feel like I can't manage reading the text while writing, and they penalize for reading it first
<infinisil> If you want something more stressful: https://www.typing.com/student/games/play/ztype
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<samueldr> those I really like
<infinisil> My record is getting to round 20 with that one
<samueldr> I was surprised by the ships that spew random~ish letters
<infinisil> There's also a bomb you can use with space, didn't find that out for a while
<infinisil> figure*
<samueldr> proof that "for now" tends to become "forever"
<infinisil> 9 years is pretty insignificant on a galactic level yo!
<samueldr> who are you calling a galaxy?
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<sphalerite> samueldr: I use both meanings of quite, and I think I set the cases apart with intonation
<sphalerite> I'd probably render it with *s in text
<sphalerite> so quite is somewhat, while *quite* is very
<MichaelRaskin> They are also separated by contextual markers — quite a bit doesn't fit the absolutist meaning; and quite true seems to mean the same in both interpretations, the only difference being speaker temperament
<sphalerite> I think the latter case sort of evolved from somewhat ironic use of the word?
<MichaelRaskin> And ironic is probably much more a stereotypical-English than stereotypical-US trait…
<samueldr> :) I didn't really need an overview, just dropped that tidbit
<samueldr> I find languages fascinating
<samueldr> no wonders it's hard to get subtleties for a second or third speaking language
<MichaelRaskin> I think this channel in general is not for the case where people truly need some information?
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